Sid: Well, I’ll tell you something after spending a week with Dr. Francis Myles on the radio if you’re not red hot for the Messiah there’ something wrong with you. But you’ve had some amazing prophesies and prophetic dreams Francis. For instance on yesterday’s broadcast we found out ahead of time that Senator Obama would be President Obama he would win two terms and what his agenda was for his first term. And how God had put a seed of faith for him to believe in Jesus within him that if we would stop cursing him with our mouths and pray for his salvation that his whole destiny; the whole destiny of America could be transformed; what a vision. But then in 2011 you had a vision of the Muslim agenda for Europe what was that?
Francis: Yes, I went in October 2011 I flew to London to host a School of Ministry and while I was praying at the hotel for the evening service I had a very moving prophetic vision Sid. I saw thousands of Europeans primarily the Caucasian Europeans standing in long lines with their bags packed at the airport. Now in the prophetic dream… in the prophetic vision I had the sense in the vision what I was observing was not isolated to one European country it was actually happening everywhere in Europe. I saw that all the Europeans who were standing in long lines at the airport Sid hoping to catch a plane out of the country had very distressed faces. So I asked the Lord to explain to me what I was seeing. He said “Son, what you are looking at is the future Satan has planned for Europe; this is the rise of the Ishmael agenda.”
Sid: So the people that were leaving; why were they leaving?
Francis: Well, the Lord said that they were leaving because I said “What is the Ishmael agenda?” He said that the Ishmael agenda is a very up stated plan to take over Europe by Muslim intellectuals. That while the rest of the world and the news media are focused on the Jihadist who are like the dogs of war. The real power players God says are moving in stealth to take over Europe and He said many European will be disinherited and driven out of the land of the activity of the Ishmael agenda marches on.” That’s what the Lord said.
Sid: So in affect people like Christians or like people that didn’t want to be under Sharia Law they were the ones that were trying to leave.
Francis: Yes, because in the vision they were shocked how dramatically Europe had changed. It was normally a place that freedom loving people could live in and they was leaving the country to migrate other nations. So when the Lord showed me this I also saw in the vision many Muslim, many Muslim garb, garb in what seemed an information room. And they were looking over the map of Europe and strategizing. And I asked the Lord; I said to the Lord “Is Europe already lost to the Ismael agenda, is this no hope is this all Europe lost?” The Lord declared “No, I have a plan to thwart the Ishmael agenda, I will raise and Isaac Church to stem the rising tide of the Ishmael agenda in Europe. As my people rise up and pray I will raise an Isaac company in Europe who will restore the ancient wells of revival in Europe just like Isaac was able to re-dig up the wells like back in Abraham’s day.
Sid: But if people do not pray what will the agenda be from what God showed you for Europe?
Francis: Well, just listen just a couple of days ago I was watching the Bill O’Reilly Show and there was showing this group in Europe that’s risen they try to because this group is rising to defend this. It was rising to fight against the spread of radical Islam in Europe and this man made a startling statement on Bill O’Reilly. He said “Do you know Bill that 48% of the London Stock Exchange now is owned by Muslims.” He said “We’re about to lose our country.”
Sid: Oh, that’s amazing because almost half of FOX News is owned by Muslim’s right now that they were even allowed to say that. But if it’s not stemmed in Europe what’s their agenda for America?
Francis: Well, remember if it’s not stemmed in Europe; if it’s not stemmed in Europe America and for the historically, politically America and Israel have always been able to depend on their European Allies. Imagine when Europe is under a Muslim agenda Israel and America are now prime targets for a lot of terrorists attacks because they’re Allies; their tradition allies the European no longer has a strong voice in their own voice in their own countries have been taken over.
Sid: Now tell me about the Jewish revival God showed you.
Francis: Yes, yes the Lord said to me that son the year 2012 to 2022; He said to me this is going to be the decade of destiny it’s going to be called. He said to me this 10 years are going to be called the Golden Years of the Melchizedek Priesthood. He said that in this decade the Body of Christ is going to enter into its greatest understanding of its priestly and kingly destiny and as a church we discover the order of Melchizedek there will be a whole new way of presenting the suffering servant of Isaiah; our Messiah to the Jewish people. Because most Jewish people historically because of the way Christians in the crusades treated the Jewish people the word Christ sometimes tends to have a negative affect with the Jewish people. If they could see that the Messiah is also the Melchizedek who intercepted there the member of Judah that they respect the most, Abraham. It would give them a whole fresh look; a whole fresh look that has not been contaminated by history that is authentically Jewish in terms of experience. He said “You are going to see the greatest harvest of Jewish people during the next 10 years. During 2012 to 2022 you are going to see more Jewish people saved in the next 10 years than you have ever seen at any time since the day of the Apostles.
Sid: Well, you know Francis sometimes I’ve wondered “Lord why and I’m 72 and my heart’s desire and prayer to God is that Israel would be saved; why are you giving us all this equipment at my age?” All of a sudden we have technology that is the finest technology in the world; we’re going to be able to broadcast on every cell phone that is a smartphone in the world live in high definition. I mean “Why God are you giving us all of these things” and you’ve just answered the question. Because the next decade is going to be the decade of when the spiritual scales are going to come off the eyes of Jewish people.
Francis: Yes yes, that’s what Jesus said. He said, “This next decade as I’m restoring the understanding of the order of Melchizedek.” He said “Son not only will the church itself change its stature because it will understand its kingly and priestly destiny; the Gentile Church will rise in power and rise in stature.” But He says “I will go after the descendant of Abraham in the natural because in the next 10 years I will represent myself; they will know me as a Melchizedek who met with their ancestor; whom they’re beloved ancestor Abraham. They said “When the scales fall in the next 10 years that you are about to see.” I’m excited because I mean I love the Jewish people but when the Lord said this He said “Watch these next 10 years you are going to see more recorded salivations of Jewish people coming to the Messiah than at any time since the day of the Apostles.” I’m like “Wow!”
Sid: What has God shown you about the increase of the miraculous; not just by the superstars on TV but those that have the Superstar inside of them; Jesus. What is God showing you?
Francis: That there is about to be such a collective manifestation of the miraculous in the Body of Christ that we have ever seen before. Because what happens is this that when the Body of Christ realizes that our highest calling… this is very important. Our highest calling is throughout the Bible is not to be a apostles, it is not to be prophets; it’s not to be teachers because all of these five-fold ministries the Bible says will pass away. Do you know the only thing that remains when you get to Revelations Sid is that we have been bought by the blood to be kings and priests unto God. Apostles don’t get into… when all the gifts cease Sid what remains forever and will never change it says we will be kings and priests unto God. And when we enter that realm we are going to begin to experience the authority of the priestly authority and the kingly authority of the believer mixed together like a double barrel gun. My God that is a recipe for miracles.
Sid: But you know what? If someone doesn’t take care of restoring their genetics or as you call it their genetic salvation they’re going to be sabotaged from walking in their destiny in what God has created us to do. I’m so excited about your book and 3 CD’s. The book is called “Breaking Generational Curses” and you will break every curse permanently all the way back in your genes; all the way back to Adam. You will understand for the first time who you really are; you’ll walk into the blessings. Most Christians Jewish or Gentile don’t understand the blessings of Abraham; has that been your experience Dr. Myles?
Francis: Yes, you know most of them don’t understand the blessing of Abraham and so what happens is…the Lord said to me “Most of my people when it comes to the blessing of Abraham are short selling themselves.” Because the many people think the blessings of Abraham is having a nice car, living in a nice house. Which God wants his people to do all of that Sid but the Lord said the 8 ingredients to the blessings of Abraham that money cannot buy that…
Sid: I’m sorry this revelation…
SID: So my guest, Nick Griemsmann, had incurable schizophrenia. Nick, what is like to have schizophrenia?
NICK: Sid, if you could imagine, if you take a vice, a metal vice with spikes in it, and if you take this vice and you put it on your head like a helmet and then you start screaming in your head evil profane things, blaspheming God, you know, different things like that, the blasphemy, the yelling in the head to kill yourself, that there’s no hope, and this cap would be on your head, and they tell you that it will never leave.
SID: So you go to this Assembly of God Church, you go up to the altar and someone begins to pray for you. What happened?
NICK: A nice man and his wife, they were praying over me and this spiritual force, I felt it, it lifted out of my head that night. It just lifted out of my head and at that moment I knew, I knew—
SID: What did you actually know? When this spiritual force lifted, what were, did you know?
NICK: Well I knew two things. One, that I was completely healed of schizophrenia at that moment. But two, I knew that there was some sort of evil nest of some type of spiritual force that some of it actually left, and I had hoped that I could pursue Jesus to receive my complete deliverance.
SID: So that was your first hope after all the stuff you went through. Okay. So you, step by step, the Holy Spirit directed you to do different things. I’m going to take you to your parents’ swimming pool. What, tell me what the Holy Spirit was teaching you and what you were doing?
NICK: I would put on worship music and I’d walk around the swimming pool outside and I worshiped the Lord, and I’d start commanding the demons to come out of my mind and stop causing torment. I used the Word of God and my faith, and I started commanding Satan to leave me in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. I did this in one day. I was doing it for over an hour. And I just knew that eventually something else was going to come out like it did that night at the church. And this day, I was working around the pool, worshiping God and commanding Satan to come out and this spiritual force from my stomach, it came up and it went uhhh, and it manifested, this thing, and it went out of my head. And I fell on the ground and I started weeping. I was weeping with joy. I was so thankful because I knew I didn’t need other people to pray for me to be delivered. I could actually do it myself.
SID: This was like self-deliverance. Now you have over a thousand pages of diagnosis of incurable schizophrenia. You also have something that it’s referred to as a decertification certificate. In other words, he can’t get any more welfare. He’s not insane. But what is insane to me is he’s now an administrator for that institution. Now how many people did you have working for you?
NICK: I had 40 to 50 working for me.
SID: Can you imagine that? Forty to 50 people with that same institution. I’ll tell you, Doctor, that’s cool. And you’re taking eight to 10 meds. Were you off of that completely?
NICK: Not instantly. So what happened to me, I didn’t instantly have a miracle like completely free from schizophrenia. The Lord took me through a process, which I noticed in the ministry that now that He does that a lot for people to teach them about His spirit and how to do spiritual warfare. So I went through a process and through that process with my doctor’s help and my case managers, and my family, I decided to try to wean off the medications. I did it very slowly. I don’t recommend to get off medications instantly. I went very slowly with my doctor’s help. And eventually within right about three or four months, I was completely off all the medications.
SID: Now you had a few doctors talk to you, especially your administrator now for this organization connected with the hospital. What did these doctors think when they saw your records?
NICK: The doctors, they can’t really explain it.
SID: I’m sure not.
NICK: It’s a great opportunity to witness God’s love to people. I might not necessarily get to preach at people or anything like that in a work environment. But I could witness to them that, you know, my faith helped me.
SID: And you know what’s so exciting about what happened to Nick? He says, this self-deliverance works for all sorts of problems, physical sickness, fear, emotional problems, addictions of all kind: pornography, alcoholism, drugs. It’s wonderful. Jesus wants you free. He wants you free. He has a hope for you. He has a future for you. We’ll deal with that when we come back. Don’t go away.
SID: David Martin has received supernatural keys that when you operate in these keys, what did God say would happen?
DAVID: Signs, wonders and miracles beyond anything I’d ever imagine possible.
SID: Literally Heaven on Earth. Let’s talk about the key of obedience.
DAVID: Well there are so many, as we just in the phenomenal story of the Rwanda impartation, being obedient to do whatever He says. And God has told me some things to do that really didn’t make a lot of sense. But this one—
SID: And that goes back to your thinking getting in the way of the supernatural.
DAVID: So true, Sid, so true. And in this case, in this particular story, I heard about a gal that was dying, 28 years old, two or three children as I remember, doctors had done everything they could over the course of time, numbers of years, sent her home to die. I heard about it and I felt like God said to me, “Make yourself available to go pray for her.” And so a friend of mine that told me the story called the father and said that I’d be happy to go to minister to his daughter. And he said, “No,” a very prominent businessman. He said, “We’ve already had great men of God here.” He’s a very prominent minister besides businessman, and on a number of minister boards, and said, “We don’t need you.’ But God said, go. And again, he was 1500 miles away from Tulsa and God said, “Go,” Sid. So I bought an airplane ticket, flew there.
SID: Wait a second. Did you get that? God said go. Her father said don’t. Now what would you have done? David is determined to obey what God says. So you went there. What happened?
DAVID: Well I called the father from the airport and said, “I’m here to pray for your daughter.” And he said, “I told you not to come” I said, “Well God said come.” So he allowed me to come out and pray for his daughter and I prayed. That first day, there was a small, enough improvement, that he let me come back day after day for a week. By the end of the week, Sid, she was completely totally healed.
SID: You know, if you hadn’t gone, number one, you wouldn’t have learned and had the joy of seeing God operate through you. But number two, that young lady might not have ever gotten better.
DAVID: Well they had sent her home to die, and that was over 10 years ago.
SID: Okay. Let’s talk about the key of humility. Now this is an area that very few people teach on, very few people are interested in. It seems like society is the opposite of what God says. God says, “Humble yourself.”
DAVID: Well the key aspect of humility is the Bible says, “He resists the proud, but he gives more grace to the humble.” Grace as I see it is God’s ability to do for us what we can’t do for ourselves.
SID: I like that.
DAVID: I think Charles Katz gave me that. But it’s God’s ability to do for you what you can’t do for yourself. It’s Divine intervention and that’s what we need. We need God’s Divine intervention. That’s what sets the stage for the supernatural. Literally, this was in 1983. I had just moved to Oklahoma to go to Bible school in ’82, serving in the church, on the platform. And literally, the ceiling disappeared. The roof, there was an open vision. I didn’t know it was a vision at first. I thought a tornado came. But I’m looking up at the blue sky. But there in the blue sky, Sid, I saw, I received the sovereign vision, a sphere of light with beams of light touching just a handful of people in the congregation. And I said, “God, what are you showing me?” He said, “I’m ministering to those that are ministering to me, those that are worshiping me in spirit and truth, and literally those that are walking in humility. “These people,” He said, “recognize their need for me. They’re not living in self-sufficiency. They’re walking in obedience of my word. They’re humbling themselves and they know they need me.” Then He showed me a second vision. In a second vision, I saw a battery with two posts, a positive and a negative, and when you touch a positive wire to a negative wire there’s an unseen force. And this is the key thing that He was showing me. The beam is an unseen force. We can’t see it, but we’re connected to God by this unseen field of energy of sorts. So the second vision was, again, unseen energy of electricity. And when you connect a positive to a negative there’s sparks. There’s heat. There’s a transfer of power. And God said to me, “I am representative of the positive side and those that walk in humility are the negative.” And then He showed me another picture, again, with positive and negative of magnets, again, unseen field of energy, magnetism. And again, put two positives together, in this case they repel. Two negatives, they repel, but two opposites, positive, negative, they’re attracted and they’re held together by the unseen force. And God said to me, “That’s how my spirit works.” When you walk in negativity, not in the way of behavior or in a mindset, but in need of me, you live a life that you need me, you’re worshiping me, for every breath that you have you’re the negative.
SID: But here in America most people don’t look at God that way. They look at God when they have an emergency rather than God, I need you to exist today. God, I need you to be the husband to my wife. God, I need you to be the father to my children. God, I need you to be, to have me walk in Divine health. God, I need you every second. That’s what you’re talking about. But we don’t have a mindset like that.
DAVID: Well, towards Him or His work. And this was one of the key things He showed me, is that we need to have that respect and recognition. His word is absolute truth and we need to live according to it. So if He says, meditate on the Word day and night, that’s not a suggestion, that is a commandment.
SID: You know what? Most of us pick and choose which things, which precepts to follow in the Bible and which not to. But God says that’s His whole word. I think we have to have, as you put it, as God told you, we have to have a new mindset. Wait until you hear some of the miracles that happened when he starts following this new mindset. We’ll be right back.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah; he’s a Messianic Jewish Rabbi Kirt Schneider congregation Adat Adonai Toledo, Ohio. And he also has a Jewish root evangelistic ministry called “Shalom Ministries.” On yesterday’s broadcast we’re talking about such an important subject there is so few believers in the Messiah that understand dreams and visions and prophecy, especially in the arena of dreams. Kirt we are missing so much and on yesterday’s broadcast you talked about all the books on what the various symbols of dreams mean, but you have kind of almost a different slant on it. Explain that,
Kirt: I really do I think that people are so personal that different symbols God uses and they mean different thing to different people. I believe that the same one that gave us the dream Sid is going to be the one that gives us the interpretation to the dream. I don’t think that God wants us to rely so much on other people to find out the interpretation for our dreams I think He wants us to look to Him the one that gave the dream. I think of a recent example here Sid that we were thinking of purchasing the building that my congregation was meeting in. And we were purchasing this building because it was affordable and because it was on a big enough piece of land that we could build in back and we actually had entered into a contract to purchase the building and the contract was signed and shortly after signing the contract within a week after signing the contract I had a dream one night. And in the dream I was watching somebody, I didn’t know the person but I was just objectively watching this person. He was opening up a health food store and as I was watching him open up the health food store he was opening it up and this really old neighborhood and his was the only commercial building in this residential neighborhood and the street was real narrow. Not only that but he was opening up this health food store on the second floor of this commercial building and he was the only business on this second floor. And as I watched him doing this Sid I knew in my dream that he was going to fail because he was opening up this health food store in the wrong location. Well, the next morning because I have a practice you know of writing down my dreams I began to you know write the dream down I had to force myself…
Sid: Excuse me, I have to ask you this “When you write them down do you it immediately after you wake up or do you do it a time later?
Kirt: Sometimes immediately, sometimes I go down and get a cup of coffee and I just sit in my couch in silence and that’s when I begin to record. I generally don’t have a problem if I have a cup of coffee I still remember everything’s fresh in my mind. Because the first that I do when I get out of bed is I think about my dreams, as soon as I’m getting out of bed I think I ask the Lord to cleanse me for the day.
Sid: So you have actually an expectation and excitement.
Kirt: Oh, I absolutely do, I’ve seen God so many times speak to me in dreams. Now let me say that I absolutely know that all dreams are not from God in fact most of our dreams are not from God. Most dreams come from our own psyche, but some dreams comes from the dreams a small percentage come from God; we need to be paying attention.
Sid: Let’s go back to this dream you saw a guy in a health food store.
Kirt: So I begin to write this dream out only because I’m in the practice of doing it, I think what is this dream; what do I know about a health food store this is probably just some strange dream and it means nothing. But because I’m in the discipline I started writing it out. As soon as I started writing it out Sid I realized you know what? I’m kind of in the health business, you know I’m ministering the Spirit of God I’m ministering the Spirit of Health to people. And then I started seeing where this guy was opening up his health food store in this old dilapidated neighborhood and I realized that you know that kind of looks like the neighborhood that I’m in contract to buy this building in. Then I realized that this was the only building in my dream the only commercial building in the neighborhood and I realized you know what we’re the only commercial building in our neighborhood. And then I saw in the dream that the guy was on the second floor and no other business were up there and he was going to fail. And I said “You know what I think God’s telling me that I’m not supposed to be buying this property and we’re going to fail if I purchase this property here.” Sid based on that dream I called my leadership team together I said “I believe the Lord’s spoken to me and I don’t think that we’re supposed to buy this property.” Through a strange series of events the contract that we signed was not valid and it had nothing to do with us it had to do with the other end. We were released from the contract, a pastor called me up and offered to allow me to use his building and basically all I’m paying over there is the utilities it’s a great building. My congregation has doubled in this new building. And if we had been locked in to where I was we were already filled up in that place, we just thought that we were going to buy it because we could afford it and we could have later built in back and it would have been a terrible mistake. And so just direction that God give in dreams I think of the Apostle Paul in the Book of Acts and how in Acts Chapter 16 he was wanting to fulfill God’s mission and he was on his way to minister to a certain group of people. But the Bible says in a vision of the night, and I believe the the term dream and vision of the night is synonyms they mean the same thing. We see this in like I said “Job 33 verse 15 it says “In a dream a vision of the night…” they’re the same thing. So here’s Paul he’s going one direction but God appears to him in a dream and he sees these people from Macedonia saying “Come, come over here and preach the gospel.” And the Bible says Paul concluded that he was supposed of go to Macedonia; you see many of our listeners right now have decisions that they need to make in their life for direction. They don’t know what house to buy, they don’t know what job to take; they don’t know who to get married to. The Bible doesn’t tell us these things, the Bible gives us God general revelation but God speaks to us in His Spirit to give us his specific revelation. And one of the primary ways that God speaks to His people with His Spirit is in the dreams. The Bible says “He who has an ear to ear let him hear what the Spirit is saying to His people.” If we’re not paying attention to our dreams Sid we’re not listening because the Bible specifically says in Acts 2 that “Now that the Spirits been poured out upon us He’s going to speak to us in our dreams.” To disregard our dreams is to disregard the voice of God.
Sid: You said not all dreams are from God, how do you know the one that are from God and the one that are from …I hate to use the example, Pizza.
Kirt: Exactly, great question great question and once again I’m not a connect the dots type of a person. I believe that if we will seek God to grow in our ability to hear His voice in our dreams then we’ll begin to recognize over a period of time which dreams are from him. Now often times God will give me a dream about something Sid and I’ll think it’s from God and I’ll be watching and I’ll be paying attention and I won’t forget about it, but I just kind of wait and see. But the thing is that when the thing that God showed me comes to pass, then I’m prepared for what happens because God already showed me in a dream. What I’m saying is okay if this, this and this and this happens then you know it’s from God. But I am saying that if a person will begin to pay attention to their dreams; if they’ll begin to write them out, what’s going to happen is God is going to begin to perfect them in their ability to discern His voice.
Sid: Well, you know I’m reminded of a scripture you shared earlier this week from the Prophet Joel that in the last days one of the phenomena we’ll be experiencing is dreams.
Sid: And I have to believe we’re in the last days right now we’ve been in it since Pentecost but we’re really in it right now. Kirt when people take your seminar or listen to these two CD series called “Prophecy Dreams and Visions” what type of reports are you getting?
Kirt: Well recently I ministered at a pastor’s church that he was in a situation financially he didn’t know what to do he called me two days after I ministered there and he said “God showed him what to do in a dream after that.” People in my congregation because I teach in this so often they begin to receive information from the Lord in their dreams.
Sid: I know a lot of people do because when I listen to it it just perked things up again rather than a lot of the confusion I had on all of these symbols and how am I ever going to know. You just made it so simple; tell me some specific things that people have been told about in dreams.
Kirt: Well, for example we see Abraham, God reveals Israel future to Abraham in a dream when he falls into a trance and he sees the Spirit of God moving through the two pieces of the sacrifice. But let’s go through the Book of Genesis 15 verse 17 – 15 again. Again Abraham sees God’s future and I already shared an example of one of the previous broadcasts of how God many times has shown me the future of something that’s going to happen in my congregation with this specific individual in dreams. In Genesis 28:10-16 we see Jacob receiving encouragement from God in a dream where he’s running for his life. He’s from his brother Esau, he’s all alone and he’s completely lost and terrified and directionless and we know the story. And he goes to sleep at the place of Bethel and puts his head upon the rock and as he puts his head upon the rock Sid and falls asleep God appears to him in a dream he sees a ladder extending from Heaven to earth and angels ascending and descending upon the ladder. And the Lord speaks to him and says “I am with you” and isn’t it amazing that Jacob wakes up and he says “You know what the Lord is in this place and I knew it not.” In other words How did Jacob receive the encouragement that he needed to know that God was involved in the affairs of earth and more specifically in his life? He received that encouragement in the dream when God spoke to him and said “I am with you and will keep you wherever you go.” And often times He speaks to His people to give them encouragement they need but particularly when they are going through hard times through a dream. I remember many years ago Sid I went to sleep one night and in my sleep God just allowed me feel the pain that was in my soul. I was not aware of the pain in my soul and it was like the most excruciating pain of soul I’ve ever felt in my life and then suddenly in my dream and there is no question in my mind that this was a literal angel and angel spoke to me. I did not see the angel I heard his voice and he said to me “You’re on the right path.” And I cried out in my hurt so bad Sid that I cried out and I said “If I’m on the right path why does it hurt so much?” And then the angel spoke to me in a kind voice but he said to me “Maybe if you’d cooperate more it wouldn’t hurt so much.” In that dream I found both encouragement and direction; the encouragement to know that even though you know I was hurting that I was on the right path and that God was saying to me “If you’ll learn how to yield to me more it’s not going to hurt so much.” Just like Jacob found encouragement in his dream that God was with him I found encouragement in my dream that God was with me at a time when I was feeling tremendous pain.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have their eyes opened so they can see on earth what God has already done in heaven. Have their ears open so they can hear on earth what God has already spoken in heaven. You see that’s the realm of eternity to be able to be spokesmen for the living God. This is your heart’s desire, and I have a couple that’s moving in this realm. My guests are Anita and David Duggan, speaking to them at their office. They work with the Gary Oates Ministry. David before we went on the air I said to you “What is God showing you?” Tell me now what God is showing you.
David: Sid we are in the final hours of the last days. One of the ways we know that that is agreed upon by theologians throughout the earth is what’s happening with the nation of Israel. It’s been probably about 3 years ago, but the Lord spoke to me very clearly and He said to me “That in these last days before the return of Jesus that the distance between heaven and earth is diminishing.” I saw in the realm of the spirit that that divider, that veil, between what we see in the natural and those eternal things that are unseen in the realm of the spirit that that distance was narrowing. That is the reason that these angelic visitations, us being allowed by the grace of God to see what He’s doing by His Spirit and through angelic ministry is becoming more and more pronounced throughout the church around the world.
Sid: I’m getting reports, there seems to be an increase of people’s eyes being opened to see angels. I’ve never heard so many stories as I’m hearing now. Not that we’re looking for angels, but the truth is there are angels ministering to us all around us. How much better when we can see them as opposed to not seeing them?
Sid: As a matter of fact Anita, I remember the first time I met you, you walk around with your camera all the time and you take pictures, and literally in many of your pictures… like do you see the angels before you take the picture, or do you see it after?
Anita: No I either see a light, some type of light moving, or some type of little ray that comes down, or I actually see a form of an angel. When I take a picture I would say 9 times out of 10 they’re there.
Sid: Now tell me about that trip to Peru with that little child.
Anita: Again it was our first trip and there was a young couple that came through the jungle, they travelled 3 hours to come to this crusade. Their baby had been sick for weeks, and the baby had not been able to take any nourishment at all. The father was holding this child, he was lifeless. I’m not going to say this child was close to death because I don’t know, but his feet were limp, his legs were limp, his arms he was totally lifeless. The baby had not been able to keep any nourishment for 2 weeks. They did not know what was wrong with the baby, and this child was very very close to death. I prayed over this baby, and I didn’t know this, David told me this. The next night they went up on stage with a healthy baby that was totally healed, and they were testifying how the glory of God came in and healed and revived their child to wholeness.
Sid: You also told me before we went on the air that you were getting an impression about someone that has a young child, or a child that’s having a critical problem.
Anita: Yes. I had an actual vision of seeing parents crying out in distress that they have lost total hope in their child being healed. That the doctors have given them a negative report and that they have given up all hope and that this child was going to die; I know in the name of Jesus that God is going to heal that child.
Sid: I agree in Jesus name. Now I want either of you tell me of some healings that you’ve seen.
David: Sid the most amazing healing that Anita and I have ever seen occurred in Cali, Colombia. It was a young woman her name was Amanda, she was 38 years old. She was bound to a wheelchair; she was barely over 4 feet tall; she had some type of degenerative condition so that she was losing her motor skills, her hands were twisted and held at chest level; her right leg was completely atrophied; no muscle tone; her skin hanging just like a wet limp dishrag. There was a tumor on her knee; there were splotches, dark splotches on the complexion of her face, and her arms and legs. They rolled this lady up to Anita and myself; we knelt down in front of her and began to pray. Anita put her hand on the tumor, and the Holy Spirit directed my eyes to this women’s hair, her hair was very vibrant and thick and beautiful. The Holy Spirit said to me “Pray that her body will be as healthy as her hair.” I prayed that prayer that cancer, or that tumor under Anita’s hand melted away, and as we watched this woman it was like an action adventure film where you see a character morph from one condition to another. The Spirit of God started at the top of her head, her complexion cleared up, her hands straightened out. She began screaming with delight, her right leg the muscle tone came back, she began pushing out of the wheelchair and taking tentative steps. We were holding her and helping her; she had a condition I think it was called Scoliosis where the spinal column, I mean her spinal column was literally shape like a “C.” I wasn’t even aware of that condition at all, I just had my hand on her back, and I could feel here spinal column crunching and cracking as it moved from left to right as I was facing her and came into a straight and perfect alignment.
Anita: Her mother was behind her sobbing, and I asked the interpreter to ask her mother “If she had walked before?” Her mother said “She hadn’t walked since she was a little itty bitty child.”
Sid: My goodness, now you two have seen some so many miracles. Do you two have the faith to be in agreement right now for people to be healed of anything? Have you seen the deaf hear?
Anita: Yes I have.
Sid: Have you seen the blind get their sight?
Anita: Yes I have.
Sid: Obviously you have seen the lame walk, how about the mute be able to speak?
Anita: Oh, our last trip to Peru!
Sid: Tell me about that.
Anita: This woman came in with 2 little children. It was a church that David got to preach at. My interpreter said “The child was about,” one was 5 and one was about 3 or 4. My interpreter said that the mother told him “That the daughter, the 5 year old, had a speech impediment and couldn’t speak hardly at all, and the little baby had never spoken.” I bent down to their level and laid my fingers on their mouths, [crying] and I just asked the Lord to open their vocal chords up so they could speak and free them. The little started saying my name “Anita, Anita,” and the little boy opened his mouth and said “Anita, Anita.” They were just able to speak, and the little girl followed me… God healed them Sid.
Anita: He healed them instantly. They were able to talk and it just happened a few weeks ago.
Sid: David I want you to start a prayer, and Anita I want you to finish it for people to be healed, and people also to be able to see in the spirit, hear in the spirit like the two of you do.
David: Before I pray there’s somebody that has a high lateral hernia and God is healing that. Having said that Father we ask in Jesus name that there would be a release of faith in the hearts of Your people; those who are listening to this broadcast that there would be a release of faith that miracles of healing could take place, whatever that need might be. Anxiety, relief from stress, relief from the cares of this world and all of the diseases that are associated with stress, I pray in the name of Jesus that there would be a release of the peace of God in the hearts and lives of those who are listening that would bring relief from physical conditions that are related to stress in the name of Jesus.
Anita: Thank you Lord. Father I thank you that Your word never comes back void. I thank You Lord that when we cry out that You are there to help us, that You hear our voice. Lord I thank you that You ears are in tune to our voice. Father I pray right now in the name of Jesus that You would open up a clear vessel to our senses. Father I pray for our eyes, Lord I pray that You would open people’s spiritual eyes to be able to see into the spiritual realm. Lord I pray that You would open people’s ears, fine tune their ears Lord to hear what the Spirit has to say. Lord I pray that You would open our mouths that we would only speak the words that You would have us to speak Lord. Father I pray for all of our senses; Father I pray for the lost Lord I pray that if You would reach down and touch Jewish ears to open up and hear the voice of God, Lord I pray in the name of Jesus that You would come down in a mighty sovereign way and heal Your people’s hearts in the name of Jesus.
Sid: Mishpochah, I believe that God’s Spirit is being released on you for anything that you need especially pain of all kinds be gone now Jesus name.
Sid: Well we’re coming into the most exciting time to be alive for a Bible believer; probably the most horrific time to be alive for a non-Bible believer. And it’s my heart’s desire that you fulfill your destiny especially since God has called us to be alive at this greatest move of God’s Spirit in history. I want to do two things with you this week; First, I want to get you meditating on one promise of God every day this week and the promise that I love, and we will start with Acts 10:38 which says “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit, with power and went about doing good, healing all who were oppressed by the devil for God was with him.” And I want you to personalize this, here’s how I would do it or how I do it actually. “God anointed me,” you follow because Jesus lives inside of you so God anointed. And the word anointed means He literally smeared the Holy Spirit on you. And can you picture God doing that say this with me “God anointed me with His Holy Spirit and with His power, I go about doing good and healing all who are oppressed by the devil; for God is with me.” Can you picture saying that 20 times every day and getting that into your spirit. And saying that God literally took His Holy Spirit smeared it all over you. He took His power and He smeared His power all over you so that you are now equipped to do good; you are now equipped to do all that God’s called you to do. You can heal all who are oppressed by the devil; why, because God is with you; so we’ll work on that every day this week.
Just as important as mediating on God’s word, is speaking in supernatural languages, speaking in tongues. Why is this so important? Well for starters when you see the devil work so hard, over time if you will to demote tongues and supernatural languages to the backroom in most congregations that no better; they know the importance of praying in tongues; you know that this is important. As a matter of fact, I want to take you back many many years ago when I was just investigating about Jesus. As a Jewish man I went to a Bible study and all of a sudden someone in the Bible study started praying in tongues, and I was so intrigued I said, “What is that, what is that language?” And the person said, “I’m speaking from my Spirit an unknown language.” And I thought “Boy I’d like to do that,” Now I know that the Bible says you’re not supposed to pray in tongues with non-Believers present but I can just tell you that was the most intriguing that I saw that someone could speak in a language that they never been taught. So after I became a believer the first thing I wanted was to be filled with the Spirit of God and be able to speak in this supernatural language that intrigued me so much. So I remember going to a Full Gospel’s Businessman’s meeting and at the end of the meeting they said “Any one that wants to be born again go in this corner, any one that wants to speak in supernatural languages and be filled and baptized with the Holy Spirit go over in this corner.” So I immediately went there, someone put their hand on me we prayed the Holy Spirit would just flood my being and I would be able to worship God in a language I never been instructed. And you know what as a new believer I didn’t ask how, I just said “Okay.” If someone told me I could have walked on water back then, I wished they had I believe I would have walked on water. This man said, “You’re filled with the Holy Spirit and you can speak in supernatural tongues.” I hadn’t been trained to say “Well, how do I do it?” I just started speaking he just said to speak and I just started speaking. I spoke in a supernatural language but almost immediately after this occurred that evening or the next morning a little voice said, “You’re making that all up.” And I got paralyzed by fear. Isn’t it interesting the Bible tells us “God hasn’t given us a spirit of fear,” so if God hasn’t given us a spirit of fear I’ll give you a guess who gave the spirit of fear. So I stopped praying in tongues for fear, and that’s the word, that I would displease God I was just making it up. And then one day an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi came to the Lord and I got to know him a little bit; I was standing with him one day and a woman came up and she was pregnant and she said “The doctors tell me my baby is dead within me.” And so Rabbi Essie looked over at me and he said “Sid pray for this woman.” And I’m a new believer how do you pray for the dead to come back to life as a new believer. Now again if they had caught me as I was brand new I probably would have had no doubts but I learned just enough about religion that I was really kind of concerned; I mean how was I going to pray for this person and I can’t even tell you why but I started praying in tongues for this individual and then she left. Then the Rabbi looked at me and said “Sid, do you know what you’re praying.” I said “Absolutely not.” He said “I do, you’re praying in an ancient form of Aramaic and this is what you said, “You said that the child is with God the Father and be at peace.” And I’ll tell you what, after that I never doubted, I was praying in the Holy Spirit, but here’s the truth if you ask your earthly father for bread he’s not going to give you a stone or a serpent, how much more will your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those that ask Him.” So I wish that I had trusted God before I did; but you know I guess you know “The Bible says the Jew requires a sign.” I needed a sign that it was authentic. Then I would pray in tongues an hour a day and I promise you you see going on the ministry of “Its Supernatural/Messianic Vision” is a result of that one hour a day. And if you don’t get anything else from the message today get this, you must, I mean it’s essential that you start praying in supernatural languages, in tongues, one hour every day because of what’s going to happen on planet earth. And when you find out what’s going on you won’t be forced to it won’t be a discipline it might start as a discipline, but it’ll be the best time of your life as you’re doing this.
A lot of people question that when they’re baptized in the Holy Spirit do all the people speak in tongues? And that’s a good question, the only answer that I have is what the Bible says. I did a study of the book of Acts and in every case where people were baptized with the Holy Spirit it said they spoke in tongues, it didn’t actually mention it when Paul was baptized but later on he spoke a great deal about speaking in tongues. There was one case where it wasn’t mentioned and so we’re working on 100% except for one case. Now it didn’t say it didn’t happen but it did not say it did happen and that is in the book of Acts the 8th chapter the 14th verse. Do you remember when Peter and John went to Samaria and they prayed for the people to receive the Holy Spirit and Simon the sorcerer it says saw or observed power when the laid hands and wanted the baptism. What did he see? What did he observe that he was willing to pay money for this? I believe what he saw them doing is praying in supernatural languages don’t you. Now, do you have to speak in tongues to be saved? This is another question that a lot of people ask and the answer is absolutely not. But when you find out what you’ve missed you’ll be very sorry that you didn’t pray in tongues. You are saved by repenting of you sins and believing in Jesus plus nothing.
Now the next question, “Have supernatural languages or tongues ceased?” 1st Corinthians Chapter 13 verses 8-12 says “Whether there are tongues they will cease.” Well, then the question is “When are tongues going to cease.” Paul says that they’re going to cease. Verse 9 “For we know in part and we prophesy in part.” Verse 10 “That which is perfect has come and then that which is in part will be done away.” A lot of people think perfect is Bible or perfect is Jesus, well that’s just because they didn’t read the next verse, verse 12. And it says what the perfect is and I believe it’s the return of Jesus; whenever that happens for now we see in a mirror dimly but then face to face. We’re going to see Jesus face to face, “Now I know in part but then I shall know just as I also am known.” In other words you’re going to know everything, so I maintain that the perfect or Jesus not returned face to face with us because we don’t know everything. It’s important that after Paul said “Tongues will cease.” You know what he started doing he started saying in 1st Corinthians 14 verse 5 “I wish you all spoke in tongues.” After tongues would cease.
Well, our time has slipped away ….
Sid: My guest Eddie James is red hot for the Messiah. Now I have to ask you this question Eddie “Your assistant told us that you spend,” because we do a lot of vetting of guests most people don’t realize it but we do. “You spend up to 8 hours a day with the Lord.” Why do you do that?
Eddie: Well, ultimately because I love Him I just love the Word, I love prayer, I love talking of His goodness, and I really mean that when I say that. I am fascinated with the person of Jesus Christ with the presence of the Holy Spirit. It’s really some people you know do this because they want to be anointed for ministry or be ready to reach out to people. Which I believe in all of that but I just love, I just…It sounds so cliché but if you fall in love with the person of Jesus you fall in love with His presence there is no other place. That Psalm 27 for reality that says one thing “That I desire that which I will seek after that I may dwell in the House of the Lord all the days of my life to behold His beauty inquire in His temple” is truly real in my soul, that’s real to me. That I can speak of His word, I can dig into His word all day and find that could be my fun. You know I used to spend some time at IHOP and Misty Edwards she would spend 18 hours with God and Mike Bickel asked her “Why do you do that go watch a movie, go do something else.” She said “This is indulgence. If I have to choose between going to have fun over there and being on my keyboard worshipping God I’d rather do that.” And that’s the core value of my soul; there isn’t a Facebook, or Twitter, or a movie that would fascinate me more than any level…
Sid: Yeah Eddie your just normal; unfortunately we want the whole world to be normal they’re not. But I have to ask you this question you have bumped into angels that put out fires, tell me about that.
Eddie: Okay now this is crazy; about two or three months ago it was September we were headed from Charleston, Maine to Pennsylvania to do some ministry with the young people that I minister with. The back of our bus caught on fire. So it’s in the middle of the night about 1:00 in the morning we’re in the middle of nowhere and we calmly bring everybody off the bus. I have no fire extinguisher obviously aboard and I didn’t know what to do we just filled the bus up what are we going to do? So as we’re praying about this saying “Lord make away.” This guy just drives up out of nowhere just drives up and just drives up in this diesel looking thing just pulls over to side; get’s out, goes to the bus and puts out the fire and get’s in his truck and continues on. Now what freaks me out about this is he didn’t say “Hi” he didn’t say “You guys okay, I’ve come to help I saw a fire over here; it was all I could do.” He didn’t say “Are you all good?” He just get’s out of his vehicle, goes and puts it out and gets back into his vehicle. As while he was doing that everybody that’s with me had this strange but powerful peace just descending over our hearts; get’s back into our hearts get’s into that truck and drives off. Everybody said “That was an angel there was no way that that could have happened; that was nothing but God that came and took care of that,” and that was wild.
Sid: Okay I want everyone listening to us right now if you are in a position for your miracle we’re going to play some Eddie James music in a second and when we finish I want you to let out the greatest shout you have every been capable of and the walls of Jericho they came down when the Jewish people shouted. The prison in your life whatever it is it could be sickness, it could be poverty it could be children and drugs, it could be homosexuality, whatever that is that you want a breakthrough on when you shout watch what God can do for you. Eddie tell me very, very briefly about the song “Ruach.”
Eddie: Ruach is based on Joshua the 6th where when they let up that shout, it was really a shout of victory over the enemy that when I looked up the word shout it had the word there as a connected to the word shout, meaning the shout of victory over the enemy. And you find that same idea when David slays Goliath and the armies of God that had been hiding. Comes out from hiding and begins to shout a victory shout over the Philistine army. And as you were just setting that song up I got this vision of an elderly lady grandson whose 18 years old, she’s believing for his salvation and deliverance from drugs. And I just saw her shouting and her grandson walks into house bows his knee to Jesus Christ. I just feel like I need to release that. At first I was little shout with that but God said I believe the elderly grandmother going to see her 18 year old grandson come to know Jesus as she by faith begins to lift up her shout.
Sid: Eddie and I will shout with you and it’s going to be so many miracles “Ruah.”
Sid: I have the Director of Morning Star Ministries Rick Joyner on the telephone. I’m interviewing him on one of the most powerful books that I have read in a long long time. It’s one of these books that will get you hungrier for God than you are. And the truth of the matter is your mind says you want to but you’re not doing anything about it so you need a good kick in the pants by the Holy Spirit. Rick Joyner I think that if this book doesn’t do it nothing will what do you think?
Rick: Well, the stories included there you know a lot of that I’m just quoting the history; it’s facts straight from the newspapers, straight from the accounts of those revivals from personal witnesses and…
Sid: But it makes me so hungry for God when I read this but you have a prophetic edge to what you’re writing you’re not just writing history you’re writing what’s about ready to happen.
Rick: Well, I do believe it is a prophetic history that is many ways are outlines or guidelines for, I believe revivals that are going to come upon America, Europe many other places in these times and that’s why I wrote them. But the accounts themself have got to make you jealous; I mean they should provoke us to jealousy.
Sid: Well this revival, the Welsh revival, 10,000 miles away there were some people by the name of Frank Bartleman, and William Seymour, and Pastor I don’t know how to pronounce it Smiley.
Rick: Uh ha.
Sid: And Bartleman wrote to the human agency that God used for the Welsh revival. How in the world did Evan Roberts have time to even answer his letter?
Rick: Well, I think he was so sensitive to the Lord because he was inundated with mail, I’m sure he had far more mail than he could even read much less answer. And he would get this one and take the time and communicate with Bartleman like that; it was one of the two major sparks of the Azusa Street revival; it is truly remarkable. Just another demonstration of his discernment.
Sid: But if he had no communicated with him who knows if the revival would have…because he gave him advice on what was necessary to get the revival going. You can see God’s hand on that and you’re right it had to be God for him to take the time and write a how to manual if you will. And tell me about this fellow Charles Parham.
Rick: Charles Parham you know was I think rightly credited by many of being the grandfather of the Pentecostal outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Azusa Street and whole Pentecostal movement. And you know he too had a remarkable hunger for God and when he read the accounts of the way God moved in the early church he just became jealous. And why can’t God move that way here now; and he started praying the Baptism in the Holy Spirit like the early church apostles and…
Sid: Well, it seems to me in reading your book he was constantly challenged by the great divide between what he read in the Bible and what was going on in the churches.
Rick: Oh yeah he was, and he became desperate. He didn’t turn his back on the church though he turned to God for the answers you know. And I think that’s a big difference, a lot of people just become disgruntled and discouraged and this way and he didn’t. He exercised his faith and said “God can do it again and God will do it again.” And he pursued God for years before he experienced what he was seeking. But you know I think there’s a basic spiritual principal that anything that comes to easy or too fast is usually insignificant. And some of these like Evan Roberts, and Parham, and you know William Seymour, Bartleman these guys went through literally years of desperate search for God. It’s because of the significance of what He wanted to pour out through them they never got discouraged.
Sid: But now there was a prayer meeting on January 1, 1901 that you and many others say was a defining moment of Christianity for the 20th century; tell me about that.
Rick: Well, that was the first time that it’s recorded in modern history in that and you know or in a way I guess it had to impact of someone speaking in tongues again. And the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was evidence of speaking in tongues and it sent shock waves, you know it started with the single girl. And it just sent shock waves throughout the Body of Christ for some reason and got peoples’ attention why don’t we do that, “Why don’t we have the same gifts that they had in the first century.” And many many became challenged with just “Why don’t we see the same things today that they saw in the scriptures.”
Sid: Now Parham had a Bible School, and segregation was big time at that time, but there was son of a slave; a one eyed black man by the name of William Seymour. Is it true that he would go to Parham’s meeting sit outside the door because he wasn’t allowed in?
Rick: That’s true Parham would leave the door cracked for Seymour to just sit outside, but he was so hungry and I think Parham really loved William Seymour but he was just captured in the old south segregationist mentality. And he had what he thought was theological basis for it. And you know he kept it until the end of his life sadly you know; I think that’s what would cause Parham to actually later even reject the great move of God that he had helped prepare the way for which too often happens.
Sid: The human problem.
Rick: It is and it’s repeated throughout history, but Parham I think he still deserving of honor and it’s a tragic shame that this one thing kept him from really entering; it was kind of like Moses he could get to the edge but God wouldn’t let him go in the promise land.
Sid: It’s almost like Martin Luther; look at all the wonderful things Martin Luther did and then later in life he wrote all this stuff that Hitler used to inflame people against Jewish people
Rick: Yeah, it’s a tragedy you know the real fly in the ointment. You’re right I believe we still need to learn from and honor but there are many things we want to discern and not copy, not take from others.
Sid: Okay, but I’ll tell you of all the people in the revival the one that intrigues me the most is that black man by the name of William Seymour; tell me about him.
Rick: He is one of the great men of God of all time I think that there is no question about that; you know for his hunger, for his faith, his devotion against all opposition; humiliations everything else he just would not give up in his pursuit of God. And even you know, he spent years in pursuit of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It poured out Azusa Street until almost all the other members of the prayer meeting except for him.
Sid: And he’s the leader.
Rick: He’s the leader, everybody else gets it and he didn’t give up he was thankful for them happy and kept on his own pursuit until…
Sid: I’ll tell you what I don’t think I could have handled that Rick. (Laughing)
Rick: Great soul and he was truly one of the great souls of Christian history. You know I was asked to speak at a Divinity School over at Wake Forest University and I was carried over there. And you know this was on old Southern Baptist School, not a Pentecostal; it was a Baptist University and they had this Hall of Faith that they had erected. The Dean of the school took me around. He wanted to show me the only member that they had put in the Hall of Faith from the 20th Century was William Seymour; who had the Pentecostal Revival. They considered him one of the greatest, possibly the greatest man of God of the 20th Century, remarkable.
Sid: What would happen at one of his meetings?
Rick: Well, anything could happen you know, there were stories…
Sid: That’s my kind of meeting but go ahead. (Laughing)
Rick: They could not have been boring that’s for sure, I mean they attracted every kind of person, the super wealthy would sit next to washerwoman, and I mean they were on a…they finally rented the stable at Azusa Street with a dirt floor. It wasn’t dirt it was actually a dung floors like the stable the Lord was born in you know.
Sid: Oh my goodness.
Rick: And I mean they would be on their knees on their faces you know, they would and just anything could happen. God could use anybody in any of the meetings and sometimes William Seymour the leader would be seen sitting in a corner with a box over his head because he didn’t want to be distracted by people he just wanted to seek the Lord.
Sid: My goodness what would happen if in every city in the United States the Pastor of the First Baptist Church would on a Sunday morning put a box over his head and let anything happen that wants to happen? I think we would have another major revival.
Rick: Yeah, there’s and that’s the kind of a it seems like one true basic characteristic of faith of these great revivalist who sparked these great revivals or moves of God in history was they wanted God more than they cared about anybody on this earth thought. And that’s what Paul the apostle said, “If I were still seeking to please man I would not be a bond servant of Christ.” And I think we’ve got to be delivered of that fear of man and even the desire and getting our encouragement by how many people come to our meetings or how many people buy our books or anything else. But are we pleasing God, is He coming to our meetings. You know when He comes I don’t believe even the best preachers are going to get the attention when He REALLY comes. And that’s in his manifest presence and that’s what Moses was talking about. You know he’s always with us, he abides in us; we have His Holy Spirit. But there’s something entirely different about the manifest presence of the Lord where He really manifest Himself in His presence. And one touch of that you don’t want anything else you know, I think that everyone who loves the truth loves good preaching, loves good books, and things like that where you’re hungry for it. But more than everything else we signed up to get God, we signed up for him. You know when He comes I think a lot of the things that we really built our ministries on and even our churches and everything else we’re going to see them as not being that important and maybe even insignificant.
Sid: Rick we’re out of time.
Sid: My guest, Dennis Clark, has been taught how we can walk in supernatural peace. The Hebrew word is shalom. When we walk in this peace we can’t walk in stress, when we walk in this peace we can’t walk in worry, and you can do this 24-7. Dennis you’ve been this week on the 5 “G’s” of peace: govern, guide, gather, and we were talking about the fourth one guard. Tell me a couple of testimonies having to do with guard, and what does guard mean?
Dennis: Guard means to keep you safe; keep you secure; keep you safe in His presence regardless of external circumstances. Probably the most noticeable one is we were on a tour with 15 ministers up into the Maritimes. We stopped by a little house group and there were some people getting saved, some getting filled with the Spirit. Suddenly a Micmac Indian woman burst out into an emotional meltdown “I want more too, but you don’t understand the kind of life I lived.” She was going hysterical, and they kind of looked at Jennifer and I to go over there. So we went and less than 20 minutes we prayed her through and 5 clear healings. One she was molested as a child; she was beat by her father with a belt buckle that left scars; she was sexually molested, raped and had three abortions in her life. All 5 of those were major traumas very few people have ever had that amount of traumas in a lifetime. This woman cried out she “Wanted more of God,” but she had all of these things and we led her through in less than 20 minutes. Now all of these were major violations of her personhood, every single one of them were devastating, it would be devastating to anybody. Yet when we taught her how Christ the forgiver in her, and walked her through all 5 instances separately, the manifestation was… and she knew I could tell when it changed inside of her then we would go to the next one. All of a sudden she manifested in the room a countenance change and she says “All around me I feel the peace of God making and keeping me safe. I’ve never felt safer.” All of those were violations her manifestation was safety and violations. She jumped up and she said “I can’t wait, I want this anointing, I want to go back to the reservation.” Actually even one the situations where she saw her son, supposedly, murdered on the reservation right before her eyes.
Dennis: All of these things were heart rending, but the glow on her face, but the passion in her heart…
Sid: But she wanted not just for herself she wanted it for everyone to be healed, and to walk in this supernatural peace. That’s what you want.
Dennis: Yes, absolutely, absolutely.
Sid: You know what’s so amazing to me, that leaders in congregations, pastors never even understood this. When you’ve taught this to some very well-known people, Christian television personalities, and it’s transformed their life, but it can transform anyone’s life. The housewife, a student, a businessman, what would have happened; I could talk about me let alone you, if when I was a child I learned to walk in this peace. Look at all the turmoil I could have gotten rid of.
Dennis: This is what Jennifer and I believe. There’s going to be a generation that are going to say “What’s wrong with you people, what took you so long to deal with your stuff? Didn’t you know you could go directly to God within and have this stuff dealt with?”
Sid: Okay were talking about the 5 “G’s” the fifth one is ground, what does that mean?
Dennis: This is the one that is near and dear to my heart because to manifest to peace I know it is the Prince of Peace who orders and establishes. I believe that as rich of an encounter as we can have in God that there is a progressive way of practicing His presence that grounds us in the reality of it. So in other words, beautiful encounters, beautiful opportunities to impart and experience it, but the greatest truth is having it grounded and established in our hearts, and in our lives by practice, practice, practice.
Sid: That’s why you developed this 60 day challenge.
Dennis: Absolutely, others can do this. We’ve trained little children to do this, and quite frankly they do a little bit better than the very seasoned believer.
Sid: Now tell me about one testimony… oh I’ve got to hear about the woman that after she got healed lost 100 pounds.
Dennis: That was on the coast of North Carolina. Prayed an emotional healing, again not directed toward weight-loss, it was directed toward forgiving, I believe it was her mother, and wept and cried. Said “I’ve been harboring this bitterness for too long, and this is the first time I’ve ever felt peace.” Notified us later that in a
very short period of time she had lost up to 100 pounds, and the supernatural kept happening. People she didn’t know were coming up to her and saying “I have clothes for you.” They were even supplying her with a new wardrobe in the process, and then she turned around and it was kind of like a double blessing, we saw her about a year later. She looked right at my wife Jennifer and she said “Because you’ve turned down millions God will never have you lack in His Kingdom in any way.” Nobody outside of myself knew that Jennifer had at one point in time turned down millions because she wanted a man of God, not a religious person, not money, not safety or provision or security, she wanted a man of God and she was holding out for that. So I’ve got big shoes to fill I guess.
Sid: Is there… I know they need the course, I know were not… everything is not instant, but I believe there’s something you can pray for our Mishpochah that will dramatically change them. Would you pray that now?
Dennis: We just pray right now that Father that the God of Peace would make Himself manifest whether you’re listening in a car, at home, or wherever you’re at. Right now that there would be the weight of His presence would come upon you. As you sense even now the weight of His glory, and the peace that surpasses all your understanding down from the gut, down from the valley absorb, it’s subjective, I don’t know the exact word, but drink it in absorb it, welcome it, open to it, yield to it. Put up no resistance to the gut and let God just penetrate you and write the message of peace and His presence, His purpose, His plan for your life on the tablet of your heart. We ask right now no matter where their at no matter how negative the circumstances are that right now there will be a supernatural peace will begin to envelope them and unfold upon them. Open your heart to make peace, and make yourself available, make peace with all people, and to pursue that peace and He will make Himself available to meet every need every need in your life. From that place of peace all of the attributes of God rise up on the inside of you according to your need.
Sid: In this peace, Dennis, there is power there is healing. Like for instance I saw someone with something wrong with their shoulder, if you’ll move your shoulder you’ll see the pain and the discomfort is all gone. Other’s their back is being healed, all pain is leaving. Are you seeing anything as far as physical or emotional healing Dennis?
Dennis: Yes I’m seeing rejection; I’m seeing people that have suffered their whole life with rejection. That the perfect peace of God is moving on you in such a way that it is casting out all rejection. His undivided attention and His desire to make Himself known to you to see you as the apple of His eye. He wants to give you by the Spirit undivided attention; He wants to give you Himself the affection and the attention. I see people with holes on the inside of them and it’s the way God sees, and I don’t care if your life was like Swiss cheese all that you needed and never received God wants to minister that to you right now. He wants to fill that with Himself and He fills every hole with His nature, His divine nature. You become a partaker, you absorb it it’s engrafted, drink it in right now absorb it. That was the Word that when I discipled Jennifer she kept saying “It’s absorbing, it’s absorbing I’m drinking it in, I’m taking it in.” I want you all that you needed and never received from people. I want you to drink it right in. Peace is ministering right now, supernatural peace the weight of God is ministering to mental illness right now. There are people that have been troubled and God’s peace is coming and displacing the negative dark powers that have ruled and reigned over that thought processes. His peace is blanketing and rising up on the inside of the individuals right now and bringing clarity to troubled minds. I just see multitudes of people with troubled minds receiving clarity. That’s going to be the word that’s going to describe it. Suddenly clarity, suddenly everything makes sense, suddenly this relationship with God was sufficient.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Graham Cooke and for many of you you’re familiar with his ministry. I’ve heard about him for years and I’m so looking forward to this interview because he doesn’t know this, but I grabbed hold of his latest book and it’s called “Approaching the Heart of Prophecy.” It was like every page he had things in there are so beneficial; Graham It’s a mentoring book that’s what this is, would you there’s something and we’re going to go out of order but it’s such an important point. You know Mishpochah if you don’t catch anything else in this interview I want you to understand Graham’s approach with the subject called, “Grace Growers,” Graham would you explain what a grace grower is.
Graham: (laughing) “Grace Growers,” yeah I think it’s a great term to describe people that make us tired, weary, angry, who seem to approach us and catch us in moments when we are finding it difficult to represent who God really is in terms of his nature and character. People rub it up the wrong way you know and I guess we all have those in our lives and now I’ve got sometimes I feel I have more than my share. And so for me it just became… I wanted to find a really positive way not only of enabling me to develop at least a conversation if not a relationship with those people, but also to learn and to develop something in my own relationship with the Holy Spirit. So I chose to see the whole situation as one where I could grow in grace and learn how to see them as God saw them so that I could actually speak in a way that could actually glorify God, and actual be beneficial to them and to myself.
Sid: Now you gave an example of three men that took it upon themselves to tell everyone how awful you were followed you around from meeting to meeting. It was your own fan club doing the opposite of what fans are supposed to do, your own heckling club.
Graham: Yeah, it was probably 25 years ago, I first started doing schools of prophecy. There weren’t too many people doing them and so it was very new. You know what it’s like in the church sometimes with something new everyone’s wary and suspicious and some people I just think are unkind about the whole process of learning something new. So I had these three guys and we privately called them the “Three Stooges” because they would find out where I was going to do a school next. They would visit that place a month beforehand, talk to all the leaders of churches and say you know just terrible things like “Don’t let your people go to this guy, he’s in the occult and he’s this, he’s that and he’s the other.” And they would hand out leaflets beforehand. Then they would sign in to come to the event and they would outside with plaque cards and photographs and leaflets, don’t let this guy, if you have to go in there don’t let this guy pray over you, don’t let him touch you, don’t let him prophesy over you. And then they would come in put all their placards at the back of the hall and sit right in the front row right in front of the lectern and they would have note pads. They would take notes of everything I said
Sid: For the purpose of using it against you.
Graham: Absolutely. Then they had a news letter they put out all the mistakes they felt I made and everything. So remember this went on for months event after event, after event. They really felt they had a call from the Lord to expose me, unmask me or do something horrendous. So I remember crying out “So Lord please kill them, make it slow.” Thankfully He didn’t answer that prayer.
Graham: Then this had gone on for like two years Sid and it was just horrible and we were in this extended time of fasting and praying saying Lord “What do we do with these guys you know?” And then one night I had a dream which changed everything and in the dream I tend to have dreams that are usually revelatory where I’m in the Throne Room and the Lord is sat on the Throne and I’m sat on arm of His throne with my legs over His lap. And usually our heads are together and we’re talking, so my dream starts out this way and the Lord just said to me, “So would you like to see something?” So I said, “Sure.” And an angel kind of wheeled in this huge block of marble that must have been 6’ tall 4’ wide 3’ deep. The Lord said, “What do you think about that?” And I said, “It’s the most beautiful piece of stone I’ve ever seen.” And He said, “Would you like to see something else?” And I said, “Yeah.” And then it’s like the Lord Jesus walked into view and stuck his finger a quarter of inch into the marble and just began to trace the outline of this figure, of this person.” And when He’s finished He turned and I remember Him smiling kind of a slow smile and faintly mischievous and walking out of shot. The Father said to me “So would you like to see that made?” And I said, “Yeah,” and so He gave a command and just three pairs of hands with a hammer and chisel in each hand just came and just began to chisel this outline of this figure to make this statue. And the Father said to me “You know Graham the work will go much faster if you encourage them.” And so I just began to speak out and to bless you; all power to you and that kind of thing. And the Father’s laughing and saying “No, no you’ll have to be much more stronger than that.” And so I began shouting, eventually I’m standing on the arm this throne with my hand on top of God’s head. And I’m shouting, I’m pointing my finger, blessing, power, strength and all around me everyone’s laughing, there are angels. One angel on the floor in particular is crying with laughter and he’s beating is wings like beating the floor. And it’s just laughter it’s just absolute pandemonium everywhere, and then eventually it’s finished. I remember thinking down and being absolutely exhausted in my throat you know because I was shouting actually at the top of my voice and then the Father said, “So what do you think” and I looked to the statue and it’s so beautiful Sid I start to cry and I said “Lord it’s astonishing.” He said, “Yeah that’s exactly how I see you and I said “Really.” and He said, “Yeah, that’s what I making you into;” and then He said, “Now would you like to thank the sculptures” and I said “Yeah, sure that would be great.” And out from behind it popped these three men.
Sid: Oh no.
Graham: They had been following me around and I looked and I remember I shouted so loud, “Ah,” that I woke myself up. And suddenly I’m in my bedroom, I’m shouting out loud; my wife is saying “What, what,” I’m just I’m almost incoherent I saying “The stooges, God statue, me; I know what they’re doing in my life.” And suddenly it popped in my head, “Son they’re your grace growers I’ve sent them to turn you into someone remarkable.” And then it’s like I had a download so I got out of my bed and went downstairs and I wrote for half an hour. And that’s how this whole thing of grace growers just popped out of this dream I had. (laughing)
Sid: Graham I’ve been studying a bit about what you’ve been teaching and you have a different paradigm for a lot of things.
Sid: You have a different paradigm for the purpose of a Christian, of salvation, for I mean the average Christian when they think of salvation they think of someone grabbing someone getting them to a Billy Graham meeting. Letting them say the prayer of salvation and then finding someone else to do it, totally different paradigm. You have a different paradigm for what church is suppose to be like.
Sid: You have a different paradigm for what prophesy is supposed to be like. How long have you been like this?
Graham: I think for me it’s just been a great journey, it’s been very painful at times but it’s just I think everyone is on this wonderful journey deep into the heart of God. That’s where we’re all going that’s our destination.
Sid: There is nothing I want more and I believe our listeners there is nothing they want more than deeper intimacy with God. That’s why I’m so glad that I have got a wonderful new mentoring tool it’s your latest book “Approaching the Heart of Prophecy.” But even though that’s what it does it really could just as easily be, the title could be “Approaching the Heart of God.” But tell me what you’re trying to accomplish in this book.
Graham: Well, I think this is my premise for life in the Spirit really, what if the gospel is such incredible news that it’s almost too good to be true? What if the gospel is such an amazingly brilliantly wonderful news that it almost borders on fantasy? What if like the only way that you could really connect with a God who does things for us or even beyond our capacity to think and what is that? For me that would be dreaming, it would be imagination. What if God is like so astonishing that He can give you a quality of life that’s actually beyond your ability to imagine or understand? So with that as a premise for life all of my kind of teaching and writing over the years has been predicated on that thought and that the only way you could talk about God is in superlatives. He’s astonishing, He’s amazing, He’s wonderful, He’s brilliant, He’s majestic. So whatever I’m writing whether it’s approaching this book “Approaching the Heart of Prophecy” I’m really looking to put people in touch with the hearts of a true Father who intends to be magnificent toward us. And so when we actually speak out of His heart in prophecy that is what we are doing, we’re putting people in touch with this wonderful Father figure who knows everything about us and totally loves us, and is deeply committed to us and to our journey.