Our Guest Donna Schambach

DONNA: Sit down a few minutes. Now you’re going to find a little bit how old school I am because I believe there’s a secret hidden right here in chapter 1 of 1st Samuel that we need to get back to as a Church. Because not only did Hannah go to the house of God, but the Bible says that she began to pour out her heart to the Lord in prayer. Darling, this is a lost art in the Church of Jesus Christ! We have become a thumb-oriented group of people! We want instant answers to our deepest questions. We want miracles that come through the internet. And they can come that way. But I’m going to tell you if we want to see God move on this generation there’s no exchange for getting’ on our faces before God! There’s no exchange for time spent in the presence of the Lord! And I believe that this is part of the reason why we’ve suffered and we’ve seen backslidden children, children that are having babies out of wedlock and they’re getting hung up on drugs. It’s because parents have looked to the ministry gifts to be all the answers! I remember when I had a Christian school. There were some parents that wanted to just drop their kids off and have me magically infuse them with Christian values and they’d just go off scot-free! And I’d say Hey! I can only reinforce what you’re teaching in the home! If you’re not teaching it and living it before the kids there’s not one thing I can do!




DONNA: And it’s the same thing with prayer! You know a prayer is our communication with the throne! That’s how we get access to all those things that God wants to give to us. And the Word of God reveals something. When Hannah began to pray something happened to her prayer! I want you to see the change that happened. She went from saying Oh God, I’m barren. Oh God, I’m so sad. Oh God, You’ve forsaken me. Oh God, I just want a kid! Oh God, I’m so embarrassed! O God, me, me, me, me, me, my, my, my, my, my. I want, I want, I want, I need, I need, I need!




DONNA: Where a lot of Christians that’s where they end their prayer! But while she was on her face, while she was in travail, while she was in that place where she would not be denied suddenly her prayer changed and she said God, if You’ll give me a son, I’ll give him to You. And God said That’s it!




DONNA: That’s what I was waiting for! I just wanted permission. I wanted you to release him to me. I’ve got an agenda for this generation! I’ve got a plan and I needed a holy woman of God that would know how to pray, know how to connect with me, and know how to submit her will to My will! That’s why you’ve been barren, Hannah. Not because you’re backslidden but because you’re holy and you know how to pray! Hallelujah! Some of you don’t know how close you are to your miracle!




DONNA: You’re one prayer meeting away, one prayer meeting away from your miracle! Stop looking to everybody else to give it to you! Just get on your face. Now let me show you proof of this. I’m going to read from chapter 2 where God said it. Now you have to read this in your personal time, in your own devotions because the first four chapters gives a real clear description about what was going on in the church, I mean in the nation of Israel. The Bible says that there was no widespread revelation. That Eli’s eyes were going dim and I believe that’s in the spiritual too. But God still had a plan. He was waiting on Hannah to pray because in verse 35 of chapter 2 He says this: Then I will raise up for Myself a faithful priest who shall do according to what is in My heart and in My mind. I will build him a sure house and he shall walk before My anointed forever. You see unfortunately there’s been a subtle twist to the Gospel where we feel like the world is waiting on our ministry gift. You know we’re God’s next great answer to the world but what God’s waiting for are men and women of God who are willing to say God, wherever You send me I’ll go! Whatever you want me to do, I’ll do it, God! I want to do what’s in Your heart! I’ve got a lot of things in my mind, things I think should be done a certain way. But God I want only what You want because when I’m in alignment with You all of my needs are met!




DONNA: Isn’t that what the Word says? Before I even called He’ll answer me? Heh! I don’t even have to tell Him what I need. All I have to say is Lord, Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven! Amen?




DONNA: You see this is what Hannah found the secret and it was in that praying through. And we used to have that expression in the church. You know the mothers of the church always knew how to pray through. Sometimes it was a three-day fast. Sometimes it was two hours in the prayer closet, right?




DONNA: And I used to try to find a scripture for what it means to pray through and I think Hannah is about the closest I could find to it. But I don’t have to have a scripture for it. I just know when I have! Amen? And I believe this is where God’s getting the Church so that He can raise up for this generation leaders that will do everything that is in His heart! I have a pastor, a minister friend who’s an evangelist, he’s a very close friend of mine, and God has given him a mighty healing ministry. And he told me this story in private. He said Donna, when I first started out in ministry you know he said I was being invited to big churches and he said I was young. He was 16, 17, 18 years of age and God was giving him great miracles. And he was in South Bend Indiana and he was actually preaching at Lester Sumrall’s church that weekend but somebody had invited him to come to a church in the area and I think it was on a Wednesday night. And when he got to the church on Wednesday night there was only a handful of people there. Maybe 12, 13, 15 people and he got mad. He got cocky. He says why in the world am I in this church? I’m packing them in by the thousands over at the big church! Why’d you send me here, God? I’m not going to get much of an offering here tonight.




DONNA: Now he, you know this is pretty humbling for him to be telling me this but he told me with tears in his eyes that when he got back to the room Jesus met him in the room.




DONNA: And he said I didn’t see Him but I felt His presence and I saw the light come into my room and the Lord said to me If that small group of people is not too small for me to show up, who are you?




DONNA: Huh! See Jesus isn’t necessarily looking for the crowd. He’s looking for faith! And Church this is what we have to do. We have to get back to the place where we’re going to believe God for a change not only in our life but a change in our generation! How many of you know this generation needs it?




DONNA: You know we spend so much time looking at the news and trying to decide who’s the next president that’s going to be, that’s going to make us great again. I’m going to tell you. No man, no woman ever going to change this nation! There’s only One’s that’s going to change it! And that’s the living Christ!




DONNA: And it’s time we learn to get back into relationship with Him! Amen?




DONNA: There’s one more point that I want to make and this is something that really is an instinctual part of when we have prayed through. When Hannah got an answer from Eli the priest that God had heard her prayer, this is what Hannah said, what the Bible says about her. She said let Your maidservant find favor in your sight. So the woman went her way and she ate and her face was no longer sad. What did that mean? She had come in there depressed but when she received that Word witnessed by Eli that God had heard your prayer she didn’t hold a baby in her hands yet but she had the witness of the Word in her spirit and it immediately changed her countenance! Hallelujah!




DONNA: It immediately relieved her depression! It immediately caused her to stand up and the next verse said they went and worshipped! Hallelujah! I kind of picture Hannah as a person. She was so excited about that baby in her womb that for the next nine months she was just walking around the house with her hands raised! Blessed be the name of the Lord! He doesn’t forget His children but He’s honored His handmaid and hallelujah, and before she cradled Samuel in her arms she had expectancy that God was faithful to answer her! And that’s how I want to encourage you today. I know what it’s like to pray and trust and quote scripture and still not see an answer to prayer! I know what that’s like! Sometimes we feel I’ve sinned and then we repent of every sin we can think of! Sometimes we feel like God has rejected us. We begin to listen to that little voice in our ear. Or that maybe it wasn’t God’s will for us and we have that tendency to want to give up on hope. But I want to tell you today I’ve come to encourage your faith! That your miracle is not just about you! God has His Church in a place right now to break through as we’ve never broken through before! We’ve got to set in our sights what He wants to do in the lives of our children and in our grandchildren. What He wants to do in the government halls in this nation. What He wants to do in the school systems. What He wants to do under tents and in coliseums. What He wants to do in the arts and the entertainment. We’ve got to start having a vision that comes from heaven! We need to say God, I’m going to rise up and finally obey Jesus! There’s only one prayer that You taught me to pray and that is this: Lord, let Your kingdom come, let Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven! For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory! Can you imagine if we walked the streets saying that? Let Your kingdom come God! Yours is the kingdom and the power of the glory! Let Your kingdom come, God, right here! Stand to your feet and let’s just begin to release that faith to the Lord. Just begin to talk to God in your own way. Would you do it? Thank You, Jesus!

Our Guest Kevin Basconi

KEVIN:  Remember, when we decree Gods word we release Gods angels to go forth and to minister for those who will inherit salvation. I believe that some of you are going to have angelic visitations and angelic encounters TONIGHT!




KEVIN:  So just believe to receive. Amen? Now quickly. When God opens up your spiritual senses and you begin to recognize Gods angels and understand that you can co-labor with them there are three things you need to do. Hallelujah. So you get the revelation. And any angelic encounter that you have must line up with the scripture. Amen? Gods angels will not violate the canon of scripture. So an angel may appear to you and give you some type of directive. Well that could be visionary. You could see it or it could be an audible message or it could be a knowing that you have which we call the unction of the Holy Spirit. Thats called the revelation. This could apply to any supernatural experience by the way, but for the sake of this mentoring session were talking about Gods angels. Amen? So you get the revelation. The next step that you need to understand is interpretation. And then the third step is implementation. Im going to give you an example of this. As a new believer I was entertaining Gods angels and I had an encounter on a place called Killick Island in Newfoundland and the Holy Spirit visited me and He encouraged me. He instructed me to go to Africa and preach the gospel to the poor people there and to minister healing to the sick and deliver people from demonic influence. That was my worst nightmare. But I began to pray and what happened was God began to allow me to release an angel of provision to go forward and in short order I got a passport. I got all the inoculations and with less than 24 hours after I released this angel of provision all the money for that trip to Africa came in, over 4,000 dollars. Can somebody give Him a handclap of praise for that?




KEVIN:  Now how many of you would like to have an angel of provision that you can release like that? Well I want to decree over you that theyre available in Gods kingdom and you can begin to learn how to co-labor with them. Amen? So now Im in Africa and Im in a place called Murchison Falls Uganda in a mud hut and in this mud hut the glory of God manifested. Phew. Hallelujah! Kind of like its comin now in Jesus name! And at 11 oclock they cut off all the electricity because it was in a game reserve. There was no electricity there. They used a generator.     And I begin to pray in the Holy Spirit according to the scriptural principle of Jude 20: Build yourself up in your most holy faith by praying in the Holy Spirit. (prays in tongues) I was prayin in the Holy Spirit and as I was praying in the Holy Spirit I had the understanding that I was praying with knowledge. I was praying with a purpose for God to release His angels to protect those people who were on that ministry trip and there were circumstances that came up that we needed that protection. But after Id prayed in the Spirit, now this is a key for you, if you pray in the Holy Spirit it will accelerate your ability to discern Gods angels and to learn how to co-labor with them. Hallelujah. So shandai. Okay? And as Im praying in the Spirit what happened was the glory of God came into the room about 2 am and I had a candle lit and I could literally see the flame of the candle and it was flickering in the wind. And all of a sudden God opened my spiritual eyes and I saw these four powerful angels which had come into the bungalow. Big guys like 8, 9 foot tall. They looked like you know weightlifters with you know shields and swords  and these beautiful white robes. And at first I was astonished but I continued to look at em and in that atmosphere I got a revelation that I was to move from West Virginia to Kansas City and to submit to the authority of Christ Triumphant Church. Well Id only been to Kansas City once. Id never been to Christ Triumphant Church. I didnt know anything about that church. So what I did was I took that revelation to my spiritual mentor at that time which was evangelist Omega Dow. I told that to her. We evaluated it. We prayed about it. So theres keys to interpreting the revelation. Theres prayer, fasting. You want to submit it to spiritual authority and if youre going to stay up into this aspect of Gods kingdom you need to be submitted to spiritual authority. Can someone say amen to that?




KEVIN:  So my mentor told me, Kevin, I believe this is the Lord and when the time is right God will open up the door for you. In fact two years later God opened up the door for me and I travelled to Kansas City and I actually met the pastor of that church in Pasadena California, hallelujah, a year later, and what has ended up happening was by the unction of the Holy Spirit I realized that the revelation and the interpretation was right but I needed to wait on the implementation of what I had got from angelic ministry.  And so it took 4 years and after 4 years God opened up the door for me to move to Kansas City and I submitted to the authority of Christ Triumphant Church. Pastor Alan and Pastor Carol Koch, wonderful, spirit-filled pastors in the Kansas City area. In fact theyre still my pastors, hallelujah, 11 years later. Can somebody give God a handclap of praise for that?



Our Guest David Herzog

SID:  Sid Roth with “Something More” and Dr. David Herzog.  And uh David, –




SID:  people’s lives are being literally transformed when they get your revelation on the Courts of Heaven.  Uh, explain wh – where did – uh tell me how you got this.  What were the circumstances?


DAVID:  Yeah, I was in this situation where the first time it happened, I was in a meeting, and miracles were happening.  And this woman was crying, and I said, “Why are you crying?  Uh, things – uh great things are happening tonight!”  She goes, “Well my son here, who is setting next to me, is going to go to court Tuesday” it was like a Thursday or a Friday night, –


SID:  Um.


DAVID:  “and he’s probably going to go to jail for a very long time, because he was caught with child pornography.”


SID:  Hm.


DAVID:  And in the State of Arizona I think he  – at that time you would get like 5 years in jail per thing.  And they  – they got his computer, and he’s in big trouble.  I think he was 17 or 18, and so he was in big trouble.  SO I said to the boy, “Is that true?”  He goes, “Yeah, I messed up.”  I said, “Well do you want to repent, and get saved?”  “Yeah.”  So he comes up; he gets saved.  Then I say to him, “Wait; um, it – let’s take it to the Court of Heaven!”  And I just thought well there’s got to be a court in – I had never heard a teaching on it at that point.  It was kind of by – the Lord just said –


SID:  Um hm.


DAVID:  “Take it to My Court, before he goes to the earthly court; ‘… on earth as it is in heaven.'”  If we can get a heavenly verdict on it, then hopefully we can match it with – on the earth!  So I just went by faith, and I said, “Okay, close your eyes”, and he closed his eyes; I said, “Let’s go, by faith.  Now imagine you see the Judge, because there is a Judge in Heaven.”


SID:  Right.


DAVID:  “Let’s present our case, and I’ll help you, and I’ll come with you.”  And I said, “Now Jesus is the Lawyer, His dad is the Judge, so it’s kind of rigged.”




DAVID:  “So you got a good Jewish lawyer, and you got a Judge who – who’s His Father!”  And I said –


SID:  You have a good Israeli lawyer!


DAVID:  Yeah, Israeli lawyer!




DAVID:  Israeli Jewish lawyer!




DAVID:  And – and I said, –




DAVID:  “So here, Father, we present this boy to You.  He just got saved.  He deserves sin -”


VIDEO:  DAVID:  Oh Father in Heaven,


DAVID:  uh I mean, “he deserves death and punishment.”


VIDEO:  BOY SENTENCED TO JAIL:  I want to be used of God.


DAVID:  “But because of the blood of Your servant Yeshua, Jesus, he’s been forgiven.”




DAVID:  “We ask You know, Father God, that You would take care of this court case on Tuesday.  Whatever Your will is, he is okay with it, but we want to present it to You first.”  Then I – something came to my mind, then I said, “Wait a second!  Do you have a call on your life?”, and the boy said, “Yes I do.  My mother told me since I was little I have a call to ministry, and this and that; and that’s why the enemy’s been attacking me, and I fell into sin.”  And I go, “Oh, okay”, and I go, “Time out!” as if I was in a court case.  “Time out.  Let me talk to my client,” you know.




DAVID:  Even though Jesus is the lawyer – Yeshua.


SID:  Right.


DAVID:  I said, “What if we presented to the Judge that you want to serve God also?  You want to do your calling?”


SID:  Interesting.


DAVID:  “Maybe that can affect the court case?  I don’t know.”  And he goes, “Yeah, I’ll do whatever!  I’m happy I’m saved!”  So then we go back, and I said, “Your Honor, Judge of Heaven and Earth, uh he wants to be used in ministry because he has a call on his life.”  And he said, he even told me, “Even if I go to jail, I don’t mind as long as God uses me.”  So you know it wasn’t a “get out of jail card”; he was just like, “I just want to be right with God.”


SID:  Um hm.


DAVID:  So we presented that, and I heard the Father say – the Judge, “Forgiven, and cleared.”  And at the time, the pastor was saying, when he walked by and he overheard it, and I think he mumbled something like, “Well he can be forgiven, but he’s going to have to pay for that,” you know.




DAVID:  And so again, which is the normal res – earthly response.


SID:  Right.


DAVID:  Then he – then he came the next few nights beaming – like glowing – just so happy.  Then he goes to the court on Tuesday, and the judge and the lawyer happen to be Christians.  They took him out to talk to him, and then – before it started, and they said, “Listen.” the opposing lawyer said, “Listen, we have so much evidence -”




DAVID:  “against you, there’s no way you can win.  You’re going to go to jail for a long time.  You want to -”


VIDEO:  OPPOSING LAWYER:  You’re going to go to jail for a long time because of all the evidence we have against you.


DAVID:  “make sure you’re a Believer before you go, because you’ll need it.”  He says, “I already am a Believer.”


VIDEO:  BOY SENTENCED TO JAIL:  “That’s okay.  I’m saved.”


DAVID:  “I just got saved.”  Gave the whole testimony; told them he doesn’t even mind if he goes; he’s fine –


VIDEO:  JUDGE:  I understand.  This case is closed.


DAVID:  because he’s saved, and God’s going to use him in jail.




DAVID: And they were so moved by his testimony that they threw the case out.  And this happened.


SID:  That’s where you realize –




SID:  that you are on to something.


DAVID:  Exactly.


SID:  It – it’s uh, you know, “there is “nothing new.” It’s – but it’s new to our generation.


DAVID:  Exactly.


SID:  Uh now, that would – the – we could call that an – an amazing coincidence, but is this happening many times to you, and to many people when they get this revelation?


DAVID:  Well I – I had a – some people that owed us a large amount of money, in a faraway country, and they just decided not to give it!  They just –


SID:  Um hm.


DAVID:  They only gave a fourth of it, which they told me it was everything, but then later I find out it wasn’t; the Holy Spirit told me it wasn’t.  I pressed them, and find out it wasn’t, so I said, “Well send it!”  And they go, “Nope!  We’re just not going to send it.”  And I was like “Wow, that’s a bummer!  How am I – I cant do anything about it.”  And the Lord reminded me, “Take it to My Courts!”  “Aah!  I can go to the Court of Heaven!”  So we decided to fast and pray that day, just to – just to pray, with fasting, just to be more focused; so my wife and I went to the Court of Heaven and did the same thing!  “Here’s our case.  Now Lord, if we’re wrong,” you know.  And you know, when someone does you wrong, sometimes you get a little angry, or you say stuff you shouldn’t say, like “Oh, those people are jerks”, or –


SID:  Um hm.


DAVID:  so then the enemy – you go to the court.  There’s the opposing attorney – the devil – he’s “the accuser of the brethren”; the Bible says he’s there “day and night”.  So he uses anything that you do wrong against you in the court.  But the Lord told me “If you repent of anything you’ve done wrong before you go to the court, the enemy can’t use it as evidence against you in the court”!


SID:  You know we think about that in just your personal life, but we don’t understand that it affects everything you touch!


DAVID:  Thats why your prayers get blocked.  It’s not just God’s mad at you; the enemy uses it against you in the Court of Heaven, because He says, “he … accuse[s] … the brethren … day and night.” So “the accuser.”  So I said –


SID:  Makes sense.


DAVID:  so I said, “Okay; Lord, I repent of being mad that they kept all this money from – even though it was f-for ministry stuff.  Uh, I repent, Lord, for saying ‘Oh, they shouldn’t have done this.  They were jerks.’  I repent of it.  Now here’s my case:  They – this is what should have – I should have received; this is what they kept back”, and it was for something in Jerusalem we were doing actually – the project.  And in fact, the Holy Spirit was more bothered by it than I was, because at first I said, “Well, whatever Lord.  I just – I forgive.  I finally – I forgive them.  Whatever, you know, I trust You.”  He says, “No; but take it to My Court.  I want you to -,” and when I did, I presented the case, and then I felt at peace by the end of the night.  We’d prayed all day till night; at night I felt the Holy Spirit say, “It’s done”, like dont’ pray anymore, you feel a-a lifting.  And when you feel –


SID:  Mm.


DAVID:  that peace, you know okay, it’s settled.  Two days later, they wired like $86,000 back into your account which they’d kept back.  And I said, “What happened?  You guys said you weren’t going to do it.”  It was a really faraway country; they emailed me back and said, “We can’t tell the details, but there was suddenly today an emergency meeting, and everyone unanimously voted to send it back to you,” so I don’t know WHAT happened.  And another time in Russia!  I was detained at the airport because I had all these Russian books – my books in Russian – and they opened it; and they said, “Oh you can’t bring this in here”.  And there – they got really upset, and “You can’t come in the country; your books can’t come in the country”, and they got really mad.  And for a – about an hour and-a-half they detained us, kept our passports; and you could FEEL like something not good is about to happen.  You could really sense in the air like, this is – this is really not good, more than when you –


SID:  Was this at a time where they were throwing people in prison without even –


DAVID:  Um while Ed – Edward Snowden was still in prison, we’re still in the airport, um, being held at the time.


SID:  Okay.


DAVID:  And at that time, it was September – what, about 2 years ago?


SID:  Okay.


DAVID:  2012?  2012?


SID:  So – so it wasn’t that far back.  Okay.


DAVID:    2012 or 2013, the Lord told me uh the relations with Russia and the U.S. will also start to shift, as far as Americans easily going in and bringing the Gospel in to Russia.  It was like kind of a sign, and I –


SID:  Um hm.


DAVID:  so the ca –  I see where the cameras are; we’re in this room.




DAVID:  So I told my – my wife reminded me –


DAVID:  DAVID’S WIFE:  Why dont we just go to the – Court of Heaven?


DAVID:  “Hey, let’s go to the Court of Heaven, honey!”  She’s great, you know – Stephanie.


SID:  Hm.


DAVID:  I say, “Oh, yeah!”  Duh!


VIDEO:  DAVID:  You’re right!


DAVID:  By faith, though –




DAVID:  we go up to the Court of Heaven.


VIDEO:  DAVID:  Thank You Father.


DAVID:  We present our case, –


VIDEO:  DAVID:  We come before You in the Courts of Heaven, –


DAVID:  and they don’t know what we’re talking about.


VIDEO:  DAVID:  seeking justice.


DAVID:  Five minutes after that, they RUN back and go, “Please, you can leave now.”


VIDEO:  RUSSIAN SECURITY:  You are free to go to.


DAVID:  Here’s your passports.  Go.


VIDEO:  DAVID:  Why did they do this?


DAVID:  “Can I bring my – my books with me?”  “Yes.”  I said, “Why did you detain us, then?”


VIDEO:  RUSSIAN SECURITY:  Don’t ask; just go.


DAVID:  “Don’t ask; just go.”




SID:  Hm.


DAVID:  So it like – so I don’t know; and again, sometimes you don’t need to know the details.  But I think Paul had some revelation on this, because he had – he got out of jail MANY times – “get out of jail cards.”  Um, he knew how to go to the Throne; he knew how to go to the Father.  SO MANY situations where it’s just amazing.


SID:  Well you go into a lot of detail about the Court of Heaven –




SID:  in here, but uh, in so many other uh ancient secrets.  Speaking of ancient secrets, –




SID:  you’ve learned how to tap into the portals of God.  What – what is a “portal”, and what do you mean?


DAVID:  Well a “portal” in Latin, “port” just means “door”; so it’s not something weird.


SID:  So a “door”.


DAVID:  Yeah.


SID:  You – you know how to open the door.


DAVID:  And some Christians say, “I believe in open heavens, but ‘portal’ sounds demonic or something”, –


SID:  Hm.


DAVID:  which is uh ridiculous, because “portal” [CHUCKLES] just means “door” in Latin, and in –


SID:  Uh huh.


DAVID:  in French, or Thai.  So open the “doors” or “windows” of Heaven; how do you – you know, so there’s different ways.  Of course there’s praise and worship, there’s repentance, there’s fasting, there’s giving; but then theres also SEASONAL portals, like being in the right place at the right time, like when I was in Israel during the Feasts, worshipping God.  It’s like everything was lined-up because God does promise to visit also at certain SEASONS and times when you show up and praise Him.


SID:  Uh He calls them “set appointments.”


DAVID:  Yeah!  So when He shows up, the glory’s there – the “portal” is there – and He promises to show up at certain times if we show up.


SID:  And uh, huh, you have gone to Heaven.  Tell me the first time you went to Heaven.


DAVID:  First time I went to Heaven I was in Bethel, Israel, and we were there with a tour group.  We rented a bullet-proof bus.  Nobody wanted to go; the tour group didn’t want us to go.  You know the tour agency.


SID:  Um hm.


DAVID:  They said it’s  –


SID:  Right.


DAVID:  It’s “meshugganah” at the time; 2003.


SID:  “Crazy.”


DAVID:  2003; you have to rent a bullet-proof bus; you have to have a security guard with a machine gun.  You’ve got to pass Ramallah, go to the checkpoint, and you want to lay down there and try to get – okay, that’s crazy.  And I said, “Yeah!  I want to do it.”  They said, “Well this is going to cost you more money”, and they tried to really discourage me.  I said, “Okay, I’ll do it!”  I was so desperate, because Genesis 28, this is “the gate of Heaven”, Bethel!  I want to go check it out!  Didn’t say “it was”; it said it “is the gate”!


SID:  You didn’t care whether it was Palestinian or what!




SID:  You just wanted to go to that uh doorway.


DAVID:  Yeah!  Sometimes you’ve got to risk your life to get the glory!  [CHUCKLES]


SID:  Okay.


DAVID:  So we went over there; we laid on the ground.  Someone played guitar, and I said, “Everyone close your eyes,” find a rock like Jacob did, “and just see what God shows you!  Maybe you’ll have a vision; maybe you’ll get taken to Heaven!  I don’t know what’s going to happen, but we’ll – we’ll have interviews afterward.”




DAVID:  So we laid down.  I saw Jesus – Yeshua.  I was taken up, and I saw the crystal sea.  I saw the Messiah, Yeshua; His eyes were flaming like fire.  I got closer and closer to Him.  He looked at me, and He said, –


VIDEO:  YESHUA:  Thank you for touching Isaac, My people.


DAVID:  “Thank you for touching Isaac, my people.”  He said two things to me:  “I want you also to touch Ishmael, and the Muslims, –




DAVID:  because theyre crying out for Me”; and number two, He said, “Please organize a conference for Me in Jerusalem”.  So I came out of it, and I thought, “Well, that could have just been my mind; it could have been my imagination.”


SID:  I understand.  A lot of people get talked out of the supernatural.


DAVID:  But then a few days later, a friend calls me and says, “Hey, we want to organize a – a conference in Jerusalem -”




DAVID:  “and in Bethlehem.  We’re going to reach all these Arabs and Palestinians at Bethlehem, but we also -“, or at – they’re actually, at the time, uh, oh, I think they were Palestinian by that time, but Arab-Israelis, “and we’re going to reach the Jews in Jerusalem.  But we want YOU to organize the conference in Jerusalem, because you have more of the Jewish connection.”  And I said, “That’s so crazy.  I would normally say ‘No’ because I don’t live in Israel, but the L-  Messiah just asked me those exact words, ‘Could you organize a conference in Jerusalem’!”  And then that – and then that week – the following week – all the doors opened to the Arab-Muslim world.  I was invited to Dubai, Qatar, Bahrain; within a few months I was in all those countries!  Uh, Indonesia opened up, –


SID:  So you did not doubt.


DAVID:  Abu Dhabi –


SID:  You did not doubt that it was God, –


DAVID:  I mean you –


SID:  and you did not doubt you were in Heaven.  Y-you said something interesting to me.  You said that once you have your first visitation to Heaven, it like it makes it easier if you want to go to Heaven again.


DAVID:  Exactly.


SID:  But let me ask you this:  Is it do you want to go, or is it only as God so wills?  I mean when Paul said he was in “the third heaven” –


DAVID:  Um hm.


SID:  uh, do you think he had something to do with it, or it was just a sovereign – uh your first time it was really a sovereign thing.


DAVID:  Yeah, but it was faith, too, because I really wanted to go to Bethel, because I wanted to see what Jacob experienced.


SID:  Right.


DAVID:  So I think it’s partly, like it says, “By faith Enoch … was not”, so uh, even that.  So I think a lot of it is faith; you have faith and hunger for the supernatural.  Some people just get it; they die, and then went to Heaven; and they don’t – they get in a car accident; they weren’t asking for it.  But others that don’t have to die; I think you can ask, because it does say you can “come boldly to the throne”, “the veil [has been] rent”; we have access to Him.  So I was just hungry for – there’s gotta – maybe there is something to this.  Well in my case, I asked the Lord.  But if you’ve been to Heaven – a lot of people will tell me, “I’ve been to Heaven 20 years ago; never been back.”


SID:  Hm!


DAVID:  “How do I get back in?”  I said, “It’s really simple.  Just lay down – you lie on your bed and just start to remember that time you were in Heaven.  Just imagine it, remember it, what it was like.”  And your mind is a gateway, you know.  Your – your words are a gateway, but your thoughts are too; “[As a man] … thinks … so is he.”  And as you start to think and remember, many times that gate will be [SNAPS FINGERS] instantly wide open immediately, and you’re – and before you know it you’re back in!  Just like if you talk about the glory, suddenly the glory shows up.  You start thinking about and remembering what happened; many times it opens it right up, just by doing that.


SID:  Now let me ask you a question.  Have you – uh obviously I’ve been to your meetings, and you’ve found that uh many people get healed of many unusual things at your meetings.


DAVID:  Um hm.


SID:  Uh, but from a distance, can someone be healed?  Like we’re – we’re in –


DAVID:  Sure.


SID:  t- uh, internet now with this.  Uh, can – can someone be healed just watching us right now?


DAVID:  Oh yeah!  They can be healed; even raised from the dead!  We’ve seen both from a distance!  Um –


SID:  Give me an example of uh one person.  Uh, in fact, the one that comes to mind that we were talking about earlier is where you knew someone’s name –


DAVID:  Yeah.


SID:  when you were speaking.  Tell me about that.


DAVID:  Yeah.  So I was moving in the prophetic, and the word of knowledge, and I said, “Theres someone,” I forgot the name now, but I – I was in Hammond, Louisiana.  I gave the first and last name of a man.  It’s wonderful when you get accurate like that.  Only problem is –




DAVID:  nobody lifted their hand that was for them.


VIDEO:  DAVID:  Is there anybody by that name?


SID:  Hm.


DAVID:  So I go, “Is anyone here by that name?”; nobody raised their hand!  And I said “oh, great”.


VIDEO:  DAVID:  Is there anybody by that name?


DAVID:  And finally a woman comes up and says, “Well that’s my husbands name, but he’s not here.”  She didn’t tell me what was wrong.


VIDEO:  WOMAN:  My husbands not here.


DAVID:  She stood up, raised her hand.  I said, –


VIDEO:  WOMAN:  He’s been in a coma for 4 days.


DAVID:  “Well, we’ll pray for you, for him.  We’ll -”


VIDEO:  DAVID:  We’ll stand in proxy for him.


DAVID:  “you’ll stand in proxy for him.”  And I just said, “Come back”, three times.


VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back.


DAVID:  She fell out in the Spirit.


VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back.


DAVID:  The next day, she came to the meeting –


VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back!




DAVID:  and told me, “You didnt know this, but my husband was in a coma for 4 days.”


SID:  And you called his name out.


DAVID:  Called his name, and I said, “Come back.”


SID:  Hm!


DAVID:  But in my natural, I thought, “Oh maybe he left her”, or something, and –


SID:  Um hm.


DAVID:  no; he was –




DAVID:  gone.  Like, his –


VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back.


DAVID:  he was in a coma!  And the hour –


VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back.


DAVID:  that I called his name and she fell out –


VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back!


DAVID:  in the Spirit, he came back too.


SID:  Uh, and, –




SID:  like, in a little while, if we pray what do you believe is going to happen to people that are just watching this?




DAVID:  Well I believe the presence of God is already here; it’s in their homes.  And if theyll believe when we begin to pray, the moment we pray, things will begin to happen.  They can believe if I give a word of knowledge.  Even if I don’t give them a specific word, while they’re listening, they can just begin to get in the Spirit and start to declare their miracle, and they’ll also see miracles.


SID:  You know, a lot of people miss this, because let’s say David or myself function in the word of knowledge, which we do; we may not say the condition that you’re believing God for, so well don’t miss what David just said.  He said whether he says it or I say it or NOT, it’s yours, in the glory.  Now, tell me uh, you’ve been teaching on these subjects.  Tell me about uh, it’s –




SID:  actually the uh “Aligning With Heaven” package.  It’s uh, it’s the book and the 3 CDs.


DAVID:  Um hm.


SID:  Uh when you teach on this, –




SID:  when you – people read the book, tell me the feedback you get.  Whats going to happen to someone that goes through this “Aligning With Heaven” package?


DAVID: People tell me they wish they had this information and revelation 20 years; their whole life would have been different.  They’re SO thankful, because they’re seeing prayers that they’d never seen answered in 20-, 30-years get answered within hours, days and weeks.  There s- – realizing there’s a – an acceleration.  “My people perish for lack of knowledge”, the Bible says.  Because we don’t KNOW that we have the right to GO that way TO God, we don’t get the results; so it’s a HUGE revolutionary transformation over people.


SID:  Uh tell me – tell me uh, a few of the more popular teachings they get from the CDs and they get from this book.


DAVID:  There’s another teaching about how to activate your DNA into God’s DNA, because the blood of Jesus is very powerful – the blood of Yeshua.  And in your bladder – your DNA – there’s memory; you – there’s memory of your sins, –


SID:  I know this; yes.


DAVID:  and that – your past sins; but there’s also memory of blessings down your family line.  And a lot of us only break the curses on our family line, but we don’t liberate the blessings off our family line.  Even if they weren’t saved, you can ask the Lord to –


SID:  You know, I’ve never HEARD of that before.  How did you?


DAVID: Well the Lord [CHUCKLES] began –


SID:  How did you even know about that?


DAVID:  the Lord began to show me stuff, and I said, “Well let me test this out!” And I started testing it on myself.  And on my Jewish side I had relatives that were scientists, and they knew 12 languages, and they were in business, and government; and I started asking God –


SID:  I’ll take a little of YOUR DNA!  [LAUGHS]


DAVID:  I asked – [CHUCKLES] – I asked – I want some of yours!




DAVID:  And I said, “Lord, cleanse my DNA.  Show me, you know, my mind, my -“, even my – even your I.Q. can go up.  Daniel – it said that – that suddenly he was “ten times [wiser]”, smarter “in all matter [of] wisdom … understanding and learning than his peers]”; it didn’t say he studied ten times more, in Daniel 1!  And so suddenly I’d be waking up for like 6 weeks of doing this, of asking God to cleanse my DNA with His blood, and cleanse my bloodline.  Not just break the curse, but open up the blessings down the line, that’s encapsulated IN your DNA but it’s blocked.


SID:  Hm!


DAVID:  And when you ask Him to OPEN it, you can know things you never learned!  It’s AMAZING!  And suddenly I wake up, and I’m getting quantum physics, I’m getting um understanding of time travel, space travel.  I start picking up languages on this app, and I was learning Finnish, Russian, [SPEAKING RUSSIAN].  I was just picking up just Russian –


SID:  I thought you’d never say that!  No –




SID:  I’m just teasing!  [LAUGHS]


DAVID:  A-and I was like, “WHOA!  My God!  THIS IS AMAAAZING!”  It – and – and it was like synching with my spirit, my mind, my body; everything was like going up another level!


SID:  Uh, uh okay.  Uh [CHUCKLES] Now th-this is fascinating, but he has heard prophetic words that are about ready to happen on planet Earth; I – I want to find out about that.  Uh, don’t you want something more?  [CHUCKLES]  We’ll be right back for “Something More”, and I’m going to tell you something.  I’ll also have David pray, and – a back was just healed.  That was a freebie.  [CHUCKLES]




SID:  We’ll be back for –




SID:  “Something More”.

Our Guest Jim Woodford

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it is naturally supernatural. My guest was brain dead for 11 hours, went to Heaven, sent back with a message from Heaven. We have a Hebrew word, it’s called “bashert”, it means it’s meant to be. I tell you it is bashert that you be watching right now. My guest, I’ve just gotten to really know over the last day, he’s a retired pilot. You put it in a lot of hours flying. How many hours?


JIM: Just over 20,000.


SID: Just over 20,000. He’s not, he was not a believer in the Messiah. His wife was a believer. Is it fair to say that your god was things, T-H-I-N-G-S?


JIM: Yes, Sid, and I’m ashamed to admit it. I mean, I lived what I thought was the quintessential American-Canadian dream of a successful career, successful businesses. And yet I would wake up in the middle of the night and I’d have this yearning inside of me, and I foolishly interpreted that as meaning I needed a faster plane, a bigger car, a larger boat.


SID: But one day, again, he’s his own god, so to speak, he wakes up and something unusual, his arms and his legs are numb. He gets diagnosed with a disease, frankly I’ve never heard, is it Gillian Barre?


JIM: It’s Guillain Barre.


SID: I’m close. And if I understand this right, this is life-threatening and you could end up paralyzed. But actually if you don’t get treatment right away, which you did not, what did they tell you to expect?


JIM: Well it’s often fatal and Guillain Barre is the deterioration of the myelin sheath on your brainstem and it’s similar to if you strip the insulation from an electrical cord and all the signals from your brain become pain and interrupted. And I went from being a guy that flew jets and raced cars to someone completely dependent on nurses and my wife who is a nurse for my care.


SID: You told me that the pain was so bad that you had pain when you blinked your eyes.


JIM: I actually trained myself to blink one eye at a time.


SID: Because of the time.


JIM: Because every blink of my eye was pain, not just in my eyes, but through my whole body. My whole nervous system had been interrupted by this incredible debilitating disease.


SID: And all of a sudden, the pain gets so bad that you take a whole bottle of pain medicine. I mean, but didn’t you realize that could be fatal?


JIM: You know Sid, it was a gradual thing and yet to give me some semblance of normalcy, some ability to sleep two or three hours a night I began to take more of the medication than I should have. And I was trying to get up the energy to get into the truck and inspect the field that I was trying to sell, and I saw a vial of prescription medication. I should have known all I was consumed with stopping the pain. As I took the last of the medication that evening and I’m facing the setting sun, for some reason, I didn’t plan it that way, all of a sudden my feet began to burn as though they were in fire. My hands and fingertips started to burn and as that burning sensation made its way up my body in my arms toward my chest I knew that I had done something truly catastrophic. And it was then that I said the first three of the six words that I believe are responsible for me being here today along with the prayers of my family. And in that last instant in my consciousness I looked at the setting sun and I raised my hand, and I remember it was shaking violently. I cried out, “God, forgive me.” I cried out from a part of me that I didn’t even know existed, not out of fear. I faced death a couple of times as a pilot, never flinched, but I had this overwhelming sense in those last nanoseconds of my life that I had wasted this beautiful life that the Creator had given me, and I had never honored him for that life. And I was just trying to express my sorrow for not having led a better life.


SID: After that prayer, which is half of the prayer that got you back, what do you remember?


JIM: And suddenly I became aware that the horrific pain that I had endured for all those years since the onslaught of the Guillain Barre was gone. I felt more alive than I had ever felt before and the pain was gone. I felt so great. I slid out of the truck, I walked about 15 feet away and I’m feeling as though a heavy wet overcoat has been taken off from me, and all the pain has gone with it. And then I look back at the truck and there’s someone in my truck, and I’m absolutely enraged, who would dare get in my truck, and not only that, he’s sleeping on the steering wheel. The moment when I realized that the guy in the truck was me was truly earth shattering.


SID: The next thing that happened you’re flying but there’s no airplane.


JIM: Finally I’m saving on fuel. But I began to rise. I can look through the rear window of the truck and see my body slumped over the wheel and over the truck I can look down in the bed of the truck, Sid, and see my toolbox. And being a former pilot I’m a good judge of altitude, and I’m suddenly a hundred feet, 200 feet, I’m drifting slowly backwards and I’m rising. I’m rising, and I am terrified. I can look out over the countryside.


SID: I’ll tell you what, hold that thought. He finds himself in a very unusual place, almost a crossroads between Heaven and Hell. When we come back we’ll find out what he did about it. Hell was actually, he actually heard Hell and demons calling him by his name. Be right back.

Our Guest Cherie Calbom

SID:  Sid Roth here with “Something More”, and my guest, Cherie Calbom.  And uh, Cherie, last time you were on the show, you caused a sensation!


CHERIE:  Isn’t it amazing!




SID:  Uh, do you remember the commercial we did –


CHERIE:  It’s so amazing, isn’t it?


SID:  with “Juice Lady in the”, “in the Box”?


VIDEO:  SID:  What a way to start this day!


SID:  And of course, she’s affectionately known as “The Juice Lady”. And for those that aren’t that familiar with her, um, I uh, sh- – uh, you had fibromyalgia, you had uh – uh, several uh – uh chronic fatigue syndrome; uh, there was no hope for you.  Uh, the doctors pretty much gave up, uh, but you did something that you directed to by God, that changed your life, in a short period of time.  Uh, tell me, your worst shape you were in, and what happened.


CHERIE:  I was in terrible shape; I had to quit work.  I uh felt like I had the flu all the time; swollen glands, headache. Body ached all over.  Could barely walk around the house; I couldn’t go for a walk outside.  And no hope from the doctors.  I prayed and prayed and prayed, and said, “Lord PLEASE show me what to do!  There’s got to be a way out of this”, and He directed me to juicing vegetables, and changing my diet.  When I started reading about a healthy diet, I realized I was way off-track.  I loved junk food and fast food, and I didn’t like vegetables.




CHERIE:  So I did an about-face.


SID:  You sound like the typical American.  [LAUGHS]


CHERIE:  I do, don’t I!  [LAUGHS]  Just running to – through the fast-lane of life, and fast food; that was me.  So, I bought my first juicer.




CHERIE:  Went on a 5-day juice fast.  On day #5, my body expelled a tumor the size of a golf ball, and that got my attention.  And I thought, “Maybe I’ll just turn the corner…




CHERIE:  and tomorrow I’ll be totally well;


SID:  Uh, b-but wait a second.


CHERIE:  I wasn’t.


SID:  I-I – I just don’t understand how things can happen in uh, you know, by just juicing so fast!  I would think it would take uh, several YEARS for something like that to happen.


CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES] It – you know, it is so amazing.  Uh, having now worked as a nutritionist with people for many years, I have seen AMAZING things happen in a short time.  For some people it does take a while for things to turn around.  It depends on how sick people, how old they are, how toxic [CHUCKLES] they are, and so forth.  But I was young, and for me, my body responded very very quickly.


SID:  Um hm.


CHERIE:  And this was the path that God showed me that I could take for healing.  Because now what I know as a nutritionist, and with all my science background, if you give people the right materials to heal, they body will heal!  It will DO what God designed it to do.


SID:  But h-how long did it take you to get better?


CHERIE:  Well after that juice fast, it took me about 3 months.  And I kept juicing, I ate whole foods – organic foods – mostly vegetables.  I went vegan for the summer; I’m not vegan now.  But I just uh, did that program, and in 3 months, I woke up one morning and thought, “Wow!  Somebody gave me a new body in the middle of the night!”  I mean I felt like jogging,…


SID:  Uh –


CHERIE:  and I did!


SID:  Oh okay.


CHERIE:  And I hadn’t even been able to walk the rest of the block!


SID:  Y-y-you begged – y-you’re begging a question:  Uh, why do I have to fool around with juicing?  Why don’t I just have 5 fruits and 5 vegetables?  Uh, l-like someone said once, a-and, that’s done!  Why – why don’t you just do that?




SID:  Why?  Is the juicing better, or is that equivalent?


CHERIE:  Juicing is superior in many ways, because there – there are several things.  It’s broken down so well,


CHERIE:  your body can absorb it very very quickly.  It goes RIGHT into your system, because it doesn’t have the fiber to stop or, you know, slow it down with digestion.


SID:  Um hm.


CHERIE:  Fiber is good; don’t get me wrong.  And we want to eat a high fiber diet, but juicing…


CHERIE:  is just fabulous for getting right into your system.  When people are ill, digestion often is off.  They don’t digest food well; they don’t even digest their fruits and vegetables well.  And so this gets it RIGHT into your system.  It’s like a pre-digested food, and you’ve got all those antioxidants, bio photons, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, going RIGHT into your body, RIGHT into your cells, bringing that healing LIFE!  And this is live food.  And we are told in the Scripture, “choose life”!  “I have set [you] before you [today] life and death … choose life”; and this is choosing life.  And then two, number two, we don’t eat enough fruits and vegetables.  Science has proven that – all over the world – where we should have 7 to 9, maybe 13 servings; it depends on the research and the surveys you see, and which universities, but we don’t do it.  This is the way to get a maximum amount easily.


SID:  Uh –


CHERIE:  So I take a big bowl and juice it up, and I think –




CHERIE:  I could never chew up [CHUCKLES] all that in the morning…


SID:  Uh, I probably could chew it all…


CHERIE:  you know!


SID:  but my refrigerator would be filled with that stuff.  Anyway uh…




SID:  uh you talk about “marrying the natural and the supernatural”.  What do you mean by that?


CHERIE:  Partnership with God!  That’s how I see it.  We do our part; He has DONE His part.  He continues to do His part all the time.  The Lord has been showing me more and more how we do that,…


CHERIE:  in that we stand on His Word.  And recently, I’ve just been seeing that more and more; how we apply it – His Word – to our hearts, like a poultice on your chest.  You know the old-fashioned poultices.


SID:  Right.


CHERIE:  My grandmother used [CHUCKLES] one all the time when anybody got sick.  And I SAW IT the other day in the spirit; apply that Scripture to your heart, just like a poultice!  Lay it on there:  “By His stripes [you] are healed.”  “He sent His word, and healed them.”  Just go over all the Scriptures you can find.  Get on the Internet; pull ’em off, print ’em out.  Apply them to your heart; strengthen your spirit.  But then…


SID:  Okay.  But if we …


CHERIE:   don’t stop there.


SID:  w-wait a second Cherie.  If we …




SID:  if we have, uh the – the powerful Word, which you agree and I agree, uh, why even fool around with nutrition?


CHERIE:  Oh, you know, in here …




CHERIE:  I’m so glad you asked that because people say that.  “Can I just go and get a miracle?”


SID:  Yeah!


CHERIE:  You know what?  If – if our diet has created our dis-ease in any way in our bodies, God can heal us.  He can do an “override”, I call it – heal us miraculously – but we’re going to continue on …


CHERIE:  eating our bad diet – our fast food, our junk food, our things in packages and boxes – devoid of nutrients.  We’re going to get sick again!  But so often, we need to partner …


CHERIE:  with the Holy Spirit.  We need to partner with the Father, with Jesus.  We need to do our part, and to eat the real, live, whole foods that He gave us, that He put on this Earth for our health and healing.  The Scripture says He gave us every herb, He gave us these plants; they are for our healing.  And He did not give us bon-bons; He did not give us chips and dips; He did not …




CHERIE:  give us fast food and burgers and french fries.


SID:  I haven’t read any of that in the Bible.


CHERIE:  Those are man-made.






SID:  U-uh, Ch…


CHERIE:  It’s not there, right!  [CHUCKLES]


SID:  Cherie, tell me, uh, you did it the last time you were on the air, but I feel it’s so important.  Tell me about the VISION you had from God about the battlefield.


CHERIE:  I saw so clearly, years ago, when I was in a – a prayer meeting for healing, …


CHERIE:  that I just LEFT that room in the spirit, and saw God’s soldiers.  He gave me a vision of His people – His army – and so many of them lying on the battlefield, where their armor is skewed; their swords and their shields laying at their side.  And they were in pain, and there were labels written across their bodies, like “cancer”, “diabetes”, “heart disease”, “fibromyalgia”, “M.S.”, “lupus”, “scleroderma”, “rheumatoid arthritis”; on and on and on it went.  And I saw these soldiers not only in their own pain, but the demonic forces really beating them up, punching and kicking them, because they were down, because they couldn’t stand.  And the Lord said, “Cherie, I want you to go back to school,” …


CHERIE:  get a graduate degree in nutrition, and I want you to teach My people, because they are perishing ‘for lack of knowledge’.”  And isn’t it true, on every level; Satan has tried to pervert what God has given us, and he’s perverted our food, and – on top of everything else.  And I was seeing that day, what is the quickest way to destroy an army if you could do it?  Poison them!  They would all just drop over!  You wouldn’t even have to do much of a fight if you poison the entire army with their water …


SID:  Hmm.


CHERIE:  their drinks, their food.  Well that is what the enemy is doing to us with all of this adulterated food, manmade stuff – things in boxes and bags – and – and fast food and junk food, and cans and sodas, and on and on it goes.  We’ve got poison everywhere we turn in our food supply, and God is saying, “Come out from among them,” My people, “and be … separate”.  Choose a holy – “whole” – “holy” means “whole”, body soul and spirit.  Choose a holy way of life.  Choose a holy way of eating.  Be my disciplined people, and choose the REAL food; whole food, that God gave us.


SID:  Now – now you mentioned something that uh, is going to uh, upset a few people.  I know in my control room it’s going to upset them.  Uh, what happens from too much diet soda?


CHERIE:  Diet soda is a scary thing.  And I have been doing research on that more and more all the time.  Uh, i-it’s – it’s uh waste with a diet sweetener…


CHERIE:  and usually it’s aspartame – we know it as NutraSweet.  And uh, the CDC did studies and, just have tracked.  Uh, they don’t really promote this, but they’ve just tracked it, and you can find it if you do you research:  That brain tumors increased HUGELY.  The bar graph went WAY up uh, a couple of years after diet sodas came on the market.  But there’s all sorts of new research showing that when you drink diet sodas, also you – i-it affects your metabolism, and you crave um more sweets and more refined carbs.  So you go for more things like pats- – pasta and pizza…


SID:  So – so could you say …


CHERIE:  hamburgers.


SID:  diet soda – could you say, Cherie, that diet soda makes you fatter, because of that?  [CHUCKLES]


CHERIE:  It [CHUCKLES] makes you better?


SID:  Fatter.


CHERIE:  [LAUGHS] It makes you worse!




CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES] Fatter!  Oh “Fatter”!  Yes, it does!  And [CHUCKLES] yes!  And they’ve proven that, in scientific studies, that it contributes to obesity, to weight gain.  And even if you’re not obese, that it contributes to fat being deposited around the mid-section, which is the worst place to gain weight.  It creates a …


SID:  Uh, w-w-what a …


CHERIE: it increases your “sweet tooth”.


SID:  w-what about regular soda?  Is that bad for us?


CHERIE:  That is really bad too.


SID:  [LAUGHS]  Oh wait a second!  [LAUGHS]


CHERIE:  Uh, they’re [CHUCKLES] both at the top!  [CHUCKLES]


SID:  Okay, well – why – why is it – why bad?  Tell me.  [CHUCKLES]


CHERIE:  It – it’s got a huge amount of sugar.  Um …


SID:  What’s wrong with sugar?


CHERIE:  many key foods; up to 11 key foods …


SID:  What – wh-wh-what – what’s wrong with sugar?


CHERIE:  Sugar is an inflammation and anti – it’s an inflammatory – excuse me – VERY inflammatory substance, …


CHERIE:  and that is what my new book, “The Anti-Inflammation Diet” is all about.  Inflammation is at the root of every disease there is.  And sugar is one of the #1 things …


CHERIE:  that contributes to inflammation in the body, which contributes to EVERYTHING, like heart disease, and cancer, and diabetes, and M.S., and scleroderma, and lupus, and on and on; R.A. – rheumatoid arthritis, you can name it all.  It – inflammation is at the base, and sugar is one of the top inflammatory substances.  I say to everyone, “Get that sugar out of your diet!”  But soda’s also got chemicals, and dyes, and all of that stuff.  And there’s a new study out showing that junk food, with all of that stuff in it, is the #1 contributor of inflammation.  So at the top of everybody’s list in science right now, sodas are coming in; right up at the top, both diet soda and regular soda, and it is subtly, day-by-day, destroying our health.  Young people think they can get away with it, because you know that when you’re young you think you’ll live forever, right?




CHERIE:  And you think you’re always going to be healthy.  And BOOM, one day, it all catches up with you, and your body says, “I’ve had enough of this” [CHUCKLES] you know, and it’s getting really sick.


SID:  Now you made a statement, a-and it’s worth me repeating:  You said inflammation is at the root of nearly every disease!  So it …


CHERIE:  Um hm.


SID:  therefore, um my logical mind says if we could get rid of the foods that cause inflammation, and eat the foods that uh work in a positive way, you get rid of the roots of most diseases, and then people won’t have to pray to be healed!  You know what it reminds me of Cherie?  Uh, there might be uh a 400-pound man that comes up to me for me to lay hands on him, to heal his back; and I KNOW God will heal his back.  But I also know in 30 days, he’ll be BACK to have his heal – back healed!  [CHUCKLES]




SID:  Be…


CHERIE:  That is absolutely right!  And it’s going on all the time!  My father was a healing evangelist; I grew up in this kind of ministry.  And seeing people – even as a little tiny kid – seeing people coming back over and over and over again, and that’s because we’re doing the things that make our body sick; and so they can’t stay well, because we’re pouring into them the things that contribute to inflammation; and  inflammation is causing disease.


SID:  Uh Cherie, are many – are many uh – uh people in the world have – do they have inflammation, or is this is a small percentage of people?


CHERIE:  It’s huge, and it’s worldwide.  We’ve exported our bad foods all over the world.


SID:  Umh.


CHERIE:  You can go just about [CHUCKLES] anywhere except maybe some little remote areas, and you’ll find “golden arches”, you’ll [CHUCKLES] find fast food restaurants, you’ll find pop – soda pop – everywhere.  You’ll find it all over, so we’ve exported our bad poisonous foods all over the world,


SID:  Yeah I …


CHERIE:  and we have sick people all over the world, with inflammation.


SID:  Y-you know what I’m thinking?  Just like that vision that you had of the – of the battlefield; we are praying for God to heal us, and then destroying our body right after He heals us, or even before He heals us!


CHERIE:  Um hm.


SID:  We’re – we’re like uh – uh shooting yourself in the foot!  Uh now, when – we have your 4 books.


SID:  One is brand-new:  “Anti-Inflammation Diet -“, and the “28 Days to Restore Your Body and Feel Great”!  Can – now that sounds like a short period of time, uh Cherie;


SID:  “28 days to restore your body and feel great”?  You talk about losing weight, increasing energy, look and feel younger in 28 days!  Is this REALLY working with people now?


CHERIE:  It is really working for sure, and I’ve proven it over and over again.  As a nutritionist, and with all the people that I’ve helped in counseling and different programs, I’ve seen it over and over again.  And as I’ve talked with various holistic doctors, they have told me that is about the right amount of time for things to really start turning around.  30 days is the amount of time, so we’re almost there with our 28-day program; 4 weeks.  And 30 days is the amount of time it takes for your cells to begin to really turn over, and for your body to really begin to change.  And so I always say to people, “Don’t give up.”  You know, we do something a week or two; we’re such an instant society, we want things immediately.  But I say, “Don’t give up; give it 30 days, and you should see some positive changes in your body”.


SID:  Okay.  Y-you tie-in that 28- – or the – as you say, “the marriage” between the supernatural …




SID:  and the natural.  Uh, you tie it in with uh, you made exclusively for our – our uh “Mishpocah”, that’s a Hebrew word that means “family” – uh, “The 28-Day Journey to Wholeness” devotional.  Uh, tell me about that.


CHERIE:  Yes.  I’m so excited about the devotional, because it goes with your 28-day food program.


SID:  Right.


CHERIE:  And what I’ve seen with SO many people I’ve worked with:  Your spirit needs to be strengthened.  So many people feel beaten down, and discouraged, and hopeless, and like nothing is ever going to change for them.  They’re not going to have the energy and the vibrant health that they long for and they’ve prayed for, and so I realized that day-by-day you need the Word of God.  And I have in the devotional not only a teaching each day – a short teaching, and it’s all around the spiritual – the biblical – the Scriptures; but also a declaration, because I feel that each day – with our mouth – we need to speak the word, “I declare today”, and I have something for people to declare every single day, and a prayer to close with.  And I realized that people need their spirit built-up so that they have the will power!


SID:  The – a-and you have the res – y-you have the recipes, and it’s not just juicing; it’s regular food and juicing.




SID:  Uh, but uh, you have 2 more books, and uh, a couple of them REALLY intrigue – well ALL of them intrigue me – but uh …


SID:  “Remedies for Stress and Adrenal Fatigue”, “Remedies for Asthma and Allergies”.  Uh, it’s the most amazing thing!  God gave us a body; He did not want us to have lack of energy, …


SID:  He didn’t want us to have pain, He didn’t want us to have heart disease, He didn’t want us to have diabetes.  Uh, H-He wanted to l- – us to live life to the fullest!  And uh, I – I find, of reading your notes Cherie, that many people that get ahold of your books uh, they’ve been praying and even fasting, “God, help me!”, and God has directed them.  So we’re making these 4 great books available for an investment of $49.  Speaking of investment, I just got back from Israel, and I spoke before a group of bishops a-at their meeting.  And there was a bishop there …


SID:  from Outer Mongolia.  I’d – I’d heard of Outer Mongolia.  Cherie, I didn’t know where it was!




SID:  And according to my map, I see it’s north of Tibet, China, but I didn’t realize it.  This guy was in an auto accident, …


SID:  and his back was broke 5 places.  And he …




SID:  was in constant pain for 14 years.  Uh, the – the prognosis was he’d end up in a wheelchair; uh, and one minute with God was all that was necessary.  Uh, he turns on our TV show, and this is the thing that’s so exciting to me!  Our TV show is in OUTER MONGOLIA and I don’t even know where it is!  Uh, a-and so he tunes in our television show, and then I have a word of knowledge; he’s sovereignly healed, he’s been h- – free for over a year, pain-free; he’s in full-time ministry!  And I – uh, that’s why I say, by making an investment of $49, any profits uh [CHUCKLES] and – and looks what’s going to happen to you; but any profits are POURED into ministry to people, in EVEN Outer Mongolia!  Uh, when we come back, I want to learn more about this insidious thing, uh, that is called, “inflammation”.  Most people don’t even know what the word means!  I’ll be right back.

Our Guest Jonathan Cahn

MICHAEL BROWN: What we know in Scripture that we can see as things happen in Israel, they’re happening in America or there’s a template when God brings judgment.



MICHAEL BROWN: You were saying that studying Scripture, studying the ancient historical books of Israel you discovered that part of these parallels are striking and could it even lay things out in advance if we’re looking at it, and this is what’s coming next. So we know our history. We know the problems we’ve had with our administrations. And now we see someone emerging, someone unexpected, and in the paradigm you talk about the warrior. Who’s the warrior?


JONATHAN CAHN: So you have the House of Ahab. If he stays in power it’s going to seal the apostasy. So God, something happens. It’s going to be a showdown. Someone rises up in the book, in “The Paradigm,” it’s called, he’s called the warrior.


MICHAEL BROWN: But he’s not just like a kind of quiet.


JONATHAN CAHN: No, no, not quiet at all. No, not quiet at all by any stretch of the imagination.


MICHAEL BROWN: Peacemaker.


JONATHAN CAHN: No, no. He’s a warrior. He’s not even a politician.


MICHAEL BROWN: In the paradigm.


JONATHAN CAHN: In the paradigm. He’s a warrior. He’s a fighter. He fights with everybody, okay, in the paradigm. He’s name is Jehu.


MICHAEL BROWN: Zealous, very zealous.


JONATHAN CAHN: He’s zealous.


MICHAEL BROWN: He’s got some rough edges.


JONATHAN CAHN: He is not gentle at all. He is coarse. He’s a fighter. He’s fighting everybody and he begins this race to the throne. Read the, he actually begins a race to the throne, and the Bible describes the race as, the word is “crazy”. They said he was crazy. He drives crazy. The man drives furiously. It’s crazy. But he gets to the throne. Even though it’s a crazy race, he gets to the throne.


MICHAEL BROWN: And he has a certain zeal for the things.


JONATHAN CAHN: Yes. The zeal is a crazy zeal, but he’s used by God, and he’s the most unlikely person. The commoners can’t even agree if he’s saved or not, but he’s being used of God. And so what happens, I’ll just, we can only touch on some things, but he ends up in a show to show, a showdown against the former queen. So you have the former queen, and you have Hillary Clinton, you have the warrior, you have Donald Trump. Okay. And so now here’s the thing, Michael. I said if you knew the paradigm before these things, I knew the paradigm. I didn’t even know. If we knew it you could have actually foretold all this. All the polls were saying Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton. The paradigm was saying no.

MICHAEL BROWN: And there are prophetic words about Donald Trump being like a Divine wrecking ball, as you call him, God’s chaos candidate. But that’s like Jehu.


JONATHAN CAHN: That’s Jehu. That’s exactly Jehu. Everything, Michael. So the things the paradigm was saying, no, when the warrior meets the former queen, the warrior will defeat the former queen and it will be a downfall, and that’s exactly what happens. There is so much, there are details to this, too. So he wins. He now heads to the capitol city. Jehu heads to the capitol city. Now why does he head to the capitol city? To drain the swamp. Absolutely. Absolutely. This is not political here. The thing is that Jehu specifically is ending Baal worship, which is what, the offering up of children. So even Trump puts as his agenda we want to dismantle this, which leads to the next thing. And that is that when he goes there he actually destroys the temple of Baal in the capitol city. Now the temple of Baal was built by Ahab. And so what, he starts dismantling the system of killing children. Well that has been, one of the first things Trump did was sign the executive orders to start, to try to dismantle it. But interesting, now beyond this, could there be another sign? Well the thing is that when Jehu rises, when he goes to the capitol, the temple of Baal falls. So here’s the paradigm. When the warrior rises the temple of Baal falls. Could there actually be a temple of Baal in the world? Well there is. There was a temple of Baal that stood for 2000 years in the Middle East. It survived everything. But when Trump rose, the temple of Baal in the Middle East fell, was destroyed. It was destroyed. And it happened in 2015. You can check it out. Happened in the summer. Just after Trump announces, his rise, it falls. Even that. And here’s another thing, Michael. I said all the parameters are there. Well let’s take the days, in the book, there’s something called the Days of the Queen. So how long does Jezebel, how long is Hillary Clinton? She was the First Lady of Arkansas to the First Lady of America. Her rise with her husband was 22 years. Then how long does she go on? She goes on for 12 years. She’s Senator and she’s Secretary of State. Then she retires from public life for two years, if you read, then she comes back for two years to campaign for the presidency. Well that comes out to 14 years. So you have 22 years, you have 14 years. Look up at Jezebel and put it together. Jezebel was with her husband reigning for 22 years. She went on for how long, 14 years, the exact same thing. The exact same.


MICHAEL BROWN: All right. So what is coming next and as you understand this paradigm, do we have hope for the future?


JONATHAN CAHN: Okay. First of all, yes, in the paradigm there’s something called about the days to come. Actually, the paradigm actually converges with the harbinger because it’s the same setting. The first thing, what’s happened is now this is a window. According to the paradigm, this is a window like a reprieve where we have a chance for revival. We have a chance. You know, it just depends what we do with it. But there’s a whole thing about the future in there. We have one minute to go so I’m just going to say this. So yes, we are at a dangerous period. There is a warning in the paradigm, actually what Jehu does or doesn’t do, but there is also a chance. There is something in the paradigm called the Elijah paradigm and that is, it actually contains the keys for believers right now. What are we to do? How are we to live? How are we to overcome? How can there be revival? That’s in the Elijah paradigm because Elijah is in this, too, and that’s the final part. So there is hope. As long as there’s God, there’s hope, but it’s, the thing is that we’ve got to be like Elijah. The days of easy Christianity are over. We have to be radical. We have to be bold. We have to be on fire. We have to stand up for the truth and God will use it. God will anoint the Elijahs of the day.


MICHAEL BROWN: All right Jonathan, I need you to pray right now for the rising of that Elijah spirit among the people of God.


JONATHAN CAHN: Okay. Lord, we just ask your hand on this nation, Father. We thank you that you’re never finished. We thank you, Lord that you have promised revival if we will come before you. Father, we ask for the spirit of Elijah to come upon this nation, come upon the church, come upon the one listening. Lord, take away the spirit of timidity and, Lord, give a spirit of boldness, of confidence, of Elijah, Lord. Help us to be, Lord, these are the days of Elijah. Help us to be the Elijahs of the day. Help us to rise up and, Lord, we pray let there be revival in the land. Let there be revival in Washington, revival in the coast land, revival in the cities. Let there be revival, Lord. Come soon and have your way. We praise you in the name of the Yeshua Hamashiach, Jesus the Messiah, the Lord of all. Amen.


MICHAEL BROWN: Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Friends, here’s the bottom line. These are urgent times, but there is hope. God, start the revival with you and with me. It’s time.

Our Guest Jeff Jansen

SID: Jeff, in 2003, you had an angelic encounter that catapulted you into a whole new place in God. Tell me about it.


JEFF: Well Sid, I had already been moving in miracles, always doing ministry, but I dedicated a season of my life just to be able to press into the Lord because I wanted to go higher. I wanted something fresh from the Lord. So it was a season of prayer. And one night I went to bed after soaking in the presence of God, listening to music and prayer, contemplative. I was laying in my bed asleep and I was awakened by the blast of a trumpet. Two angels stood at the foot of my bed blowing silver trumpets in my face. I knew exactly what the John the Revelator said, in the presence of God he felt like he was a dead man in the presence of this supernatural being. That’s what I felt like. What came out of that encounter, I was taken into a place in Heaven and in this place in Heaven it was like a map room, a room of intercession. It was a map room where angels and people were praying for what God was going to release on the earth before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. We were talking about that Glory generation. I came back, everything changed in my ministry. Things were happening that I didn’t have a grid for.


SID: You know what, I believe you became a forerunner of what’s coming. That’s what it sounds like.


JEFF: Yes. I didn’t know what was happening. I was seeing gold teeth. Gemstones started appearing. Creative miracles began to manifest in the meeting. I didn’t even know how to explain it, but something tangible, something new.


SID: And by the way, you were at a meeting, you were one of my speakers and it was a funny story. This woman got a gold tooth, and I had her and her husband come on the platform, and I said to her husband, “Are you sure she didn’t have a gold tooth before?” And he’s kind of very tight with money. It was so funny. He said, “I’d never pay for a gold tooth.” Okay, so you’re in this new place, and I mean, you really didn’t even have a grid for these things to happen.


JEFF: You know, there’s no precedence for it in the Scripture. I mean, where do you find gold teeth in the Scripture? But it’s not about gold teeth. The ministry of signs and wonders just began to automatically happen. Signs and wonders happen. “These attesting signs [follow them] that believe,” Mark 16:17. Signs and wonders are normal and natural. Jesus moved in signs and wonders. He had Peter go down to the Sea of Galilee. “The first fish you take out pull a coin out its mouth.” He moved in odd, different kinds of ways.


SID: You call it radical anointings, and is this what you mean that Acts 2 is talking about when the “Spirit of God is coming on all flesh?”


JEFF: Yes, absolutely. It says, Acts 2:17, “I will pour out my spirit upon all mankind. Your sons and your daughters will prophesy.” So automatically signs and wonders, they start prophesy. And then it says, “I’ll show signs in the heavens and on the earth with these prophetic people as an outpouring happens.” And the end result is, Verse 21, for Acts 2:21, for 2021, is, “It will come to pass in that day that whosoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”


SID: Wait a second. Whosever will be saved, but what you said that most people miss is that God is pouring his spirit on all flesh.


JEFF: All flesh. That’s why everybody can do it. That’s why you’re feeling the presence of the Holy Spirit right now. You’re feeling it right now. I feel the draw right now. Some of you are saying, you know what, it’s not just for Jeff Jansen, it’s not just for Sid Roth, it’s for me as well. God is going to pour out his spirit upon all flesh. You can move prophetically through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The end result is signs and wonders happen, and it will come to pass that when this generation moves in signs, wonders and miracles, which I believe is this last day’s generation, “Whosoever in that day will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”


SID: That word “saved” in the Greek means healed, delivered.


JEFF: That’s right, “sozo”.


SID: Intimacy with God. And you know what, someone like Jeff, years, years seeking God, it’s going to be like, boom.


JEFF: Instantaneous.


SID: Instant.


JEFF: Instantaneous.


SID: Okay, tell me, because this is so critical for you, the key for moving in the Glory.


JEFF: Every time I had a visitation, Sid, moving in the Glory of God, is because I was pressing in. I was worshiping.


SID: You’re a song leader. Come on now, it’s easy for you to worship God in song, but how about me? I can’t carry a tune.


JEFF: Worship is not about singing a song. Worship is not about how well you sing. Worship is an attitude and a posture of heart.


SID: In other words, it doesn’t even have anything to do with singing.


JEFF: It has nothing to do with singing.


SID: That’s why I wanted you to hear.


JEFF: It’s the posture of the heart. You present yourself before the Lord. You give yourself to God. That’s worship. That’s worship. And those that do that, I’m telling you what, the Scripture says this: “You O Lord are enthroned upon the praises of your people.” When we praise, when we give him our heart the throne comes down, and where the throne is, the king is. Where the king is there’s a government. Where the government is there’s the angelic realm. His government rests down upon the praising, worshiping saint.


SID: So you’re saying that when we worship it literally creates an avenue, it creates that ladder to Heaven.


JEFF: Exactly.


SID: That’s Jacob’s angels coming up. That’s what’s happening when we are worshippers.


JEFF: That’s exactly right. I’ll share a quick little story. I was in Tanzania a while back doing a campaign, and there were 80,000 people on the last night.


SID: Little campaign.


JEFF: Little campaign, 80,000 people there. Most of them were Muslim and the Lord said, “Jeff, you get these people to shout praises to me and I will do great miracles.” My job was at being a cheerleader, getting the people to shout praises to Jesus Christ in Tanzania. And when we shouted the Glory of God came down, instantaneous miracles, mass deliverance. People were dropping all over the field because of the power of God. The Lord said, “You just get them to praise me and I’ll heal them.” And they got healed, the Glory of God fell on them, they got healed and then they got saved.


SID: I have to tell you, I read about what happened to you in Tanzania and about the shell. In my last two meetings I had people shout and the same thing happened. There’s a power in the shout. But I want you to nail what worship is right now, with the people.


JEFF: Worship is not about how you sing. It’s not about how well you sing. Worship is an attitude of the heart. You know, the Scripture says that “God is the rewarder of those who diligently and hotly pursue him.” I tell you what, if you make the Lord your pursuit, if you make the Lord your first priority he will come upon you, he will come after you. You think you’re going after God, he is hunting you down. And I believe that God is looking to hunt you down. You’re hungry right now. Worship is key to just receiving everything that God has for you and it’s not about singing, it’s about your heart. So right now just give your hearts to the Lord. “Set your affections on things above,” the Scripture says, “Set your heart on the Lord. Set your affections on him.” When you do that he will answer you. There is an impartation that God will give to everybody, and even now an impartation to you as you’re listening to what I’m telling you right now.


SID: I’m going to tell you what I know. I’m just in the presence of God as Jeff is speaking. I’m hearing words of knowledge, people. But there are going to be so many people healed, but I want Jeff to pray an impartation over your life to be hungry for God and receive the Glory of God, which he does all the time on media, and it goes right to the set or the computer. Be right back.

Our Guest Rod Parsley

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. What would cause a man that has seen thousands of miracles under his ministry, whose mother was actually healed at a Kathryn Kuhlman service, kind of raised with Oral Roberts, Kathryn Kuhlman, a diet of that. When he gets life-threatening cancer, to resort to the best prayer he knows and the best medicine he knows rather than just prayer alone. I’m going to ask Pastor Rod Parsley why in just a moment. Now Pastor Rod has been ministering for four decades. He pastors one of the most dynamic ministries in the country. And many years ago at the age of 27, he had an open vision, and I have to believe that when you went through what you just went through that no one should have to do it.

ROD: Yes.

SID: You were reminded of that vision.

ROD: I was, Sid. First of all, thanks for having me. I like to be right in the middle of things that are supernatural and I know that you do as well. In 1984, when I was standing on the platform of our church and the entire back wall of the sanctuary, we call it a tabernacle, disappeared. Suddenly I saw a scene play out before my very eyes. It was more real than the camera I’m looking at right now, and God entered that scene. I saw what I recognized to be the presence of Satan himself. As my eyes went upward I saw a crown upon his head. The skyline of that crown was my home city, Columbus, Ohio, twinkling like stars in the heaven where the lights in the buildings wrapped around his head. And suddenly a sword appeared. It made three revolutions, smote the enemy against the back of his knees. He fell over to the side and that crown rolled off his head, and suddenly as if you would zip a zipper, it was gone. The back wall was back and I began to shout out of my spirit, I began to shout, “I’m brave enough, I’m strong enough to pick up that crown and place it on the head of our savior.” Well now at 60, God said I’m about to enter, “You’re about to enter your third phase of Gospel ministry. I’m going to place a seven times greater anointing on you for healing, deliverance and salvation of the people of God.” And I said, “I’ll take it.”

SID: Your voice was tried to silence, but you I heard you say something good. I heard you say that now it’s seven times the anointing on your voice.

ROD: Amen.

SID: Seven times.

ROD: Amen. I’m going to reach seven times more people. It’s going to reach seven times more souls for the Kingdom, seven times more healings, seven times more demonstration of signs and wonders, and miracles.

SID: Now I’m going to take you back and I want you to tell me what happened. It was the month of June 2015.

ROD: Yes.

SID: You were shocked to your core. What happened?

ROD: I was. I had a little bit of a sore throat, which when you live in Ohio and you’re baptized in pollen several times a year, you know. So my general practitioner, he said, “Well I don’t see anything, but this has been going on long enough, I think we need to have you scoped.” So I saw the surgeon and he said, “Yes, there’s something there.” And he scheduled an appointment to go ahead and have vocal chord surgery. Well I called my team together and my precious wife Joni got in the middle of that meeting and produced a little piece of paper. She said, “God spoke to me that the enemy was going to attack your voice with cancer.” Yes.

SID: And so she probably didn’t want to tell you because she didn’t want to put power behind it.

ROD: No she didn’t, exactly. So she didn’t tell me. She began to pray. She said, “But now that I’ve seen this manifest, you are not,” she gave me a word of knowledge, “you are not to have surgery.” And I found out later had I had that surgery my vocal chords in all probability would have been irreversibly damaged and I probably never would have preached again.

SID: So from now on you’re going to listen to your wife.

ROD: I’m going to listen to her. Happy wife, happy life.

SID: Now there are many people that would say, well that’s a lack of faith to have medicine and prayer. What would you say to them?

ROD: I would say this: God the Holy Spirit, I believe that every good thing comes from our Father. I believe that, Sid, with all my heart. I do not believe that God gives people sickness and disease to teach them. However, I do believe that in the process we are all taught.

SID: Now you told me that you knew instantly this wasn’t something natural, this was demonic.

ROD: Yes.

SID: It was the devil.

ROD: Absolutely.

SID: So what was your strategy?

ROD: Well I’ve always believed that we need to treat sickness and disease, and shake it like a rat terrier shakes a mouse, that we should treat it like a rattle snake in the floor board of our automobile. It’s not of God. It’s not of God’s Kingdom. We live in a cursed planet. When our son Austin, our only son, was three years of age we received the diagnosis of a life sentence, autism. He was to never go to school, never read a book. My wife and I pulled the van over to the side of the highway and we said, “God, what do you want us to do?” And he said, “You know what to do. Get my Word on it. Attack it spiritually. Attack it in the natural and attack it with a seed.” And I said, “I’m going to do all three.” And my son just graduated from college with a 4.0 grade point average. Now when I was attacked, all of those naysayers started eating at me, and some of you have had, in fact, I’m speaking to hundreds right now who have had a diagnosis and you feel like it is a lack of faith for you to take a medication, for you to see a doctor. Let me tell you what to do. Do what I did. Attack it every way you can. When you are in the middle of the battle and the enemy of your soul is threatening to take away the multitude of souls that are in for God’s Kingdom, the thousands of people that will be healed today as we pray together, when he wants to stop all that, when he’s coming in the trenches after you, grab whatever weapon is at your disposal. The important thing is give all the glory to God because he’s going to bring you out.

SID: I like that. Now you did, you attacked, if you can just briefly tell me the four things you did, and I might add, you are still doing.

ROD: I’m still doing. Sid, God spoke to me, Proverbs 4:20 was the first scripture that he gave me when I received that diagnosis. Proverbs 4:20: “My son, I’m his. He identifies with me.” The Lord Jesus identifies with you when he taught you to pray “Our Father”. He’s not just Jesus’s Father, he’s your Father. Our Father. “My son, attend to my words. Incline your ear to my sayings for they are life to you.” And I studied that out. It actually says they are medicine to all your flesh. And God said to me, “You take it and you take it twice a day for two hours in the morning and two hours in the evening. You speak my Word.” And then he said, “Get a prayer cloth. Touch and agree.” If any two on Earth agree, as we’re going to do in just a few moments with you, touching anything that we shall ask, it shall be done for us by our Father which is in Heaven. Number three: receive Holy Communion every single day. Remember that Christ is in you and you are in him, as he is in the Father, and the Father is in him. And number four: use the Jehovah names of God. Seven times greater anointing is going to be released to you this very day. In fact, I speak to you now under the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ, and I say to every cancer cell to die in your body now and for a living life giving cell to replace it. I command that you have no negative side effects from any treatment or medication, or supplement that may be given to you. I stand before you now, sitting here in this chair. They did 28 radiation treatments. My throat had third degree burns inside and outside.

SID: How many side effects did you have?

ROD: Zero.

SID: That’s what I thought.

ROD: Zero. I rebuke those side effects from chemotherapy. I rebuke the side effects of radiation treatment. I declare and decree by the power of the Word of God that his holy anointing breaks through to you now and sets you free, spirit, soul and body.

SID: What was the final report on that horrific life-threatening cancer that you had?
ROD: Absolutely cancer-free.

SID: Wow! We’ll be right back with Pastor Rod Parsley and a message that had he not been healed you would never hear.

Our Guest Art Thomas

SID: Art, you talk about a lot about mental barriers. Give us some examples.


ART: Yes. I mean, we already talked about the hope deferred thing that happens to so many of us. Another one is judging people based on their merit, and that could be in the positive or the negative, you know. Sometimes we come at this saying, you know, Lord, this person has been so faithful. They’ve loved you so many years. There’s such a faithful minister, whatever. What we’re really doing is saying, God, don’t you see all the wonderful things they did to earn their healing? And our emphasis is all on their action and not Jesus’s action. It also works in the negative. It’s like with your family, it’s a lot harder.


SID: You know they’re backslidden. So you say, you’ve never healed them.


ART: Yes. If I’m on the street and someone says to me, I got diabetes, I’m like, come on, diabetes, get out, pancreas, function well, right. When your loved one that you know and you know their lifestyle says I got diabetes, you’re thinking, lay off the Twinkies, man, it’s your own fault. Right? Yeah.


SID: So what should I, all right, you know that let’s suppose you know someone’s even in sin. You know that. How does it affect how you pray?


ART: Well it’s not about me. It’s not about them. See, James 5 says that, “The prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well. The Lord will raise him up. If he sinned he’ll be forgiven.” So there’s a provision there. If their sickness came as a result of sin, the forgiveness is automatic. It happens right away.


SID: Now many people say it’s a lack of faith if you go to a doctor. It’s a lack of faith if you take medicine. What do you say?


ART: Well first of all, the irony is if I don’t believe it’s God’s will to heal, then why am I going to the doctor? That’s fighting against God’s will. So medicine is only going to work with a theology that says God wants me well.


SID: What do I say to the people that write me often, maybe it’s you, okay, you believe in healing, Sid. Why do you wear glasses?


ART: You know, my experience should not trump what the scripture says. So you know, we can make a theology out of the things we haven’t seen or we can make a theology out of Jesus who perfectly revealed the Father. And I think that makes a lot more sense. So like I said, I was struggling with degenerative disk disease for a year and a half watching other people get healed until I had my own miracle. What I say is, listen, what I’m telling you, what I’m believing, what I’m preaching is what the Word of God says regardless of my experience. I refuse to be a disciple of disappointment because then I can only reproduce disappointment. I have to be a disciple of Jesus so that I can reproduce Jesus.


SID: I want you to reach deep and pray whatever the Spirit of God tells you.


ART: Right now I’m seeing a picture of a right arm, and I’m actually, there’s a green sleeve around it. I’m not sure if that means anything to someone who’s watching right now. But whatever it is that’s going on with your right arm, I speak life and wholeness to it right now in Jesus’ name. And just try to move that, see if anything’s changed. Yes, I’m also hearing, hearing loss, specifically left ear, but really, Jesus paid the price for both ears. So if you’ve got hearing loss of any kind I tell those ears to open up right now in Jesus’ name. Throat conditions, in fact, there’s like a throat cancer, throat, some sort of laryngitis or something, things that are going on in the throat. We tell those things to stop. Thyroid, there’s like a nodule on someone’s thyroid that’s been swollen up and we tell that to shrivel up right now. Peace to you in Jesus’ name. If anyone has Crohn’s disease like I used to have, we tell Crohn’s to get out and never come back. I speak peace to your digestive system right now. Every sickness, every disease, every spirit of infirmity, I tell you to leave and never come back in the name of Jesus. Now if you can safely do it, test out those conditions. Try to do something you couldn’t do and let us know what happens.


SID: Well I’m going to tell you what’s going to happen. You are going to not look back anymore. I can tell you that it’s a new beginning for you. God is pure love and he wants you to know him, know him, and have Jesus come inside of you and be your Lord, and say, Lord, I want to have experiential knowledge of you in Jesus’ name. Amen.

Our Guests Hank Kunneman, Richard Roberts

SID: You know, during the break, Richard, God spoke to you. What did he say?


RICHARD: Thank you. Thank you, Lord. Your eardrum is opening right now in the name of Jesus. Deafness is leaving. There’s a person, you’ve had a terrible, it’s a man, you’ve had a terrible problem with varicose on your right leg and those veins are just going flat right now. And then the other word I got, there’s a tumor, this person has a tumor on the left side of your back and you’ve been diagnosed with skin cancer as well as there is cancer in the tumor, and that tumor is just dissolving now. And someone is going to go back to the doctor and find out the cancer is gone and you’ll be testifying to Sid and letting him know and the staff know what God is doing. I release that into your life now.


HANK: And you’ve also been out of work, and because of that cancer you’ve been out of work. And the Spirit of God says not only is a work of restoration for your body, but it is a work of restoration that you’ll get your life back including your job and resources shall soon be released, too.


SID: You were minding your own business one day, walking your dog and a cloud shows up. What happened?


HANK: This happened to me last summer. I have two German Shepherd dogs. And if you know anything about German Shepherds they’re very high-energy dogs. As I was walking it was a very bright and sunny day. I feel like Brother Hagin used to say it was a bright and sunny day. But it was a very bright and sunny day. There wasn’t a cloud in the sky. And I was walking my two German Shepherds, and all of a sudden I looked up above some trees and I thought they were on fire, and a Glory cloud appears. And all of a sudden my dogs sat down. They were at attention and the Spirit of God spoke out of the clouds, and here’s what he said. He said, “Hank, I am going to make this nation great again.” But then he said this, he said, “This is my saying.” He said, “What does a nation look like filled with Glory?” I couldn’t answer him. I started weeping. I said, “God, I don’t the answer to the question you just asked me.” He said, “Watch. I’m about to show you and others because my Glory is coming upon this earth and it’s coming fast.” And it’s for the healing of the nation, and signs, wonders and miracles.


SID: What would that look like to you?


RICHARD: It would look like to me after something that happened in one of my dad’s crusades years ago. There was a night, and my father would tell the story if he were here, where in about a 14-minute span everyone he prayed for was healed. And the next day we came out to the tent and picked up arm loads of crutches and canes, and walkers, and ear pieces, and contraptions of all types and description, and the Glory of God came into that tent.


SID: You said to me when we were talking on the phone that when the prophetic and the healing ministry combine it’s greater than either one by itself. Tell me what you mean by that.


RICHARD: When you join together and you’re seeing the gifts of the Spirit operating in tandem, and that’s what Hank and I saw as we received your invitation to come here to be on this program, we saw the gift of prophecy and the gifts of healing, and the word of knowledge flowing in tandem together. I saw that in the spiritual realm. I saw a word of prophecy and then a word of knowledge, and then a word of knowledge and a word of prophecy. I saw it going back and forth, and we saw just a moment ago when I gave a word about cancer, suddenly he gave a word about a job. That’s what’s happening and that’s what God is doing. And as it happens the Glory of God falls.


HANK: The Lord said a lot of the anger and the bickering, and the fighting that’s going on right now, especially in the United States, is whenever Jesus showed up he had the Spirit without measure. He carried the Glory. The enemy would throw himself on the ground, they would protest, act violently because of the Glory that was moving in upon Jesus. The Glory is moving in among this nation and the earth. Whether we like it or not, whether we agree with it, we will not be able to stop it. You know what a nation looks like filled with Glory? Watch the Supreme Court when all of a sudden God establishes, like you said, righteousness and rightness on hearts. And we’ve got Supreme Court justices that will rule 6-3, 7-2 in favor of the Lord and what he desires. Watch as prayer comes back to our schools and they begin to declare the name of Yeshua cross this nation. For a season God is going to use Israel. Why? Because God’s Glory is coming from there. In fact, Israel, listen, Spirit of God says, “It was from you, you Israel, that a savior came to bring salvation and to bring healing. And this is my promise to you, Israel, that from you is coming a healing bomb as discoveries are being accelerated now to bring cures to those things that they said there is no cure. Watch from Israel. It shall be declared,” says the Lord.


RICHARD: We’re going to see tremendous healing among children.


HANK: Yes.


RICHARD: Many of you watching right now, you have children, you have sons and daughters, you have grandchildren, you have great-grandchildren. Some of them have been very ill. There is healing coming to children.


SID: I want you to reach out to God now, hear his voice, be his voice. Do you need deliverance? Do you need healing? Release your faith. Be healed.