Our Guests Ken & Trudi Blount

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I am mad with a godly anger over what the devil is doing to marriages, what the devil is doing to children. I am angry and my guest has come up with a supernatural way to devil-proof our families. Do you want to know this? Me, too. I don’t know how you two survived. What were you, 17, and how old?


KEN: Nineteen.


SID: Seventeen and 19, you get married. You don’t know God. You were sabotaged from the get-go. You should have never survived.


KEN: No.




KEN: We heard that the word around town was those two will never make it.


TRUDI: Right.


SID: And then you became, how did you become an alcoholic.


KEN: Well I didn’t want to, but my dad was an alcoholic and I hated it when I watched him growing up. But then I fell into it, and by the time I’m 19, I’m drinking on a daily basis.


SID: So Trudi, you came to the end of yourself. Tell me about that.


TRUDI: Right. Well you know, like every girl, I’ve known him since I was 12 years old, so we grew up together. And I thought he would be the answer to all my prayers, you know, the knight in shining armor. And we hadn’t been married six months, and I could tell that things were not going well. It was in the middle of the Vietnam War. We were newly married. We were having a hard time making a living and that’s a lot of the reasons he began to drink, I think. It was just having a new bride and he’s fearful. But it just seemed like he came home every night and he would begin to drink and there was no communication because [he’d] forget everything you’d talk to [him] about. And I never had felt so alone in all my life. And so that night I cried out to God, and I just said, “If you don’t show me that you’re real I’ll never walk in the door of a church again and I’m not going to serve you anymore.” And the very next morning when I woke up, there were people at my door with beautiful feet that began to share the Gospel with me, and it was my sister and my brother-in-law.

KEN: And they told you about Jesus.


TRUDI: Yes. They began to talk to me about Jesus. And in fact, my eyes were swollen. My brother-in-law just said this, he said, “Do you believe God could heal your eyes?” And I don’t know why I said it, I just said, “Yes, I do.” He said, “Can we talk to you about something that happened to us.” I said, “Yes, please.” They had gone to the dentist and this dentist was a man that was saved and filled with the Holy Spirit, and he began to witness to them and got them filled with the Spirit there at the dentist office, and it changed their life completely. And when I heard about it, I just said, “I want that. How do I get it?” And they said, “Well, we’re not really sure, but we’ll pray with you.” And so I remember I was in my living room and it’s still the sweetest thing to me to remember. You know, I’ll never get over being saved, ever. And I prayed and asked Jesus into my heart. And then, I said I want that other thing, which is not a thing. It’s a person, but I didn’t know that then. I want the Holy Spirit. And they said, “Well we’re not quite sure how to pray with you about that, but just ask him.” So I remember I reached my hands towards Heaven and I began to just beg, “God, please fill me with your Spirit.” And my sister tapped me on the shoulder and she said, “Well I know one thing. I don’t know a lot, but I know one thing. You don’t have to beg him for anything. He wants you to have this.” So I remember I lifted my hands towards the Lord and I was trying to speak in English, and the next thing I know this beautiful language began to roll out of me.


KEN: When I got home that night, you can imagine, she was so joyful, she had been crying, and I thought, what’s going on. And she told me, “I’ve been saved and filled with the Holy Spirit.” And she thought I would immediately want to jump in, but I said, “No, I don’t think I want that.”


SID: Why?


KEN: I thought God was mad at me, Sid. I thought, see, Trudi is sweet and wonderful, but I know what kind of guy I am.


SID: Okay. So God adds a little bit more. You have a marvelous healing.


KEN: You grew up with crossed eyes.


TRUDI: Right.


KEN: Took a fall when she was a little four-year-old girl that triggered a birth defect and caused her eyes to cross.


SID: Couldn’t surgery help?


TRUDI: I had three surgeries in my lifetime and they would try to cosmetically fix it. But because it was a birth defect, it would always go back.


SID: I see.

KEN: It was incurable.


TRUDI: Yes, it’s incurable.


KEN: But one night at a home prayer meeting somebody said, “Trudi, would you like us to pray for your eyes?” She said yes. So they prayed for her and within an hour, she looked in the mirror. She took her glasses off. Something was going on with her eyes. She looked in the mirror and her eyes were totally straight. And she threw her glasses away. Her vision was 20/20.


SID: Okay. That had to push you over, Ken.


KEN: You can imagine.


SID: So you became a believer immediately.


KEN: She came home. I wasn’t there. I walked in the door. She said, “Look at my eyes.” And I knew what she was going to tell me. Her eyes were straight. I knew the trouble she had with her eyes and I thought God is after me, but I still wasn’t ready.


SID: Now Trudi, I understand, is doing some secret work. She’s laying hands on the bed to get you to be, what were you doing?


TRUDI: Actually, he’s drinking. So he went to sleep real sound every night. So when he would fall asleep, about the only scripture I knew was that when you pray in the spirit you pray a perfect prayer. And I thought, I don’t know what he needs, but the Holy Spirit does. So I would wait until he fell asleep and I would just put my hands on his back, and just pray in the Spirit until I fell asleep.


SID: Secret. Sneaky.




KEN: That’s a sneaky thing to do for somebody that’s running from God.


SID: Okay. So you’re still running. You’re on your way to run to a liquor store to get some more alcohol.


KEN: Which was [unintelligible].


SID: But something happened.


KEN: Well I’m driving down the road and I was thinking about conversation that her prayers were working. And Sid, the Lord, the only way I know how to say it is the Lord filled the car. I knew God was there. I heard God speak and I heard the Lord say to me, “I love you.” And then he said this: “I want to help you.” Then the third statement he said, “Why don’t you ask me to help you.” And there’s so much in those three things. God loves everybody. God wants to help everybody, but God can’t unless we invite him in. Now I didn’t immediately do that, but within a few days, I was in our living room and I got right with God.


[voice over] Please, God, forgive my sins. Please make me a new man.


SID: You know, the devil knew they were going to do something powerful. He gave him a black eye.




SID: They were going to devil-proof the family. And so he threw everything he could think of at them, but they threw back. Do you remember, you might have seen the Gospel Bill television show? Well guess who was Nicodemus? You’re looking at him, Nicodemus. And thousands of children, a whole generation of children came to the Lord, were encouraged in the Lord because of what they did. They persevered. But I want them to teach you how to devil-proof your family, your marriage, your children. We’ll be right back.

Our Guest Sid Roth

SID: So I told my friend, Rabbi Jonathan Bernis, and I told him what’s going on in Israel. This is what he said to me: “Sid, it’s just like the old days. They’re back.” Something happened that is beyond my comprehension, really and truly. We had an event in Tel Aviv, Israel that was beyond, beyond the pale. This is Israel. This is where it all started. This is where it’s all going to finish. This is God’s land. I want you to see God’s hand on his ancient Jewish people what he just did in Tel Aviv, Israel.


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SID: I wish I could have taken all of you to Tel Aviv, Israel, a few days ago. Something happened and I have been an investigative reporter of the supernatural for over 40 years. I have never heard of this. I mean, the greatest giants of the healing ministries, I have never heard of what just happened in Tel Aviv, Israel. Thirty-three buses pulled in to the hall that we rented, jam-packed with unsaved Jewish Israelis. Why were they coming? Because I was doing a lecture on the supernatural and I promised miracles. Between you and me I can’t heal anyone. But when God shows up, all things are possible. And God showed up. We had the shofar blast by a Messianic Jewish rabbi, cleared out the atmosphere and almost immediately as I started speaking, words of knowledge flowed and I said, “Everyone that received a healing, hold up your hand.” And approximately a thousand of the 1800 people that were there raised their hand. They were instantly healed. Now once these Jewish people were healed, and again, in 40 years of investigating miracles, in a matter of seconds, I have never seen a thousand people physically healed. God must be in a hurry, not just a thousand people. These are unsaved Jewish people. No one is going to exaggerate. If anything, they’ll exaggerate the other way. And then at the end of the meeting I prayed for everyone that wanted a supernatural heart transplant. Just about every one of them stood up and boldly proclaimed Yeshua as their Messiah and Lord, and asked God to give them a new heart, and asked the Messiah of Israel to live inside of them. And then I said King David said, “I lift holy hands to God. Your hands are holy. Lift them to God.” And I was amazed these unsaved Jewish people who had just gotten saved raised both hands. All of them were raising their hands and I prayed for them to be filled with the Holy Spirit. Then they got back on their 33 buses. I might add, we had seven Messianic Jewish congregations partnering with us, bringing the unsaved Jewish people to this event. And on the buses we passed out a brand new booklet called, “Where Do Rabbis Go When They Die?” It is powerful, but they have all the scriptures that I had spoken about and a lot more in this booklet to take home with them. And on the bus home, because we had two workers on every bus, on the bus home, this was the report I got. So many of them were amazed that they were physically healed and they all were saying, “I feel such peace.”


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SID: Do you know God’s kingdom keeps coming. He just topped it. He just topped what you just heard. It’s hard to believe, but there is a television network that covers every home in Israel that has a television, every home, on the basic package, meaning you’ve got my network whether you like it or not. But it also covers the entire Middle East. Can I show you the inside workings of METV, Middle East Television.


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Recently, Joel Nori, the president of METV, Middle Eastern Television, took a tour of the offices where the Gospel is broadcast to the countries of Israel and the Middle East.


Joe Nori: As I entered the offices of METV, I was overtaken by the fact that we as a Messianic Jewish ministry were now given the privilege to take this network to the next level, bringing the Gospel to every home in Israel and to the Middle East. With a full staff already in place in these state of the art facilities, we are in preparation to bring new anointed TV programming that will be relevant to the nations where the Gospel once flourished and was disseminated to the world. You are looking at the master control room. I refer to this as command central. This is where the programs are made ready for on-air broadcasts. It demands a team of people who monitor the signal that is transmitted to over 25 nations via satellite, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.


SID: God has made METV, the Middle East Television Network available to us to bring the supernatural of God and the Gospel to both Jewish and Muslims in the Middle East.


Joel Nori: Here you see the dubbing of programs in the languages that the Middle East people can relate to. We will also be able to do live supernatural programming from our Charlotte, North Carolina studio facilities to bring timely messages to a potential audience of over 150 million. From this control room, the broadcast signal of METV and now ISN, the It’s Supernatural Network, are both transmitted from satellite dishes on the roof to 25 nations in the Middle East, Africa and Europe. The Gospel is again being broadcast out to the nations through METV.


Isaiah 2:3: “And many people shall go and say come ye and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob and he will teach us his ways and we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion shall go forth the Law and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem.”


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SID: Here is my prophetic spin as to what’s going on right now. He started with the Jew to reach the Gentile. The Gentiles have carried the baton. Just before he returns, Jewish people are going to be raised up as fiery presenters of the Good News to the world and there will be an army linked up of one people, one God, one Spirit. I ask you unashamedly send me through Middle East Television. Send me. We’ve distributed three million God-birthed evangelistic, Jewish evangelistic books to mostly Jewish people throughout the world. Send me to do lectures on the supernatural. And there is a day coming, I had a dream about it, maybe you’ve never thought about this before. You’ve heard of Academy Awards night. This is Academy Rewards night. Here is what God says. He says in First Samuel, chapter 30, verse 24, “But as his part is who goes down to battle,” I’m going down to battle, “so shall his part be who stays by the supplies. They shall share alike.” So at Academy Rewards night those that are partnering with me, when the envelope is ripped and it’s pulled out your name is going to be there.

Our Guest Sid Roth

SID: You know, those early days in the former Soviet Union were preparing and equipping me for what has happened since. I started, rather than using Jewish music as the mode of expression, I started doing lectures on the supernatural. I started advertising, “Sid Roth has studied 20 years, the paranormal and he’s coming one night only to Boca Raton, Florida.” I did this all over the world in Jewish communities and many people that would attend these lectures, I advertised, would be healed in their seats. And in those days God started, he just started a miracle that I had never seen anyone do before, and that is Jewish people that have no grid for miracles, so to speak, started getting miracles the minute I started speaking. And then the same results I had in St. Petersburg I started having in any city of the U.S. or any city of the world. You know, Paul understood it when he said the Jew requires a sign. And I think that’s one reason that the church has been crippled in sharing the Good News with Jewish people because we don’t operate in our inheritance. That’s why we have our television show It’s Supernatural. But I want to take you to one of my recent lectures on the supernatural and the lecture happened in one of my favorite cities outside of Israel, of course, Odessa, Ukraine. And in Odessa, we didn’t know it at the time, I just guess I wasn’t thinking, it was scheduled for Halloween night. And in Odessa, there are more witches, and I mean this, per square inch, than almost any city I know of. Well we had our meeting and there was an increase in the miraculous. And I’ll show you something in this segment that even today it’s hard for me to believe it happened. But let me take you into our lecture in the supernatural in Odessa, Ukraine.


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In Odessa, Ukraine, on October 31, 2015, where 1000 unsaved Jewish people came, 500 of them testified that they were healed. As a result of witnessing the supernatural of God that day, 990 of the 1000 came to know Yeshua as their Messiah and Lord.


SID: I wish you had been where I was tonight. I’m in Odessa, Ukraine. Every other person in Odessa has Jewish ancestry and we had one of my lectures on the supernatural. I’m speaking to you, I just finished a few minutes ago and I’m in a historic hotel that I’m staying in, and I’ve never seen what happened tonight. You see, unlike a lot of people that have evangelistic meetings, ours is 100 percent Jewish people who do not know Jesus and if I don’t have miracles, because I call it a lecture on the supernatural, I’m in trouble. I spoke for over an hour tonight. One thousand unsaved Ukrainian Jews came to this meeting. I have never, and this is before God, I have never seen so many people raise their hand that they were physically healed. I would venture to say close to 50 percent of the people not just raised their hand, they stood up and they said they were healed. When it came to salvation, it was in the 99 percent range of people that stood up and publicly proclaimed that Jesus is their Messiah and Lord.


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SID: Okay, that was Ukraine. But what about Israel? What about Israel? I started going meetings in Israel. I did two lectures on the supernatural in Jerusalem. I did a lecture in Ashdod. That’s a city that is 100 percent Jewish. I did a lecture in the Galilee. In fact, over the last two years, over 3000 Israeli Jews have made public professions of faith. I tell you the door is open. But I’m going to show you, when we come back, actual visual footage of the most historic meeting proclaiming Yeshua the Jewish Messiah, in Israel, since the Book of Acts. Would you like to see that? Be right back.

Our Guest Hakeem Collins

SID: Hello. Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest says that prophecy is the doorway into the supernatural and he says we all can prophesy, but it gets even more outrageous. God opened up every one of his spiritual senses, meaning he can see into the invisible world. He can hear from the invisible and he says everyone can have their spiritual senses activated and open. Anyone want it? Me, too. So Dr. Hakeem Collins’ father was a Muslim. What type of Muslim was he?

HAKEEM: He was a Sunni Muslim.

SID: And your mother was a non-believer.


SID: And so obviously like any boy you want to please your father. You tried Islam. It just wasn’t for you. Then you had a praying grandmother who took you to church and at age seven, I mean, it was 30 before I knew my left hand from my right hand, spiritually. Age seven, what happened to you?

HAKEEM: My grandmother introduced me to Christ. She introduced me to a church and brought me there. At the time the pastor was a blind man and while I was sitting there at seven years old on the front row, as the pastor was talking about salvation and the messages of Christ and his love, I began to look, and as I gazed I saw an angel standing behind the pastor. And when the pastor would preach, the more the angel appeared, the more the pastor preached with passion and desire. And so at that time I knew, my eyes were opened. I see something different that I never saw before. After seeing this angel I heard an internal voice say, “I’m calling you.” And at that point I knew that it was Jesus.

SID: That is a very sovereign call. You must have had a problem explaining this to your dad.

HAKEEM: Well yeah.

SID: Understatement, yeah.

HAKEEM: At that moment because of the seeker in me, because of what I’ve experienced at seven, I wanted to have this experience. I wanted to know more about Christ. I wanted to know more about it. And so I was introduced to this book by Pastor Gary Westall [sp]. There was a prayer starter in the back of the book that said if you read this prayer and after the prayer, and you ask the Father for the gift, for the baptism of the Spirit then open your mouth and God will fill your lips with his words. And so that’s what I did. I finished the book. It was a short book. After I finished the book I read the prayer and what happened was after that I was activated into something. I opened my mouth, asked God to fill me with the baptism of the Spirit, and when I opened my mouth I began to, now these baby tongues started falling out. They started coming out and it was like I didn’t understand what I was saying, but it was something unique and something different. The power of God, this was real. This was not something, an act. This was not me playing or joking. This was something supernatural.

SID: Now you, out of the mouth of a child, how long did you pray in tongues at that time, would you say?

HAKEEM: At that time, I think I was on the floor shaking and crying, and speaking in baby tongues. I would use it for about an hour and I’d begin while I was on the floor, I literally saw a portal open up. God gave me a vision and I saw this portal open up, and I saw flashes of light moving back and forth, back and forth, and I knew that something supernatural happened to me. It was not something I initiated, but it was something that God initiated. So this is what God desires in this season for us as believers is like a childlike faith, it’s just to trust and believe, and then we can be activated in the realm of the supernatural. That’s what happened to me.

SID: Okay. I don’t even get this at 12, but three-day fast. Did your mother allow you to do that?

HAKEEM: No. I wouldn’t. I mean, I couldn’t believe I did it. I took the scripture literally. I’m 12 years old. I mean, I didn’t understand much of the scripture, but again, I just took it literally, went in the closet for the first day of fast, no food. I did drink water, but I went in there the first day and what happened when I was praying fervently I felt like there was someone else in the room, in the closet with me. I felt this heat. I felt this presence. It’s almost, it was scary because I didn’t know what was going on. This is new to me. And then I literally felt a hand touch my head and this heat shot through my whole body, and I began to weep and cry. The second day the fast I was weak and I was hungry, but I desired more, so I read the Word. Whenever my stomach started to growl I started reading the Word. I started feeding my spirit. I started just naturally, I didn’t understand, but I started feeding my spirit. The second day of the fast I went in the closet. I wanted that same experience and nothing happened until I started praying. When I began to pray literally with my eyes closed I literally, it looked like someone turned the light on in the room, in the closet, this light came. And then I opened my eyes and I literally saw this being, this figure. It was almost like a translucent being with this rainbow color array. And I began to weep and cry, and the light went out, and it became dark in the room in the closet. The third day I wanted the same experience because I wanted the touch. I wanted the vision. I sought after it, went in there and prayed, and when I was praying I literally heard a voice of my mom say, “Hakeem.” And I was kind of scared because I’m like, why I’m in the closet, maybe I’m getting in trouble because I’m in the closet. And I came out of the room, and out of the closet, and my mother wasn’t there. And I was discouraged, and so I went out later on that day. I went to the basketball court where there’s this field and I began to play, and I began to just enjoy myself, and I literally while I was playing I heard a voice of God, thunder voice, I couldn’t explain how loud it was. It was so thunderous, audible, loud, where I began to duck. I’m looking around. What is that I’m seeing, where it frightened me, where I ran back into my room. I ran back and I hid under the covers. And the Lord said, “Hakeem, Hakeem.” And I began to answer, and he said, “Hakeem, I’m calling you. I’m calling you to a powerful ministry. It is I, Jesus that is calling you.” So this thunder-like voice became now a small voice. Now I knew that it was Jesus calling me, and he said, “I’m going to call you to a powerful ministry.”

SID: Now wherever God shows up the devil tries to mess up. And Hakeem, you were raised in a very rough neighborhood.


SID: And you were arrested.


SID: You were taken to jail. But you heard from God.

HAKEEM: I was running from the call. I knew that the prophetic call was there, but God says, I did not call you to a prison ministry. I called you to a prophetic ministry. He said, I did not call you to be caged. I did not call you to be locked down. I called you to move in freedom and liberty, and move in the Spirit. And that’s where the Spirit of the Lord is. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. And at that place I made a decision to answer the call. I made a decision to say, yes Lord, I will obey your word.

SID: But not only did he make that decision he literally changed. I mean, literally changed. We’ll be right back.

Our Guest Judy Franklin

SID: Well Judy, you went to a meeting with someone that’s been a frequent guest on It’s Supernatural, Randy Clark. You went somewhere. Tell me what happened.

JUDY: Yes. I could feel the Lord’s presence very strongly and I thought well the best thing for me to do is lay down somewhere. So I laid down and Jesus came and said, “Would you like to go somewhere?” I said yes. And off we went and we came to this place and stood there, and a portal opened up, and behind this portal was a beautiful garden, just, it was just beautiful, and it was a big portal. And I started at the side, and I was just looking at everything as I went by, and when I got to that side I saw my dad. Nobody could have ever told me.

SID: The one that told you, you were stupid, the one that rejected you.

JUDY: Yes. Nobody could have told me he was in Heaven. I wouldn’t have believed them. And there he was. And my first reaction was, “You’re here!”

SID: Oh no.

JUDY: And he said, “Yes, I just made it.” Well he knew about the Lord, so and he knew he was dying. So any time he could have accepted Jesus, and obviously he did.

SID: So Judy, you saw your dad and you’re surprised he’s there.

JUDY: Yes.

SID: What happened next?

JUDY: I don’t know why, but I started to turn around and he called my name.

Voice of Judy’s Dad: Judy.

JUDY: And he said.

Voice of Judy’s Dad: I am so sorry. You’re beautiful. I love you very much. I am so proud of you.

JUDY: And then the portal closed.

SID: Had he ever said that to you in your life?

JUDY: Never. Never.

SID: Okay. The portal closes. Then what?

JUDY: I looked over at Jesus and my grandmother was standing beside him. Now I knew she was saved. I knew she lived out her life, the rest of her life for the Lord. And she came over to me, and she just said…

Voice of Judy’s Grandmother: I’m so sorry.

JUDY: And then it was over, and I thought, what a loving God. He could have waited until I died and saw my dad and my grandmother, but he wanted, he wants me, he wants everyone so whole and healed from the inside out that he gave me that experience before I even died to know that my dad loves me. Now I know he’s in Heaven. I know my grandmother is in Heaven. I can’t wait in a sense to see him and talk to him.

SID: Well Judy, you say everyone can go to Heaven and you speak on this, and all over people have these heavenly experiences. Tell me a few.

JUDY: Well there was a boy nine years old. His name was Miles and I went and did a session on a Saturday night at his church, and they all had really nice little trips. And the next morning he went to Sunday school and he asked his teacher, can we go back to Heaven. So she had all the kids lay down and led them the same way I did, and he went to Heaven, and Jesus brought him a piece of pizza. And because he was so allergic to dairy, if he put milk on his skin the skin would peel off, so allergic to fruit, anything acidic at all he just absolutely could not eat. His mother took an Epinephrine pen everywhere they went. He’s been air-flighted out of his city to a bigger city for hospital visits. And he, so he told Jesus, “I can’t eat that. You know I’m allergic.” And he said, “If you eat this I’ll heal you.” So he ate it in this heavenly experience. He goes home and he tells his mom what happened. She goes and gets a bowl of pineapple sherbet.

SID: I don’t know if I’d be brave enough to do it. I mean, he could die.

JUDY: He could.

SID: Because he’s allergic, you told me to the dairy and the pineapple.

JUDY: Yes, both. And she’s a woman of great faith. But she did have her pen ready, that Epinephrine pen ready, and he ate the whole bowl. He was totally healed, totally healed. And then I got an email from the pastor about three months later, and the mother didn’t tell anybody, but the child also had diabetes. And the mother said, “If Jesus healed him of that allergy I know he healed him of the diabetes also.” So she weaned him off the insulin, took him back for the checkup and the doctor says, “I don’t understand this, but he doesn’t have diabetes anymore.”

SID: You know, your faith level just soars when you have an experiential knowledge of God. In every area your faith level soars. But tell me about the person that asked you to bring a note to Heaven.

JUDY: Yes. Our senior associate, Chris Vallatton, it was getting around that I was having these trips and all. So he brought a napkin to me where he had written a note to God. It said, “Dear God, this is your son Chris Vallatton. I need some money. Love Chris.”

SID: He really had faith for you to take it to Heaven.

JUDY: I don’t know if he was teasing me or what, but I’m going, oh Chris. And so that night I’m just with the Father, and the Father said, “Where’s the note?” And I went, and it was in my hand.

SID: But you can’t bring anything to Heaven.

JUDY: You can’t.

SID: So how was it in your hand?

JUDY: I don’t know.

SID: I know you don’t know.

JUDY: So I went and gave it to him. And he started reading it, and he threw back his head and started laughing, and he says, “I love Chris so much. He makes me laugh.” And I thought, do you realize when we do funny things he laughs. That just so tickles me that he can do that. And so after it was over he didn’t say anything except that. But the next week, during the next week somebody gave Chris a thousand dollars. I do not take notes. Do not send me your notes!

SID: I was just going to say, any of you want to give her a note to take to Heaven? Oh I see some hands going up. How about you? I believe that there is going to be great miracles that are going to happen as you pray for people to be free of lies and to experience this heavenly visitation. And it is for everyone. You’re sure?

JUDY: Yes, everyone. Father, I pray right now that everybody out there that’s listening to this.

SID: Can I get in on this?

JUDY: Oh yes.

SID: Okay.

JUDY: Everybody out there and in here would have a real experience with you that would experience your love that as they’re sitting there right now, including that lady that’s sitting on her couch in her living room watching this that’s at the very end of her rope, she reminds me of the cat that’s hanging on, that God is going to touch you right now, all of you, with his peace and with his love. And he’s going to give you an invitation, come up here, just like he did John the Revelator. He’s winking his finger at you saying, “Come up here because I want to love you. More than anything I want to love you. I want you to know my love. I want you to be healed on the inside from all the lies that the enemy has told you that are not true.” Even if you have what you think is evidence that it is true, it’s a lie. You are totally, completely loved by God and right now I just release this on all of you. Amen.

SID: This is the beginning of the rest of your life walking in love.

Our Guest Judy Franklin

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest was such a broken, wounded woman. She spent 50 years, 50 years not knowing that God loved her and most of that time was in church. Then she went to Heaven, was hugged by God, sat in God’s lap and found out that she can teach you how to go to Heaven every time she prays and found out she can teach you how to go to Heaven. Anyone interested? You know, many of you as you grew up, you had imperfect parents. You know why they were so imperfect? They had imperfect parents. But it has to stop somewhere. But Judy, you always felt you never measured up. I think it kind of started with the fact that you had a learning disorder. But in your family, the thing that really, really got you, almost sabotaged you from the beginning is you believed a lie.

JUDY: Yes.

SID: Tell me about that.

JUDY: Well my mother was painting our living room and in the kitchen she left a cup down and it had turpentine in it. And I got up from a nap.

SID: How old were you?

JUDY: Oh about three or four. And I drank the turpentine and almost died. They took me to the hospital, pumped my stomach. But after that my grandmother was taking care of us and she put me on her lap, and she told me.

Voice of Judy’s Grandmother: Your mom left the turpentine on purpose because you’re no good.

SID: Why would she say that?

JUDY: She wanted my father to take me away from my mother so my grandmother could raise me.

SID: So you had to live with that lie.

JUDY: Yes.

SID: And I understand you had so much trauma in your life from the learning disability, the special classes, the fact that you think your mother wanted to kill you, which wasn’t true. But you wrote a letter to Dear Abby. What did you write?

JUDY: I asked her why my dad didn’t like me because he treated me so mean. And it didn’t matter what he did, he just didn’t like me. And I asked her why doesn’t my father love me because I try so hard. And my mother found the letter, and she took it to my dad. I honestly thought he’d say, oh I do, she just does dumb stuff. But instead, he bellowed out.

Voice of Judy’s Dad: Maybe I could love her if she wasn’t so stupid.

SID: Whoa.

JUDY: And that was a maybe if she weren’t so stupid. So I didn’t even have, well if you’re not stupid I could love her, but maybe if she weren’t so stupid I could love her.

SID: So she does what everyone else does. They get married and they think it will be like Hollywood and one of the first things her husband says to her, “Look, I only married you so you could cook for me and you could bear my children.” Just out of curiosity, what affect did that have on you?

JUDY: I gave up. I really thought that if I could get married somebody would love me, but that was kind of like the final straw for me that well nobody could love me and I just thought with the help of the enemy telling me more lies that I was just a person that couldn’t be loved. And there was just something about me that nobody could love me, so I lived like that.

SID: Then she had an encounter with what she calls pure love. Tell me about that encounter.

JUDY: Well we had just gotten back from Toronto and I had an experience there.

SID: By the way, Toronto was having a revival-led time and people that went there were overcome with the Spirit of God, had experiences that were life-changing. So you just came back from this life-changing, did you have an experience there?

JUDY: Oh yes. I was worshiping one night. I had my face up and I heard a voice say, “What are you looking up for? I’m right here.” And I looked down and Jesus was standing in front of me and he had his hands out. So I took his hands and I just kept singing to him, and I put both of his hands in mine and then just was caressing his, and I felt the nail scars. And as soon as I recognized what it was, he leaned forward and said…

Voice of Jesus: You see this? I did this for you.

JUDY: Personally, he did it for me. You know how we can all think, oh yeah, he died for everybody, but he personally did it for me just like he personally does it for everybody. So I had come back to Redding and Benny called me up to share, and I have always been afraid of people, so afraid because I didn’t want them to know I was stupid. So if you don’t talk very much then they can never find out. And so she called me up. There were 800 people in the audience and I was walking up there, and I thought, I’m not scared. I’m not scared at all. And I got up there and they were setting up, and I’m looking at all the people, and I thought, that was really strange. But at that time I was delivered of my fear of man of being in front of people, talking to people. So I got done sharing and I would suppose that it was Bill and Beni praying for me. I don’t really remember, but I was down on the floor. And I thought, well, hmmm, what do I do now? I’m down here on the floor on the stage and they’re going on with the service. And I’m thinking, well do you just sit up? Do you stand up like nothing happened? And then I thought do you roll off? And I thought, oh would I be a holy roller then? So I thought, oh I’ll just sit up, but I couldn’t get up. And then at the end I was just relaxed and I happened to open my eyes, and I saw his Glory. I don’t know how I knew what it was, but I knew it was his Glory and it was the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen in my life. And I kept saying, look, look at it, it’s so beautiful.

SID: Now we read about his Glory in the Bible, but it’s one thing to read about it, the other, I think what you’re saying is it’s an experience.

JUDY: Yes. God doesn’t want you just to read the Word. He wants you to experience the Word. Every time we experience the Word we have more faith. It adds faith to our lives.

SID: So he was holding something in his hand. What?

JUDY: A rock and he was knocking on it, and it started cracking like an egg and it all fell off. And inside the rock was a heart and it started very slowly beating again. And he said, “This is my church and this is what I’m going to do to my church.”

Voice of God: I’m going to take the rock from off its heart and it’s going to come alive again.

SID: Now you had this encounter you told me about with the Glory of God, with the love of God. You became almost a changed person. One day you’re laying across your bed and you see a door. Take it from there.

JUDY: I see this door and it opens about a foot, and something comes out and it lands on me, and I stopped praying and started worshiping God. But I’m thinking this is so strange. I feel so good and I’m worshiping God in a way that I had never talked to him before.

SID: So you had a degree of a breakthrough and this door keeps showing up. And one day the door opens and what happens?

JUDY: I moved into this place. I saw two figures. They were shadowy figures. One I knew was the Father and one was Jesus, and I just talked to them. We talked. I thought I was making it up. I thought somehow in my imagination I was making it up, but in order to imagine anything you kind of have to think of it first and then you run with it and put things in.

SID: Of course.

JUDY: I wasn’t imagining because this all surprised me and every time I’d lay down and start to pray that’s where I would be with them and I’d talk to them.

SID: Tell me about the time that Jesus hugged you.

JUDY: When I see him a lot, he hugs you and he, I can feel his arms around me.

SID: I haven’t had this. You’re provoking me to jealousy. You know, you’re doing what the Bible. The Bible says the gentile is to provoke the Jew to jealousy. Okay, so you’re normal. But tell me, I kind of get a little of it just from you telling me. What is it like for God to hug you? What is it like to feel his love?

JUDY: It’s the best. It took me a while to learn, quite a while to learn that when I go to him and I can sit on his lap any time I want to, and I just take in all of this, and then when it’s over I’m back, and it’s like I’m full of peace.

SID: I have to tell you, as you’re telling me what occurred and occurs quite often I’m feeling that peace come off of you into me. You know what I believe? I believe that in just a little bit I’m going to have you pray for everyone that wants this prayer in our studio audience and watching, and I believe that something tangible is going to happen to them.

JUDY: Yes.

SID: In fact, when we come back I’ll have her pray for you.

Our Guest Ira Kellman


Sid:  I’ve got a Jewish man on the telephone in Tulsa, Oklahoma his name is Ira Kellman. He’s a Jewish man that’s red hot for Jesus talking to another Jewish man that’s red hot for Jesus. Talking about the King of the Jews Jesus the Jewish Messiah, I mean this is such a Jewish program. But guess what, you too can be grafted into the King of the Jews and the blood of the greatest Jew who ever lived will flow through your veins. This week we’re featuring a book called “The Wigglesworth Standard.” Wigglesworth literally believed he heard from God that the last days would have an army of people that would walk in the same power that Wigglesworth walked in. Walk in the same power that Jesus walked in. This end time army I believe when these 37 lost manuscripts, I say lost they were unpublished no one had ever heard of them. This man Peter Madden had studied Wigglesworth and was praying and said “God I believe somewhere there are some lost manuscripts that must be published.” He went to the other part of the world he travelled across the world and was in a guest house that Wigglesworth just happened to be sleeping in many years earlier and they had his unpublished manuscripts. Put it together in a book called “The Wigglesworth Standard.” Let me read you a little bit from one of the testimonies in the book:

The two policemen grabbed Wigglesworth and started pushing him through the crowd. He had arrived in Norway only that morning but word of him had spread before his arrival. Thousands surrounded the Town Hall hoping to get inside but unfortunately not another person could fit. Packed in like sardines the people inside were so tightly squeezed together that no one could have tripped or fallen to the ground.

Having heard the rumors that a man that was able to perform miracles would be there. People had flocked to the hall both far and wide. Many were not Christians but they had come to witness and to seek the healings and other miraculous events that might happen.

With much difficulty the policemen struggled to get Wigglesworth to the front of the hall. As he stood on the platform looking out over the vast crowd he was consumed with such tremendous zeal for the Lord and compassion for the people that he cried out “God give me a message that is different that something might happen here that is different from anything else.” As Wigglesworth began to preach the voice of God inwardly spoke to Him “If you will ask me I will give you every soul.” Had he heard correctly? He continued to preach “If you will ask me I will give you every soul.” He struggled he knew now it was the voice of the Lord but he was slow to respond. Once again the message came “If you believe and ask me I will give you every soul!”   Wigglesworth stopped, every eye was upon him why had he stopped preaching? With his eyes closed he prayed “Alright Lord do it! I ask you please give me every soul.” From every direction a wind seemed to blow. The breath of the Holy Spirit swept over the auditorium from the front to the back. People all over the Town Hall began crying out to God for mercy. Every man, woman, and child became acutely aware of personal sinfulness and unworthiness before this awesome God whom they now were experiencing. As they begged God’s forgiveness Wigglesworth pointed them to Jesus and the way of salvation.

With all of them yielding to Christ God saved every soul just as He spoken to this man who was filled with God.

I want you to be so filled with the Spirit of God. …Ira Kellman when I was reading about that wind I couldn’t help but think that God has instructed you to blow on people and what happens?

Ira:  I’ve been doing it for over 20 years and we’ve had people healed from arthritis, rheumatism…

Sid:  How did you even start doing that? I mean I see people doing it today but 20 years ago that took chutzpah that took nerve to do.

Ira:  Well you know when I got on fire I got on fire and I just did whatever the Lord told me to do (laughing). You know Wigglesworth at times God told him to punch people in the stomach who had tumors and he did it and the tumors dissolved. So I learned a lot of boldness from Wigglesworth…

Sid:  Tell me about what’s happened to people when you do this.

Ira:  People have come out of comas, I’ve prayed for people on the telephone they come out of comas, people have been healed of arthritis, rheumatism, depression, cancer, of blood diseases, eye problems, ear problems just all sorts of everything. They get refreshing, they get peace, they get joy, they get strength, you know the Bible says the wind of God moves and the breath of God you know Jesus… God breathed the breath of life into man. Jesus breathed on His disciples and said “Receive the Holy Ghost.” You know it’s in the word but you have to have a special anointing. By God’s grace he gave me that special anointing. Every day I’m blowing on somebody, I even blow on my cats and they get blessed. I go to restaurants with my friends and somebody’s going through a hard time you know they’re depressed or worn out I blow on them and (snaps his finger) just within a minute less than a minute they are refreshed, they are renewed, they have got the joy of the Lord…

Sid:  You know what it is, I believe there’s a spirit of oppression and when the wind of God’s Spirit comes in contact with the spirit of depression and oppression…

Ira:  That’s right.

Sid:  …something has to move and it’s not God (laughing).

Ira:  God moves the oppression, depression, and confusion and I see so many people healed from broken hearts just by blowing on people. Right now somebody needs healing in their left arm where the crease in your left arm whatever the problem is I curse it in the name of Jesus. I loose healing to you right now in the name of Jesus in that left arm and the crease of the arm right now in Jesus name.

Sid:  Ira I want you to… I’m going to ask you to blow in the supernatural… will people experience the wind of God coming on them?

Ira:  They’ll experience it because it’s supernatural and God will come through the telephone, He’ll come through the radio stations, everywhere this is played and people get touched and healed as this is played yes. Because you know why? People listen to my tapes from 15-20 years ago the anointing is on it, people still get healed listening to my tapes from 15-20 years ago because the anointing is still on it.

Sid:  Have you ever seen the glory cloud come into your meetings?Do you ev

Ira:  Oh I see it all the time! I have glory clouds in every meeting literally really.

Sid:  I’m believing a glory cloud is coming right out of the radio now into the rooms…

Ira:  Right.

Sid:  …into the cars, wherever you are into the kitchen right now. People are being healed of backs and spines in particular are being supernaturally healed. Ira I want you to blow on people and oppression and depression, and illnesses, and demons they must scatter in the name of Jesus and the breath of the spirit of God do that now.

Ira:  Father in the name of Jesus of Nazareth Lord I come before you and God you are the anointed one and Lord I ask you to move upon the people right now. Father by your wind and by your healing power to heal people from oppression and depression, confusion and suicide, and Father the people with lung problems and heart problems to be healed right now, and Father I ask you to give the people a hunger and thirst after righteousness. Give them a strong heart to seek You to understand You Father move by Your wind right now (sound of wind blasting) in the name of Jesus the wind of God to move and to bring healing, and peace and joy, and freedom. Negative forces and principalities and powers be broken off of people and the presence of God to come into their homes, and to come into their cars to come into wherever they are listening on the radio right now for them to feel the tangible presence of God because there it is (sound of wind blasting) in the name of Jesus Lord we thank you. Set the people free fill their hearts with love and peace and joy. Healings to their bodies from all sicknesses and disease Father in the name of Jesus. Now for that left leg to be totally healed too there Father. That person with gangrene Father and that leg to be totally healed in Jesus’ name. Lord your presence to saturate the people that their bodies are just tingling from Your power, Your anointing Father in Jesus’ name.

Sid:  I’ll tell you something I want this week’s sharing on cassette just to listen to the wind of the Spirit of God as Ira blows. Ira what is God showing you that will be happening in the near future in the United States?

Ira:  Well God’s going to be doing a lot of reviving in His people and a lot of setting people straight down the narrow road. He’s going to give people a new strength and a new heart to walk uprightly.

Sid:  How about Israel, what do you see happening?

Ira:  Oh I pray for Israel every day you know. God has to do miracles of protection there of course because there’s so many enemies against them. God’s going to deliver them from a lot of these attacks that you know the Hezbollah being trained by the Iranian you know the revolutionary guard. You know you have enemies to the right and left of them, God’s going to do some miracles there. So I think some people there are going to get their eyes opened to see when God moves for Israel.

Sid:  I believe not only is that going to happen but I believe just as there is going to be a revival in the United States there is going to be a revival in Israel. Before Jesus returns the word of the Lord will go out from Zion with Jewish people that are red hot for Jesus. I see that Ira.

Ira:  I believe that yes definitely. I was just in Israel and I’m going back again here and we had so many miracles there. I was ministering to a lot of people from Africa, and Ethiopian Jews too, my first time I ministered to Ethiopian Jews, and they’re getting healings and miracles, and peace and love and joy. They just love the Lord they’re hungry.

Our Guest Ira Kellman


Sid:  My guest by way of telephone is Ira Kellman. Ira is a Jewish believer in Jesus. He is just red hot for the Lord. Talk about red hot he was almost fried because he was literally hit with 125 million volts of electricity. Before we get to Ira I want to read to you from the book I’ve been reading from all this week called “The Wigglesworth Standard.” You see an author by the name Peter Madden found 37 unpublished manuscripts of Smith Wigglesworth the great healing evangelist. I mean Wigglesworth has laid hands on many dead people have come back to life. Limbs have been restored. Wigglesworth felt that an army would be raised up in the last days that would walk in the same signs as Jesus even greater signs. This book I believe will be the standard to learn how to walk in the supernatural. I want to read this to you from the book:

“Smith watch me when I’m preaching. I get so near to heaven that someday I’m just going to take off.” He thought back on these words that his dear Polly had once spoken. Well he mused “She certainly must have preached tonight.”

It was New Year’s day 1913 the local doctor and a policeman had met him just as he was stepping out the front door on his way to Glasgow to minister at some meetings. However the look on the 2 men’s faces as they met him told him something was wrong, “Polly’s dead. She fell dead at the mission door.” Just a few hours before Smith had bid her well as she was leaving to go preach there. How he loved his Polly she was everything in the world to him. In the natural he was devastated but deep down inside he knew that she was where she wanted to be. He began to speak in tongues and praise the Lord laughing in the spirit.

Soon the house was filled with people her body had been brought to the house. At Wigglesworth’s instructions they took her up to her room and laid her lifeless form on the bed. “She is dead and we can do no more.” Wigglesworth just smiled he knew differently. Asking everyone to please leave the room he closed the door. When the last one left he turned around and walked over to the bed. He knew that she was with her beloved Lord as she had so longed to be. Standing before her now he couldn’t bare the separation “In the name of Jesus death give her up!” Polly’s eyes opened and looked straight into his “Polly I need you.” “Smith the Lod wants me.” An incredible struggle was going on inside of him now oh how much he wanted her with him. How could he go on without her he thought they would have so many more years together?

That still small voice came that voice he knew so well the only one he loved more than hers. “She’s Mine her work is done.” With tears streaming down his face he yielded to His Lord “My darling if the Lord wants you I will not hold you.” She smiled as he kissed her cheek tenderly. Then he simply said “Goodbye for the present.” Her eyes closed and she was gone.

“Yes Lord” he obeyed and turned and walked out of the room. It was the hardest thing he had ever done.

I’m reading from the book “The Wigglesworth Standard.”  My guest Ira Kellman is a man that has been hit or had near hits from lightning 7 times. Ira I’m going to take you to a particular date July 12, 1987 preaching in a church in Indianapolis what was going on?

Ira:  I was preaching on obedience and lightning was blasting all over the place it was a torrential rain day I mean just really coming down heavy heavy rain. Lightning was blasting all over the place…

Sid:  I understand you found out the next day that at least 2 people died from lightning that evening.

Ira:  Lightning hit their house blew it up and killed 2 people. Yeah it was terrible I mean really really terrible. Very low thunder blast things of lightning all night long. Lightning was blasting all over the place and all of a sudden the Holy Ghost says “Pray pray protection.” I started praying protection you know Psalms 91 “No evil shall befall us no plague shall nigh our dwelling.” I’m binding the devil from everything from cars to buildings, the other situations around the buildings. I get the last word out of my mouth “Devil I bind you in the name of Jesus!” and lightning hit the top of the roof went down the wall the lightning. I had a lapel microphone it went through the lapel microphone blasted me in the chest threw me back and I felt the presence of angels catch me. I saw flames jump off of the roof because there was a skylight, the place got filled up with smoke. You could smell the sofa, the system was buzzing people were just sitting there thank God the peace of God came upon the people. I talked to people later on their ears were ringing for hours and hours and they checked everything out. Nothing happened nothing happened to me…

Sid:  But wait a second, we have an actual sound clip and you can hear the thunder, you can hear the crash from the lightning. Let’s go to that clip right now.

Excerpt: Sound clip

Sid:  Ira before you got hit with lightning you were talking about supernatural protection reading from Psalm 91. Quote that from memory right now.

Ira:  “No evil shall befall us no plague shall come nigh our dwelling.” Because what I did was I said “God even wants to protect me from the cats.” I have to pray protection from my cat you know that’s when I felt led to pray. “There shall no evil befall you shall any plague come nigh to your dwelling.” Your dwelling is anywhere it can be in a plane, a car it can be anywhere. “No evil shall befall me no plague shall come nigh my dwelling.” Then it says right after that verse “Then He shall give His angels charge over thee to keep thee in all thy ways.” When I got blown back that’s when the angels caught me.

Sid:  Why do you think that was angels that caught you?

Ira:  Oh I felt the presence of angels. I know I’ve had angels manifest in meetings so I know when an angel is there.

Sid:  Out of curiosity do you think you would have had such supernatural protection if you weren’t so grounded in the word and speaking the word at that precise moment?

Ira:  I don’t think I would have no. I think would have gone off to glory. It was just knowing the word, knowing authority, and God has a plan for me. Thank God for His hand of protection.

Sid:  Was the meeting over after that happened or did you continue preaching?

Ira:  It went on for another 45 minutes…

Sid:  (Laughing)

Ira:  …because I had to go and pray for the sick (Laughing).

Sid:  (Laughing) You’re too much Ira.

Ira:  (Laughing) You know when it happened Sid?

Sid:  What?

Ira:  It threw me back and I started, I sort of kept on preaching and they put the system off and I started laughing with the best. I said “You know lightning hit out there. Whatever it hit out there you know it went through the system and hit me.” I was just delirious and I kept on preaching. I said “Oh my God I just got hit by lightning and I’m still alive thank you Jesus.” I really didn’t think that much of it because I was just caught up and thank God for the presence of you know the Holy Spirit on me. I just got caught up into the anointing.

Sid:  You really prayed for the sick afterwards?

Ira:  Yeah!

Sid:  Was anyone healed?

Ira:  Yeah there were many healings in there!

Sid:  (Laughing)

Ira:  Allergies, broken bones, yeah I still have the tape from the…

Sid:  I’ve got to ask you this though, since you’ve been struck by lightning has the anointing of God increased?

Ira:  Oh the anointing… right after this I think the next meeting I did in Vegas it is like it’s been increased a 100 times more. You know all things are parallel and God just stepped up the anointing of the Holy Ghost… like I said He has a sense of humor. What the devil meant for evil God turned it around and made for good.  The unusual thing about this was the newspapers picked up on this and it went on the front page of the Indianapolis paper and from there it went all across the nation and around the world front pages and everybody gave a positive story to this. Thousands of people have been saved through this with me going… and having meetings, and teaching, and giving my testimony my conversion, my lightning story. God saved a lot of people, healed a lot of people and it gets people’s attention because I bring the tape, they hear the tape and it just blows people away and they go “Oh my God!”

Sid:  What’s going to happen on tomorrow’s broadcast?

Ira:  Well tomorrow I want to pray for people for healings, for miracles, for peace, for joy, I want to pray for people for a hunger and thirst after God, after the word of God, after the Spirit of God. I want to pray for people who want to be used for God. Sid if God can take me knowing nothing, I didn’t even know what the word evangelist was. Not knowing nothing and send me around the world and teach me the bible and be a blessing to people, He can use anybody who wants to be used.

Sid:  I just believe also there’s going to be a gusher of God’s Spirit in a tangible form just pouring out of the radio tomorrow.

Ira:  There is, there is, there is.

Sid:  I mean there’s a presence of God right now, but I mean there is going to be a gusher Mishpochah. Tell me again Ira how important Smith Wigglesworth’s teach was to you.

Ira:  He formed my early Christian life into what I am doing today because I said God I had a heart crack “God I want to be like Wigglesworth.” I want miracles everywhere, I want to pray for people everywhere on the streets in planes, in trains, bathrooms, restaurants and that’s what I’ve done.  “Lord I want to be like Wigglesworth.” So He formed… God used his books and his testament to form my life to what I am doing today and what I’ll be doing till Jesus comes.

Sid:  Very quickly tell me one miracle that comes to mind.

Ira:  In any area?

Sid:  Any area.

Ira:  I prayed for this contorted body it was one of the most amazing things I’ve saw. Did you ever see someone so totally twisted they can hardly walk because they have a carrier? They are twisted from arthritis rheumatism….

Sid:  How the woman that was bowed over for 18 years had to walk looking at the ground?

Ira:  That was miraculous but this person I saw with my own eyes. That was amazing without seeing it. This person the arms are up, the hands were back, and the legs were twisted, and the whole body was straightened and walking and leaping and jumping and running after I prayed.

Sid:  Is there anything to compare to be able to see someone set free like that in the name of Jesus?

Ira:  That’s what it’s all about.

Our Guest Dave Roberson


Sid:  We found out all of this week that Dave Roberson pastor of Prayer Center Family in Tulsa, Oklahoma really had a lot of strikes against him as a child.  His mother was an alcoholic, his father was in prison, he had many fathers over the years. His grandfather would remind him of his son in law and he would say “You’re no good, you’re not going to mount to anything.” So he got born again and he got filled with the Spirit and he prayed in tongues and he still couldn’t get a ceiling on his life he couldn’t get beyond that ceiling. And he found by persevering and praying in unknown tongues it opened up a door a level of supernatural restoration super natural peace that has changed his life. Now there are many people listening to us right now that are born again and you have actually asked Jesus to fill you with His Holy Spirit but you’ve never spoken in tongues so you just figure “Well maybe it isn’t for you.” Dave will you help those people get from point A to point B?

Dave: Yes and I can guarantee you one thing this is for you. It’s one of the most precious gifts that heaven has given for your edification and the building of you up in God. And when a person does pray in tongues it is actually the Holy Spirit taking the person lives of God and plan of God for your life for your person life. And praying and creating it to be prayed through you so that you can have the benefit of God plan being revealed in your own person life.  I mean this is all some of the things praying in tongues gets. First of all it is for you and I can help you. Nicodemus probably…he probably was on the Sanhedrim court and was a Judge in Israel and he asked Jesus about entering the Kingdom. And Jesus said “You must be born again to enter the Kingdom.” He didn’t understand that statement about being born again. So Jesus explain He said “The wind blows where it lifted you hear the sound wherever it comes or goes. So is every man that is born of the Spirit.” Well that word wind there is translated as breath that God breathed into Adam he became a living soul that spirit man he breathed into. Well what he was saying to Nicodemus was the Holy Spirit is going to breathe that new nature the very life of God into you when you ask and you’ll be born again.  Well that happened to your spirit, being born again happened to your human spirit.  You’re a person, the Holy Spirit is a person of God.  He’s one person of God you are a person and being born again happened to your human spirit as the Holy Spirit was there to do the work. Now for you to be baptized in the Holy Spirit this precious third person of the Godhead literally steps into your spirit in baptism begins to reside there in presence. And the first thing He wants to do when He arrives when He steps in now remember you’re one person He’s another He’s the precious Spirit of God. Being born again happened to your human spirit but when you receive the Holy Spirit you receive the third person of the Godhead the precious precious precious Spirit of God.  The first thing He wants to do for you is pray and He’s got within Himself the entire plan of God for your personal life because He was with the Father when the Father planned that for you. So he’s got God’s plan for you He’s got the understanding of who Christ is in you with Him.  And He wants to pray that through you so that’s what this supernatural language of tongues is all about. Now the moment that He steps in what He will do is He will begin to create that supernatural language on the inside of your spirit. When He does simultaneous as He creates it in your spirit He will want to complete the circuit of prayer from the realms of the spirit to the natural world that you walk in.  He does that through your tongue so the moment He creates the supernatural language in your spirit your tongue begins to shape and form the language He’s speaking in your spirit. Now if there happens to be some kind of stronghold tapped into your soul that tries to block that language from making it from your spirit out our tongue into this natural world then there’s some things you can do. Because when you pray He is going to come and baptize you and He’s going to begin and create that language in your spirit. That’s what He does in baptism. But I run into people who have been taught against it who had a stronghold built up in their mind and their emotion. So when the Holy Spirit would try to make that journey so that their tongue would begin to create the shape and form the words that He was creating in them to make that journey. That he would run into that block that stronghold and they could not feel those tongues coming up.  And this is what I have found I have found that if I can take a person like this if this is your problem and you go somewhere with somebody who knows how to worship and put a worship tape on and then just begin to worship God and you’ll just step over to Him.  Because what worship does it causes God to come trying to enter baptism of your senses kind of a presence that will come upon you that will so submerge your senses that in the anointing that you will have the special presence of the Holy Spirit working on the outside of you on your senses. And then you’ll have the precious presence of the Holy Spirit rising up on the inside of you. And I have found out that sometimes when you get a person to yield over in worship and worship Him for awhile until He’s presence begins to come.  And then stops and begins to thank Him for that supernatural language and then yield themselves over I’ve seen many many people get passed those strongholds and those blocks by returning to worship and then yielding themselves to the Spirit and waiting for their tongue to begin to shape those words for them to speak out. If it doesn’t happen that time then go back and worship Him and thank Him for it again and glorify His holy name.

Sid: And I’ve found people Dave that when even when they don’t even feel a word on their tongue if they’ll just by faith start speaking a language they’ve never been taught the whole thing will come out.

Dave: Yes that’s absolutely true Sid and at times I would…people have broke out and spoke with tongues when I’ve ministered to them like that just like you’ve said.

Sid: Would you do that right now?

Dave: Yes all you have to do to receive the Holy Spirit my friend is that if you’re listening to my voice it’s just get ready to receive Him by agreeing with me in the prayer that I’m going to pray for you now. In fact if you can repeat after me just repeat this prayer after me and the Holy Spirit will step into you and create this language it will come up to your tongue if you will open your mouth and begin to speak out with me He will begin to speak out with you.  So right now right now let’s bring it this far just get ready to repeat after me this is not a law or anything this is just receiving you.  Say “Oh heavenly Father.

Sid: Oh heavenly Father.

Dave: In the precious Name of Jesus

Sid:  In the precious Name of Jesus

Dave: I want to receive your Holy Spirit

Sid: I want to receive your Holy Spirit

Dave: Oh I ask you to fill me now

Sid: Oh I ask you to fill me now

Dave: I receive Him now by faith

Sid: I receive Him now by faith

Dave: Thank You Holy Spirit

Sid: Thank You Holy Spirit

Dave: For creating that language of tongues in my spirit

Sid: For creating that language of tongues in my spirit

Dave: I am going to begin to speak them out at this moment.

Sid: I am going to begin to speak them out at this moment.

Dave: Now begin to speak them out with me.

Sid: Now begin to speak them out with me.

Dave:  Now for you who are listening for the sake of getting these people we’re teaching on this gift now therefore we’re not speaking in tongues out of order over the air. We are teaching on it and people are receiving so begin to speak with me now.  (Dave and Sid speaking in prayer language)….See Sid has one tongue I have another it gives you a language for your own person life…(speaking on tongues) And if you didn’t receive at that moment I’m going to worship God for a moment just worship Him with me just Him with me.  Oh Heavenly Father I glorify You and I worship you I magnify You, I lift you up and exalt You with…I thank You for Your presence and I thank You for being filled with the Holy Spirit. And I am going to yield myself and speak in that language now…(speaking on tongues) Father anoint them to speak in this language bring them forward in them now….for you whose just joined us on the air many are receiving the Holy Spirit we are not speaking in tongues over the air out of order we’re teaching on this gift and people are receiving. So continue to pray…..

Sid: Dave I feel like we are so worshipping God in our prayer right now we’re telling Him how much we love Him we’re praising God well but we’re out of time Mishpochah.

Our Guest Dave Roberson


Sid: I’m speaking to my friend Dave Roberson he’s Pastor of Prayer Center Family in Tulsa, Oklahoma. We’re talking about his series called “Removing the Ceiling.” And there’s something going on this week on this show Dave where you were talking about weeping that just came upon you and you just ministered to a group of pastors that came upon them and then they went to their churches and it came upon them. And then you were talking about a supernatural peace that comes upon us when we’re praying in tongues for a long enough period of time. Tell me about a bit about this peace this is so intriguing because the world is talking peace in the Middle East, the world is talking “What are we going to do about these AIDS viruses their mutating and that there’s no cures for them? And what are we going to do about the biological warfare.  What are we going to do about the shortages of blood of the shortages of water, the shortages of food on this earth?”  And the Bible itself talks about it the spirit of the last days which we are in is the spirit of fear. So when you talk about peace that’s got to be what everyone is looking for. But not just a positive confession of peace I mean living in a tangible presence of God’s peace tell me about that.

Dave: (Laughing) Well Sid you know it I didn’t even know it was what I was looking for because each time that I would make some level of peace you know something I’d make another level of peace and I’d find out “Oh goodness I didn’t really believe that it could be this way.” And the peace and as you said “God is love and perfect love casts out fear and it has not been perfected in love that is tormented in fear.” So if a person is perfected in that love and the absence of torment and fear you’ll have peace. But I’ve found the strongest key in my life from bringing me from torment and intimidation and failure and ceilings on my life of bad habits all kinds of things. That one of the strongest keys that I fell into quite by accident was praying in tongues. And praying in tongues begin an edification process in me that started building me up above the strongholds and the feelings that was robbing me of my peace. And sometimes of somebody who went through a second marriage and two a second marriage and the husband begins to do something that reminds her of her first husband and causes a stronghold to come forward and sabotages her life. Those are the kind of things that He will displace by absolutely destroying the root of them through edification and replacing them with peace.  And when the peace of that strength comes then those programs from those strongholds will no longer control any part of your actions.  And that strong peace begins to come.

Sid: That’s what happened in your life I mean you were sabotaged as a child.But not just a positive confession of peace I mean living in a tangible presence of God’s peace tell me about that.

Dave: Yeah.

Sid: With an alcoholic mother a father in prison and different fathers and grandfather that literally was curing you because you reminded you of your father who was upset over. I mean with all of the handicaps that you had unless God did something supernaturally I don’t think you could have overcome them.

Dave: (Laughing) And I was even born again and the holiness church thank God.

Sid: And Spirit filled.

Dave: And Spirit filled.

Sid: And speaking in tongues.

Dave: And I spoke with tongues and so if all of that of it was just possible by…

Sid: And you went to church every Sunday.

Dave: And I went to church and if it were just by merit of baptism of the Holy Spirit alone or salvation alone then I would have had it all. But I found out there was something I could do and so I began to pray and He began to edify me and build me out of those things. I was just in Brazil after this anointing to weep came upon me when He washed me and brought me to even a greater level of peace. And I’m in Brazil with an interpreter a language barrier had about 1700 preachers in the meeting. And I got up through the interpreter they didn’t know what happened to me I had given no testimony it was the first 15 minutes of the first service. I’d just got up and started talking about the love of God. They begin to breakdown those preachers and weep and weep and weep and weep. So finally under this anointing I said to them I said “Everybody with tears running down your cheeks come to the front and 100’s and 100’s stormed up to the front and broke down sobbing and crying on the floor.”  And I said “Father what are You doing?” Because it was still so new to me “What are You doing?” And He said “I’m washing them, I’m washing them of strongholds.” And yesterday at the end of the program and I broke down for a minute and just had to pray for people’s peace because all of those preachers were lying on the floor in front of it and I said “Lord what is this?”  And this is the same thing that went out yesterday over the air and set people free.  I said “What is this?” And He said “This is my grace the sower overtakes the reaper.” He said, “Son it took you 28 years to get here but you can sow this into people’s lives through teaching in just a few short years and they can overtake your harvest because it’s not by our works, it’s nothing we can do to earn it.  It’s simply when we can simply receive it whether that’s through fasting or prayer or me 28 years of exploring wrong trails only to come back and get on the right one.  Because you can’t get into error if you keep praying in tongues cause it activates you teacher by revealing the mysteries of Christ in you.  So I’ve had all of those years of going down some wrong trails for a short way and coming back and now I can teach you and save you a lot of time. And I can sow into your life in just a short time in one tape series in certain areas of your life like the one that you’re offering in this program.

Sid: Well I got this as a gift and I started listening to it and that’s where we get many of our guests and many of our tools. I listen to some and I saw “Wow this is really benefiting me!  I want to help other people.” You know there are people listening to us Dave that have never prayed in unknown tongues. And then there’s others listening to us that have but just don’t do it anymore. On tomorrow’s broadcast would you lead us and teach us just a little and lead us into how to pray in unknown tongues if there are people that have never done this?

Dave: I’d be glad to.

Sid: And but there are people listening to us now that do pray in tongues and they just stop doing it why have they stopped?

Dave: I understand that too because I had to overcome all of that I can teach on it hallelujah.

Sid: Why have they stopped?

Dave: Well the flesh isn’t always negative sometimes the flesh feeds lust and desire and things like the love of money improperly.  And so when we love something more than God then eventually you’ll make a move to move up above it and when it does it causes a war in the person’s soul.  And then at that point they’ll either fall out of praying in tongues or they will punch through and let Him show them what is dying in their life. And He’ll give them faith to move that out of their lives.  So usually it has to do with the flesh.

Sid: Isn’t it important to pray in tongues our loud or is it just as valuable if you pray in tongues and no one hears you?

Dave: It’s just as valuable to pray and no one hears you because he said “If there be no interpreter let him speak to himself and God. The fact that he’s speaking it’s not bothering anyone around him. So that means he’s doing it quietly enough he’s not bothering anybody else because there’s no interpreter yet he’s talking to God.  So it isn’t how loud you speak it isn’t the emotions you add to the prayer as it passes through the soul it’s the content of what you’re saying when you’re praying in tongues that changes everything.  So you can whisper and not even wear yourself out and it will be just as effective.

Sid: Dave when you pray in unknown tongues many times do you know what you’re praying or most of the times do you not know?

Dave: Most of the times I do not know but eventually much of it you will know because much of it is your future and He’s working His plan in your life and He’s also revealing mysteries. But the times that you don’t know is when He’s building you up over some problem that has a hold of you a hold of your life.  And He doesn’t want to let you in on it until your past it because you don’t know a lot of times what’s good for you or we don’t know the problems. He’ll just simply build us up above it and give us the strength to turn lose of it before He moves against it.  So no I don’t always know Sid and sometimes I do.

Sid: But I can tell you that what you’ve been teaching on all of this week…it’s causing the bubbling going on inside of my spirit.

Dave: (Laughing)

Sid: That’s what it’s causing.

Dave: That is when the Holy Spirit see will reveal a mystery in you He does it to your spirit and then your spirit will eventually it can illuminate your mind where you can word the revelation. And what that revelation is doing it is feeding your spirit in such a way that it’s broken down by the Holy Ghost so it’s broken down already where you’re spirit can understand it. And so what you’re feeling is the uplifting evidence it’s an edification process of being free being to go on in your spirit.  Then the tremendous thing is that will set you into prayer. Hallelujah.

Sid: Okay let’s just start no we only have half a minute but just start for someone who’s never prayed in tongues what can they do?

Dave:  All they have to do…

Sid: Born again but they’ve never prayed in tongues.

Dave: Just never prayed have been baptized or prayed? Oh all they have to do is just yield themselves over…. “Father God fill me with the Holy Spirit in Jesus name.” You’ll note that they’ll begin to move on their mouth. When they do just yield over and start speaking it out it’s as simple as that.

Sid: And what if they don’t know what to say?

Dave: Well if they will just open their mouth and begin to speak it out by faith you won’t think so but His words will begin to form and be there because if you ask Him He will fill you.

Sid: That simple.

Dave: That’s simple.

Sid: Everyone who asks receives in Jesus name.