Our Guest John McTernan

Sid: I have on the telephone and I’m speaking to him at his office in Millerstown, Pennsylvania John McTernan. John formally for 26 years was a Federal Agent he was with the Internal Security Division of the IRS. He’s also cofounder of International Cops for Christ. But the reason I’m interviewing him is he had an encounter with the Living God in which God showed him that God is a holy God and there are judgments that have been coming on America but such a precise point that when a sin like abortion or a homosexual rally or things of that nature occurred the exact day that they occur there have been hurricanes or the stock market has crashed. And you know if it had been a week later I’d say “Well coincidence but he had events well documented in his book “God’s Final Warning to America.” Now John on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about chapter 2 of your book which is called “The Israel Connection” why does God cause specific judgments to happen to America when America goes against Israel, why is that?

John: Well Sid I think for 2 reasons number 1 the prophet Joel chapter 3 when you look at verse 1 & 2 specifically in verse 2 specifically that He’s going to judge the nations who have parted or have divided the land. And that’s exactly what Clinton is doing right now through President Clinton we’re putting enormous pressure on Israel to literally give 1/3 of Jerusalem away and the West Bank which is Judea and Samaria which the Jewish people have by covenant. It’s a covenant by Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and if fact circumcision when you look at Genesis chapter 17 verses 7 – 10 up to verse 11 you’ll see that God gave circumcision as the sign of that covenant which is over the land which the Jewish people keep that covenant until today. And then God is…I also believe that the United States is interfering with God’s prophetic plan. God has a prophetic plan for our redemption and the final redemption of the nations through Israel and through Jerusalem and through the nation of Israel. And we are weakening Israel and we are actually as an impediment towards God fulfilling that plan. And I believe with all of my heart Sid that if it’s necessary God will remove us as a great world power so that He can continue with His prophetic plan for Israel.

Sid: Okay in your book and in yesterday’s broadcast you talked about something called the Madrid Peace Process when President Bush, the Father of our current president was in office, it began October 31, 1991 tell me what occurred and what judgment happened literally the same day.

John: Well Sid President Bush went over to Madrid Spain and this was the so called Peace Process but I see it as just a code word as forcing Israel to give away the covenant land along with well 1/3 of Jerusalem. Well on that very day which you mentioned October 31, 1991 while President Bush was over in Madrid, Spain this freakish storm developed in the north Atlantic. Now…

Sid: Why do you call it freakish storm?

John: Well it turns out to be almost a hurricane…to be a hurricane a storm has to have sustained winds of 74 miles an hour or greater. And this storm the winds were 73 miles an hour or greater so it wasn’t technically classified as a hurricane but it developed in the end of October in the north Atlantic which is unheard of and if you could picture this in your mind the prevailing winds in our country are from west to east. Storms generally come from will say California to the east coast. But sometimes they’ll start in the west they’ll start like in the gulf area and come up and they’ll go eastward. Do you have that pictured in your mind Sid?

Sid: I do.

John: This storm started in the north Atlantic and came a thousand miles the wrong way, it came westward rather than eastward. So here you have in late October a virtual hurricane forming not in tropic waters (Chuckling) but in the cold north Atlantic and if that’s not enough the storm comes against the prevailing winds. Now this happened at the precise moment that, we will say I want to make sure that we get the right President, but I was going to say Senior but the former President George Bush while he’s over there initially he is personally initiating the Madrid Peace Process initiated by him. While he’s speaking there’s a bazaar storm is forming and in fact Sid the storm was so odd and strange, did you hear last summer or read the book by any chance called “The Perfect Storm.”

Sid: No but obviously I’m familiar with it.

John: Okay that’s this storm.

Sid: Hm.

John: That’s this storm Sid that they actually made a Hollywood movie about.

Sid: Okay on the date that President Bush the father of our current president was President and he began what was called the Madrid Peace Process which was giving up land for peace so to speak in Israel. On October 31, 1991 was the same day of what was known as The Perfect Storm hit the east Coast of America?

John: Yes Sid.

Sid: And in your book you say that it not only hit the east coast but it hit a specific city and a specific house tell me about that? (Chuckling)

John: Sid (Chuckling) God has a sense of humor he does it hit Kennebunkport, Maine which is the residences of both former President George Bush but not only that the eyewitnesses watch his house being devastated by huge waves 30’ high…

Sid: He’s in Madrid Spain and his house is being hit by this hurricane force wind.

John: Well actually to be completely totally accurate Sid it was the next day the storm was forming and heading his way while he was speaking and the very next day it hit his home. The waves were 30’ high the ocean in front of his house rose up in anger this was the eye witness account and waves 30’ high and he had to come back to his home to access the damage and to start rebuilding.

Sid: Now if that was the only case that was being cited by John we could really call it coincidence but Mishpochah he’s got a book filled with homosexual events in America, a judgment and pro-abortion rally a judgment, a anti-Israel move by the United States a judgment. Tell me some more things that have happened as a result of our country being anti-Jewish people having the land of Israel.

John: Sid in 1993 I’m going to make it ’94 now January of 1994 former President Clinton met with the late Assad of Syria, I just can’t think of his first name right now Assad. He passed away last year well anyway they met in Geneva, Switzerland and it was over Israel and that’s why they met. And this was on a Sunday night I was sitting on the floor in front of my TV and I had my dog next to me I’m going to make it real personal here. I was watching the news the late news and it said “President Clinton today in Geneva, Switzerland met with Premier Assad of Syria.” And I listened to Clinton’s speech and he was standing behind a pulpit and he directly without any guess of words said “That Israel is going to have to be willing to give back the Golan Heights to Syria for peace and that the Israelis might not like it.” And I’m paraphrasing it but this is the essence of what he said but they’re going to have to do it and Assad was next to him. Well Sid the hair literally went up on the back of my neck when I listened to this. I said “Lord he’s bringing judgment on us. He is going to force Israel he’s going to use the power of the United States to force Israel to give the Golan Heights to Syria which will put Israel in a tremendous weakened military position.” I went to bed I woke up the next morning I turned on the news and what had happened but the massive Los Angeles Earthquake. It occurred not more than 12 hours after President Clinton was bullying Israel well from behind the podium saying that you will have to Israel might not like it that’s what he said but for peace their going to have to give the Golan Heights away. And within 12 hours of us threatening Israel over the land we had a tremendous earthquake that did phenomenal damage. And Sid I have it in the book I have it documented the earthquake that hit it’s called the Northridge Earthquake the scientist never found the fault that caused it it just happened. It was actually 2 earthquakes in 1 it rose up and shook back and forth and it has the scientists baffled because they can’t explain really the scientific cause of this earthquake. Plus Northridge is a pornography capital of the United States which I didn’t know at the time but 90% of the video pornography in the United States is made in Northridge, California. And that was the very epic center of this earthquake.

Sid: You know we don’t have enough time to go into it on today’s broadcast but in your book you’ve got a document what occurred the exact day that President Clinton was humiliated internationally by an illicit sex scandal and what he did. I mean there is such a correlation that I have to be candid with you I’m reading the book and I’m saying to myself the next time I hear about a big pro-abortion rally I may short the market I mean the stock market may go down because this has happened so much.

Our Guest John McTernan

Sid: I have on the telephone John McTernan. John spent 26 years in the Eternal Security Division of the IRS; he’s cofounder of International Cops for Christ. And on October 11th in 1987 he was looking on television and saw homosexual gathering and the week following witnessed the greatest one week stock market decline in the markets history up to that point. And then God supernaturally began to speak to him and told him that he had no fear of God. Although if you would have asked him a day earlier “Do you fear God?” He’d say “Of course I fear God” but something supernatural happened to him and he realized that he didn’t have a fear of God and he realized that there would be direct repercussions to the day of sins that occur in the United States of America. And he began documenting these. He found out that every hurricane that has hit the United States since 1989 has been directly tied to either abortion or homosexuality. And then on yesterday’s broadcast John we were talking about Gay Pride Day and it was on June 28, 1992 tell me about what occurred.

John: Yes Sid this is the very centerpiece in the book and if this incidence had happened alone these earthquakes that fell on Gay Pride Day and I had nothing else but that I would gone around telling people “God’s final warning to America,” that’s how awesome the event is which I’m about to tell you is. On June 28, 1992 the very morning Gay Pride Day 2 massive earthquakes occurred in southern California. One is called “The Landers Quake” that was 7.6 on the rectors scale that was Bear Mountain Quake that was 6.5. But we’re going to zero on “The Landers Quake.” That was the fourth greatest earthquake of last century I almost said this century but last century to hit the United States. And remember now that there is just a handful of earthquakes to hit the United States 7.0 or greater on the rector scale I mean that’s a massive earthquake and there’s only a handful of days that are Day Pride Day and the chances of them falling together are infinitesimal but it happened and it shook southern California. In fact when you look at a newspaper article or excuse me the Los Angeles Times for that day the headline the front page all that’s on the front page is the Gay Pride March and all the rest about the earthquakes and the damage done by the earthquakes. And it’s interesting when you look at the article about the homosexual parade it said that they had to brave the earthquakes to march. And in God’s word it says He destroys nations Leviticus chapter 18 says “He destroys nations that promote homosexuality.” Well what happened Sid was that shortly afterwards God just got this to me. I mean I don’t sit down and read scientific journals but I was in the waiting room of a doctor’s office and here was s scientific journal called “Earth.” And on it had a Lander’s Quake and I began to read this article and literally I was astonished my joy dropped because of all of the earthquakes that ever occurred Sid that has been studied by seismologists. This particular one this particular one Lander’s Quake was different than every other earthquake and remember this was on the very morning of Gay Pride Day. So I start to read this article and this is why this is the centerpiece of the book. This article went on to say that “No other earthquake this earthquake was unique in the history of studying earthquakes.” Number 1 it jumped from fault to fault gaining power. Normally it runs one fault and then stops. But that this one was jumping from fault to fault to fault getting stronger and stronger and stronger and then it just stopped I don’t know why but it just stopped. And on top of it and what made this so unique in the history of studying earthquakes it set off earthquakes 800 miles away. This was mind boggling to the scientists this was the first time that they ever were able to document that an earthquake in one location set earthquakes off 800 miles away. That earthquake set off about 15 to 20 earthquakes throughout the western section of the United States instantly following the Landers Quake. It shook 2 volcanic mountains in northern California Mt. Shasta and Mt. Lassen. Literally the entire western section of the United States of the morning of Gay Pride Day was ringing like a bell. We nearly Sid this is how important this is…if God didn’t stop this earthquake from gaining it’s strength it was right next to the San Andreas Fault this earthquake was almost bordering the San Andreas Fault the one that they had in California. And it set 4.0 and 5.0 earthquakes all over the western section of the United States. Well Sid imagine what would have happened if this earthquake didn’t stop at 7.6 and it continued on toward the San Andreas Fault. And these earthquakes around the western section of the United States instead of being 5.0’s they were 7 and 8.0 and Denver came down and Phoenix came down, Salt Lake City came down. And all of those railroads and all of the roads were broken and the conduits and Los Angeles and southern California was leveled. We would have been finished as a nation we would have had millions of people dead refugees how would we every provide for them. I mean we’re on the verge of on Gay Pride Day June 28, 1992 with that earthquake and triggering all of those earthquakes in the western section of the United States, we are on the verge of God as far as I’m concerned calling it in bringing a huge judgment and calling it in to us as a nation.

Sid: John the title of your book “God’s Final Warning to America” what do you mean by that? I mean I understand English is this final warning the things that you’ve accumulated that every sin America does you can correlate a tragedy or a stock market going down or I mean you’ve done this on so many events how much longer do we have of these warning judgments?

John: Sid I believe that with all of my heart that we’re out of time God in His grace has given us warning after warning after warning and the church has failed to respond Sid. I believe these warnings are for the church to put it together and we’re not Sid. For some reason we’re not responding, I can go to my personal reason for believing it for telling you why I don’t think the church is responding. But I we’re out of time God has warned us that the judgments are getting more and more severe, they’re coming more and more frequently. We’re really receiving tremendous warnings now over Israel and pushing Israel…

Sid: Alright you have raised an important question this is in chapter 2 of your book “The Israel Connection” explain that.

John: Sid I saw the connection between abortion and homosexuality in 1987.

Sid: As far as judgment.

John: Right.

Sid: When anything to do with homosexuality and abortion occurs the same day Mishpochah a judgment hits America, but what about Israel?

John: Well Sid I first notice Israel you remember Hurricane Andrew?

Sid: Of course.

John: Hurricane Andrew was up until this time the greatest natural disaster ever to hit the United States. It was literally like a 30 mile wide tornado it leveled whole areas of southern Florida 100’s of 1000’s of homes were destroyed and of course it went into Louisiana and damaged there also. Now if you look, and I have this I saved this newspaper USA for that day August of that was August of ’92. Yes that was August of ’92 on the front page it’s all Hurricane Andrew and on the bottom right hand side it talks about the Madrid peace process meets for the first time in Washington. That’s all that’s on the first page of that newspaper is all destruction by Hurricane…

Sid: Okay what was was the sin of the Madrid Peace Conference?

John: The Madrid Peace Conference was really just code word for Israel to give up Jerusalem or at least part of Jerusalem and at least part of the covenant land. It was “Peace for Israel to give away land to Syria” and to form a Palestinian nation. The day that the Madrid Peace process was transferred from Spain and they met for the first time in the United States that’s when Hurricane Andrew hit. You can look on if anybody has access to a library and they have USA Today you can go back to August of 1992 you will see on the front page everything about Hurricane Andrew and an article about the Madrid Peace Process. And my eye Sid I can remember to this day I was looking at it I was scanning it I was looking for Hurricane Andrew and I caught the Madrid Peace Process. I looked up and I looked down and I looked up and I said “We’ve fallen into judgment.”

Sid: Is there any chance…is there a correlation because at that time President Bush Sr. was President and he had one of the highest approval ratings of any President in history. And then most people were shocked that he lost to President Clinton is there any correlation between the two?

John: Yes Sid if there’s one thing I wish I could go back and I should have done in listening to the Lord this is it. I was following former President Bush was… I use the word bullying Israel and the United Nations over resolutions. And it was about 6 or 8 resolutions…resolutions that were promoted by the Bush administration condemning Israel and in the over what is going on with the land there in 1991, 92 and I would see the resolution and I would hear President Bush condemn Israel. And then a week later there would be a poll out and his popularity was coming down and coming down. Now to me I was watching this and I was say “Oh no he’s forcing Israel and God’s going to remove him, God’s going to remove him.” And I remember telling people that and I remember going…

Sid: Woops we’re out of time.

Our Guest Perry Stone


SID: Perry, tell me about the earliest stages of creating the heavens and the earth.

PERRY: Okay. In the beginning of time, and I’m going to, let me just read this verse because this is our foundational verse. God says to this person, “You have been in Eden, the Garden of God. Every precious stone was your covering. The sardius topaz, diamond barrel onyx, jasper sapphire, emerald, carbuncle and gold, the workmanship of your tabrets and pipes was prepared in the day that thou was created. Thou are the anointed cherub that covereth.” And he says this, “I have set thee so upon the Holy Mountain of God and you’ve walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. You were perfect in your ways until inequity was found in you and then the heart was lifted up because of thy beauty.” Now there’s a couple things here. Number one, it mentions the Mountain of God. This is not Jerusalem. This is the heavenly mountain where God dwells. Number two, it mentions Eden. Now people assume this is the Garden of Eden. This is not the Garden of Eden. There is a heavenly paradise or a heavenly Eden just like there was an earthly Eden. All right. Number three, now this is the part that puzzled me for years. This is where it starts making sense. “You are the anointed cherub.” This is a cherub that’s anointed. No other angel is called anointed by this angel right here. The thing that really got me was, “You have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.” So let me tell you how this happened. So I’m with a guy in Texas, a pastor in Texas who works with gemstones, and he says to me, he says this, “You know every gemstone is formed in fire.” Whoa, whoa, whoa.

SID: Mountain of fire, stones of fire.

PERRY: Thank you. Then I go to this Jewish translation of the Bible, and I apologize for not giving you which one it is, because there’s many translations, and it says, “You walked up and down in the gemstones of fire.” I go, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now then I’m thinking, okay, this is Satan. This is a picture. Most scholars will agree this is Satan. Pipes, he was a worship leader because pipes were created in the same, but it’s got nine stones. Now here’s what’s odd. These same stones are the same nine that are also part of the 12 stones on the breastplate of the priest in Exodus. These nine stones are also, Sid, and this is where the triggering came, this is where it starts clicking, nine of the 12 stones in the city New Jerusalem.

SID: So when you have 12 stones on the breastplate.

PERRY: That’s right.

SID: When we have, in New Jerusalem there’s 12 stones. So come Satan only had nine?

PERRY: That’s what got me asking this. All right. Then I realized this. Every precious stone is your covering. Now I used to think he had a breastplate with nine stones. That’s how I took this, because I’m thinking, okay, this is similar. Wait a minute, but it doesn’t say anything. It just says it was your covering. And I’m thinking that word in Hebrew, “cover”, what’s it mean? Okay, watch this. It means there were gemstones on fingers, gemstones on his arm, gemstones on his, but wait a minute, he’s only got nine. Why nine? You ready? Because Satan was the one, this angel was walking up and down in the midst of the stones of fire preparing the stones for the holy city New Jerusalem. Watch this. Every time a floor, first floor, second floor is completed, God allows him to be covered by that gemstone. But do you know what stones are missing from him?

SID: No.

PERRY: You ready? The last three stories of the New Jerusalem. I hear them go “oh” in the audience. They’re getting it. He fell from Heaven and was cast out between the ninth and tenth story being completed. He completed the ninth, but he never, now why? Because he was lifted up because of his beauty.

SID: This show is a little different because we previously got our people from Facebook to write in questions that they had. They came up with some great questions. Why don’t you give us a question.

Audience member: The first question is what will we remember in Heaven?

PERRY: Now the Bible says this, it says, “The former things will not be remembered and will come into remembrance,” which presents problems. Does that mean that all of our loved ones that are in Heaven we don’t remember? The answer is we know our loved ones in Heaven because Paul said, “We’ll be known even as we were known.” I’ll know that’s mom, I’ll know that’s dad, my brother and sister. Now the reason the former things will not be remembered is because if people we knew did not make it, how would Heaven be delightful? If you have children that didn’t make it. So I don’t know how God does this, but if God, this is what he told me, he said, “Son, if I’m able to look at a person and they ask me for forgiveness of sins and I can erase their sins and never bring them up or remember them, I can do the same thing with people’s past.” So in other words, there will come a point, because it says, “No more tears will come in your eyes.” At some point everything about anything negative, anything that happened in your life bad and the people who didn’t make it will not be remembered.

SID: You had another question.

Audience member: It’s actually a long question, a very good question. You talked about the link between Satan being cast out of Heaven during the construction of the Heavenly Jerusalem. Why would this cause such hatred for Israel and Jerusalem today?

PERRY: I’m going to compare it to a [unintelligible], like a story.

SID: It has to be a short answer.

PERRY: Okay. If I worked for a major corporation and I was the CEO over the whole thing and they booted me out because of something I did wrong, if I didn’t take the right attitude I could cause a rebellion in the company and I would hate that company the rest of my life. His hatred for Jerusalem is a continual reminder of his failure.

SID: When we come back I want to find out what happens in this New Jerusalem, what our job is going to be. What happens when we’re in Heaven? What is our job? Are we going to work? Are we going to go to school? What are we going to do? Don’t go away. Be right back.

Our Guest Shawn Bolz


SID: Now I think you would like to see Heaven. Would you? Would you like to see Heaven? Would I like to see Heaven? Tell me about what goes on when you pray for people to see Heaven.

SHAWN: You know, I feel like we have an everlasting life and we’re supposed to be as in touch with that everlasting part as we’re in touch with this side of eternity. And when you read about the reports of Heaven throughout history, people got in touch with the beauty. It’s not a thousand-year boring prayer meeting in Heaven right now. What goes on around Jesus is the most beautiful expression of fun, adventure and connection you’ve ever had. And so I started to explore that and eventually I thought I was just doing it theologically, but eventually I started to sense that. Some of us sense it and worship like you’re in a heightened state of spiritual awareness and you’re actually a part of the heavenly scenario. But there’s times that I’ve pray for people and they literally had a deposit. They’ve seen into Heaven and they brought something back, a revelation, a truth, something about a resource that they were going to get a prophetic word for their life that they got from God. And when you get it from God yourself it’s hard not to believe it, especially when you have an encounter with God. We’ve even had people come back and they actually brought body parts back. They’ve seen what’s available in the Father’s heart. They brought body parts back. It’s been a while since that’s happened, but we had a woman get a liver back. Her husband prayed for her, she needed a liver, she needed a liver transplant. He prayed for her and a brand new—

SID: You realize there are people watching us right now and they’re saying, eww! What do you say to that person?

SHAWN: I just say if we pray for you right now and you receive it and it happens to you, you won’t say impossible again.

SID: I am so glad you wrote your book and you have those, we put together your three-CD set. But I know that there is going to be repercussions. There are people that will never be able to get your book throughout all the former Soviet Union. I mean, I’m amazed at how God has spread It’s Supernatural. But I know if you pray for people they’re never going to be the same.

SHAWN: Absolutely.

SID: I want you to start out by praying for us to have the heart of love, not the heart of professionalism or the heart of religion, but the heart of the Father’s love and be sure to pray that we can see Heaven, too. I gave you a big assignment to hear God’s voice. Let’s see, I have another laundry list.

SHAWN: Let me pray. I just pray for you now that God would demystify the way you thought hearing his voice was that it would feel more organic like a family member who’s talking to you, who is loving you, that you would all of a sudden notice and become aware. I pray an impartation of spiritual awareness, of spiritual understanding for your own relationship with God and as you grow in that depth of authority, as you begin to see where he’s speaking. I pray that you would take great risk based on what he’s saying. I pray that you would become so in tune with who God is around you, where he is around you that Jesus would be so made manifest to you. I impart every supernatural spiritual gift I have that’s transferable right now over the television, to everyone in the studio audience. I pray for deep impartation and I pray that you would see where Jesus is. This is Heaven. He’s in Jesus right now. The Throne of God is there, all the angels around him. There’s no reason why we can’t be in touch with it because that is our everlasting. We’ll be with Jesus forever, so I pray that you would right now somehow, Ephesians 3:2 says, “We are seated in heavenly places.” I pray somehow you would feel part of you is tied to the everlasting eternal scenario right now that you would see yourself, you would see God there that you would have revelatory visions and revelatory experiences that you never dreamed possible. I pray that God would expand your imagination but then take you past your imagination that he would give you a love that would cause you to continue to hear his voice to the nations. It’s so easy to focus on what he’s not doing. I pray that you would see what he is doing right now. It’s so easy to see what you’re not. I pray that you would see through the eyes of love from the Father who you are to him and I pray you would have a revelatory encounter with that love right now in the name of Jesus.

SID: You told me last night over dinner, and this was, you think your mind is blown now, wait until you hear this. You went to a school, a place that formerly was a school of Spiritism. Explain. Tell me that.

SHAWN: One of the owners of the Hollywood Club called me up and said, “Can you come over and pray. We’ve had a [unintelligible]. We’ve had the white witch of Studio City, Hollywood, come and no one has been able to clear out the demons. This used to be the Paranormal School of Supernatural Activity for Hollywood. It was actually a school. For like over a decade it was a school in Hollywood where they teach people how to do Spiritism.

SID: And they could get rid of these key spirits. [unintelligible]

SHAWN: So all the nannies were like quitting the four owners. They were quitting, only one of the owners was saved as a brand new Christian. The other three owners weren’t saved. One was Catholic, but he was just coming to full belief for Jesus. The other two weren’t saved at all. One of them was the new age captain of the group who kept bringing everybody and paying a lot of money to get this place cleared and it wasn’t working. Over months they were losing all their employees. So I went ahead and everything was slowed down, the construction and everything. So I went in with a group. They were all Asian. So I went in with a group of Asian intercessors who I love. I love this group. And we went in there together and I said, “Okay guys,” I had the owner sit down with me and I said, “We’re going to do something.” And I heard the Holy Spirit say, “ If they will give me the ownership I’ll drive out every spirit.” And I had a little strategy. I could never have done this on my own strength. I was like, I don’t know that this can’t be redeemed. [unintelligible] I don’t know. I don’t know what we’re going to do about the situation, but I heard God and I said to everybody, “Okay, I want you to close your eyes and repeat after me.” I said, “Okay.” I said, “This is going to be really hard.” Because they had been through all this ritual assignments with all the witchcraft and stuff. And I said, “Say this after me: Holy Ghost!” And they said, “Holy Ghost!” And I said, “Be the only ghost here! Amen.” And one of them looked up at me and he goes, “No. No.” And I said, “Okay, is God a spirit?” And they said yes. And I said, “If you ask God to be here can anything else be as powerful as God?” And they all said no. I said, “Okay, let’s see what happens. I’m going to leave. Let’s see what happens.” So I went back five weeks later and I asked them, “You guys, how is your lives? What’s going on?” And one of the guys said, “Nothing is wrong. There’s no spirits.” He said, “As a matter of fact, I’ve given my life to Jesus.” The other two guys were so close. “This is so crazy what happened here like we’ve had no visitation. All of our nannies are fine. [unintelligible] No one is having bad dreams.” It was night and day difference, and now I’ve gone back years later and it’s been fine. It’s like it never happened.

SID: You know, my peanut brain says everyone has to be a believer in Jesus for this to happen. That’s my peanut brain. But I’m going to tell you something, eye has not seen, ear has not heard. All that God has in store for you, that’s right, I’m talking about God, all that, I want you to hold your head up. I want you to forget what’s happened in the past. I want you to tell Jesus be my Lord. I want to you to repent of your sins, tell him you’re sorry. Ask him to live inside of you and watch what God is going to do.

SHAWN: I had one more user name. I never get user names, but I ask God for the information I never get. Terry Bishop 911. Terry Bishop, you’re working on the show and I’m getting you.

Terry: That is my user name, Terry Bishop 911.

SHAWN: The Lord says you live in a pleasant place. What does that mean to you?

Terry: I live on Pleasant Hill.

SHAWN: Come on.

Our Guests John and Lisa Bevere


SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guests, best-selling authors John and Lisa Bevere, unmasked. What do I mean by that? They were sabotaged when they got married. There is no way in the world their marriage should have survived and they have decided if they will tell people what happened to them it will give hope. But what happened to them wasn’t natural. What happened to them that gave them a marriage from Heaven was supernatural. Hello. Look, I cannot believe what I read in the newspaper. The institution of marriage is under assault. John Bevere, what’s going on and what’s behind what’s going on? What is the reason that the institution of marriage is under such assault?

JOHN: Marriage was authored, created, designed up by God himself. Satan hates anything that’s of God. The spirit of this world wants to destroy marriage and is on an active path to do it. And this is why Lisa and I decided to start speaking on marriage because we know now not only are marriages under attack, and they are under attack, but the very institution as you just said is being assaulted. And so we need to voice out what God says about marriage because it is so valuable.

SID: You know, John looks like he’s kind of meek. But would you believe on his first date with Lisa he gets her saved, he gets her speaking in tongues filled with the Spirit, and he gets her healed of a life-threatening disease, on the first date. I guess I’d better find out what happened on the second. No, I’m just teasing. Well I’ll tell you what happened. He marries Lisa. Now you’ve heard the saying, opposites attract, but this is ridiculous. Lisa, what was your background?

LISA: Okay. So I’m half Sicilian, Apache Indian, French and English. My grandmother had been married four times.

JOHN: And I’m fortunate to be alive.

LISA: Yes. My grandmother had been married four times. My parents were married, divorced, remarried, divorced. My dad was an alcoholic. I came from dysfunction way before it was popular. We were doing it way before the Kardashians. And basically, you know, John and I, we just came together. I had no good thing. I brought adultery, I brought alcoholism, I brought dysfunction and he brought all the good, and I brought all of the bad. I remember when he introduced me to his mom, his mom was like, “Wait a minute, we have never had divorce in our family before.” And I was like, that’s not my name. But it was really a scary thing when I came in. But you know, we decided, Sid, God wasn’t interested.

SID: You got me laughing so much, I don’t know what to say.

LISA: Well we decided it wasn’t about John’s good and my bad. It was about holy. And the truth is God wants to do a new thing with couples. And I brought nothing to the table, and we wanted to do our marriage different, but we didn’t know how to do it different. And I personally had a vision about three months into my marriage, and it was the vision of a perfect man, and this man looked like my husband, but he did not act like my husband. And so I decided my job was to change my husband from the man he was to the man he could be if he would work with me, but John had a vision of his own.

SID: But Lisa, not one woman listening to you understands.


SID: No woman wants to change her husband.

LISA: None of us do.

SID: Okay, that’s what she brought in.

LISA: Yeah.

SID: Now what did you bring in?

JOHN: Well I brought in, I mean, my family, my mom and dad are amazing. They married 66 years. My dad just went home to be with the Lord this year. But what I brought in was a lot of insecurity. I was the only boy of six children. So I was the chosen one, my son, my son, according to my mother. So a lot of—

SID: I thought that was just Jewish men.

LISA: No, it’s Italians, too.

JOHN: So a lot of selfishness and a lot of temper, a lot of arguing, a lot of this is my way or the highway. And we clashed like the Titans. I mean, it was like WWF wrestling the first couple of years of our marriage. It was horrific. And we really realized all of a sudden, hey wait a minute, this happily ever after just doesn’t happen. And so, you know, we started, Lisa and I started realizing in order to have a good marriage you have to work to have a good marriage.

SID: But I have to ask you this question, Lisa. Why the dirty laundry? Why are you doing this?

LISA: Well you know, I think too many people feel isolated. They feel hopeless. So John and I said, you know what, we’re going to open up our lives. Because we sit in conferences and we would hear the pastors say, “my wife and I have never had a fight” and I’d be like, for the love of Jesus, we’ve never not fought. I mean, we decided, what in the world? So we just did not know how to do it correctly. And so we were like, all right, people are going to have different differences and we need to be constructive with this. Plus John and I have a unique dynamic that other people didn’t have. We both are strong personalities. We both have voices. It isn’t I’m just supportive of him and he’s not there or he’s just supportive of me. But couples coming up, they want to do it together, Sid. I think that we are created to do it together. And it would have been easier if we did it separately. So we said, let’s just put it all out there. Let’s talk about our struggles in the past with abuse, let’s talk about our struggles with control, let’s talk about our struggles with fear, let’s talk about what we’ve regretted and what we’ve learned. We’ve been married for 33 years. That’s a long time. And so we’ve learned a lot of lessons that we don’t think other people need to learn the hard way.

SID: John, you were addicted to pornography before you got married.

JOHN: Yep.

SID: And before it was almost commonplace. Right now, the statistics are overwhelming. Tell me a few of them.

JOHN: Well it started at age 11. And then when I married Lisa, I thought, gosh, when I get married to this beautiful woman it will all go away. Well it certainly didn’t. And so it was a big battle.

SID: I’ll tell you what, hold that thought. I want to find out how you got supernaturally, I mean, he thought if he just would get married to a beautiful woman, he wouldn’t be interested in pornography. He didn’t know that that’s one of the strongest addictions on the planet. When we come back I want to find out how they supernaturally went from physical abuse with each other, verbal abuse, her taking off her engagement ring. I mean, and to have the marriage they have today, and I say there is tikvah, that’s a Hebrew word, there is hope. We’ll be right back.

Our Guest Pastor Don Nordin


SID: Talk about audacity, nerve, boldness, chutzpah, this doctor, he’s got it all. He has got audacity. He’s in the middle of a surgery. Tell me about Dee Sapp.

DON: Dee Sapp had been diagnosed with colon cancer and had to have emergency surgery. And Dr. Remedios was doing the surgery, and he took out three feet of her colon. And the Lord spoke to him and said to stretch the rest of the colon and to attach it. This had never been done before. And he could have lost his license. She could have lost her life. But he knew the Lord spoke to him and he did that. And the miracle is a creative miracle because after a period of time when she was examined, not only did everything work properly, but that colon had grown back to the normal six feet of colon.

SID: You know what is so amazing to me? I called my own doctor and I said, “Doctor, if someone had three feet of colon cut out, one year later, how much of it would have grown back?” He said, “None, impossible.” That’s what he said to me, impossible. But God says to you, “All things are possible to those who believe.” And you’re part of the all. Let me read Dr. Remedios’ quote to you right now. “There is no question about it. I could feel the tangible presence of God in the operating room. It doesn’t matter where you are, what your circumstance, there’s nothing too difficult for God. The tests showed the three feet of colon that I cut out was back. This is a miracle of God.” I love it when medical doctors use such terms of miracle, beyond human expectation, miraculous. That is so great. Another member of your congregation, just everything is going fine. Then what happened to him?

DON: He had a motorcycle accident. In fact, when he got the hospital, the doctors termed his condition as hopeless. I was on my way to the hospital and the Lord spoke to me and said, “When you get there, you tell Clint and his family that he will recover all.”

SID: Wait a second now, you’re putting your reputation on the line that you know that. I mean, the doctor said, hopeless. When a doctor says that, how do you have the chutzpah, the audacity to say what you did?

DON: Well on my way to the hospital, I didn’t know what his condition was.

SID: That helped.

DON: And the Lord spoke this to me and I was excited about getting there and sharing a word from the Lord with them. And when I walked into the room and saw his condition, I’m like, oh.

SID: Among other things, he was in a coma.

DON: He was in a coma, yes. And but we prayed and I told them, I said, “The Lord told me to tell you that Clint will doubtless recover all.” And today, Clint is back on his job. He is completely normal. He has recovered all. In fact, I would say that I like this Clint better than the other Clint, because he has I feel like a more outgoing personality, and God has just done an amazing, amazing thing in his life.

SID: And again, you see these papers here? These are all the medical reports from doctors on this Clinton Mayfield. God is not a respecter of persons, which means if he’ll do it for one, he’ll do it for all. I love the statement God gave you. I want you to hear this. I want this to soak in, inside of you. God told Pastor Don, “If you can convince them, I will do the work.”

Quick nugget on faith.

DON: Well I just think that people believe that if they’re desperate God will hear them. God doesn’t respond to desperation. He responds to audacious prayer and faith.

SID: I want you to have the most audacious faith you have ever, ever had. Read the Word, believe it’s God’s love letter to and go for the gold.

SID: The audacity of prayer, I love the word “audacity,” it’s boldness, it’s nerve. Once you realize that God is not a respecter of persons, and I’m going to tell you, these four CDs and the book is going to just cause you to believe. And that’s what God told Don Nordin, “If you can get the people to believe, I will do what I say.” Are you ready for God to do what he says in your life? I am.

Sid Roth


Sid:  Many years ago I met a woman her name is Penny. She speaks for the rights of the unborn children in the womb that are being murdered through abortion. And she was speaking at a rally and an elderly man walked up to her and said “Can I tell you a story and she said “Sure.” And he said “When I was a young boy Hitler was in power and I would go to church every Sunday and our church was located right next to train tracks. Every Sunday sure enough the train would go by and then we began to hear some very strange things happening from the train; they were screaming and saying ‘Help! Help! Help!’ and you know what the pastor told us? ‘Sing a little louder,’ they stuffed their ears they did not want to hear that the Jews were going to be destroyed. And so I’ve lived with that memory all of these years; those were the trains taking the Jews to the gas chambers to be killed; I think about it every night and then I think about the movie Schindler’s List did you see that? Did you remember the line that Oscar Schindler said “I could have gotten one more person and I didn’t, and I didn’t.”

I have to tell you that’s the way I feel right now and that’s the way that I want you to feel and that’s the way the heart of God feels right now.  I have a vision and my vision is a Jewish express and we are at the time of the second banquet right now where the Jews are ready to be saved just like Esther went to the second banquet with the King and requested that the Jews be saved. The tracks are being laid all over the world this moment but it’s a race for this Jewish express this Jewish express is going to be filled with Jewish people that have just accepted Jesus.  This train is going all over the world because the Jews have been spread to 4 corners of the earth and every Jewish person that gets on will be one that is saved. And your investment is going to buy tickets for Jewish people to board the Jewish express.

I’m going to tell you something else you are about ready to bump into what I’ve been walking in for the last several years it’s called ridiculous Esther favor.  Why are you going to walk in this ridiculous favor? Read it in Esther 10 verse 3 in the New American Standard version it says:

“For Mordecai the Jew was second only to King Ahasuerus and great among the Jews (Great among the Jews) and in favor with his many kinsman. (And then it tells us why)  He sought the good of his people.”

So I say to you what is the maximum good that you can do for a Jewish person? Is it humanitarian work?  Yes, that will help in this life and good will bless you for it. Is it praying for the Jewish people? Yes that will help you in this life and God will bless it for you. Or is it what God says Proverbs 11:30:

“He who wins souls is wise.”

The window of the set time to favor Zion or the second banquet it now.  Proverbs 10:5 says:

“He who gathers in summer is a son who acts wisely but he who sleeps in harvest is a son who acts shamefully.”

You know the major reason the devil is trying to kill all of the Jewish people right now? Because he knows about Isaiah 27:6, the King James, the Jewish Evangelists are about ready to fill the earth with fruit, this is God:

“God shall cause them that cause of Jacob to take root and Israel shall blossom and bud and fill the face of the world with fruit.”

If that doesn’t get you excited I don’t know what does.  As the Jewish people fill the world with fruit remember the call of the Jew is to reach the Gentile and we did a pretty good job 2000 years ago but we didn’t do the complete job. The job of the Gentile is to provoke the Jew to jealousy to reach the Jew. And I have to tell you when you give money to our ministry it’s an investment, it’s an investment in souls.  And we give you tools, tools so that you can be all that God’s called you to be. Tools so that you can operate in the supernatural.  Why, the Bible says “The Jew requires a sign,” the Bible says “Esther you’ve been called to the Kingdom for such a time as this.”  It says “This is the set time to favor Zion.” And I’m going to tell you something else Jewish people are so hungry for the supernatural the devil is like a Pied Piper in the New Age and the occult and they’re going into it in droves. But the spiritual scales are removed the judgment is finished we are at the fullness of the Gentile age Jesus is coming back soon…and any profits we make from you ordering the book “Sooner Than You Think” and the CD on the book of Esther….

I’m reminded, it’s kind of a funny story, but  I’m reminded of a… I did a New Age Festival in Israel and it really went bad I mean it really went bad. I had someone who was heckling me in the front row and I felt I did a bad job and so it had been raining and it was a standing in the mud and a couple of people were swimming in the nude in the water behind us (chuckling), you know it was a real New Age Festival and then there were a few other things I won’t talk about.  But I went home and felt miserable and someone said “You remember the New Age Festival you did Sid?” And I said “Yeah I remember.” And they said “Well one of the leading Messianic Jewish Evangelist got saved at that festival.” I had no idea, I have no idea, almost 5 million of the books “They Thought for Themselves” have been distributed to Jewish people throughout the world but we’re coming into the finest hour because now the spiritual scales are being removed.

So when you get the book “Sooner Than You Think” you’re going to be blessed and I’ll tell you why the best teachers of end-times it’s called subtitled, “The Prophetic Guide to the End Times” I’ve put into this book. And when you read this entire book you will not lose your faith when things don’t happen exactly the way it’s been told to you. Because the truth is nobody totally understands it but all the ingredients is in this book, so I can’t wait to get this into your hands.

Now I want to tell you about the end time Psalm to Esther the Church Psalm 91.  And I am going to include a bookmark with every book that you receive. And this bookmark is Psalm 91 personalized from the Living Bible. I’m going to tell you something I don’t care what happens if you say and believe this Psalm out loud every day this is what God promises.  “I live…” and personalize it that’s what I’ve done and you’ll be able to take this bookmark and read it out loud every day for yourself and your family.

“I live in the shelter of the most high; I find rest in Your shadow; this I declare about You. You alone are my refuge, my place of safety, You are my God and I trust You for You will rescue me from every trap and protect me from every deadly disease.  You will cover me with Your feathers; You will shelter me with Your wings; Your faithful promises are my armor and protection. I’m not afraid of the terrors of the night, nor the arrow that flies in the day; I do not dread the disease that stalks in darkness nor the disease that strikes at midday.  Though a thousand fall at my side though 10,000 are dying around me these evils will not even touch me. As I open my eyes I see how the wicked are punished.  No evil will conquer me, no plague (And we’re talking about these end-time diseases and everything) no plague will come near my home for you will order Your angels to protect me wherever I go. (Do you know there is a whole unit in a war in a combat zone and every member of the unit said this prayer out loud and not one was injured but all around them people were injured?) For you will order your angels to protect me wherever I go; they will hold me up with their hands so that I will not even hurt my foot on a stone. I will trample upon lions and cobras; I will crush fierce lions and serpents under my feet. You declare that You will rescue me because You love me.  Your protect me because I trust in Your name; when I call on You You will answer you will be with me in trouble; You will rescue me and honor me; You will award me with a long life. And I thank You for Your salvation.”

And now I’m going to pray a supernatural prayer over you. This is a prayer that I’ve prayed over many people and God has changed their heart it is called “The Esther Anointing.”  Are you ready to receive it?  I can tell you the presence of God is trembling throughout my body right now.

I pray in Yeshua’s name that every one that is opening their heart right now to receive will receive the Esther anointing. They will realize they’ve been called to the Kingdom for such a time as this.  I pray You will give them Your heart, Your compassion for their Jewish neighbors and Jewish doctors and Jewish merchants and Jewish schoolmates and Jewish business associates.

I pray Father God that Jewish people will walk up to them and say “I feel something wonderful radiating from you what is that? Why do you love Jewish people so much?”

I pray in Yeshua’s name that everyone that has ever something anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic would repent right now and tell God You’re sorry. Ask Jesus to forgive you, I pray Father God that everyone that receives this anointing will take part in filling up the Jewish Express. We will never listen again to the train going to the gas chamber screaming for mercy because Father God that Jewish Express is ready now this is the time of the second banquet, this is the fullness of the Gentile Age.  Jewish people are going to won to the Lord and these Jewish people will be like modern day Paul the Apostles which will go to the 4 corners and do a quick work, do a fast work quickly in Jesus name I pray – Amen.

And people are being healed right now, people…someone has a finger and it hurts you when you bend it maybe it’s arthritis maybe you fell and hurt it  but you are being healed in Jesus name.  Backs and necks are being healed; pain of all kind is leaving. Someone with a tennis elbow you’re being healed right now. The backs it’s so strong just test your back and your neck you’ll see that pain is totally gone. Hips are being repaired right now; knees are being repaired right now. Eyes are being healed, I even see an oriental person you can take it even if you’re not oriental but as I’m touching your eyes they’re being healed in Jesus name.

Sid Roth


Sid: I’m so excited Mishpocha because I’ve got finally after almost a year a copy of my latest book “The Last Lap” subtitled “The Emergence of the One New Man.” A lot of people wonder where I got the subtitle the One New Man. Well you don’t have to wonder anymore it’s in the atmosphere, it’s happening, people are talking about this having nothing to do with my book, nothing to do with my teaching. They’re talking about it all over the world. I believe it’s a foretaste of the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history.

Everyone is looking about the problems that are going on in the United States and in the world. Because we’re in a time in which nothing will ever be the same, but we’re in a time in God in which nothing will ever be the same. We’re going to see the greatest revival, the greatest outpouring of God’s Spirit in history.

Well Ephesians chapter 2 verse 14 – 16 explains the One New Man. It’s been a long time coming I’m sure when Paul wrote to the Ephesians he had no idea it would take so long. It says in the 2nd chapter the 14th verse “For He Himself is our peace who has made both one.” Who’s both? The Jew and the Gentile, “has made both Jew and Gentile one and has broken down the middle wall of separation.” So why did Yeshua, that’s Hebrew for Jesus, come? To break down a separation between Jews and Gentiles and this is how He did it in the 15th verse, “Having abolished in His flesh enmity that is the law of commandments contained in ordinances so as to create in Himself one new man,” that’s the One New Man. Create in who? Himself. Who’s Himself? Yeshua. “To create in Himself one new man from the two thus making peace.” Do you know what the Hebrew word for peace is? Shalom. “Thus making completeness.” That’s why Messiah came He came to establish Mishpocha, He came to establish family to make Jews and Gentiles One New Man. The Jew needs the Gentile, the Gentile needs the Jew otherwise no shalom. What is shalom? Completeness, there’ll only be completeness when the spiritual eyes come off of Jewish people and they’re grafted back into the church.

16th verse, “That He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross thereby putting to death the enmity,” and the word enmity means a positive hatred. See at the time Paul wrote this there was a hatred between Jews and Christians. The Messiah came to break this wall of separation down just as He came to… you know the curtain between the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place when Yeshua died the veil was rent in two. He wants to rent that in two so there can be intimacy with God. There’s a connection between Jewish people being grafted into the church, and intimacy with God. There’s a connection with the spiritual scales coming off of the eyes of the Jewish people and the connection the intimacy with God.

It says in Ephesians in the 2nd chapter the 14th verse “That Messiah came to break down this wall of separation.” Well there was a big wall of separation back then. There was no way a Gentile was going to fellowship with a Jew and Jew was going fellowship with a Gentile. It would take a great miracle and a great miracle occurred and the wall of separation was broken down, but today we have even a greater wall of separation. I mean a Jewish person looks at a Christian and says “I don’t see anything Jewish in your religion. As a matter of fact, I like mine better than yours.” A Gentile Christian looks at a Jew and says “I don’t see anything Christian about your religion. As a matter of fact, I like my religion better than yours.” There’s a bigger wall of separation today than there was 2000 years ago. That’s what Jesus came for.

Now to really understand the Jewish connection you have to turn to the book of Romans the 11th chapter. I’m going to read some selected passages from the 11th chapter. Paul says “I say then has God cast away His people? Certainly not.” Another translation says “Oh God forbid,” and then he says, 7th verse, “What then Israel has not obtained what it seeks but the elect have obtained it and the rest were blinded.”  11th verse “I say then, have they (the Jewish people) stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not but through their fall to provoke them to jealousy salvation has come to the Gentile.”

So first God says the Gentile has had a revelation of the Messiah, has had their sins washed away, has been grafted in to the Jewish olive tree for a purpose. What is the purpose? Many Christians are running up to prophets and saying “Tell me what my purpose is.” God is saying to you right now, why would you go to a flaky prophet when you won’t even follow what My word says? Romans 11:11 says “But through their fall to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy salvation has come to the Gentile.” So if you’re non-Jewish and you’re a believer in Jesus and you say “What is my call?” God is saying in Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy.” Now here’s the reason why, and maybe you never understood it. You know we don’t even have to understand it if God say to do it we’ve got to do it, but there’s a reason and God gives a reason in the 12th verse of Romans 11. “Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentile, how much more their fullness?” Was it a rich blessing that you came to know the Messiah coming from a non-Jewish background? Of course it was, but it says there’s something even greater coming to the church with their fullness.

The 15th verse, “For if they’re being cast away (and catch this now), for if the Jewish people being cast away is the reconciling of the world.” (Laughing) And it was now that Gentiles could be saved, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? What happens when a dead person comes to life, the resurrected? Do you realize what kind of power it takes for resurrection? The same spirit that rose Messiah Yeshua from the dead is living with us. There will be release, this is what God’s word is saying, there will be a release of resurrection power, life from the dead power. The power of God that we read about in the Bible, the power of God that we dream about, the power of God we believe, but the power of God we haven’t seen.

Well the word of God says when that wall of separation comes down, When Gentiles start fulfilling their God ordained destiny of provoking Jewish people to jealousy. If it was a rich blessing that the Jewish people rejected their Messiah, how much greater blessing when they receive their Messiah because it will cause a miracle to occur. See why the devil is trying so hard in the supernatural realm to separate, put up a wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles. But Messiah came yeah the set time, the set time to favor Zion has come. This is God’s set time. Just as the secular commentators are saying nothing will ever be the same again. In the spirit nothing will ever be the same again because I can tell you based on the prophetic word of God, based on what’s going on in current events we are in the set time to favor Zion. Before judgment comes there’s always a warning but can you see why the stakes are so high? Because there will be such a release of the supernatural power of God for evangelism, and I’ll be speaking on that tomorrow, such a release.

You can go to most churches, let’s face it we’ve become so religious. I mean we’re just like the game of telephone. Did you ever play it as a kid? One person whispers to another person who whispers to another the 3rd, and the 4th, and the 5th by the time it comes to the 6th person it’s so different than what the first statement of fact was it’s just over time.

That’s called (singing) tradition, we Jewish people have a lot of it then I became a believer in the Messiah and got into the church and I found that we have something called (singing) tradition. It’s a people problem and this (singing) tradition gets in the way, in the way of the power of the living God.

But we’re at a set time to favor Zion, we’re at a time that we’re going to see life from the dead resurrection power enter the church. There is a battle going on but the battle is not ours. God says “Stand still and watch the salvation of God.” I believe this is the set time for my latest book “The Last Lap,” subtitled “The Emergence of the One New Man.” This is the set time, I mean God says that we’re to pray that His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. I believe that this book is His will.

Are you feeling a little bored, that’s the word, bored with normal religious Christianity? Have you felt inside there’s got to be something more? Have you wondered why there’s so few miracles going on in churches in the United States? Have you had questions about how Christianity has deviated from Biblical patterns? Have you wondered about the Shabbat, that’s Hebrew for Sabbath? Is it Saturday, is it Sunday? How has it changed? Does it have anything to do with salvation? Does have anything to do with righteousness? Have you wondered why Jews distrust Christians? You’re probably not aware of something called the “Rabbinic Conspiracy.”

Many Christians are confused on who is Israel. You wonder what the glorious church, I mean the book of Ephesians talks about a church so filled with the glory of God. What this glorious church is going to look like? What about Messianic Judaism? What about Gentile Christianity what is their future? What is going to be the catalyst to release the greatest and last revival on planet earth?

Our Guest Jonathan Maracle

jonathan maracle

Sid: I have on the telephone a member of the First Nations. He is from the Mohawk Tribe the Tyendinaga Territory of Ontario, Canada. Jonathan Maracle I was talking on yesterday’s broadcast on February 1999 there was a transfer of anointing from your dad to yourself. Your father walked in a tremendous miracle anointing. And I don’t know all of this anointing includes but I do know that when you speak people begin weeping. Why is that?

Jonathan:  I believe that would be the passion that God has given me to see lives healed and changed. Some of the greatest healings that we’ve seen has been people who have been restored, self-respect and dignity and recognizing that God loves them who they are.

Sid: In 1999 you went to Israel but you didn’t just go to Israel you went with your full regalia of your ancestors dress and describe what you looked like?

Jonathan: Well I have 3 feathers on the top of my head that are eagle feathers.  I have on a piece called a Kostowa and it’s kind of like the headpiece that you would wear as an ambassador or somebody going to represent the Mohawk people. I had all buckskin or deerskin clothing that were traditional to my people.

Sid: Why did you go to Israel?

Jonathan: I went to Israel because I wanted to get connected to God’s people to the chosen ones, you know the chosen of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Because I serve the same God they serve I wanted to go and honor them and to love them.

Sid: But you had no idea, at least I assume you had no idea, that when you went there in your full regalia the Rabbis told you about a prophetic word 21 years ago.  Tell me about that.

Jonathan: Yeah it was a prophetic word actually it was one of the guys that was with our team his name is Richard Nunez. And Richard has been really a student or a lover of the Jewish people for a long long time. He went… we were at the wall and he went to the some of the Rabbi’s and he began to ask them “You know if it was okay for us to come in our regalia and to pray at the wall because our regalia the word regalia means royal robes. And when we wear regalia it’s because we’re coming with a heart of respect and dignity and honor.  So as we asked could we come to the wall in our royal robes so to speak, and the Rabbis’ welcomed us to come. So they told us that there was at the time 1999 there was a prophesy that they said that came out in 18 years before had been spoken that when First Nations people come to the wall in their regalia it was going to be a sign of the end times. When we came to the wall I mean it was amazing just 100’s of Jewish people came around us and began to ask us “What are you doing? Why are you here?” And we began to share our hearts with them that we were there to bless and to honor the Jewish people and to honor the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It was absolutely an incredible incredible time. From that we were asked and we were welcomed to go to the Knesset and we went before Avraham Burg. Protocol among First Nations People is one of the most important things and protocol to our people is giving. Whenever we go to another man’s place or another man’s territory we always carry with us gifts, we always carry gifts to honor. And they aren’t just like token gifts but they’re something special to us. And Israel as we went there and we were before Avraham Burg it was all of the people, all of our First Nations people were showering him with gifts, I mean he received eagle headdresses, he received pottery, and beautiful basket work, and bead work, and regalia, and just a whole bunch of things. And I took off my Kastowa, which is my headpiece of my people, and the Kastowa had the basic frame of my father’s Kastowa on it. And my father had always been a lover and always been one who prayed for the peace of Jerusalem. And his desire was to go to Jerusalem but he died before he could get a chance to go to Israel. And I had the privilege and the honor of carrying his Kastowa and giving it to the Chairman of the House of Israel.  So I had the chance to do that and he accepted it and we sang before them. We were they called us Warrior of Peace in the Jerusalem Post and in CNN they said there was First Nations People.  And he said “You keep referring to yourselves as warriors and he said “When I think of warriors,” he says “I think of people with guns doing battle.” But when I look at you he said it means Warriors of Peace.”  And so this was his declaration over us that we were “Warriors of Peace.” And while we were in Israel we had some other very interesting things happen. We had one of the Generals of the Israeli Defense Forces contact us and asked us if we would sing on our drum for the Defense Forces across the radio network of all of the defense forces outposts all across you know whether it was Lebanon, or Jordan, or Israel, or wherever they were. And we sang right in their Renaissance Jerusalem Hotel we set up our drum and we sang over the radio to all of the Israeli Defense Outposts everywhere.

Sid: Jon off of your CD “Rise Up Mighty Warrior.” This is what the Israeli Defense Forces might have heard.

Our Guests Bob & Jayne Griffin

Bob Griffin

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah he’s a Prophet his name is Bob Griffin. I’ve caught up with him in Charlotte, North Carolina where he’s speaking at a church there and this broadcast is being done on April 10th the day before April 9th Bob Griffin had a revelation from God that the world will never be the same. What did God show you?

Bob: Well it actually it literally began Sid probably about 8 weeks ago and the Lord began to during the time of the prophetic word a date came out and you know we’ve seen so many people that have given dates about different things and the one thing that we don’t want to do is we don’t want to cause people to stumble, but we do have to lean to His understanding when He’s beginning to speak something out and so…

Sid: You know even before you tell us what God showed you God has used you with specific dates with people in the past give me one example.

Bob:  Well here’s an example and this is a fresh one so it’s a testimony that’s on the tip of my tongue.  I received a phone call a few days and somewhere around 6 or 7 weeks ago I came into a meeting I began prophesying to an individual and it was a very lengthy prophecy probably close to 15 minute long specific word.  Which a lot of people at times will wonder why doesn’t the Lord speak to me that way but God chose to speak to this man in length.  During that specific word I gave him a date and I said “On March 13th your life will begin to take a new turn, it will begin to change God’s going to open up several doors of effectual ministry that are going to change your life and it’s what you’ve been believing God for” and I gave him some other details. Well that was about the end of it he came up afterwards and said “Boy you have no idea what you ministered to me.” And I hear that every single night because the accuracy is there and the fruit is there. And suddenly I get a phone call from him and he said “Do you remember prophesying to me about March 13th, and I said “Yes.” And he said “Could I give you a testimony?” And I said “Sure.” So he just called me up and this is fresh and he just said “He said I’m endeavoring to be a film maker in Hollywood and he said “I’m endeavoring to write scripts and he said on the morning of March 13th the Holy Spirit woke me up and there was a heavy anointing on me and he said “I sat down and I wrote an entire script for a Hollywood production and I wrote it all in one day.” He said “I’d been dreaming about this for nearly 20 years and he said “I’ve never had the anointing to do it but I woke up that morning and he said it just blossomed.”  That afternoon I receive a phone call from a producer in Hollywood with a production company, that I won’t mention but very major production company, and they called him up and said “We’ve heard that you’re endeavoring to do some work and do you have any scripts that you can show us?” And he said “As a matter of fact I do.” That was the end of it until just a few days ago he called me again and he said “I’m meeting with this Hollywood production company who is also meeting Paul Crouch and we’re endeavoring to do some stuff together. So as we begin to do these things together would you please be holding me up in prayer?”  Now I gave him a specific date of March 13 his life is radically turned. He had mentioned he had no intention of traveling anywhere for 6 months until he gets the call from a Hollywood producer that said “Get on the plane I want to meet you in Las Vegas.” He’s actually there on this very day the day that we’re speaking he’s there right now.

Sid: Now I’m going to take you back a few weeks ago and you bumped into the producer of my television show Janie DuVall and in the midst of conversation you said to her that “There would be a dramatic change of some sort in the ministry of Messianic Vision or my ministry on April 9th.”  And then the Lord started expanding what would happen on April 9th.

Bob: Yes.

Sid: Take it from there.

Bob: It was actually very special when I began ministering to her out of my spirit this date came forward and I’m sometimes hesitant you know we don’t realize what we’re saying when we’re under the anointing and we’re foretelling and were spilling out. When that day came out I really didn’t know what it was but I had time to go on and reflect and say “Okay Lord, what is about to change?” And what happened is I had a supernatural dream, I have dreams and I know that they are supernatural dreams that you know come from the Spirit of the Lord. Here’s what began to take place, I had a dream that I almost throughout I thought “This might be junk mail I thought that I would just throw it out.”  And it wouldn’t go away and I woke up one morning I dreamed that I was walking along side of a building and I was heading from a westerly direction to the east.  All of a sudden I looked and I was with 4 other people whose faces I didn’t know and I was walking along and suddenly I was taken out of myself, carried up to a high mountain and I was looking down at myself walking with these 4 people.  Suddenly the whole group of 5 made a left hand turn around the building and there was a river coming out from beneath this building and a bridge.  And the 5 of us began to cross over and as we began to cross over we turned and knocked on a door and the door opened. And when the door opened a woman was standing inside and we made another left hand turn and when we made this other left hand turn all of a sudden these 5 women were in there preparing for a great big meeting.  And they did something very unusual and I’ll try to hurry this up but they began to dance and one of them said “All we want to do is see Him and she motioned to the heavens and pointed to her eyes and she said all we want to do is hear Him, and all we want to do is feel Him in this place.” Suddenly she said “Get ready, get ready and suddenly the whole building began to shake, the floor was shaking and vibrating the floor, everything was just moving with this sound and it was an Israeli Jewish sound that was coming into this building. Suddenly she said “There must be one here, there must be one here” and I turned around to see what they were pointing at and she said “Are you Jewish?” And she said “Yes, she said “This sound is coming for you.” And I suddenly realized in this dream that I thought I was going to a meeting that was going to last 10 minutes or so and then it was going to be over but suddenly this sound was happening and it was something very pivotal.  Well when I was coming through the doorway the woman standing there at the door said “18, 19, 20, 21.” And I thought “What is that?”  I woke up from the dream and I started to throw it away and the Lord said “I want you to take a look at this.” And I began to realize that the Lord was speaking to me about the 5 fold ministry, there were 5 of us we were walking from the west which represents grace, the east which represents the law and God was having us turn around in the 5 fold ministry and look at once more towards the east towards Jerusalem.  Suddenly we made a left hand turn we crossed over a river. I began to study Ezekiel the water that comes out from underneath the temple it flows from the west to the east I began to crossover the bridge.  As we’re crossing over the Lord saying the 5 fold ministry is beginning to cross over the church is going to begin to make a major turn. The Spirit of the Lord is saying right now as we begin to make this major turn the church is going to begin to turn their eyes once more towards Jerusalem and suddenly we knocked on the door when the door opened up all of a sudden realized that something was happening.  I woke up from the dream and I began to count as I began to count we made three left hand turns, we made three right hand turns, we made a left hand turn and all of a sudden I realized that cadence was happening your left, your left, your left right left, it was a countdown three lefts, two rights a left. Three to one this is a countdown for the church for the church to turn back towards Israel. And this is shift that we’re talking about on the April 9 I believe that God is saying look again. And its no coincidence that at this time Colin Powell is visiting getting ready to form an alliance that will come in and help Israel. I believe that the Lord is saying that even as a nation we’re to turn and look. Even as the church were to turn and look and the Lord is telling us to embrace Him for the storm. God spoke to me yesterday and He said “I want my people to embrace me for this storm; I want them to come close to me before these things take place.” And I suddenly realized that the Lord is crying out for intimacy and in the midst of that 3-2-1 countdown the Lord began to take me to Revelation 3:21.  When I looked at it He said “I’ll grant you to sit on the thrones with Me and then I looked at the 18, 19, 21. I counsel you buy from me gold refined in the fire. I counsel you to get white garments that you’ll be clean and I counsel you to get eye salve for your eyes.  I believe God is saying that this is the time that the Gentile church is the Christian church will begin to turn around and not be anti-Semitic but to turn around and begin to look towards the holy roots, begin to look and realize that we’ve all been grafted in and then God is doing something very powerful and it’s a time for us to turn around.   I believe that the water mark that the Lord was speaking about April 9th and I believe in addition to that that we’re going to see some incredible things happening in our nation and the Middle East.

Sid: Tell me what we’re going to see and again Mishpocha this is being done on April 10th 2002.

Bob: Well I believe that the Lord is saying right now that we are to look towards the Middle East and toward Saddam Hussein during the mouth of June that we are to look up. Several weeks ago the Lord woke me up from a dream and He said “There’s going to be a big earthquake.” I went into a service that night and I announced it I said “The Lord said there’s going to be a big earthquake.” Well four days later we had one in Afghanistan.  Two weeks later goes by the Lord says “More earthquakes.” We had 2 more then we had another in the Philippines. And then the Lord said “Another earthquake coming and God says “I’m going to shake Baghdad.”  The Lord said the governments of this age are not going to do this work but the governments of God are going to begin to do this work.” And the Lord began to show me “Look back towards that 1040 window again.”  Well I know when the Lord begins to redirect my path He’s saying “You’re doing but I want you to turn around and look at what I’m doing and where I’m going.” And so I hope that I’m sensitive enough to start turning where He’s going and walk where He’s going.

Sid: Is there…there’s going to be an outpouring of God’s Spirit we know this; what kind of shaking will occur in America as well as the Middle East?

Bob: Well it’s interesting in 1992 the Lord began to prepare our ministry.  I asked Him one day there was so much speculation about oh tribulation, rapture and everything.  I said Lord this is just so confusing I’m a new Spirit Filled believer I don’t know what to believe and I heard the Lord say “Prepare to go through tribulation.” He didn’t say we’re going to go through it He said “Prepare to.” And so we began to dig in and we began to get ready.” And so when I hear the Lord say “Embrace for the storm.” I believe He’s telling us I want you to embrace and that there’s a lot more getting ready to happen. And so I believe that He’s telling us that to get close to Him, get sensitive to Him let Him speak to us with this outpouring that He’s giving to us so that we are in our right position.

Sid:  Are we going to see more disasters in America?

Bob: There’s no doubt in my mind that we’re going to see more I regret that I wish that we weren’t but I believe that the prayers that came forth in 9/11 averted much catastrophe.  And I believe that unfortunately we’re coming back to a place of complacency and lethargy and apathy and when we do we’re not pressing in. But I believe that the Spirit of God is for us to come back to Him right now.

Sid: …People that have taken the course of yours have they been able to understand dreams and visions?

Bob: Oh absolutely we just got a phone call less than an hour ago from a woman who said “I’ve never had any dreams and visions we came to the conference I’ve been having visions all days the impartations was caught; the oil of the Holy Spirit is upon her and she’s understanding.  My children I have little children who have been having drams and visions because they have been under this anointing. And my little daughter Jasmine when she was 4½ years old began having dreams.  She began speaking in tongues and baptized in the Holy Spirit and she began to have…

Sid: Bob we’re out of time.