SID: My guest Bruce Malone is a scientist. He was with Dow Chemical for 30 years. He was one of the top 100 inventors. He had 18 inventions that raised millions of dollars. But taking you back when you were in college, you told me God was irrelevant to you. But you had a deadly virus and because of this deadly virus you came to your senses and became a believer in Messiah. But what I want him to tell you, as a scientist that could not possibly believe in creationism, that could not possibly believe that there was a worldwide flood, he goes to church shortly thereafter and he hears a lecture by a creationist. What effect did it have on you?
BRUCE: Well it shook my entire view of reality. I mean, everything I had been taught is this earth is billions of years old. And yet, this speaker was showing how fossils could not possibly billions of years old. And the more I studied, the more I realized that’s true. I mean, if you think about a fossil, it’s a dead animal caught in a rock layer. And yet, a fish that dies in your aquarium, it doesn’t turn into a fossil. It doesn’t fossilize. It’s just eaten up and deteriorates, and turns into food for other animals.
SID: So what makes a fossil?
BRUCE: In order to make a fossil, you have to have something die and be buried very deeply and very rapidly, and then lots of water flush through the rock layers as the sediment is turned into rock. And yet, there are billions of dead things turned into fossils in rock layers covering this entire planet. It’s testimony that this entire globe has been deluged by an incredible flood in the fairly recent past.
SID: And what effect did that have on you?
BRUCE: Well I realize what I had been told about world history couldn’t possibly be true because the very rocks themselves don’t match the characteristics of these huge time periods.
SID: But you also found out that this whole thing you believe, this theory of evolution, was false. Tell me one of the major reasons.
BRUCE: Well I’ll give you two major reasons. When you go to the bottom of these rock layers that were laid down under water, they were all laid down under water, you find enormous gaps between every very different kind of creature. You’ll find single cell organisms and starfish with nothing in between. How do you do that? How do you go from a single cell to a starfish and leave nothing in between? It’s like it was created. There are starfish and lobsters, and coral, and different kinds of animals, very different from each other with enormous gaps. Second, we have very recently been discovering dinosaur bones that have totally unfossilized soft, stretchy tissue inside the bones. Now Sid, think about this. If your grandfather’s dog died and he buried it in his backyard and you came back 50 years later and dug in that spot, would you find any bones left, any soft tissue left? No, you wouldn’t.
SID: It would all be decayed.
BRUCE: All things that used to be alive totally decay. They turn back into molecules that totally disappear. No fossils are tissue that have turned into rock. But inside of that rock we find soft tissue. It can’t be there unless those bones were buried very recently. And we have found dozens of these dinosaur bones with soft tissue in Montana, in Siberia, over in Europe, around the world still with soft tissue inside of them.
SID: So where did we get the earth is a million, a billion years old, or whatever?
BRUCE: Well you have to realize what’s going on in science. There are only two possibilities to explain everything. I mean, pretend the entire earth is represented by this puzzle, this box.
BRUCE: Either the puzzle made itself—either all the pieces, which are like the animals we find all over the earth, made themselves—or something outside of this box made the box. Science has been defined as only allowing natural processes.
SID: So what you’re saying to me is, you’re telling me over a billion years that I could throw these pieces like this and they’ll all make themselves into a puzzle. You got more faith than I got.
BRUCE: Exactly. That’s the way science operates. Let’s just pretend it made itself. But I’m telling you, the laws of science show us it couldn’t have made itself. And the evidence from the rock layers say they were laid down rapidly.
SID: I’m going to tell you something. The evidence that he has, it’s irrefutable. I want you to think for yourself. We’re going to come back and you’re going to find out something that is as ridiculous as these pieces of a puzzle making themselves.
Sid: I tell you had you been with me, it’s actually last month but it’s really because we go a month delayed, but it was really I just got off the plane yesterday; I just got off the plane from Israel I was there for the Feast of Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. What I saw with my eyes, I mean I thought I had seen it all, but I didn’t see anything. There was a New Age festival it was called “Breishit,” which is Hebrew for “Genesis” the beginnings. I have never seen so many witches, and demon worshippers, and Satanist, and Kabbalist, and New Age of every variety and stripe and so much debauchery of people walking around. I mean when I was speaking there were several young men in the water, this was at the Sea of Galilee right behind the stage was the Sea of Galilee, and they were having fun. They were swimming, but the only problem is they didn’t have any clothes on, and that was the backdrop to me speaking. I have on the telephone Pastor Salina Covington, and I’m speaking to her at her church in Youngstown, Ohio. She’s at her church which is called “The Place Where the Lord Provides.” I had a team with me of wonderfully anointed men and women that move in extraordinary power and miracles. I tell you, I anticipated something, but I had something very different. Now the second day when I spoke it was beautiful outside, and there were a lot of unsaved people gathered to hear me speak. We had passed out flyers that said “Lecture on the Supernatural – Many people are healed that attend this lecture.” I knew that with all the satanic power going on I had to be as bold as I possibly could. So I came out on the platform and I started out by talking about Elijah who was taking on the prophets of Baal. He said “Will the real God answer by fire” and I guarantee you you are going to see miracles. I mean you can’t get any bolder than that can you Salina?
Salina: No you definitely cannot.
Sid: So tell me what you observed with your eyes going on while I was speaking.
Salina: We did damage to the kingdom of darkness, without a doubt. I saw the hand of God in motion working to free His people, calling them out of darkness into the marvelous truth, the Light, which is in Christ Jesus. Now you got to picture everything that is going on…
Sid: Of course this in Israel at the Sea of Galilee. It’s a beautiful day.
Salina: There’s all kind of witches. The atmosphere is so charged with evil it could choke you if you didn’t have the Spirit of God alive in your life. Now you’re up there speaking, you’re being as dynamic as I’ve ever seen you preach before. You’re being effective, I mean there’s tears in people’s eyes as they listen, but all the while there’s another seen going on. I took a look to the left, to the right I was standing in the back to the right, your left, and here’s this young man that’s drinking beer while you’re speaking; others were smoking cigarettes, I could a whiff of drugs being smoked in the air. Then there was this group of kids sitting like maybe 5 feet from me and they were like huddled together all touching laying. This one girl was doing some really sexual things you know, I’m thinking “I’ve got to stop her.” The Spirit of the Lord said “Be still I Am the Lord thy God.” Then when the anointing fell they all sat up, they pushed these, they pushed each other away so that they could have some space and they began to listen to you; you didn’t even know any of this was going on. The very ones who had been so disrespectful and vulgar they’re the ones who at the time when you said “Does anybody need a miracle they came with tears in their eyes to accept Jesus our Messiah. They moved the quickest they were the ones that moved out. This one particular young man he came to me. I had made my way to the outside of the tent, so many people came up to me I’d backed away to give room. He came up to me and he said “I need a miracle. I want my mother and my family, and my father, I want them to live a long time. I want them to be healed and I love them.” I said “Do you love them enough to stop partying?” He looked at me and said “Stop partying?” I said “Yes God can heal them. We can be right here and God can heal your mom and dad wherever they are. Your mother’s blood pressure…” he told it was his mother’s blood pressure, and his father had some kind of problems with his hands. I said “God can do that while we’re right here, but are you willing to give your life to the Lord and stop all this stuff you’re doing?” They hadn’t 5-10 minutes when smoking and doing all this sex stuff, and snickering and giggling while you were trying to preach. So he thought about it and he said “Yeah, yeah” it was almost like “Okay if you can really do that and make me know you can do that I’ll give my life to Yeshua.” I looked in eyes, I took my sunglasses off, and he didn’t have any sunglasses on, and I just looked at him in the eye and as I looked in his eye I could see what was going on in his life. God gave me a beautiful word of knowledge for him, and he knew it was and he stood there and he teared up and he began to cry. Then I told him about his sister who he had no told me about who had some kind of illness that say she is going to die. I am not sure if it was some kind of childhood infirmity, I don’t know. He was so amazed at the power of God until he gave his life to the Lord. When we left there he was sitting down back on the floor of the tent and he had all these guys around him except this time they weren’t doing the sexual stuff, and the drinking beer, and smoking cigarettes; he had a Bible opened up and he had little bitty table there and he was sort like… I could tell he was telling them everything that I had said to him. He was showing them the portion of scripture in the Bible I had showed him. He’s literally sitting there preaching the word of God to them, even as I had preached it to him, but he was in your meeting Sid there to be a distraction, and to be a mockery to God.
Sid: I’m gonna tell you something, I believe these young Israelis are the most beautiful people on the face of this earth; to see how low they have put themselves to see how they’ve destroyed their body with tattoos and so many… I mean I see someone with an earring in their ear, that’s not what I’m talking about, I’m talking about totally distorting their body, piercings beyond imagination.
Salina: [Laughing] To me they were pierced, they were pierced all over, and tattoos was everywhere. I mean they were pierced…
Sid: But you know what I’m never gonna forget ever ever ever Salina. Is one of the people on our tour, it wasn’t even a tour it was just believers going to minister in the Land. One of the people with us, Lance Wallnau, who’s been my guest on the Messianic Vision, he had a step-sister who’s Israeli that is not a believer. She had her grandchildren there, and there was one grandchild in particular he was autistic, he couldn’t speak for anything just a young kid. So we were all laying our hands and praying for him, and I happened to notice that he is holding on for all he’s worth to your hands.
Salina: He would not let go.
Sid: Now take it from there.
Salina: I couldn’t make this young boy let go. His momma had said he had not spoken a cognitive complex sentence ever in his life; he had been talking like he was maybe a year old, and he was like 9, 7, 8, 9 something like that. As I looked in his eyes we just made contact and I knew the Spirit of God was moving to heal this baby, give him a miracle, and that autism was gonna have to go. Then I asked him “Would you let me hug you?” and he didn’t say no so I reached and I hugged him. I held onto him, and he just held onto me. He wanted… I literally felt the spirit of God go through our hands, I felt it. He looked at me, he looked up at me with question in his eye like “What is this, but I like it?” He wanted one of his brothers to experience it. So he was trying to take his brother’s hand to put in my hand, but his brother, you know little kids they have to know you if you’re a strange person before they’ll come to you, so I didn’t let that bother me. Then he took my hand back again and he just followed me wherever I went he was just there holding my hand. They had to go, and so then the mom she hugged and said goodbye. She come running back after she go to the car and she said “You got to know he spoke a sentence.” I said “What?” I said “Doesn’t he speak?” She said “Maybe one or two words, but it’s not a sentence.” She said “He spoke a sentence. He said to me ‘Mommy what the lady is doing for us is a good thing.’”
Sid: These were unsaved Jewish people.
Salina: Yes. So then they let me pray with the grandmother and pray with the daughter, okay. Sid I’m on my way back to Israel to minister to that family, and out of this has come another work, out of this has come for me… I am so blessed, I am gonna be so wiped out, but I am so blessed to know that God has called me to a work there in Israel. I’m gonna be starting up a fellowship Jehovah Jireh. It’s gonna be Jehova Jireh…
Sid: Now give me a break Mishpochah. Don’t you say you can’t do something, Salina is African American, she is female, she is not Jewish and God’s gonna use her. It reminds me of a Jewish rabbi by the name of Saul of Tarsus, and who did God direct this educated rabbit to? The Gentiles, I mean I would have directed him to the religious Jewish people. No he was the apostle to the Gentiles and God’s gonna use you Salina. You know Mishpochah God wants to use you.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is red hot for Messiah; he knows too much to be anything but red hot for the Messiah. His name of Bob Larson; I’m speaking to him at his office at Phoenix, Arizona and I’m interviewing him on his latest book it’s called “Larson’s Book of World Religions an Alternative Spirituality.” I am amazed at two things. Number one how many there are and it’s in alphabetical order and number two how simple he has made this to explain what they believe and why it’s umbilical. So when you have a friend that said “Oh, I just got involved with Kabbalah” I mean movie stars are into Kabbalah. Bob Larson what would they find out if they read your book of Kabbalah?
Bob: Well, they would find out that it’s just… the Kabbalah as it’s taught today by the branches the movie stars are into is just warmed over New Age occultism that embodies all types of looking for the inner spiritual, self-reincarnation, talking to the dead. They would be very surprised to see it that has nothing to do with Judaism.
Sid: No and you know that was the amazing thing when I did my research on Kabbalah and read what you had to say in your book. It’s not even a Jewish thing it’s some man said he found some ancient manuscripts that were Jewish of a famous Rabbi. Well that’s a bunch of garbage that’s almost like the story of Mormonism.
Bob: Yeah and they carry it a step further because they believe in all types of superstition and you see Madonna, Britney Spears, Demi Moore and these are the people running around with these colored string bracelets. I mean they’ve made millions off those things, it’s just a piece of string but it wards off the evil eye. There is nowhere in Judaism that it’s taught and that’s occultism clearly renounced in the Old Testament.
Sid: Speaking of occultism, speaking of things that are renounced in the scriptures we were talking yesterday about the movie Star Wars which is becoming almost become a cult type of thing. As a matter of fact you point out there was actually a survey done of the citizens of Great Britain and for the number one religion it wasn’t Catholicism, it wasn’t an Anglicism, it was The Force.
Sid: What would happen if we had such a survey in the United States?
Bob: I dare say if you surveyed young people and you ask them “Is the concept of The Force more of a guiding tool spiritually in your life than organized Christianity?” I know what the answer would be.
Sid: I have a quote the you researched of George Lucas and his quote says “Christ is one of a long long long line of heroes who don’t have fathers. a lot of Greek gods came down and impregnated mortal women.”
Bob: That’s right.
Sid: You see how he’s trying to water down Jesus.
Bob: Well, I’ll add to that quote here and I’ll add directly what else he said. “Whether it’s Hindu, Chinese, or Middle Eastern all the mythological heroes didn’t have fathers. They’re fathers were gods.” Then he goes on to say and this is rather interesting, “There’s a powerful idea in Buddhism is that life is in the breath. The road to the force if through the breath, that’s the theme too.” So admits he’s encompassing Buddhism and this whole idea of the force he’s tied back to the breath. Now this is what you get in Yoga where it’s called Prana, vital breath is another concept, or key or chi; the idea that energy or breath is something that you can soak up breathe in from the world around you. Well you and I both know that what people are getting in touch with is occult demonic forces when they do that. That is not how we receive God or Jesus Christ, it’s through faith.
Sid: Bob, I have to tell you a story about myself and this was over 30 years ago I came from a traditional Jewish background. I figured I had my religious base covered and I got into something called Silva Mind Control.
Bob: Oh, boy.
Sid: And I started but I found out I got more than I bargained for it started growing and they didn’t know how to protect themselves back then and so they’ve made it more squeaky clean today. But back then they would teach you to invite a counselor or an imaginary friend inside of you. Unfortunately these imaginary friends became real and that’s what happened to me. And some Christians finally, after I almost died literally, got a hold of me and they said “Sid in your own Tenach, in your own Jewish scriptures, God calls what you’re involved in an abomination.” Bob Larson, I have to tell you that when I read Deuteronomy 18 it put the fear of God inside of me. And I don’t know why I was never taught that in an Orthodox Synagogue; I don’t know why most Christians aren’t taught that if they were they might not get involved in things like Star Wars and Harry Potter. I wonder if you would teach a little from Deuteronomy 18.
Bob: Well, I honestly believe that one of the major spiritual forces attacking the Jewish community is the spirit of abominations, and it is that spirit which consistently draws the Jewish people away to false religions and the Holy Scriptures. In Deuteronomy the 18 chapter there are listed what I call 9 covenants of the occult.
Sid: You know the New Testament says about the Jewish people that “We have a zeal for God but not according to knowledge.” And because most Christians are not sharing with Gentiles, let alone Jewish people, and most Jewish people turn off a Christian by saying “I’m Jewish, I’m not interested.” That’s the end of the discussion. The first thing that has power whether it’s God or the devil that comes down the pike we latch on to.
Bob: That’s right, that’s right. Right back in Deuteronomy 18 are all the forms of the New Age, the occult and the false religions and its Genesis. And they may have variations but they are basically 9 areas God says don’t tough. Human sacrifice and purification, seeking the future through nonsense remains like deviation, observing times, planets, eclipse and stars the moons astrology excreta. Analyzing omens or divination, whether it’s rooms like Harry Potter serpents, entrails whatever; also witchcraft and sorcery. Then the sixth area is one who charms or cast spells the cemetery has to do with necromancy, consulting familiar spirits. Then the eight theory has to do with spiritualism the belief that there are unseen forces in nature. And then finally very specifically the ninth one listed goes back to what it referenced earlier, but it’s specifically condemns psychics calling upon the dead or seeking to speak with the departed. So you know the devil doesn’t come up with anything new this stuff has been around for thousands of years and he just keeps repeating the same old tricks over and over and over.
Sid: You know what I find interesting going back to that 18th Chapter of the Book of Deuteronomy which listed all these things that God Himself calls abominations. In that same Chapter it talks about one who will come from the Jewish people that will be greater than Moses. Where as we did not listen to Moses we must listen to this one and it’s talking about the Messiah the Yeshua or Jesus. Right in the same Chapter with the abominations isn’t that interesting.
Bob: It is and that’s why the Jewish people in the Old Testament and unto this day continue to have this interest in spirituality, but turn to abominations.
Sid: Hey hey listen it’s not just us Jewish people let me tell you when I was involved in that Silva Mind Control there were nuns and priests and religious people and crosses. Whether you’re Jewish or Gentile it seems Bob as though people don’t know the difference anymore.
Bob: Well they don’t. It’s this religious syncretism that we have in society; we have lost the idea of the exclusive nature of the Judeo-Christian faith of being one God worshiping one God and Him alone being as Isaiah 43 talks “The God that all that is and that it there is no other God beside Me.” People today they want to make it up on their own and they want to borrow from a lot of different religious traditions which is what the Jews of the Old Testament are doing. They would get to the Canaanites and the Amorites whoever else “ites” keep borrowing bites and pieces and mixing it in with the true faith.
Sid: It sounds like the New Age to me.
Bob: It is the New Age and that is the definition of the New Age Movement this syncretism, as it’s referred to, of taking what you wish and adding it into a potpourri of spirituality. Of course the danger of that is that you lose ultimate truth.
Sid: One of the things that I appreciate about your ministry Bob is that you’re not shy about the deliverance ministry. Out of curiosity, very briefly, how did you find out about its reality?
Bob: I found out about it when as a young man as a new Christian I traveled the world and investigated other religions and witnessed a number of very demonic rituals and ceremonies in which there was not subtlety to it but it was out in the open. I came to America and then I said “Lord show me where this is in America.” And people started coming to me; I made myself available and people would walk up under very ordinary circumstances start telling me their troubles and problems and it was not uncommon for a voice to take over. Another voice would say “Leave them alone they belong to me, stop talking to them you can’t have them.” And early on in my ministry I had to make a choice how I was going to treat that as a mental illness or something that was too spooky to deal with or take it head on. I chose to take it head on and I still take it head on.
Sid: You know with all of these different religions and cults and occult groups that are out there you have to understand concepts more than even names today because the names keep changing.
Sid: I have on the telephone Lance Lambert who has lived in Israel since 1973, and I see Lance as one of my favorite prophetic teachers. I got a hold of some of his teaching called Middle East Update, and just the most amazing things. On the last couple of days we have been talking about the misjudgment of Great Britain and the repercussion that occurred in reference to them coming against the Jew in Israel. They literally went from leading the world to being on the bottom of the pack. Lance and I both believer according to the word of God, he quoted from Joel 3 that said “In the last days God will judge nations based on one major sin, and that is” and says specifically “dividing up the land.” There could be people listening to us right now, but that’s Old Covenant, of course you have to understand what is called the Old Covenant, or the Jewish Scriptures was the ONLY Bible the first church had. The New Covenant hadn’t been put into a nice book like we have it today. What did Jesus have to say about this? Well He said the same thing in the 25th chapter of Matthew Jesus said “That nations would either be goat nations or sheep nations based on one sin” and it says “as you have done unto the least of these My brethren.” In the Greek the brethren means “from the womb” in other words, physical brethren. Jesus hadn’t died and rose from the dead, He wasn’t talking about believers He was talking about physical Jews. “…as you have done unto the least of the physical Jews, you have done unto Me.” That’s what’s going to make the difference between a goat nation or a sheep nation. Again, a goat nation has a mind of its own against God, and a sheep nation follows the shepherd. Now Lance I would you to paint me a picture if the United States continues on its Haman course, and that’s the word I have to use, and continues to force Israel to give up more and more land because they want the land. Pain me a picture of what might happen shortly to the United States of America.
Lance: Well I can only say Sid that when the Lord spoke to me in the Philippines I was at the International Intercessors Leaders Conference there. I had a very troubled night, and I knew the Lord was going to say something. Finally I uttered a word but in it the Lord said “I have risen with fury. Don’t ask me now to stop because I’m going to judge nation after nation because of what they are doing to Israel.” Then the Lord said “I will judge them by fire, by flood, by eruptions, by earthquakes,” then He went on to say “I will touch them where it hurts the most, I will destroy their economies.” Now my feeling is, that’s only part of what that prophecy was, my feeling Sid is that things cannot go on like they are with these hurricanes, and floods, and fires. We used to think of the fire recently in California as national disaster, now it’s almost taken place on the back burner because of things like Katrina, and things like Rita and so on. Now if that’s just a picture of what’s going to happen I don’t think economically things can get any better because of the amount of money that’s going to have to flow out trying to restore and rebuild like everything else. I feel that once the Lord becomes an enemy of a nation it’s the end.
Sid: I want you talk just a little bit to those that love God, are born again Christians, but feel that the church gets all the blessings that were promised to Israel and the Jewish people, and Israel and the Jewish people get all the curses under the New Covenant. What would you say to them?
Lance: I think it’s nonsense. I think you cannot take the blessings for one and leave the curses to the other. The thing is that the blessings and the curses belong to both. I mean if the church misbehaves, and she is, I mean when I know of one evangelical leader in the states recently saying “That God is torturer, if He really had His son crucified for our sins then He’s a torturer.” Then there’s another one in Britain just recently said, we’re talking about evangelicals, said “If Jesus died for the punishment of our sins, then God is a child abuser.” I think this is absolutely shocking, this can only bring judgment upon those churches, assemblies, or whatever who say such things. The word of God is very clear, of course they probably look upon the Old Testament as inferior, but Isaiah 53 says “That it pleased God to bruise Him.” Now in the Hebrew that word bruise is actually crush or shatter Him. That’s how much God loved you and me Sid, and how much Jesus loved us that He was prepared to die in our place.
Sid: You know Lance you mentioned this on an earlier broadcast, but I feel like I have to bring this out again. In Psalm 105 is pretty much a summary of God’s position on who should be in the land of Israel. It talks about His covenant with the Jewish people and it describes it in 3 different fashions. It uses the word: forever, then it uses the word everlasting, and then it says a thousand generations. Now I’ve always been told if God says something 2 times you better pay attention. This is 3 times in one Psalm that He is giving the land forever, everlasting, a thousand generations to the physical Jewish people. I mean how can anyone anywhere say “That’s not what God meant.”
Lance: Well a thousand generations, if we take the Jewish reckoning of 40 years it’s 40, 000 years, it’s ridiculous. It just means God is using human language to say that something is eternal and everlasting. [Laughing] Then there’s something else too, people are always coming to me and saying “Yes but the children of Ishmael are also the children of Abraham, the seed of Abraham,” but if God made a pact with Ishmael that he had absolutely kept precisely to this very day they would have become great nations, they would have become wealthy, and many other things. It’s not a mistake that they have so much of the oil and with it the wealth of the world in their hands. It’s God keeping a covenant that He made with Ishmael. Now the interesting thing is that when God made this covenant with the land it was through Abraham’s seed through Isaac not Ishmael, and through Jacob and not Esau. That’s what comes out of that Psalm 105, He says He confirmed it to Isaac, and confirmed it to Jacob. So that put’s very clearly that this is a pact that God made with our forefathers and which we feel thousands of years ago, and therefore think of it as antique. God doesn’t think of it as antique, as far as God is concerned He made it just now. So any president of the United… it sounds very mean of me to put it this way, but it doesn’t matter if he’s a believer and he reads his Bible, but if he thinks that he can contradict God almighty in a pact that He has made, he is on a collision course and the nation he leads is on a collision course with God.
Sid: Use your prophetic sanctified imagination right now, if we do not back down from a two-state solution paint me a picture of what could shortly happen to the United States of America.
Lance: Well I’m pretty sure that if the disasters that have overtaken her with increasing… just following one after the other. I think it’s going to get worse and worse till it’s catastrophic. You know it’s very interesting we all think of poor old Pharaoh and God hardening his heart, we think of him as an utterly evil man, he was highly educated, highly sophisticated man leading one of the superpowers of the day. He couldn’t let the Jews go because there were a million at least of slaves…
Sid: It’s almost the vice that the United States of America is, “We can’t support Israel and a one-state solution because we need the oil.”
Lance: Well yes and it’s not just the oil it’s just the whole approval of the world, and the money of the world as well. I mean it’s a big thing. Your State Department see’s it purely only from a human point of view they obviously don’t see it in Biblical terms.
Sid: Lance we’re out of time…
Sid: I’ll tell you what we’re seeing this happen more and more; as a matter of fact I have never lived in a lime in my entire walk in the Lord which has been over 40 years now in which I’ve seen so many Bible signs coming into place. But top it off with a dream I had recently in which Jesus said He’s coming back soon. And I want you to know that if He’s coming back soon if He says that He is. Now Paul McGuire is a man that God has handpicked from an intellectual viewpoint to understand the last days but from a prophetic view point to understand the last days. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that he’s trying to get away from crazy Christians but they prophesy over him they said “Well the people that pick you up they’re are going to be Christian.” Well, he’s in the middle of nowhere this isn’t going to happen, so what’s the first ride he catches a Pentecostal Minister. And then the second ride he catches a Bible salesman filled with big thick Black Bibles throughout his entire car. So he asked you if you want to be born again you’re afraid you’re from New York you’re afraid you’re in the middle of cornfields and what’s this guy going to do to you. So what did you say when he says “Do you want to receive Jesus?”
Paul: So Sid what happen is I thought “Oh, he’s going to chop… literally thought he’s going to chop my head off bury me in the bushes and pray a prayer over me.”
Sid: At least you’ll have a Bible go ahead. (Laughing)
Paul: Yeah right and so we pull off on the side of the road and it’s a real short prayer. He says “Repeat after me,” I do it. And the prayer was simply “Lord Jesus Christ,” which I said out loud “I come to You now I ask that You forgive me of my sins; I confess that I’m a sinner God. And Jesus I invite You into my life to make me born again.” And that was the prayer. And I felt nothing, okay absolutely nothing. So he drives me back to the campus I go out and get drunk which is my normal habit at the evening at the campus. And then the next morning really early these Christian’s who were witnessing to me rang the doorbell especially the girl that I thought was cute. So we end up in the center of the campus with these giant Roman columns, and I share what happened to me hitchhiking and as I’m talking to my Christian friends a girl that I had never seen before was sitting there over listening to our conversation. She walks up to us and then looks at me; we didn’t know who she was and she looks at me and she says “You know I was sitting here listening to you talk asking me myself the question “Is God real, does He exist.” And then she looks at me and said “I’m a ministers daughter but I don’t know if I believe in God.” And then she says to me and she looks at me pointblank in the eyes and she says “Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?” For some strange reason I blurted out the words that I’ve never said in my entire life I said “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” When I said that it was literally as if the sky cracked open and I saw God, not in a physical sense but in a spiritual sense. In that moment it was a revolutionary overwhelming experience; in that moment I knew that all the New Age stuff, astral-states, altered states of conscientiousness; communicating with spirit guides, seeing the great white light, astral-projection, all the studies and gurus and meditation at that moment I knew that it was all false and only Christ was God. And that revolutionized my life and set me on the journey that I’m on today.
Sid: You know Paul there’s some that can’t comprehend that, but I can comprehend that because the same thing happened to me. Instantly I knew everything about Jesus was true. I knew the Bible was true, and as a Jew an Orthodox Jew for that matter there’s no way and I never understood how did I know all this stuff? But now I understand; I want to fast forward a little bit you’re at a Christian coffee house in Time Square in New York called “The Lambs Club,” and you have another encounter that’s preparing you for your future.
Paul: Yeah, well for all these years I was in the New Age movement and communicating with spirit guides I didn’t realize when I started this stuff that I was opening doors in another dimension, or the invisible realm, or spiritual realm or whatever you want to call it, to demonic beings and entities. I didn’t understand that I was ignorant back then but I was through these occult practices; so even though I was saved I was still being harassed by spirits. And you know not Casper the friendly ghost or anything like that, but these presences that would attack me. I mean on one hand I was very sane and rational but these where things that were going on privately in my mind. So the minister of this church on Times Square ask me if I would like to be baptize in the Holy Spirit? And then he told me to meet him in the church library in about four days and told me to fast and pray and meditate on some scriptures which I did. Then I meet him in the library and he places his hand on my head and he begins to pray for me. The next thing I know I fell the power of God flooding through my being with such force that I’ve never felt this before in my entire life. And it was as if the room disappeared and I saw myself, in the spiritual realm, I saw the feet of Jesus Christ wearing sandals. And I briefly looked into His eyes and I saw the most pure being that I’d ever seen in my life before the Messiah. But I didn’t know what to do and so I wasn’t trying to be religious all I could do was start to sob and cry, and my tears fell at His feet. And as that happened I felt this indescribable love flood my being and the power of God and the love of God supernaturally flowed through me with such power and force that I began to sob. Then I opened my eyes and I looked into the minister’s eyes and he said “Paul did God baptize you in the Holy Spirit?” And I said “Yes He did.” At that moment the Lord, Yeshua, set my heart on fire with the flame and that flame over 35 years ago has never ceased to burn Sid even to this day.
Sid: Well, speaking of a flame God his made you a prophet you know things that are going to happen in the future and you’ve actually been called by God to warn believer’s about what you see. Tell me some of the things you’ve seen.
Paul: Well the Lord has lead me to go into areas of research supernaturally by the Holy Spirit. In other words, He’ll lead me to go and read extensively and study extensively things that I wouldn’t necessarily normally want to pursue. One example would be based on the book I’ve written called “The Day the Dollar Died.” It’s also one of the topics in the three DVD series your offering “Are You Ready for the “One World Government, One World Religion, One World Economic System?” And the Lord spoke to me after my research on economics and the history of economics, the Federal Reserve and the dollar and so on and so forth. He prophetically spoke to me and said “The time has coming very soon when the US dollar will be devalued and we will merge into a One World Economic System and the dollar will be gone and we will go into a cashless society where we’ll receive a microchip or a biochip implant if we choose to reject Jesus and accept the anti-Christ as Lord. So as I do all this research I’m watching George Soros the super-billionaire on the BBC. He’s talking before like 20 million people in Europe on television and he’s coming out openly and saying that the goal is to value the dollar. And the reason they want to devalue the dollar is you can’t have a world currency if the dollar is strong. So he said “By weakening the dollar and transferring the wealth of the middleclass into third world nations.” Which some people sounds Christian but it’s going to end up in the hands of dictators. Then he says “We will equalize the playing field and people will be ready to accept a one world currency.” Now they’ve announced that this world currency will be called “A Phoenix” and it will be available by 2018. Whether or not they achieve that date I don’t know but they’re planning for a world currency to be established in 2018.
Sid: Well you know in going to your research and you have spent 30 years Paul McGuire researching the microchip and the mark of the beast but I couldn’t believe the quote you had from such credible people because you not only seeing things from a prophetic viewpoint in dreams and visions, but then you’re doing true intellectual research and matching things. What did Ralph Nader say recently?
Paul: Well, Ralph Nader and he’s a consumer advocate and a liberal, and he said that he has seen, he’s been in the factories where they’re manufacturing the technology for the mark of the beast. And this is not a fanatic by any means and he claims that the technology and the mark of the beast is there and their making now and that he’s seen it.
Sid: Tell me one thing you’ve seen that would happen in the future that happened.
Paul: God has given me like a supernatural sense of warning and deep urgency of a coming crisis and it’s like a burden; it’s more than a feeling it’s a sense of knowing before it happens.
Sid: It’s sort of like a 1929 thing?
Paul: This is more along the lines of a cataclysmic event which will shake our nation to its core, and it will be so upsetting and physiologically traumatizing that people are going to be forced to choose between serving government like god or continually on in the Bible traditions.
Sid: So it’s a separation between the true Christian’s and the false. We’re out of time Paul.
Sid: We are learning so much truth; you see God says in His word “My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge.” And we’re coming into not just the information age as far as natural things but the information explosion of supernatural understanding. And I have Pastor Henry Wright on the telephone I was speaking to him all last week about the brand new addition of his book “A More Excellant Way – The Spiritual Roots of Disease – Pathways to Wholeness.” Where he has traced just about every major disease and explained what are the spiritual roots, how to close them there’s excellent teaching in this book. And then examples of people that had similar diseases to you and how God has healed them. Now Henry before we went on the air you were telling me a staggering fact that you put on conferences for Christians and then you poll Christians about the diseases that they have and what have you found out?
Henry: Well, the average audience say of about 250 to 300 people in a conference that we do. When we poll the diseases from A to Z we find the average audience has over 250 different diseases in that room. And over 5 to 600 total that means one person has more than one disease. There’s not an audience I speak to even of quote Christians that are not plagued with all manner of disease.
Sid: Well, what’s the answer?
Henry: Well, the answer is to find out why they have the disease. Of course healing is still the children’s bread, but we talk about healing as if God were required to heal us or something. Because we see healing as part of the atonement, and that’s a debatable subject in many quarters today Sid. There are denominations that teach that healing past away 2000 years ago with the apostles.
Sid: But what I’m concerned about is those that understand that healing is today but aren’t getting their healing.
Henry: Well I suppose the first place to look for the answer to that is in the entire 1st Chapter of the book of Isaiah because it’s addressed to God’s people it’s addressed to covenant people and if you read the entire 1st chapter of the book of Isaiah it’s all about the connection between God’s people serving sin and all manner of disease. I guess we don’t understand what serving sin is all about that’s such a horrible word isn’t it sin. I suppose we should probably follow the newest modern profile and just call it negative emotion or psychological defect.
Sid: Or unfortunately as many people in many congregations do just ignore it.
Henry: Well we ignore it become so one; I guess you say “Well it’s just human nature.” I want to talk about human nature. When God created Adam he was called a son of God; human nature is not evil but something has joined human nature which has changed our image into something different than what who God is. If God is love and the Bible says He is love and we allow bitterness and hatred and division and schism and anger and rage to be part of our life that’s overthrowing who God is in creation. And we don’t think that we think being angry with our brother is normal; we think hating ourself is just normal. He do like “Well, that’s just the way I am.” I have people tell me when I come to them with a disease and I say “Are you dealing with this issue in your life?” “Yeah, well that’s just the way I am pastor if you don’t like it get over it.” I said “Well, what about the scripture that says from glory to glory we are being changed into His image.” Sid I want to tell you looking down at Christianity around the world between salvation and Heaven there’s a huge gap of a wilderness of problems. And yet in the Lord’s Prayer Jesus in teaching the disciples to pray He said “Thy will be done in Earth as it is in Heaven.” I think it’s time to bring a little bit of Heaven to Earth, what do you think?
Sid: I agree. Tell me in these audiences that have so many diseases what are the types of defects that are really behind these diseases.
Henry: When we finished looking at the profiles of the diseases in these audiences it’s really amazing. It’s broken down, there’s always exceptions, but basically the bulk of them about 80% of them are broken down in three spirit spiritual battlegrounds. First is fear, anxiety and stress. Those are things people are worrying about; but we always think about worrying about fear of terrorists or fear of not paying our bills. But we sometimes are afraid of our own mother-in-laws, oh boy that’s a whole different subject. The other area behind fear, anxiety and stress is the battleground when people have with themselves about themselves. A lot of people don’t like themselves, they feel inadequate they feel like nobody loves them. They feel like “Why were they born?” And there’s a whole big battleground.
Sid: I’m too fat, I’m too tall, I’m too short, no one likes the way they are.
Henry: Nobody likes the way they are; I even had people that were male that wished they were females and females that wished they were males. I’m a male, thank God for that, if you’re a female thank God for that; that’s what God created you to be. But we have such a battle; I have this saying “Who you are is not what you do but what you do is who you are.” I went across so many people, so many diseases for example “Chronic fatigue syndrome, and fibromyalgia, and diabetes II for example that people are dressed up, they have what we call fabricated personalities. We spend all of our lives conforming to the image of somebody else what they thought about us; what they said about us until we don’t even know who we are anymore. And this is foundational to disease. The third area that we see…
Sid: I’ll tell you what I have to go back to that “What about someone that says “You know that’s me; what do I do about it?”
Henry: Well, first of all you can change (Laughing) I suppose what you can do about it is to go back to God in your prayer time and say “God who did You see from the foundations of the world, who am I?” If you are unhappy in your life what you’re doing you probably made a wrong turn. You say well, I’m too old, I want to tell you something, you can tell that to Colonel Sanders and he’ll laugh you I’m too old. You can tell that to Moses who wasted 40 years the prime of his life hiding in the backside of the desert and God called him at age 80 and he pastured the largest church in the history of mankind 3 ½ million. You can tell him that you are too old.
Sid: You know that people speak a big game but then they look at themselves in the mirror and they forget that God says “All things are possible.”
Henry: That’s correct, the thing about God is that you’re not stuck in your day; you’re not even stuck with who you are because God is a God of change Sid. Thank God for that, I wouldn’t want to be the old Henry for many years how about you?
Henry: Throwing up.
Sid: For sure; let’s talk about something that’s really plaguing society let’s talk about Alzheimer’s I’m hearing more and more talk about this.
Henry: Alzheimer’s is an autoimmune disease of the brain, we’ve been studying it for quite some time. The key to Alzheimer’s is not healing it’s prevention; now I know people don’t want to hear that it is one of the fastest growing diseases in America it’s going to increase over 400% this year alone.
Sid: Four hundred percent!
Henry: That’s correct.
Henry: It is a plague and coming out of our conversation we just had a moment ago is keys to understanding Alzheimer’s you hear it being helped. We have known that Alzheimer’s was an autoimmune disease of the brain for many years. About 3 or 4 years ago the medical community finally defined it out of dementia and guess what they said.
Sid: What’s that.
Henry: An autoimmune disease of the brain.
Henry: We knew that and how does it work? Here’s how it works; what happens in Alzheimer’s is the immune system begins to form a plaque buildup of white corpuscles or eat the neurological pathways of memory recall. A person who gets Alzheimer’s has not lost their memory; there is not a thing wrong with their soul, there is not a thing wrong with their mind. But the pathways of memory recall are interfered with either by a eating of the pathway by the white corpuscles or a building up of the plaque which acts as an interrupter of neurological pathway flow like electricity would be and they’re not in touch with their memory. Now let’s talk about autoimmune it doesn’t make any difference say that it’s Crones or it’s multiple scoliosis or it’s whatever autoimmune disease you want to talk about. Whenever you hear the word autoimmune it is always self versus self-conflict. And as a person is not at peace with themselves about themselves there is a spirit of infirmity comes at the human body that causes the immune system the white corpuscles and killer cells to actually go an attack and eat. When they eat it’s called a sclerosis of the eat the body part. If they form a plaque it’s called nonbacterial inflammation. Now let’s talk about Alzheimer’s we call the people who get Alzheimer’s actors and actresses because these are people that have spent their entire life becoming and pleasing others. Becoming ….you’ll find them in society, you’ll find them in churches; they’re the best servants, I mean to tell you they’ll serve you with a smile but they’ve never taken time for themselves. They don’t even know who they are in their own personalities because their entire life has been built on others. I want to say this to you and anyone listening. He who receives the message is not greater than he who brings it; and nobody not one person even listing to this program is expendable to the welfare of another. You are as important as another person because of one scripture. God is no respecter of persons.
Sid: So someone identifies with what you’re saying and they say “Hey, I am setting myself up for Alzheimer’s I really see it now; what can they do?”
Henry: First of all, they’re going to have to understand it; you quoted the scripture “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” that’s in Hosea 4:6. Isaiah 5:13 says “My people have gone into captivity because they have no knowledge.” The issue is this the Bible says this Psalm 139 “Before our body parts continue in its fashion from the dust God knew us and we are fearfully and wonderfully made and the hand of God is upon us.” I don’t understand all this because I’m not God but God saw every person from the foundation of the world.
Sid: He also saw that we were running out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: Red hot is an understatement; I had a traditional Jewish rabbi, not just any rabbi, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. He’s host of the national TV show “Shalom in the Home” on The Learning Chanel. He was named by Talker’s Magazine as one of the hundred most important radio hosts of America. I mean he has credentials like you wouldn’t believe. He’s described by many publications as arguably the most famous traditional rabbi in America; he’s been profiled in many of the world’s leading publications including Time Magazine, Newsweek, New York Times, London Times, L.A. Times, Chicago Tribune, Washington Post; he has twice weekly columns in Jerusalem Post, the New Sun. He had a debate, if I was to pick one Jewish believer in Jesus of everyone I know throughout the world it would be Dr. Michael Brown who I’ve known for many years. You see Dr. Brown has got a PhD in near eastern languages and literature from New York University. He is president and founder of Fire School of Ministry in Concord, North Carolina which is right outside of Charlotte, North Carolina. Mike you either read, write, or speak about 15 Semitic languages. How did you happen to learn so many languages?
Michael: What happened was, this is not my fault this the fault of the rabbis, you say how’s that? Well here’s the deal, I got saved in 1971 I was not literate at that point in Hebrew or Jewish sources. I was raised in a kind of a wishy-washy Conservative home on Long Island Conservative Jewish home. I had been a heavy drug user shooting heroine, using LSD, playing drums in a rock band. God radically turned me around at the age of 16 ½ in 1971. My dad was thrilled with the change in my life, but said “Okay great you’re off drugs that’s wonderful, but you need to come back to our traditions.” So he brought me to meet the local rabbi who was fresh out of Jewish Theological Seminary, a great young man; took a real interest in me. We began to have lengthy dialogs by phone, of course I wanted to win him to the Lord the same way, and he wanted to win me back to Judaism. He began to challenge me “Mike you don’t even know Hebrew. Mike how can you tell me what to believe I’ve been studying this since I was a boy.” Then he brought me to meet some ultra-Orthodox rabbis, very religious rabbis in Brooklyn a couple of years later. I had memorized thousands of verses at that point out of the King James Bible, and I was praying hours every day and I was ready for anybody. I went to me with these rabbis and they seemed like very God fearing men, much more religious than the men in the synagogue where I grew up. Boy I mean they knew the languages and they knew the background, and it seemed like everything I threw at them they seemed to have an answer for even if some of the answers were far-fetched at least they had an answer. That really provoked me, I felt “Look I know my experience in the Lord is real, I know I’ve been transformed, I know the word seems so absolutely clear to me, but…”
Sid: Yet, I have to tell you Mike, and a Jewish person, or a Gentile person that believes in Jesus; when they first hear the apologetics or the arguments that traditional rabbis have had 2000 years to develop, it’s very overwhelming if someone has not had a personal encounter with God.
Michael: It is, look the fact is you have some very sincere people who are studying the same Bible, but they’re reading it in Hebrew, and you’re average believer is not able to read it in Hebrew. They’ve had like you said 2000 years of not believing what we believe, and have a whole system of faith and practice and many of them study for hours and hours a day. At that time I didn’t realize, but some specialize in dealing with people like me. That’s only increased, there’s a great increase in what we call counter-missionary…
Sid: But just out of curiosity how old were you when you first were taken to the rabbi?
Michael: Well the local rabbi, the Conservative rabbi I was not yet 17. I was a brand new believer…
Sid: I have to be candid with you, I don’t know how you held your own. I don’t know why he didn’t overpower you because you didn’t know Hebrew. If you were like me, you were bar-mitzvah and you read beautiful Hebrew, but you didn’t understand a word of what you read.
Michael: Listen I didn’t even know what the content of the passage was. In other words, no one ever bothered to tell me that when I was bar mitzvah’d I read from 1 Kings 18 where Elijah calls down fire from heaven [Laughing], that’s quite a passage. Nobody told me that you just went through the motions, that’s not Judaism as a whole that’s the Judaism I grew up with which was very superficial. Leonard Ravenhill, an old man of God who is with the Lord now, he used to say “A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument,” this much I knew. God had radically changed my life; Jesus in a moment of time delivered me from drugs; God brought deep conviction of sin into my own life and made me to realize how far from Him I was, and how deeply He loved me. I was transformed, He changed me; He was working in my life; He had become my Father and my Best-Friend. So if someone hit me with an argument I knew there was an answer somewhere, in point and fact I spent hours alone with God. Not immediately, but after several months in the Lord I started to get hungrier and thirstier. I remember saying to myself “I could live a clean but empty life, or I could give myself to God the way I gave myself to drugs and rock music,” which meant whole heartedly. I began to pursue the Lord with all my heart, so by the time I had met the ultra-Orthodox rabbis when I was 18, I had been spending 5, 6, 7 hours with the Lord alone every day. I was reading the Bible 2 hours a day; I was memorizing scriptures 1 hour a day; I used to memorize 20 verses every day, that’s how hungry for God I was. I was experiencing the reality of God, so when I met with these men yes they challenged me, yes they raised good questions, yes their lifestyle also challenged me, not that it was different than mine in terms of devotion, but the fact that they were very serious religious Jews, and I grew up thinking all Judaism was superficial the way I knew it. So I was challenged by all that and I thought “Okay, when I start college I’m gonna start studying Hebrew.” When I started studying Hebrew I thought “You know I need to learn more languages to learn more background so I don’t even need to rely on the dictionaries, or commentaries; I want to be able to dig and understand on my own. The interesting thing is, that along the whole journey, even though I knew the reality of my faith, I was always wondering “What am I going to study, what I going to learn, what am I going to be confronted with that is going to cause me to question what I believe, what am I going to be hit that I don’t have an answer for? To my delight, and even surprise, the more I studied the stronger my faith became. I didn’t have to shut off my mind ever. To this day Sid, after 34 years in the Lord and writing 1,300 pages of apologetic material and having many debates with rabbis; to this day I can tell you, the more I study the more excited I get about the foundations of our faith.
Sid: Okay, we did two television shows with Dr. Michael Brown, and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, that I have literally, I mean so many credentials I don’t have time to even list all of them; so we had as good a professional traditional rabbi as possible, and as good a Messianic Jewish scholar as possible debating on the subject “Who is Jesus?” Mike why is it 2000 years ago so many people missed Jesus being the Messiah? I mean here He was in the flesh performing miracles everyone in Jerusalem knew about this rabbi from Galilee that walked in signs and wonders, and people said He was the Messiah. Why did a group of Jews follow Him, and a group of Jews, a larger group, not follow Him at that time?
Michael: Well the fact is that’s the way it’s been in our history Sid. Picture this we come out of Egypt with the greatest display of national miracles, public national display in world history. God demonstrates that He alone is God; He brings us out of Egypt, He brings us through the sea; He speaks from Mt. Sinai in such a way that the whole nation can hear, and the whole nation says “Whatever He said we’re gonna do.” Within 40 days many of them, the majority are breaking the very first commandment and worshipping an idol. Out of that generation only 2 make it into the promise land, and the rest die because of unbelief and…
Sid: Yes, but most of them were not as knowledgeable as say a traditional rabbi 2000 years that from age 3 or 4 starts memorizing and studying the Jewish scriptures.
Michael: Some of those people did come to follow Yeshua, some were believers, but many times He is more than we are asking for. In other words, we want a Messiah who will come according to our plan and make the world a better place and make us all happy and take away trouble and war. On a certain level in the Messianic age we’ll experience a lot of that when it is fully realized on the earth. Jesus came and upset the religious apple cart; He is a threat to our authority systems; He is a threat to our religious tradition, and what happened was despite the tremendous sincerity of so many of these men, and rabbinic Judaism was really in its formative stages then, but despite the sincerity of so many of these men they had made the mistake of replacing the living word of God with human traditions. In their zeal to construct something in which the Jewish people could live on a national level without the presence and the prophetic word of God, they constructed an endless stream of traditions. Jesus came into conflict with those traditions, He did not come the way they were expecting Him to come, He did not come and build up their system, He came and confronted what was wrong in their system and because of that many turned against Him.
Sid: My guest LA Marzulli I’m interviewing him on his brand new book just literally off the press “On the Trail of the Nephilim. If you recall the Nephilim were the fallen angels that cohabited with the daughters of man and produced hybrid race that unfortunately were giants and evil. Some of the things that LA has uncovered are absolutely amazing to me; tell me some of your research that you found in Peru.
LA: Well, the Peru research Sid was absolutely just mind blowing. The reason why we went there was we knew that we could find evidence of what we believe of course are Nephilim skulls because there are many private museums in Peru. And we zoned in on one of them, or zeroed in on one of these museums and I’ll never forget when we walked in and there in the display case were over 40 skulls just shown. And we were able to open the display case, handle them; photograph them, test them, measure them everything that you would want to do.
Sid: Now just out of curiosity something that looks so out of this world to me really is these skulls that are elongated they’re not like human skulls.
LA: There’s a process known as cradle head boarding or cranial deformation; cranial refers to the skull, cradle head boarding means that you’re taking an infant like less than one year old, six months old infant. And I’ve actually seen one of these devices which were used; they would place one of them on the front of the baby and in the rear and they would bind the head; and so as the child grows it shapes the skull into an elongated like a cone head type shape.
Sid: Is it sort of like the Japanese would wrap the feet and so that they would have real tiny… some Japanese women would have very tiny feet. Same principal, okay go ahead.
LA: And it’s the same idea they’re manipulating bone structure. Now when we were in Peru and we saw these skulls it became very apparent which ones were cradle head-boarded, or cranial head deformation deliberately done by human being to other human beings when they were very very small. What blew us away Sid were the skulls that we have and what we saw at the Paracas museum; these were cone head shapes or elongated type skulls. Now a little bit of back story is needed here and this is what differentiates these skulls from the normal human skull. All of us on this planet basically have four plates; okay four plates which comprise the human skull. They are frontal plate, the two parietal on the top of the skull and then the one in the rear called the occipital; frontal two parietal occipital one in the rear. Many of these skulls which we saw in Peru had only one parietal plate the stitching, or they’re called sutures, which hold these plates together are very evident; you can see them with the naked eye. And on all these skulls in Peru not all the ones but the ones that we believe are possibly are the Nephilim skulls. There is only one parietal plate; there should be a suture going down from the top of the frontal plate right in front of the skull and all of the way on the top of the head which goes back to the rear of the skull; that wasn’t there. Not even a trace of it; not even the faintest trace of it.
Sid: And so what is the explanation for that?
LA: The explanation is and that’s only one feature. The bones underneath the eyes which are called the zygomatic arch were very pronounced in many of these skulls. The upper jaw which is known as the maxilla again very pronounced; the lower jaw the mandible very very robust. These skulls had many anomalies, the nasal cavity for instance was a disaster area according to several medical doctors who looked at these things. On the top of the frontal plate right in the front there was sort of like a ridge the size of your little finger going all the way around it and you can’t make that from cradle head boarding; you can’t manipulate that. And the rear of the largest skull which we of course believe were the male skulls there was this heart shaped dome on the back of the top back of the skull. Again with only one parietal plate where there should be two. So these skulls were certainly anomalous and this where the red hair came from one of these skulls which again only had one parietal.
Sid: But what does this prove?
LA: Well, it proves that there’s some sort of genetic manipulation going on that’s what it proves and because the Paracas culture springs into being between 3000 and 3500 years ago it fits the timeline of the diaspora; of the people leaving, or these Nephilim tribes, leaving the promise land in the wake of the conquest.
Sid: Okay, but how do we not know this is just not part of what evolutionists call the evolutionary cycle and it sum’s between an ape and a man?
LA: We had these skulls examined by two medical doctors who told us unequivocally that these are not the skulls of apes or any other primates that they are human skulls but they are genetic differences in them. There are differences in these skulls and we believe that these are not completely human.
Sid: Now tell me some of the other things you found in Peru.
LA: Well, one of the places we went to was a place called Huatara and this was about 7,000 feet above sea level at the foot hills of the Andes. And where we went was absolutely in the middle of nowhere a little small town. In the area there was a Catholic church which was built over a very old existing structure. And when you’re in the church it’s very very dark hard to see but we saw this very complex megalithic stone work polygonal shaped, not one stone was identical to another; and yet the joinery was so perfect you could… no mortar was construction. You couldn’t put a human hair through it and when we walked outside the church around to the rear of church or the side of the church it became very evident that there was different builders that was here. That whatever this thing was there were trapezoidal shapes, the stonework was absolutely mind boggling, mind blowing how it was shaped. These stones are some of the weigh between 4 to 10 to 15 to 20 tons each. They’re placed there in a way that you’d be hard pressed to do it today. The stones were polygonal; what I mean by that many different sided and those cuts go all the way back six feet in that wall. So if you see angles of one stone, those angles traced that whole stone from beginning to the end they make up that wall. You could create it today Sid with the tools that we have but we’re talking giant saws to cut these things without any vibration in the saw and then somehow, you know it would be very very time consuming. And yet we see this structure 1000′s of years old and it begs the question who made them? And even more mysterious “How did they do that without the tools that we have in the modern age?”
Sid: And as we discussed earlier this week some of these stones are what 40 tons; how did they move them?
LA: Well, the stones and Saksaywaman and Cusco were the largest megalithic stones that we saw and some of these were as large as 120 tons. And remember the Saksaywaman is about 12,000 feet above sea level.
Sid: This is in Peru; go ahead.
LA: Peru. The quarry is 40 to 60 miles away and remember the Inca did not use the wheel so this begs a question, first of all how do we quarry these things at 2000 feet below the 12,000 foot level 40 miles away? And how the heck do we get them there and how do we shape them into these polygonal structures. And the photographs speak louder and show a person what we’re really looking at. Again in the modern age you might be able to do this but it would be so costly; and yet these stones are shaped, they’re mortarless there are no mortar at all they are 1000′s of years old. They are very very ancient, and no one knows where they came from, no one knows the builders and the building techniques have long ago been lost.
Sid: Tell me some of the more interesting things you found in the museums in Peru.
LA: Well again there are some museums where the elongated or the cone head type skull is able to be viewed. One in particular museum was the Ica Museum. This skull that was there, which we have photographs of, was found in the Chongo Necropolis and the Chongo Necropolis is right next door to Paracas, Peru. The Paracas museum may recall is where we were able to handle the skull. This Necropolis is seven miles it goes back into the desert seven miles; it was one of the most bleak places I’ve ever been. It’s like the Sahara it’s just desert and as your walking through this area the grave robbers for the last 500 years have been digging in this area and the place is strewn, it’s all private it’s private land. It’s strewn with mummy wrappings and human remains and pottery shard as far as the eye could see. It was the most bazaar place I’ve ever been in my life! And in the Chongos, the Chongos skull was in the Ica museum it was that of a male, one parietal plate; remember that was the plate on the top of the skull.
LA: Should be intersected with a suture from the frontal to the rear plate it’s not one parietal plate. Then on top of it it has this heart shaped mound which should not be there. So again going back to the cradle deformation, or cradle head-boarding, where they bind the infants head at a very young age obviously with material and begin to shape the head this is not what we’re looking at. I believe that is genetic manipulation by an outside source; that outside source being the fallen angels. These are in my opinion Nephilim.
Sid: Now let’s go back to our institution the Smithsonian; why wouldn’t the Smithsonian have this front and center they’d have people coming from all over the world to their museum?
LA: Well, I’ll tell you something Sid it’s really interesting when we went into Lima, and I’ll answer your question with this because it ties right into it. I went to Lima first and the reason why I went to Lima is I wanted to see the golden mummies which I knew were on display. These are 9 foot mummies, okay 9 footers; guess what Sid, they’re no longer there.
LA: They’ve been taken down.
LA: To add one thing to it we went to the National Museum where they have…where they used to have an entire room of elongated cranial deformation which we believe are Nephilim skulls cone head skulls. A whole room, that section of the museum boarded up, closed down under renovation been that way for 4 to 6 months. I asked the people “Where are the skulls? Oh we have them, we’re going to show them at some point in time.” The bottom line is this… the window is closing, and window is closing because it goes against the Darwinian paradigm. Which talks about the Baringian Lambridge the Bering Strait.
Sid: As far as I’m concerned your research really throws a monkey wrench in the whole evolution concoction.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be a worker, we want everyone everywhere you have got such unique DNA there is no one that has ever been created just like you, and you have a purpose, you have a destiny. And I have found something and I am going to shout it from the roof tops it’s a new book by James Rutz it called “Mega Shift” because there is a MEGA SHIFT going on in the Body of Messiah. Part of this mega shift I’ve been talking about for 20 years and that is the law of evangelism going to the Jew first which opens up a supernatural door of evangelism to Gentiles greater than if you’d gone to the Gentile first. And celebrating the Biblical festivals because they’re not just Biblical festivals they’re not just Jewish festivals, they are God’s feasts. And in the Hebrew the word feasts means set appointments, they are appointments with God. But because many people have taken these Biblical feasts and have become legalistic or said they had something to do with your salvation people have thrown out the baby with the dirty bath water. But it’s time to take these God appointments and Tim and Katie what I see is this house church movement and the institutional church movement are not working opposite each other it’s all part of the body of Messiah. And I can see all of us coming together for a feast of Tabernacles celebration and we won’t have a football game going on during that day because we’ll rent the entire football stadium and will all come together worship God on a God festival He will show up and Jewish people that don’t know the Messiah will say “What is this, black and white, and male and female, and Jew and Gentile and African American and Hispanic, and Asian and Native American, and what is going on? And they’re dancing together and they love each other and people are getting healed and then if you’ll allow me I’d like to put this on my television show It’s Supernatural. And I’ve got Time and Katie Mather in the office right now, they’re spokesman for the Mega-shift Ministry. Can you see that? Can you see stadiums filled with God’s children and God being so pleased that He shows up.
Tim: I think that the Lord’s going to give us back this culture, I think that He’s going to give us back this culture and the impact isn’t for the culture or for the politics it’s for the Kingdom of God. And as we come together and set aside all those differences we have to set aside especially those that may be listening who are part of the people who have left structural institutional church.
Sid: Are there many like this around the United States.
Tim: The researchers Barna Research says right now it’s a little difficult to grasp, but between 20 and 30 million born again, Bible believing Christian people have left the institutional church and are not going back.
Sid: And why have most of them left, do you know I’m sure it’s diverse reasons but what would you say?
Tim: I would say that many are angry, they’re angry at being told to mobilize what we’ve been talking about, we’ve been told to mobilize and then not being allowed to mobilize not being allowed to do anything. And there’s a lot of spiritual abuse that happens in that process of restraining people while saying go out and do.
Katie: I think a lot are just hungry for more, they’ve been… a lot of them have been in the church for a long time, they’ve done everything that there is to do within the structure, but they know that there is so much more that the Lord wants to do within them that they’re capable of. Because of the mobility of our society and even being able to go around the world they know that that they can do so much more for Christ.
Sid: Katie from your eyes, I know every meeting in a house church is different. Could you paint me a picture of what might happen at one meeting in your house congregation? First of all how many people might you have there?
Katie: Well, it could be anywhere from 2 or 3, the very smallest and the Lord shows up even among 2 or 3. We suggest that don’t go any higher than 12 or 15 because then you really lose the intimacy of the small group where people are able to share with one another sharing their lives and what the Lord’s doing in their lives. Because when it gets larger than 15 it’s time to divide, where in the institution they see that division is a bad thing. Within the home church community division is a good thing that means growth, that means now one fellowship can become 2 or 3 and even grow even more.
Sid: But what goes on in the meeting itself?
Katie: In the meeting itself we see a lot of things happen, people come with whatever they have to bring. And sometimes it’s a revelation they’ve received personally from the Lord. Sometimes it’s a scripture that’s really been burning in their heart that they want to share that the Lord’s been speaking to them. Some have come with songs that they have written and they share them and others are moved. Some come with a problem and share it and others are able to pray over them. One home meeting a fellow stood up and said “I feel that there are several people here who are caring such brokenness in their spirit that it’s time now to really give that to the Lord so why don’t you just let us just pray for you.” And actually not just 1 or 2 stepped up but 4 stepped forward and said “Yeah, that’s me.” And we had opportunity to pray with them for deep healing and some long carried wounds in their life. One of those people even had a restoration in their relationship with their father and to see that kind of change and transformation really bring about something supernatural in people’s lives is a powerful thing to happen in a small group.
Sid: Tim a lot of people that are believers that have not dropped out of the system like the big churches because they can hide. Can you hide in a home church?
Tim: It’s a little difficult to hide when you’re sitting across the room from someone and they look and say “Hey what’s going on with you?” and begin conversation it’s a little difficult to hide. And so the anonymity that we like in the big group is basically lost in the living room.
Sid: Well, one of the things I said to both of you is I want you, I didn’t say this I should have, I want your number one as my guest to have fun and number two I want you to yield to the Spirit of God not to me. And the only restriction is time because that we don’t have control over. However, is that what you’d tried to do at your house meeting what I’m trying to do right now on the air?
Tim: Yeah, absolutely finding out who people are, where they are and letting them bring a piece to this puzzle that we find Jesus in them and they begin to minister to that one to another and they become… there is a rich koinonia and that’s developed. And I as a recovering pastor
Tim: I have gained rich insight and my life is much richer having these people talk to me and minister to me and care for me in the midst of it instead of me having to be the all-knowing, all seeing-eye.
Sid: So Tim what can someone do in your house church that they could not do in their traditional church be it charismatic, evangelical, what?
Tim: Imagine on a standard whatever kind of church it is a Sunday morning and the pastors saying something whatever in his message and it hits you. And it doesn’t have to hit you wrong but it hits you and you have some sort of revelation on it and what if you just stood up and said “Wait a minute I have something to say about that I’ve got an idea about that.” Just imagine how that would work in your Sunday morning service. I think you would find out what the term usher means as they usher you out of the room. (Laughing)
Sid: (Laughing) Tell me some of the other differences, for instance let’s look at it this way a pastor recognizes this problem in a traditional style church and they start house groups and these are small and so it seems to me that will accomplish the same thing and yet you say no.
Tim: The issue is back to a matter of control, and I had to learn this as a recovering pastor I had to learn how to let people do what they wanted to do, let people share out of their heart and not always tell them the right answer. Come in and be the strong arm and take control of the gathering.
Sid: But aren’t you afraid of wild fire?
Tim: Absolutely I think a little wild fire once in a while cleans the forest out. There’s all sorts of dangers that people can focus on.
Sid: You know what I like to say?
Sid: I like to say in most churches there’s no fire; oh God give me some.
Katie: Well, Tim’s always said “I’d rather be a fireman than an undertaker so.”
Tim: I’d rather be in a fire, yeah because the issue is it would be…it would be good to have a little fun have a little tension or something.
Sid: So what is your preparation for your meeting?
Tim: My preparation is life, the issue is that we don’t even use the term meeting anymore we use…
Sid: What do you use?
Tim: We just “You want to come over to our house we just invite friends.
Katie: We’re getting together.
Tim: Come on over we’re going to eat because as you start putting these tags on it then people have expectation, people have their paradigms of what it’s going to be what it needs to be and if you say this is a meeting, if you line up chairs the little things that don’t seem important. If you line up chairs; I have one friend who when he first got into the house church he built himself a pulpit that he had put up in his living room and every time they met and he spoke to them because it’s in our DNA the institution. And so we just decide whatever the institution, however the institution would do it let’s do it differently. And making room, getting out of the way, getting our agenda out of the way and letting the Holy Spirit show up and let Him do what He wants to do. Sometimes the meeting will be about one person. In the institution generally the meeting was about me and what I had to say as a pastor.
Sid: Our time is slipping away.
Sid: My guest is so red hot for the Messiah that I understand that she prays with a group of teenager’s every morning at 5:30 am. Now most singers I know Karen Wheaton don’t want to talk to anyone at 5:30 in the morning they would rather do this at night. How do you manage to pray at 5:30 am with these teenagers?
Karen: Well, it was an amazing experience when the Holy Spirit called me to work with young people and much to my surprise actually. At the end of 1998 when He called me back to my home town in Hamilton, Alabama. I had been in the ministry for over twenty years by myself and I come back to my home town of 6,000 people in the middle of nowhere and the Lord spot lights to me the youth of my city. Sitting on the hood of their cars in the wee hours of the morning purposeless and unaware of the real God. And He speaks to me Sid and He says “I want you to work with the youth of this community.” Well, I explained to God why I was not the best choice to work with young people. I was too old, not cool and way too busy in the ministry. And Sid He gave me one statement that He knew would get me, “But what you invest in the lives of other young people you would reap in your own children.” So with two teenage daughters I took Him up on that offer.
Sid: Now tell me the first, the first young people you spoke to to get involved with tell me what that was like?
Karen: It was about 7 young people in the back of a storefront church that my sister and her husband pastored. We were in the back of that building on a Wednesday night and I went to just sort of help out I didn’t really know what God had in mind I just thought I’ll help with what I can. And with 7 kids I began to teach them that #1 there’s a real God who will come if you seek Him. And #2 He has a reason for you breathing, there’s a reason that you’re on the earth. He has a purpose for your life and if you worship Him, you seek Him He will come and when He comes He will speak to your heart and you’ll understand why you’re living. That’s what they did and they sought Him and He did not disappoint them He came. And when He came those kids became addicted to His presence and Sid what you’re talking about about the 5:30 in the morning prayer meeting, that began at the end of 1998-99 when those kids came to me. High school kids at the time and said “Miss Karen we want to pray from 5:30 to 6:30 in the morning before school starts would you come with us.” So sometimes in the dark the sun had not even come up yet I would pull up in that parking lot and I would sometimes I’d be coming up from a road trip tired and 5:30 I would pull up and you got a whole group now 7 kids turns to 30 kids. They’re sitting on the sidewalk waiting for me to open the door. There were times we prayed in those early mornings His presence so thick it was indescribable, those kids prayed for God to send young people to Hamilton from the North, the South, the East and the West and Sid 30 kids has turned to 100′s of 1000′s of kids that have come now from around the world just like they asked God for.
Sid: I want them to hear one of the songs from the CD’s we’re featuring a song that I love the title “Lord You’re Holy.” What does that song mean to you?
Karen: I love to worship Him because I love to see Him and whenever we worship Him we see who He is. Years ago as a young girl I said to the Lord, “Lord what is it about praise that it’s so important that You command that we praise You?” As a young girl I said “Lord, does praise have an effect on You? Does praise change You somehow? Do You need to hear us praise You and worship You?” I said “I’ll do it because You command it but why, why do You want us to praise You is it to change on You?” And God spoke to me and He said “Karen nothing changes me, I’m the same yesterday, today, and forever, but praise changes you.” When we worship Him we see Him and when we see Him we are changed forever.
Sid: Let’s worship with Karen Wheaton “Lord You’re Holy.” Something happened to Karen when she was just devastated by the things of life and the compassion of the Messiah is literally poured out when she worships but I have to tell you something else. When I listen to her worship many of her songs it makes me happy, it just gives me joy, it’s so infectious.