Our Guests Geoff and Michelle Cohen


Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Michelle Cohen I’m speaking to her at her home in Ventura California.  Michelle was born in England she was 22 when she found out that it was hidden that she was Jewish because there was so much anti-Semitism she was trying to be protective but something woke up within her. Although she was raised in a non-religious home Jewish or Christian it just wasn’t religious at all.  She was a very successful dancer went to a top performing arts school in England. Got involved in the dark side in the occult literally could see demons wanted out, didn’t know how to get out. She was literally a prisoner and one day she doesn’t know why she just cried out to God she said “Jesus if Your real help me.”  And God heard that prayer and she wound up in America went to a church in California called “Church on the Way” Jack Hayford’s. And literally the Spirit of God came upon her she got set free she had experienced a peace like he had every experienced in the New Age or the occult. Did you feel clean Michelle?

Michelle: Oh I felt so clean I felt like just like the Bible says that I was a new creation.

Sid: And you heard a voice of God and that the voice said for the inside “You are home.”

Michelle: You’re home.

Sid: You made Jesus your Messiah and Lord.

Michelle: Yes.

Sid: But even after you did that I’d like to say “Everything turned out wonderful but you began to run out of money.”

Michelle: That’s right (Laughing) I come from England to America planning to go back planning to go back to my choreography and dance teaching work in England. And as I developed a wonderful relationship with the Lord I knew that God was telling me “You need to stay here you need to call them you won’t be back I’ve got something else for you.” And it was during that time my husband and I Geoffrey Cohen and I were beginning to get together we were in prayer meetings together, we were studying the Bible together.  And it got to the point where I had run out of money I had no plane ticket back, I had no work Visa with which I could stay in the United States and I prayed and fasted for 3 days. And the Lord spoke very clearly to my heart trust Me and about 2 weeks after that Geoffrey asked me to marry him (Laughed.)

Sid: Well with that I think I have to talk to talk to Geoffrey Cohen could you put him on the phone?

Michelle: Sure here he is.

Geoff: Hi.

Sid: Hi Geoff you were in the room so you heard what Michelle said and you’re read on it she was doing real spiritual things praying and fasting.  Your read was when you saw a woman that was excited about Jesus and not ashamed of her faith as you were you figured she’s got to be the one.  And then both of you had a very interesting open vision and the thing that’s so amazing is you both had it at the same time. Tell me about it.

Geoff; Well there were 2 experienced that I had with the Lord one of them was in England when we saw we were actually staying in the basement of my wife’s Dad’s home in London. And both of us saw the hand of God and we saw I’ll just tell you what I saw you know she saw the same thing but I didn’t know she was seeing it at the same time until afterwards. I just saw the world in God’s hand and I thought “Wow it’s not so big after all.” Because it just fit into His hands so easily because His hands are so big.”  And then God came and He opened up my chest and there is no way to explain it accept this is what happened it was a vision.  He opened up my chest and He took the world and He placed the world inside my heart and ever since that time I’ve had such a burden for every tribe every nation every tongues. And what happened after that experienced in both of us a Spirit of travail and intercession came on us for the gospel to go into nations which it never been before.  I was like Albania and where the iron curtain was still up at this time we began to pray that God would pull down those walls those iron curtains and those walls that are stopping the gospel from going into various nations. And of course the walls did come down after that and I’m not saying because it’s only because of our prayers but I know that that played a part of it.

Sid: Now I’m curious you said “Michelle had the same vision?”

At the same time.

Sid: Can I speak to her for a moment?

Geoff: Yeah certainly.

Sid: Okay. Now Michelle you tell me what your vision was at the same time as Geoff.

Michelle:  It was exactly that. We had a heart for people everywhere having come to…

Sid: I mean did he tell you what he was seeing and then you saw it?

Michelle: No not at all we were having a time of prayer this was different from other times of prayer in that as we just sat before the Lord His presence came. It’s not always like that when you pray sometimes you just sitting and you’re just having wonderful fellowship with the Lord or your praying but this was different the room filled with the glory of God. And we began to just come into a very deep place of prayer in the Lord and I saw exactly what Geoff saw we discussed it afterward we couldn’t believe we’d seen the same thing the world in God’s hand realizing that it’s not so big. These people all over the world can be reached because we’d had such an incredible experience of coming to know our Messiah coming to know Jesus personally coming to know that He is the one that takes away all of our sins that He’s the answer. We wanted to be able to tell everybody everywhere and we still do and God put the world in our hearts. And since that time He’s given us much opportunity to go.

Sid: Now you had a second vision with again the same things happened to you this this is really fascinating tell me about it.

Michelle: Well we were in South Africa now and again just coming to the Lord in prayer as we would do everyday just coming to sit before the Lord and again Sid all I can say is that it was a sovereign visitation from the most holy God. God comes in peace, God comes with joy, God comes in different way but this visitation from God was holiness came into our apartment building in Johannesburg South Africa.  It was so incredible to experience His holiness we fell on our faces to the floor. We felt like 200 or more blankets were being laid upon us the weighty glory the presence of God was so great upon us. And we began to weep and weep and cry out for the people of the world for the people of South Africa and all of the nations of the world. For the Jewish people because Sid when God came in His holiness we had a vision of the very last days on this earth the days when there would be those who wouldn’t be ready to go with the Messiah when He comes again. And that has been having an incredible impact on our lives it was really a commission I believe from the Lord to go everywhere that He would send us to share the good news.

Sid: Did He indicate that many people might not be ready?

Michelle: You know Sid He did and that was what was so awful and dreadful the Bible talks about the coming of this dreadful day of the Lord the terrible day of the Lord. And I believe that it’s called that because of the horror in people’s hearts when they realize that they needed to get right with God but it was too late and that is what we saw when God visited us like that in Johannesburg.  We saw that there would be those that weren’t ready and we sensed the horror of people who would say “I’ve missed it its too late Jesus has come He’s gone.”  The trumpet has been sounded He’s come to gather up those that they belong to Him who have the Holy Spirit up He’s gathered them up and now He’s gone and it’s too late and tribulation begins to come on the face of the earth.”

Sid: I wonder if I can speak to your husband once more because at the same time that Michelle had this visitation Geoffrey had the visitation. Now did you hear the same thing that Michelle or did you hear something different Geoff?

Geoff: No it was exactly the same thing it was really God just supernaturally just opening our eyes and just there’s no way to explain except that it was revelation from God. Basically revelation means that God showed your something He revealed something to you.  And I just saw…in fact I thought that God was going to come at that moment that’s what I thought was happening I thought that we were just about to be raptured up out of the earth right at that moment because His coming was so imminent it was so real to me the immediacy of God’s coming and how short the time is.

Sid: Now you said that you were pinned to the ground.

Geoff: Yes.

Sid: Could you have gotten up if you wanted to?

Geoff: No, no absolutely no way.

Sid: And the same thing with Michelle.

Geoff: Yes.

Sid: How long were you pinned to the ground?

Geoff: Probably obviously I didn’t time it but I would say 4 to 6 hours at least.

Sid: That’s a pretty strong thing God wanted to really get that point across to you.

Geoff: Very much so very much so.

Sid: Do you believe He’s coming soon though?

Geoff: Absolutely you know I don’t know the day or the hour nobody knows that but He’s coming soon I have no doubt. And to some He’s coming so soon that his last day could be tomorrow. It might even been the rapture but the very last day could be tomorrow so for them He really is coming soon and so that’s what God’s placed on my heart that He’s coming soon for everybody and we need to be ready.

Sid: And you know what I believe Geoff that God’s people must demonstrate God’s kingdom on earth so I mean that’s the way Jesus promoted the fact that the Kingdom of God had come on earth that’s the way Jesus grabbed the attention of unsaved people. And you’ve prayed for the sick. Tell me one sick person you’ve prayed for that has been healed.

Geoff: Well when I when I was ministering at that time it was called the homelands and so that’s because I was ministering in the ? and was actually a mountainous area and we had ministered the whole week.  But we said that we weren’t going to pray for people during the week but on Sunday anybody was sick anyone could come and we were going to pray for the sick people on Sunday. And I can honestly say before the Lord that that day that every single person that I prayed for on that day was instantaneously healed. But the only one that you could actually see physically because people could say “Well what’s the problem?”  They’d say “I’ve got a sore back or you know I’ve got a pain in my leg and they’d say that it was gone.” But there was one that you could visibly see there was a lady who was blind and she was about 3 people back in the prayer line and I was kind of secretly hoping that she wouldn’t pray for her to receive her sight because you know we have so little faith. I was hoping she’d say maybe she’s got you know a medical ? or something like that. Because you can’t fake it you know when someone’s blind obviously everyone’s going to see that they’re not. But God gave me a gift of faith when it came time to pray for her I said “What do you need?” And she said “Well I need to see.” And her eyes were smoked over they were glazed over she was 100% blind she wasn’t what we call legally blind in America which means that you could barely see but you couldn’t drive a car. She was absolutely blind she couldn’t walk without holding on to her daughter.  And God gave me a gift of faith and He said to me “Yes I’m going to heal her but you’re going to put spit in her eyes but you need to ask her first.” So I asked her daughter and she translated and I said “Is that okay?” And she said “Of course” I wasn’t going to spit on your eyes if you’re blind if you’re going to be healed you know.

Sid: You spit on her eyes?

Geoff: Yeah.

Sid: Oh e’veh! Hold that thought…

Our Guests Geoff and Michelle Cohen


Sid: I have a Jewish woman on the telephone Michelle Cohen who is red hot for the Messiah. She was 22 years of age living in England when she found out for the first time she was Jewish it was hidden from her because of all of the anti-Semitism and the hurts that her mother had.  And Michelle you said that you were going to a top school in London for performing arts and you were living with some other women things were not going so well in your life. You were living with some other women things were not going so well in your life you were breaking up with guys but it sounds like it really was affecting it wasn’t just oh well there’s someone new. It sounds like it really did…it really was very destructive in your life.

Michelle: It really was when my Grandfather died my Jewish Grandfather at the age of 15 I think that’s when I really began to ask the questions that so many people ask “Who am I; where do I come from; where am I going when I die?  And you know getting together with boyfriends breaking up and having that pain of the inside and trying to deal with the pain began to open myself up to something’s that really became quite destructive.

Sid: Well you actually with the other girls in the dorm you had a séance how did you even know to have one?

Michelle: You know I really didn’t know much about that kind of thing when I look back now I realize opening the door…that’s what it really was opening the door to the devil because I didn’t know that it was the devil? No I didn’t even know that demons existed I didn’t know what they were if someone would have said that to me I would have laughed at them or come on demons? But when I look back now and I realized that when we did that night was a very serious step in the wrong direction.

Sid: Did you actually make communication with the spirit world?

Michelle: You know we did then I’ll never forget it the sense of darkness and evil in the room was unbelievable and in my naivety I thought “Well maybe this supernatural world out there is what’s going to hold the answers to some of my problems.”

Sid: Well I noticed that it sort of like the drug of choice for the moment gives you the high for the moment but in the New Age you have to keep going on to bigger and better things…

Michelle: Right.

Sid: Because the old isn’t working anymore did the same thing happen to you?

Michelle: Oh that’s so true you put that so well I went from the séance to looking into astrology and then you know what began is just looking through the magazines in a weekly basis became an ever deeper search getting books from the library thinking “Well if that’s not enough maybe I need to know enough to actually do it for other people.”
And from that it became tarot cards and then tarot it became every kind of New Age or occult type thing that came up I’d go to it. And what I found was instead of getting the answers to those phenomenal questions in life and the void in my heart being filled it then became my life became emptier and darker and more and more miserable.

Sid: But then it came to a point that you could actually look into the spirit world and you began to see demons? Tell me about that.

Michelle: That was true it was probably the most terrible time of my life that I can remember I felt like I was on such a downhill decline.  I would wake up in the middle of the night and see some of the most grotesque creatures in my bedroom and glaring at me leering at me and I couldn’t do anything about it. Didn’t know what they were, didn’t know why they were there tormenting me but I was very deeply tormented by them quite awful.

Sid: Well didn’t anyone tell you how to close the door that you had opened?

Michelle: You know the whole of my time in England until I left England at the age of 24 I never heard the good news of Yeshua the Messiah. I never heard how to get free from these things I just went deeper and deeper into things that took me further and further away from life and truth.

Sid: But were you deceived to the point that you thought evil was good?

Michelle: You know I thought that the reality of what I knew deep down in my heart let me see that this wasn’t going anywhere this was no answer at all.  It got to the point finally Sid that where I thought “I’ve tried everything I don’t know what else to do I don’t know where else to turn I don’t know even if I want to live anymore.” And I knew that these things weren’t the answer I didn’t think that the evil was good because if didn’t have no joy, there was no peace in it and it was just…life was miserable I didn’t even want to live.

Sid: October 1988 you hit a real low point in your life why?

Michelle: I had just broken up with another boyfriend I thought that my heart was going to break in two literally the pain was so great. I felt like I’d tried everything I could and I just didn’t want to live anymore. And I can remember walking upstairs into the bedroom thinking “I just need to figure out how to end this thing once and for all.”  And Sid it was at that moment the lowest point in my life I don’t even know this precious name came from but deep down from the inside of me I could remember looking up as if through the ceiling to heaven and saying “Jesus if you’re real please help me, please help me.” And I just sob and sob and cried and cried for house and cried myself to sleep.  And my life didn’t change overnight but I know one thing that when I woke up the next morning I had hope that I haven’t had the night before.  I had hope that I could just keep going a little bit longer that I need a change I needed a big change and I didn’t know what that change was but I needed a change in my life.

Sid: Well you really did have a bit change because you ended up in the United States.

Michelle: Right.

Sid: And you met a woman by the name of Francis Chapman that changed your life tell me about her.

Michelle: Yes I went to my boss I needed a change I went to the lady that I was working for at another of the very best performing arts schools in London and I was teaching dance and choreographing and I went to her and said “I just need to go to America awhile.”  She said “Why don’t you go and stay with my friend Francis in Los Angles.” And I said “Well that’s okay with me you know can Francis pick me up from the airport?” And she did she was such a sweet and lovely lady and took me home to her house and 2 days later Francis was getting up and getting ready to go somewhere and I said “Where are you going?” And she said “Church.” And I said “Can I come?”  She said “Sure why don’t you come along.” And I went with her and we went into “Church on the Way” it was the first time I’d ever been into a church before. And Sid all I can remember when I walked through the door I felt the most beautiful presence that I’ve every experienced in my life. I knew…you know I never used the word holy but I knew that when I walked in those doors and there was 100’s and even close to 1 or 2000 people with their hands lifted up singing praises to this invisible God. And as I walked thru the door I felt this totally and beautiful presence I began to cry because it touched me very deeply in my heart.

Sid: And you begin to hear a voice.

Michelle: Yes I heard the most gentle loving compassionate voice I had ever heard it was as if it was right in my heart this voice speaking right to my heart not to my head but to my heart.  And He said “It’s alright Michelle you’re home now your home now.”  And I was just overwhelmed with this sense I knew that it was Jesus. I knew Jesus the One that I cried out to 3 months earlier saying “Jesus if You’re real please help me.” That He had answered that cry and answered that prayer and He was coming to tell me “It’s alright you’re in the right place your home now.”  And home was Him (Laughing.)

Sid: But then immediately you heard another voice.

Michelle: Yes I did it was almost like a fight going on you know this voice seemed to not be able to penetrate deep into my heart. This was a voice that spoke to my intellect if you like and I heard a harder voice speak to my mind saying “Don’t give in you’ll be a nothing you’ll be a nobody you’ll get lost in the crowd you’ll never be in the lime light again.” You know because I came from the entertainment industry and I heard this voice telling me all of the reasons why I shouldn’t surrender to Jesus why I shouldn’t surrender to love, this compassion.  This voice this presence that filled my heart more than years and years of trying every other thing Jesus filled that void in my heart and I knew that I need to give my life to Him and let Him heal me.

Sid: You told me that you actually not only heard a voice but you felt a presence of God describe that.

Michelle: Light perfect light, lightness, peace, no worries, faith a sense of faith.  But the presence of Jesus was enough to take care of everything that would worry me. And I can remember when I gave my heart to Him I said “Jesus I have tried everything I want to give my heart to You, I want to give my life to You I believe that You are the Son of God that gave the gift of righteousness to me, I believe that what You did for me laying Your life down, Your blood was enough to atone for my sin; take my sins away I accept what You did for me come and live in my heart.” And as I did that it was almost like a really strong shower from heaven got switched on in the heavenlies and I experienced being washed with light and life and love and I was never the same again.

Sid: Ah we’re out of time Michelle hold that thought. We’re going to find out how Michelle and Geoffrey got together in a very supernatural fashion and the miracles that have happened since.

Our Guests Geoff and Michelle Cohen


Sid: My guest by way of telephone Geoffrey Cohen was raised in South Africa strong Orthodox Jewish background and he got to Israel was on a Kibbutz  and a born again Christian had chutzpa chutzpa is a Hebrew word it means nerve it’s sort of what Paul had when he said “I’m not ashamed of the gospel” because it’s the power of  God unto salvation no gospel no power. And this man even though he was in Israel was not intimidated shared the gospel planted a seed I mean Geoffrey was amazed when he found out that Jesus is Jewish.  He literally thought to himself “Well why does so many Christians hate the Jewish people if Jesus is Jewish.  Geoffrey it just didn’t compute did it.

Geoff: No not at all.

Sid: And then you went to Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem and all of a sudden the last thing in the world you expected to see you saw before your very eyes… describe what you saw.

Geoff: Well as I was saying I saw Jesus standing in front of me and just His presence is just I mean my words are very inadequate to describe.  It was His presence was just so powerful and my first reflex action was to grab my friend who was traveling with me and say “Hey hey look look look there’s Jesus.” And as I turned to grab him I realized that he wasn’t seeing Jesus and neither were the people milling around the Arab market. And I realized that if they could see Him they would have immediately stopped I mean He was Jesus and…

Sid: How real did He look to you did He look like a vision or was it actually Him?

Geoff: No I didn’t know what a vision was being an Orthodox Jew an Orthodox Jewish background I didn’t know what a vision was I just knew that I saw Jesus nobody ever told me what a vision was.  I didn’t know that I had had a vision until after I became until after I got saved so all I knew was I saw Jesus as real if not more real than any other person around me. But what struck me is that nobody else was seeing Him.

Sid: Now you told me about His eyes tell me again I want to hear that.

Geoff: Well His eyes were just like endless pools of water of course we know living water.  And just perfect compassion perfect love and without me understanding any theology about who Jesus was I knew I was looking at eternity and that possibly He was the Messiah.  And He actually appeared to me 3 times that was the first time and this is all at the same space of time by the Arab market.

Sid: But it was the 3 times in the same day or in…

Geoff: Three times within 5 minutes maybe 4.

Sid: But He said something to you that first time.

Geoff: Yeah He spoke the words Hineini to me which means “Here am I.” And He spoke it without opening His mouth.

Sid: What did that mean to you? What did the words mean to you?

Geoff: I knew that it meant “Here am I” because I learned Hebrew most of the time that I was there you know 7 years old.  What it meant to me at the very least was that “Here am I I’m Jewish I’m a Jew.” I didn’t quite understand that He was the Messiah up to that point but that when I looked into His eyes and I saw eternity in His eyes I thought “Surely this must be the Messiah” but I didn’t know what to do about it.  And then He appeared to me again a second time just standing maybe  15’ to the right from where He was the first time.  And when He looked at me it was so life changing, it was so powerful, it was so awesome I’d never seen or experienced such a love and total acceptance in my life. And then He disappeared after appearing to me the second time the second time He didn’t say anything He just looked at me but one look from God can change you forever and it’s changed me forever that was 16 years ago I haven’t been the same man for 16 years.

Sid: Tell what changed occurred immediately in your life when you received Jesus as your Messiah and Lord.

Geoff: Well I always had at least 1 girlfriend or more and I was involved in promiscuous lifestyle you know just like a lot of people who don’t know the Lord of my generation. And you know I was do things like you know drink with my friends and stuff like that and maybe occasionally smoke a joint to some people sounds “Oh how could you do that?” But that was pretty normal in those days it wasn’t as if I was heavily addicted to anything accept maybe fornication that which was not good obviously. But when I got saved when I came to know the Lord without anyone telling me “You have got to stop doing these things, you’ve got to stop drinking you’re not to smoke pot any more you know don’t have sex out of marriage any more no one told me anything but God immediately without knowing what the Bible said about it God just took those desires out of my heart.”

Sid: Now I don’t know the answer to this question many of the questions I do but “You got to the United States and you met a Jewish woman by the name Michelle from England.”

Geoff: Yes.

Sid: How did you know that you were supposed to marry her?

Geoff: Well she was one of the most ? on fire people that I’d met for the Lord…you know as a believer in Jesus and I was such a radical Christian that I could scare off most people but I didn’t scare her off in fact she was as zealous as I was (Laughing.) And the Lord drew us together there was just a witness in the spirit and she had a very strong prophetic call in her life which which I could just tell. In fact we’d be in meetings in Church on the Way we were members of that church that’s where I met her at a single’s group I think was on a Monday night.

Sid: That’s Jack Hayford’s Church.

Geoff: Jack Hayford’s Church yeah yeah and she was just so zealous for the Lord and on fire and we actually on our first date we actually went to preach in Westwood in Los Angles and this was the test if she was from God for me that she’d be willing to preach on the streets without anything just to stand up and preach (Laughing.) But that was our first I guess that’s what I’d use to do do is I would just stand up and preach.

Sid: Yeah you like that boldness don’t you?

Geoff: Yes (Laughing.)

Sid: That’s I mean if it wasn’t for boldness you wouldn’t have known the Lord. I’ll tell you what Geoff if you would put your wife Michelle on the telephone I’d like to find out a bit about her background. So I’ve asked Geoff to put Michelle Cohen.

Michelle: “Hello.”

Sid: Hi Michelle I understand that you went most of your life and didn’t even know that you were Jewish.

Michelle: That’s true that is actually true.

Sid: How did that happen?

Michelle: Well I was raised in a completely Gentile environment at my home and my mother was not raised in a Jewish home herself although her father was Jewish. And when he was a very young man about 16 – 17 years old he wanted to marry a young lady who wasn’t Jewish. And when he announced that to his family they cut him off from his family. And so from that time on I think there was a lot of hurt and pain about her that whole Jewish family background and it wasn’t something that my Mum talked about very often

Sid: So how did you find out you were Jewish?

Michelle: Well I began to put 2 and 2 together one day as I got older and gradually began to ask her more and more questions and more probing questions it wasn’t enough just to hear that it’s a sweet family get-together stories I wanted to really know “Where did I come from?” You know my ancestry, what was this name Goldberg I knew that that meant something and she would begin to you know open up a little bit more as the years went by.  And it wasn’t about 22 that she began to describe some painful stories of her own in England people would taunt her and ridicule and give her a hard time for having a Jewish name and being Jewish.

Sid: How did you feel when you found out you were Jewish?

Michelle: I felt immediately a sense of tremendous connection to something that was much greater and bigger than I’d ever known.  I felt confused a little bit because I didn’t understand why something so great and wonderful hadn’t really been brought up in our family even to discuss openly but it made me curious to know more. And it did some- thing in my heart that you know made me maybe prepared for the future when I would meet Geoff.

Sid: Well let me ask you “Were you raised as a Christian?

Michelle: No not at all no I mean it wasn’t a bad family they were wonderful parents my Dad was this wonderful man my mother was wonderful but we never went to church. We never discussed God we didn’t do anything religious.

Sid: Well you were a very very successful dancer did your parents have a background like that how did you become a dancer?

Michelle: Well my Dad is artistic he paints beautifully he does wonderful oil paintings and various other artistic work. And he loved music and we grow up listening to great music classical jazz and all kinds of things.  And from an early age I just had a inclination towards putting movement to music I actually went to gymnastics and I was part of the British Team for a few years. But after I finished with that I knew that dancing was the thing that I wanted to do.

Sid: But why did you get involved in the occult the New Age?

Michelle: Well in the kind of environment of the performing school that I went to it was a fulltime performing arts college.

Sid: Like it was it a very prominent one?

Michelle: Yes it was in London there are several really good ones in London and this was one of those.  And I was about 17 I’d finished high school and I was already having not grown up with that much of a moral rules and regulations in the home I wanted to you know go on a discovery as young girls often do at that age instead of have boy friends and this kind of thing. And what actually happened was as I was going into the performing arts college and I’d have boyfriends and we then we’d break up. And maybe it’s like this for a lot of your girls that’s out there but the heart ache that can be caused in the inside is sometimes more than can really be you know shared with someone. The fact that you’ve joined yourself with somebody and then you breakup you know and you’ve kind of you…                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Sid: Michelle I’m sorry if you’ll hold that thought we’ll pick up on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Our Guests Ken & Trudi Blount

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I am mad with a godly anger over what the devil is doing to marriages, what the devil is doing to children. I am angry and my guest has come up with a supernatural way to devil-proof our families. Do you want to know this? Me, too. I don’t know how you two survived. What were you, 17, and how old?


KEN: Nineteen.


SID: Seventeen and 19, you get married. You don’t know God. You were sabotaged from the get-go. You should have never survived.


KEN: No.




KEN: We heard that the word around town was those two will never make it.


TRUDI: Right.


SID: And then you became, how did you become an alcoholic.


KEN: Well I didn’t want to, but my dad was an alcoholic and I hated it when I watched him growing up. But then I fell into it, and by the time I’m 19, I’m drinking on a daily basis.


SID: So Trudi, you came to the end of yourself. Tell me about that.


TRUDI: Right. Well you know, like every girl, I’ve known him since I was 12 years old, so we grew up together. And I thought he would be the answer to all my prayers, you know, the knight in shining armor. And we hadn’t been married six months, and I could tell that things were not going well. It was in the middle of the Vietnam War. We were newly married. We were having a hard time making a living and that’s a lot of the reasons he began to drink, I think. It was just having a new bride and he’s fearful. But it just seemed like he came home every night and he would begin to drink and there was no communication because [he’d] forget everything you’d talk to [him] about. And I never had felt so alone in all my life. And so that night I cried out to God, and I just said, “If you don’t show me that you’re real I’ll never walk in the door of a church again and I’m not going to serve you anymore.” And the very next morning when I woke up, there were people at my door with beautiful feet that began to share the Gospel with me, and it was my sister and my brother-in-law.

KEN: And they told you about Jesus.


TRUDI: Yes. They began to talk to me about Jesus. And in fact, my eyes were swollen. My brother-in-law just said this, he said, “Do you believe God could heal your eyes?” And I don’t know why I said it, I just said, “Yes, I do.” He said, “Can we talk to you about something that happened to us.” I said, “Yes, please.” They had gone to the dentist and this dentist was a man that was saved and filled with the Holy Spirit, and he began to witness to them and got them filled with the Spirit there at the dentist office, and it changed their life completely. And when I heard about it, I just said, “I want that. How do I get it?” And they said, “Well, we’re not really sure, but we’ll pray with you.” And so I remember I was in my living room and it’s still the sweetest thing to me to remember. You know, I’ll never get over being saved, ever. And I prayed and asked Jesus into my heart. And then, I said I want that other thing, which is not a thing. It’s a person, but I didn’t know that then. I want the Holy Spirit. And they said, “Well we’re not quite sure how to pray with you about that, but just ask him.” So I remember I reached my hands towards Heaven and I began to just beg, “God, please fill me with your Spirit.” And my sister tapped me on the shoulder and she said, “Well I know one thing. I don’t know a lot, but I know one thing. You don’t have to beg him for anything. He wants you to have this.” So I remember I lifted my hands towards the Lord and I was trying to speak in English, and the next thing I know this beautiful language began to roll out of me.


KEN: When I got home that night, you can imagine, she was so joyful, she had been crying, and I thought, what’s going on. And she told me, “I’ve been saved and filled with the Holy Spirit.” And she thought I would immediately want to jump in, but I said, “No, I don’t think I want that.”


SID: Why?


KEN: I thought God was mad at me, Sid. I thought, see, Trudi is sweet and wonderful, but I know what kind of guy I am.


SID: Okay. So God adds a little bit more. You have a marvelous healing.


KEN: You grew up with crossed eyes.


TRUDI: Right.


KEN: Took a fall when she was a little four-year-old girl that triggered a birth defect and caused her eyes to cross.


SID: Couldn’t surgery help?


TRUDI: I had three surgeries in my lifetime and they would try to cosmetically fix it. But because it was a birth defect, it would always go back.


SID: I see.

KEN: It was incurable.


TRUDI: Yes, it’s incurable.


KEN: But one night at a home prayer meeting somebody said, “Trudi, would you like us to pray for your eyes?” She said yes. So they prayed for her and within an hour, she looked in the mirror. She took her glasses off. Something was going on with her eyes. She looked in the mirror and her eyes were totally straight. And she threw her glasses away. Her vision was 20/20.


SID: Okay. That had to push you over, Ken.


KEN: You can imagine.


SID: So you became a believer immediately.


KEN: She came home. I wasn’t there. I walked in the door. She said, “Look at my eyes.” And I knew what she was going to tell me. Her eyes were straight. I knew the trouble she had with her eyes and I thought God is after me, but I still wasn’t ready.


SID: Now Trudi, I understand, is doing some secret work. She’s laying hands on the bed to get you to be, what were you doing?


TRUDI: Actually, he’s drinking. So he went to sleep real sound every night. So when he would fall asleep, about the only scripture I knew was that when you pray in the spirit you pray a perfect prayer. And I thought, I don’t know what he needs, but the Holy Spirit does. So I would wait until he fell asleep and I would just put my hands on his back, and just pray in the Spirit until I fell asleep.


SID: Secret. Sneaky.




KEN: That’s a sneaky thing to do for somebody that’s running from God.


SID: Okay. So you’re still running. You’re on your way to run to a liquor store to get some more alcohol.


KEN: Which was [unintelligible].


SID: But something happened.


KEN: Well I’m driving down the road and I was thinking about conversation that her prayers were working. And Sid, the Lord, the only way I know how to say it is the Lord filled the car. I knew God was there. I heard God speak and I heard the Lord say to me, “I love you.” And then he said this: “I want to help you.” Then the third statement he said, “Why don’t you ask me to help you.” And there’s so much in those three things. God loves everybody. God wants to help everybody, but God can’t unless we invite him in. Now I didn’t immediately do that, but within a few days, I was in our living room and I got right with God.


[voice over] Please, God, forgive my sins. Please make me a new man.


SID: You know, the devil knew they were going to do something powerful. He gave him a black eye.




SID: They were going to devil-proof the family. And so he threw everything he could think of at them, but they threw back. Do you remember, you might have seen the Gospel Bill television show? Well guess who was Nicodemus? You’re looking at him, Nicodemus. And thousands of children, a whole generation of children came to the Lord, were encouraged in the Lord because of what they did. They persevered. But I want them to teach you how to devil-proof your family, your marriage, your children. We’ll be right back.

Our Guest Sid Roth

SID: So I told my friend, Rabbi Jonathan Bernis, and I told him what’s going on in Israel. This is what he said to me: “Sid, it’s just like the old days. They’re back.” Something happened that is beyond my comprehension, really and truly. We had an event in Tel Aviv, Israel that was beyond, beyond the pale. This is Israel. This is where it all started. This is where it’s all going to finish. This is God’s land. I want you to see God’s hand on his ancient Jewish people what he just did in Tel Aviv, Israel.


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SID: I wish I could have taken all of you to Tel Aviv, Israel, a few days ago. Something happened and I have been an investigative reporter of the supernatural for over 40 years. I have never heard of this. I mean, the greatest giants of the healing ministries, I have never heard of what just happened in Tel Aviv, Israel. Thirty-three buses pulled in to the hall that we rented, jam-packed with unsaved Jewish Israelis. Why were they coming? Because I was doing a lecture on the supernatural and I promised miracles. Between you and me I can’t heal anyone. But when God shows up, all things are possible. And God showed up. We had the shofar blast by a Messianic Jewish rabbi, cleared out the atmosphere and almost immediately as I started speaking, words of knowledge flowed and I said, “Everyone that received a healing, hold up your hand.” And approximately a thousand of the 1800 people that were there raised their hand. They were instantly healed. Now once these Jewish people were healed, and again, in 40 years of investigating miracles, in a matter of seconds, I have never seen a thousand people physically healed. God must be in a hurry, not just a thousand people. These are unsaved Jewish people. No one is going to exaggerate. If anything, they’ll exaggerate the other way. And then at the end of the meeting I prayed for everyone that wanted a supernatural heart transplant. Just about every one of them stood up and boldly proclaimed Yeshua as their Messiah and Lord, and asked God to give them a new heart, and asked the Messiah of Israel to live inside of them. And then I said King David said, “I lift holy hands to God. Your hands are holy. Lift them to God.” And I was amazed these unsaved Jewish people who had just gotten saved raised both hands. All of them were raising their hands and I prayed for them to be filled with the Holy Spirit. Then they got back on their 33 buses. I might add, we had seven Messianic Jewish congregations partnering with us, bringing the unsaved Jewish people to this event. And on the buses we passed out a brand new booklet called, “Where Do Rabbis Go When They Die?” It is powerful, but they have all the scriptures that I had spoken about and a lot more in this booklet to take home with them. And on the bus home, because we had two workers on every bus, on the bus home, this was the report I got. So many of them were amazed that they were physically healed and they all were saying, “I feel such peace.”


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SID: Do you know God’s kingdom keeps coming. He just topped it. He just topped what you just heard. It’s hard to believe, but there is a television network that covers every home in Israel that has a television, every home, on the basic package, meaning you’ve got my network whether you like it or not. But it also covers the entire Middle East. Can I show you the inside workings of METV, Middle East Television.


[begin video]


Recently, Joel Nori, the president of METV, Middle Eastern Television, took a tour of the offices where the Gospel is broadcast to the countries of Israel and the Middle East.


Joe Nori: As I entered the offices of METV, I was overtaken by the fact that we as a Messianic Jewish ministry were now given the privilege to take this network to the next level, bringing the Gospel to every home in Israel and to the Middle East. With a full staff already in place in these state of the art facilities, we are in preparation to bring new anointed TV programming that will be relevant to the nations where the Gospel once flourished and was disseminated to the world. You are looking at the master control room. I refer to this as command central. This is where the programs are made ready for on-air broadcasts. It demands a team of people who monitor the signal that is transmitted to over 25 nations via satellite, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.


SID: God has made METV, the Middle East Television Network available to us to bring the supernatural of God and the Gospel to both Jewish and Muslims in the Middle East.


Joel Nori: Here you see the dubbing of programs in the languages that the Middle East people can relate to. We will also be able to do live supernatural programming from our Charlotte, North Carolina studio facilities to bring timely messages to a potential audience of over 150 million. From this control room, the broadcast signal of METV and now ISN, the It’s Supernatural Network, are both transmitted from satellite dishes on the roof to 25 nations in the Middle East, Africa and Europe. The Gospel is again being broadcast out to the nations through METV.


Isaiah 2:3: “And many people shall go and say come ye and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob and he will teach us his ways and we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion shall go forth the Law and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem.”


[end video]


SID: Here is my prophetic spin as to what’s going on right now. He started with the Jew to reach the Gentile. The Gentiles have carried the baton. Just before he returns, Jewish people are going to be raised up as fiery presenters of the Good News to the world and there will be an army linked up of one people, one God, one Spirit. I ask you unashamedly send me through Middle East Television. Send me. We’ve distributed three million God-birthed evangelistic, Jewish evangelistic books to mostly Jewish people throughout the world. Send me to do lectures on the supernatural. And there is a day coming, I had a dream about it, maybe you’ve never thought about this before. You’ve heard of Academy Awards night. This is Academy Rewards night. Here is what God says. He says in First Samuel, chapter 30, verse 24, “But as his part is who goes down to battle,” I’m going down to battle, “so shall his part be who stays by the supplies. They shall share alike.” So at Academy Rewards night those that are partnering with me, when the envelope is ripped and it’s pulled out your name is going to be there.

Our Guest Sid Roth

SID: You know, those early days in the former Soviet Union were preparing and equipping me for what has happened since. I started, rather than using Jewish music as the mode of expression, I started doing lectures on the supernatural. I started advertising, “Sid Roth has studied 20 years, the paranormal and he’s coming one night only to Boca Raton, Florida.” I did this all over the world in Jewish communities and many people that would attend these lectures, I advertised, would be healed in their seats. And in those days God started, he just started a miracle that I had never seen anyone do before, and that is Jewish people that have no grid for miracles, so to speak, started getting miracles the minute I started speaking. And then the same results I had in St. Petersburg I started having in any city of the U.S. or any city of the world. You know, Paul understood it when he said the Jew requires a sign. And I think that’s one reason that the church has been crippled in sharing the Good News with Jewish people because we don’t operate in our inheritance. That’s why we have our television show It’s Supernatural. But I want to take you to one of my recent lectures on the supernatural and the lecture happened in one of my favorite cities outside of Israel, of course, Odessa, Ukraine. And in Odessa, we didn’t know it at the time, I just guess I wasn’t thinking, it was scheduled for Halloween night. And in Odessa, there are more witches, and I mean this, per square inch, than almost any city I know of. Well we had our meeting and there was an increase in the miraculous. And I’ll show you something in this segment that even today it’s hard for me to believe it happened. But let me take you into our lecture in the supernatural in Odessa, Ukraine.


[begin video]


In Odessa, Ukraine, on October 31, 2015, where 1000 unsaved Jewish people came, 500 of them testified that they were healed. As a result of witnessing the supernatural of God that day, 990 of the 1000 came to know Yeshua as their Messiah and Lord.


SID: I wish you had been where I was tonight. I’m in Odessa, Ukraine. Every other person in Odessa has Jewish ancestry and we had one of my lectures on the supernatural. I’m speaking to you, I just finished a few minutes ago and I’m in a historic hotel that I’m staying in, and I’ve never seen what happened tonight. You see, unlike a lot of people that have evangelistic meetings, ours is 100 percent Jewish people who do not know Jesus and if I don’t have miracles, because I call it a lecture on the supernatural, I’m in trouble. I spoke for over an hour tonight. One thousand unsaved Ukrainian Jews came to this meeting. I have never, and this is before God, I have never seen so many people raise their hand that they were physically healed. I would venture to say close to 50 percent of the people not just raised their hand, they stood up and they said they were healed. When it came to salvation, it was in the 99 percent range of people that stood up and publicly proclaimed that Jesus is their Messiah and Lord.


[end video]


SID: Okay, that was Ukraine. But what about Israel? What about Israel? I started going meetings in Israel. I did two lectures on the supernatural in Jerusalem. I did a lecture in Ashdod. That’s a city that is 100 percent Jewish. I did a lecture in the Galilee. In fact, over the last two years, over 3000 Israeli Jews have made public professions of faith. I tell you the door is open. But I’m going to show you, when we come back, actual visual footage of the most historic meeting proclaiming Yeshua the Jewish Messiah, in Israel, since the Book of Acts. Would you like to see that? Be right back.

Our Guest Hakeem Collins

SID: Hello. Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest says that prophecy is the doorway into the supernatural and he says we all can prophesy, but it gets even more outrageous. God opened up every one of his spiritual senses, meaning he can see into the invisible world. He can hear from the invisible and he says everyone can have their spiritual senses activated and open. Anyone want it? Me, too. So Dr. Hakeem Collins’ father was a Muslim. What type of Muslim was he?

HAKEEM: He was a Sunni Muslim.

SID: And your mother was a non-believer.


SID: And so obviously like any boy you want to please your father. You tried Islam. It just wasn’t for you. Then you had a praying grandmother who took you to church and at age seven, I mean, it was 30 before I knew my left hand from my right hand, spiritually. Age seven, what happened to you?

HAKEEM: My grandmother introduced me to Christ. She introduced me to a church and brought me there. At the time the pastor was a blind man and while I was sitting there at seven years old on the front row, as the pastor was talking about salvation and the messages of Christ and his love, I began to look, and as I gazed I saw an angel standing behind the pastor. And when the pastor would preach, the more the angel appeared, the more the pastor preached with passion and desire. And so at that time I knew, my eyes were opened. I see something different that I never saw before. After seeing this angel I heard an internal voice say, “I’m calling you.” And at that point I knew that it was Jesus.

SID: That is a very sovereign call. You must have had a problem explaining this to your dad.

HAKEEM: Well yeah.

SID: Understatement, yeah.

HAKEEM: At that moment because of the seeker in me, because of what I’ve experienced at seven, I wanted to have this experience. I wanted to know more about Christ. I wanted to know more about it. And so I was introduced to this book by Pastor Gary Westall [sp]. There was a prayer starter in the back of the book that said if you read this prayer and after the prayer, and you ask the Father for the gift, for the baptism of the Spirit then open your mouth and God will fill your lips with his words. And so that’s what I did. I finished the book. It was a short book. After I finished the book I read the prayer and what happened was after that I was activated into something. I opened my mouth, asked God to fill me with the baptism of the Spirit, and when I opened my mouth I began to, now these baby tongues started falling out. They started coming out and it was like I didn’t understand what I was saying, but it was something unique and something different. The power of God, this was real. This was not something, an act. This was not me playing or joking. This was something supernatural.

SID: Now you, out of the mouth of a child, how long did you pray in tongues at that time, would you say?

HAKEEM: At that time, I think I was on the floor shaking and crying, and speaking in baby tongues. I would use it for about an hour and I’d begin while I was on the floor, I literally saw a portal open up. God gave me a vision and I saw this portal open up, and I saw flashes of light moving back and forth, back and forth, and I knew that something supernatural happened to me. It was not something I initiated, but it was something that God initiated. So this is what God desires in this season for us as believers is like a childlike faith, it’s just to trust and believe, and then we can be activated in the realm of the supernatural. That’s what happened to me.

SID: Okay. I don’t even get this at 12, but three-day fast. Did your mother allow you to do that?

HAKEEM: No. I wouldn’t. I mean, I couldn’t believe I did it. I took the scripture literally. I’m 12 years old. I mean, I didn’t understand much of the scripture, but again, I just took it literally, went in the closet for the first day of fast, no food. I did drink water, but I went in there the first day and what happened when I was praying fervently I felt like there was someone else in the room, in the closet with me. I felt this heat. I felt this presence. It’s almost, it was scary because I didn’t know what was going on. This is new to me. And then I literally felt a hand touch my head and this heat shot through my whole body, and I began to weep and cry. The second day the fast I was weak and I was hungry, but I desired more, so I read the Word. Whenever my stomach started to growl I started reading the Word. I started feeding my spirit. I started just naturally, I didn’t understand, but I started feeding my spirit. The second day of the fast I went in the closet. I wanted that same experience and nothing happened until I started praying. When I began to pray literally with my eyes closed I literally, it looked like someone turned the light on in the room, in the closet, this light came. And then I opened my eyes and I literally saw this being, this figure. It was almost like a translucent being with this rainbow color array. And I began to weep and cry, and the light went out, and it became dark in the room in the closet. The third day I wanted the same experience because I wanted the touch. I wanted the vision. I sought after it, went in there and prayed, and when I was praying I literally heard a voice of my mom say, “Hakeem.” And I was kind of scared because I’m like, why I’m in the closet, maybe I’m getting in trouble because I’m in the closet. And I came out of the room, and out of the closet, and my mother wasn’t there. And I was discouraged, and so I went out later on that day. I went to the basketball court where there’s this field and I began to play, and I began to just enjoy myself, and I literally while I was playing I heard a voice of God, thunder voice, I couldn’t explain how loud it was. It was so thunderous, audible, loud, where I began to duck. I’m looking around. What is that I’m seeing, where it frightened me, where I ran back into my room. I ran back and I hid under the covers. And the Lord said, “Hakeem, Hakeem.” And I began to answer, and he said, “Hakeem, I’m calling you. I’m calling you to a powerful ministry. It is I, Jesus that is calling you.” So this thunder-like voice became now a small voice. Now I knew that it was Jesus calling me, and he said, “I’m going to call you to a powerful ministry.”

SID: Now wherever God shows up the devil tries to mess up. And Hakeem, you were raised in a very rough neighborhood.


SID: And you were arrested.


SID: You were taken to jail. But you heard from God.

HAKEEM: I was running from the call. I knew that the prophetic call was there, but God says, I did not call you to a prison ministry. I called you to a prophetic ministry. He said, I did not call you to be caged. I did not call you to be locked down. I called you to move in freedom and liberty, and move in the Spirit. And that’s where the Spirit of the Lord is. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. And at that place I made a decision to answer the call. I made a decision to say, yes Lord, I will obey your word.

SID: But not only did he make that decision he literally changed. I mean, literally changed. We’ll be right back.

Our Guest Judy Franklin

SID: Well Judy, you went to a meeting with someone that’s been a frequent guest on It’s Supernatural, Randy Clark. You went somewhere. Tell me what happened.

JUDY: Yes. I could feel the Lord’s presence very strongly and I thought well the best thing for me to do is lay down somewhere. So I laid down and Jesus came and said, “Would you like to go somewhere?” I said yes. And off we went and we came to this place and stood there, and a portal opened up, and behind this portal was a beautiful garden, just, it was just beautiful, and it was a big portal. And I started at the side, and I was just looking at everything as I went by, and when I got to that side I saw my dad. Nobody could have ever told me.

SID: The one that told you, you were stupid, the one that rejected you.

JUDY: Yes. Nobody could have told me he was in Heaven. I wouldn’t have believed them. And there he was. And my first reaction was, “You’re here!”

SID: Oh no.

JUDY: And he said, “Yes, I just made it.” Well he knew about the Lord, so and he knew he was dying. So any time he could have accepted Jesus, and obviously he did.

SID: So Judy, you saw your dad and you’re surprised he’s there.

JUDY: Yes.

SID: What happened next?

JUDY: I don’t know why, but I started to turn around and he called my name.

Voice of Judy’s Dad: Judy.

JUDY: And he said.

Voice of Judy’s Dad: I am so sorry. You’re beautiful. I love you very much. I am so proud of you.

JUDY: And then the portal closed.

SID: Had he ever said that to you in your life?

JUDY: Never. Never.

SID: Okay. The portal closes. Then what?

JUDY: I looked over at Jesus and my grandmother was standing beside him. Now I knew she was saved. I knew she lived out her life, the rest of her life for the Lord. And she came over to me, and she just said…

Voice of Judy’s Grandmother: I’m so sorry.

JUDY: And then it was over, and I thought, what a loving God. He could have waited until I died and saw my dad and my grandmother, but he wanted, he wants me, he wants everyone so whole and healed from the inside out that he gave me that experience before I even died to know that my dad loves me. Now I know he’s in Heaven. I know my grandmother is in Heaven. I can’t wait in a sense to see him and talk to him.

SID: Well Judy, you say everyone can go to Heaven and you speak on this, and all over people have these heavenly experiences. Tell me a few.

JUDY: Well there was a boy nine years old. His name was Miles and I went and did a session on a Saturday night at his church, and they all had really nice little trips. And the next morning he went to Sunday school and he asked his teacher, can we go back to Heaven. So she had all the kids lay down and led them the same way I did, and he went to Heaven, and Jesus brought him a piece of pizza. And because he was so allergic to dairy, if he put milk on his skin the skin would peel off, so allergic to fruit, anything acidic at all he just absolutely could not eat. His mother took an Epinephrine pen everywhere they went. He’s been air-flighted out of his city to a bigger city for hospital visits. And he, so he told Jesus, “I can’t eat that. You know I’m allergic.” And he said, “If you eat this I’ll heal you.” So he ate it in this heavenly experience. He goes home and he tells his mom what happened. She goes and gets a bowl of pineapple sherbet.

SID: I don’t know if I’d be brave enough to do it. I mean, he could die.

JUDY: He could.

SID: Because he’s allergic, you told me to the dairy and the pineapple.

JUDY: Yes, both. And she’s a woman of great faith. But she did have her pen ready, that Epinephrine pen ready, and he ate the whole bowl. He was totally healed, totally healed. And then I got an email from the pastor about three months later, and the mother didn’t tell anybody, but the child also had diabetes. And the mother said, “If Jesus healed him of that allergy I know he healed him of the diabetes also.” So she weaned him off the insulin, took him back for the checkup and the doctor says, “I don’t understand this, but he doesn’t have diabetes anymore.”

SID: You know, your faith level just soars when you have an experiential knowledge of God. In every area your faith level soars. But tell me about the person that asked you to bring a note to Heaven.

JUDY: Yes. Our senior associate, Chris Vallatton, it was getting around that I was having these trips and all. So he brought a napkin to me where he had written a note to God. It said, “Dear God, this is your son Chris Vallatton. I need some money. Love Chris.”

SID: He really had faith for you to take it to Heaven.

JUDY: I don’t know if he was teasing me or what, but I’m going, oh Chris. And so that night I’m just with the Father, and the Father said, “Where’s the note?” And I went, and it was in my hand.

SID: But you can’t bring anything to Heaven.

JUDY: You can’t.

SID: So how was it in your hand?

JUDY: I don’t know.

SID: I know you don’t know.

JUDY: So I went and gave it to him. And he started reading it, and he threw back his head and started laughing, and he says, “I love Chris so much. He makes me laugh.” And I thought, do you realize when we do funny things he laughs. That just so tickles me that he can do that. And so after it was over he didn’t say anything except that. But the next week, during the next week somebody gave Chris a thousand dollars. I do not take notes. Do not send me your notes!

SID: I was just going to say, any of you want to give her a note to take to Heaven? Oh I see some hands going up. How about you? I believe that there is going to be great miracles that are going to happen as you pray for people to be free of lies and to experience this heavenly visitation. And it is for everyone. You’re sure?

JUDY: Yes, everyone. Father, I pray right now that everybody out there that’s listening to this.

SID: Can I get in on this?

JUDY: Oh yes.

SID: Okay.

JUDY: Everybody out there and in here would have a real experience with you that would experience your love that as they’re sitting there right now, including that lady that’s sitting on her couch in her living room watching this that’s at the very end of her rope, she reminds me of the cat that’s hanging on, that God is going to touch you right now, all of you, with his peace and with his love. And he’s going to give you an invitation, come up here, just like he did John the Revelator. He’s winking his finger at you saying, “Come up here because I want to love you. More than anything I want to love you. I want you to know my love. I want you to be healed on the inside from all the lies that the enemy has told you that are not true.” Even if you have what you think is evidence that it is true, it’s a lie. You are totally, completely loved by God and right now I just release this on all of you. Amen.

SID: This is the beginning of the rest of your life walking in love.

Our Guest Judy Franklin

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest was such a broken, wounded woman. She spent 50 years, 50 years not knowing that God loved her and most of that time was in church. Then she went to Heaven, was hugged by God, sat in God’s lap and found out that she can teach you how to go to Heaven every time she prays and found out she can teach you how to go to Heaven. Anyone interested? You know, many of you as you grew up, you had imperfect parents. You know why they were so imperfect? They had imperfect parents. But it has to stop somewhere. But Judy, you always felt you never measured up. I think it kind of started with the fact that you had a learning disorder. But in your family, the thing that really, really got you, almost sabotaged you from the beginning is you believed a lie.

JUDY: Yes.

SID: Tell me about that.

JUDY: Well my mother was painting our living room and in the kitchen she left a cup down and it had turpentine in it. And I got up from a nap.

SID: How old were you?

JUDY: Oh about three or four. And I drank the turpentine and almost died. They took me to the hospital, pumped my stomach. But after that my grandmother was taking care of us and she put me on her lap, and she told me.

Voice of Judy’s Grandmother: Your mom left the turpentine on purpose because you’re no good.

SID: Why would she say that?

JUDY: She wanted my father to take me away from my mother so my grandmother could raise me.

SID: So you had to live with that lie.

JUDY: Yes.

SID: And I understand you had so much trauma in your life from the learning disability, the special classes, the fact that you think your mother wanted to kill you, which wasn’t true. But you wrote a letter to Dear Abby. What did you write?

JUDY: I asked her why my dad didn’t like me because he treated me so mean. And it didn’t matter what he did, he just didn’t like me. And I asked her why doesn’t my father love me because I try so hard. And my mother found the letter, and she took it to my dad. I honestly thought he’d say, oh I do, she just does dumb stuff. But instead, he bellowed out.

Voice of Judy’s Dad: Maybe I could love her if she wasn’t so stupid.

SID: Whoa.

JUDY: And that was a maybe if she weren’t so stupid. So I didn’t even have, well if you’re not stupid I could love her, but maybe if she weren’t so stupid I could love her.

SID: So she does what everyone else does. They get married and they think it will be like Hollywood and one of the first things her husband says to her, “Look, I only married you so you could cook for me and you could bear my children.” Just out of curiosity, what affect did that have on you?

JUDY: I gave up. I really thought that if I could get married somebody would love me, but that was kind of like the final straw for me that well nobody could love me and I just thought with the help of the enemy telling me more lies that I was just a person that couldn’t be loved. And there was just something about me that nobody could love me, so I lived like that.

SID: Then she had an encounter with what she calls pure love. Tell me about that encounter.

JUDY: Well we had just gotten back from Toronto and I had an experience there.

SID: By the way, Toronto was having a revival-led time and people that went there were overcome with the Spirit of God, had experiences that were life-changing. So you just came back from this life-changing, did you have an experience there?

JUDY: Oh yes. I was worshiping one night. I had my face up and I heard a voice say, “What are you looking up for? I’m right here.” And I looked down and Jesus was standing in front of me and he had his hands out. So I took his hands and I just kept singing to him, and I put both of his hands in mine and then just was caressing his, and I felt the nail scars. And as soon as I recognized what it was, he leaned forward and said…

Voice of Jesus: You see this? I did this for you.

JUDY: Personally, he did it for me. You know how we can all think, oh yeah, he died for everybody, but he personally did it for me just like he personally does it for everybody. So I had come back to Redding and Benny called me up to share, and I have always been afraid of people, so afraid because I didn’t want them to know I was stupid. So if you don’t talk very much then they can never find out. And so she called me up. There were 800 people in the audience and I was walking up there, and I thought, I’m not scared. I’m not scared at all. And I got up there and they were setting up, and I’m looking at all the people, and I thought, that was really strange. But at that time I was delivered of my fear of man of being in front of people, talking to people. So I got done sharing and I would suppose that it was Bill and Beni praying for me. I don’t really remember, but I was down on the floor. And I thought, well, hmmm, what do I do now? I’m down here on the floor on the stage and they’re going on with the service. And I’m thinking, well do you just sit up? Do you stand up like nothing happened? And then I thought do you roll off? And I thought, oh would I be a holy roller then? So I thought, oh I’ll just sit up, but I couldn’t get up. And then at the end I was just relaxed and I happened to open my eyes, and I saw his Glory. I don’t know how I knew what it was, but I knew it was his Glory and it was the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen in my life. And I kept saying, look, look at it, it’s so beautiful.

SID: Now we read about his Glory in the Bible, but it’s one thing to read about it, the other, I think what you’re saying is it’s an experience.

JUDY: Yes. God doesn’t want you just to read the Word. He wants you to experience the Word. Every time we experience the Word we have more faith. It adds faith to our lives.

SID: So he was holding something in his hand. What?

JUDY: A rock and he was knocking on it, and it started cracking like an egg and it all fell off. And inside the rock was a heart and it started very slowly beating again. And he said, “This is my church and this is what I’m going to do to my church.”

Voice of God: I’m going to take the rock from off its heart and it’s going to come alive again.

SID: Now you had this encounter you told me about with the Glory of God, with the love of God. You became almost a changed person. One day you’re laying across your bed and you see a door. Take it from there.

JUDY: I see this door and it opens about a foot, and something comes out and it lands on me, and I stopped praying and started worshiping God. But I’m thinking this is so strange. I feel so good and I’m worshiping God in a way that I had never talked to him before.

SID: So you had a degree of a breakthrough and this door keeps showing up. And one day the door opens and what happens?

JUDY: I moved into this place. I saw two figures. They were shadowy figures. One I knew was the Father and one was Jesus, and I just talked to them. We talked. I thought I was making it up. I thought somehow in my imagination I was making it up, but in order to imagine anything you kind of have to think of it first and then you run with it and put things in.

SID: Of course.

JUDY: I wasn’t imagining because this all surprised me and every time I’d lay down and start to pray that’s where I would be with them and I’d talk to them.

SID: Tell me about the time that Jesus hugged you.

JUDY: When I see him a lot, he hugs you and he, I can feel his arms around me.

SID: I haven’t had this. You’re provoking me to jealousy. You know, you’re doing what the Bible. The Bible says the gentile is to provoke the Jew to jealousy. Okay, so you’re normal. But tell me, I kind of get a little of it just from you telling me. What is it like for God to hug you? What is it like to feel his love?

JUDY: It’s the best. It took me a while to learn, quite a while to learn that when I go to him and I can sit on his lap any time I want to, and I just take in all of this, and then when it’s over I’m back, and it’s like I’m full of peace.

SID: I have to tell you, as you’re telling me what occurred and occurs quite often I’m feeling that peace come off of you into me. You know what I believe? I believe that in just a little bit I’m going to have you pray for everyone that wants this prayer in our studio audience and watching, and I believe that something tangible is going to happen to them.

JUDY: Yes.

SID: In fact, when we come back I’ll have her pray for you.

Our Guest Ira Kellman


Sid:  I’ve got a Jewish man on the telephone in Tulsa, Oklahoma his name is Ira Kellman. He’s a Jewish man that’s red hot for Jesus talking to another Jewish man that’s red hot for Jesus. Talking about the King of the Jews Jesus the Jewish Messiah, I mean this is such a Jewish program. But guess what, you too can be grafted into the King of the Jews and the blood of the greatest Jew who ever lived will flow through your veins. This week we’re featuring a book called “The Wigglesworth Standard.” Wigglesworth literally believed he heard from God that the last days would have an army of people that would walk in the same power that Wigglesworth walked in. Walk in the same power that Jesus walked in. This end time army I believe when these 37 lost manuscripts, I say lost they were unpublished no one had ever heard of them. This man Peter Madden had studied Wigglesworth and was praying and said “God I believe somewhere there are some lost manuscripts that must be published.” He went to the other part of the world he travelled across the world and was in a guest house that Wigglesworth just happened to be sleeping in many years earlier and they had his unpublished manuscripts. Put it together in a book called “The Wigglesworth Standard.” Let me read you a little bit from one of the testimonies in the book:

The two policemen grabbed Wigglesworth and started pushing him through the crowd. He had arrived in Norway only that morning but word of him had spread before his arrival. Thousands surrounded the Town Hall hoping to get inside but unfortunately not another person could fit. Packed in like sardines the people inside were so tightly squeezed together that no one could have tripped or fallen to the ground.

Having heard the rumors that a man that was able to perform miracles would be there. People had flocked to the hall both far and wide. Many were not Christians but they had come to witness and to seek the healings and other miraculous events that might happen.

With much difficulty the policemen struggled to get Wigglesworth to the front of the hall. As he stood on the platform looking out over the vast crowd he was consumed with such tremendous zeal for the Lord and compassion for the people that he cried out “God give me a message that is different that something might happen here that is different from anything else.” As Wigglesworth began to preach the voice of God inwardly spoke to Him “If you will ask me I will give you every soul.” Had he heard correctly? He continued to preach “If you will ask me I will give you every soul.” He struggled he knew now it was the voice of the Lord but he was slow to respond. Once again the message came “If you believe and ask me I will give you every soul!”   Wigglesworth stopped, every eye was upon him why had he stopped preaching? With his eyes closed he prayed “Alright Lord do it! I ask you please give me every soul.” From every direction a wind seemed to blow. The breath of the Holy Spirit swept over the auditorium from the front to the back. People all over the Town Hall began crying out to God for mercy. Every man, woman, and child became acutely aware of personal sinfulness and unworthiness before this awesome God whom they now were experiencing. As they begged God’s forgiveness Wigglesworth pointed them to Jesus and the way of salvation.

With all of them yielding to Christ God saved every soul just as He spoken to this man who was filled with God.

I want you to be so filled with the Spirit of God. …Ira Kellman when I was reading about that wind I couldn’t help but think that God has instructed you to blow on people and what happens?

Ira:  I’ve been doing it for over 20 years and we’ve had people healed from arthritis, rheumatism…

Sid:  How did you even start doing that? I mean I see people doing it today but 20 years ago that took chutzpah that took nerve to do.

Ira:  Well you know when I got on fire I got on fire and I just did whatever the Lord told me to do (laughing). You know Wigglesworth at times God told him to punch people in the stomach who had tumors and he did it and the tumors dissolved. So I learned a lot of boldness from Wigglesworth…

Sid:  Tell me about what’s happened to people when you do this.

Ira:  People have come out of comas, I’ve prayed for people on the telephone they come out of comas, people have been healed of arthritis, rheumatism, depression, cancer, of blood diseases, eye problems, ear problems just all sorts of everything. They get refreshing, they get peace, they get joy, they get strength, you know the Bible says the wind of God moves and the breath of God you know Jesus… God breathed the breath of life into man. Jesus breathed on His disciples and said “Receive the Holy Ghost.” You know it’s in the word but you have to have a special anointing. By God’s grace he gave me that special anointing. Every day I’m blowing on somebody, I even blow on my cats and they get blessed. I go to restaurants with my friends and somebody’s going through a hard time you know they’re depressed or worn out I blow on them and (snaps his finger) just within a minute less than a minute they are refreshed, they are renewed, they have got the joy of the Lord…

Sid:  You know what it is, I believe there’s a spirit of oppression and when the wind of God’s Spirit comes in contact with the spirit of depression and oppression…

Ira:  That’s right.

Sid:  …something has to move and it’s not God (laughing).

Ira:  God moves the oppression, depression, and confusion and I see so many people healed from broken hearts just by blowing on people. Right now somebody needs healing in their left arm where the crease in your left arm whatever the problem is I curse it in the name of Jesus. I loose healing to you right now in the name of Jesus in that left arm and the crease of the arm right now in Jesus name.

Sid:  Ira I want you to… I’m going to ask you to blow in the supernatural… will people experience the wind of God coming on them?

Ira:  They’ll experience it because it’s supernatural and God will come through the telephone, He’ll come through the radio stations, everywhere this is played and people get touched and healed as this is played yes. Because you know why? People listen to my tapes from 15-20 years ago the anointing is on it, people still get healed listening to my tapes from 15-20 years ago because the anointing is still on it.

Sid:  Have you ever seen the glory cloud come into your meetings?Do you ev

Ira:  Oh I see it all the time! I have glory clouds in every meeting literally really.

Sid:  I’m believing a glory cloud is coming right out of the radio now into the rooms…

Ira:  Right.

Sid:  …into the cars, wherever you are into the kitchen right now. People are being healed of backs and spines in particular are being supernaturally healed. Ira I want you to blow on people and oppression and depression, and illnesses, and demons they must scatter in the name of Jesus and the breath of the spirit of God do that now.

Ira:  Father in the name of Jesus of Nazareth Lord I come before you and God you are the anointed one and Lord I ask you to move upon the people right now. Father by your wind and by your healing power to heal people from oppression and depression, confusion and suicide, and Father the people with lung problems and heart problems to be healed right now, and Father I ask you to give the people a hunger and thirst after righteousness. Give them a strong heart to seek You to understand You Father move by Your wind right now (sound of wind blasting) in the name of Jesus the wind of God to move and to bring healing, and peace and joy, and freedom. Negative forces and principalities and powers be broken off of people and the presence of God to come into their homes, and to come into their cars to come into wherever they are listening on the radio right now for them to feel the tangible presence of God because there it is (sound of wind blasting) in the name of Jesus Lord we thank you. Set the people free fill their hearts with love and peace and joy. Healings to their bodies from all sicknesses and disease Father in the name of Jesus. Now for that left leg to be totally healed too there Father. That person with gangrene Father and that leg to be totally healed in Jesus’ name. Lord your presence to saturate the people that their bodies are just tingling from Your power, Your anointing Father in Jesus’ name.

Sid:  I’ll tell you something I want this week’s sharing on cassette just to listen to the wind of the Spirit of God as Ira blows. Ira what is God showing you that will be happening in the near future in the United States?

Ira:  Well God’s going to be doing a lot of reviving in His people and a lot of setting people straight down the narrow road. He’s going to give people a new strength and a new heart to walk uprightly.

Sid:  How about Israel, what do you see happening?

Ira:  Oh I pray for Israel every day you know. God has to do miracles of protection there of course because there’s so many enemies against them. God’s going to deliver them from a lot of these attacks that you know the Hezbollah being trained by the Iranian you know the revolutionary guard. You know you have enemies to the right and left of them, God’s going to do some miracles there. So I think some people there are going to get their eyes opened to see when God moves for Israel.

Sid:  I believe not only is that going to happen but I believe just as there is going to be a revival in the United States there is going to be a revival in Israel. Before Jesus returns the word of the Lord will go out from Zion with Jewish people that are red hot for Jesus. I see that Ira.

Ira:  I believe that yes definitely. I was just in Israel and I’m going back again here and we had so many miracles there. I was ministering to a lot of people from Africa, and Ethiopian Jews too, my first time I ministered to Ethiopian Jews, and they’re getting healings and miracles, and peace and love and joy. They just love the Lord they’re hungry.