Sid: I have my good friend Dr. Michael Brown on the telephone and he is a linguistic scholar, he speaks, reads or writes over a dozen Semitic languages, graduated from graduate school in New York University. And I was talking to him the other day and he told me something that got me upset. His newest book, no major publisher, even Christian would touch it and I said, well I think that it’s important. Mike tell me how this book came into being.
Mike: Sid God jolted me about six years ago with the word reach out and resist and he was specifically talking to me about the homosexual community. This hadn’t been on my radar as a heterosexual when I was dealing with sin issues in the body and sexual sins. I was mainly focused on heterosexual issues through the years. We moved to Charlotte in 2003 and in 2004 some of our folks were invited to do some outreach at a gay pride event in our city. I’m thinking Charlotte, nice conservative city, well to our shock there are all kinds of vulgarities and things happening in the park. Out people that were in there just to share the gospel were escorted out of the park by police and God began to speak to me. You’ve got to do something to turn back the tide of homosexual activism in America. It was completely out of the blue and He spoke to me reach out and resist meaning reach out to the people; those who identifies homosexual, bisexual, transgender reach out to the people with compassion…
Sid: Now, I have to interject something and I can say this because I have seen this first hand. Part of me gets even a little upset Mike when I’ve seen you in a different arena, when you debate Rabbis you’re so loving and so kind that and I want you to loving and kind, but I want you to win the argument and so I’m sure that when you start talking about the homosexual issue you’re especially loving and kind.
Mike: Yea, the fact is people have suffered a whole lot of rejection, misunderstanding, many people that have come out of homosexuality did it to spite the church, in other words they felt put out, they felt like the church as saying you’re the worst of all sinners. They say oo if I sit next to them I’m going to get aids, what is the matter with you? And there is a lot of sensitivity there so the moment you address these issues it becomes highly inflammatory. It is like somebody’s that’s got a burn on their skin and you just touch them and they scream. That’s how it is with these issues. And the word that I got was reach out to the people with compassion; resist the agenda with courage, Sid I’m telling you all hell breaks loose when you do that. Here I’m a Jew; I have been called Adolph Hitler; I have been called the Jihadist; I have been called psychopath; you name it I’ve been called it simply by saying God has a better way than homosexuality.
Sid: You know I’m reminded of you did a public forum; I believe it was in the Charlotte, North Carolina area on the subject of “Can You be Gay Christian.” There was one gay person that came and their comment was very telling.
Mike: Yeah well, let me first say that when we announced that we were doing a forum we did one year; “Homosexuality the Church and Society” and next year “Can You be Gay and Christian?” We began to get letters to the Charlotte Observer calling me Ku Klux Klan, associating me with Nazis. We got branded every way you can be branded to the point that the Charlotte Observer wrote and Editorial defending me and this is a newspaper that’s known more with liberal stands and when I did this Forum, when I reached out and when we taught on can you be Gay and Christian? I’ve actually had people come sit with me; some they claim to be Gay Christians, so okay I have misjudged you now that I have really heard your heart, now that I have really gotten to know you I realized that I have misjudged who they really are because they thought that I was just some conservative political activist; they still rail against me and write against me and attack me and Sid the church is drawing back from this. People are afraid to discuss it. I talked to a board member of mine who is a mega pastor in one of our big cities in America; he has a congregation of over 5,000 people he said that every mega pastor that he meets with in his city has pulled away from this issue; their afraid to talk about it. And God laid on my heart right a book; not just for the church but for the world that will awaken the conscience of the nation. It has to be supernatural for this to happen we’re depending on God in prayer and fasting every step of the way here. And He spoke to me, write a book that will awaken the conscience of the nation and drop the title in my heart “A Queer Thing Happened to America.” You have to remember the word queer for years now has been hipster it has been cool; queer eye for the straight guy. Queer studies in college; you’ve got children in elementary school learning terms like gender queer; you’ve got queer theology programs; I own the Queer Bible Commentary you name it. So I use this with an obvious double meaning “A Queer Think Happened to America.” Even though I have written twenty books Sid, even though I have written for major publishers, no major publisher would touch this. I’ve never worked with an agent, but I was hooked up with one of the top Christian agents in America who works for some of the biggest Christian authors in America and they began to farm this out to different potential publishers, secular and Christian; everyone of them came back with response the title has to change and most all of them said the contents are too controversial. Sid, we got the point that controversial things can happen in our society from preschool up through college, up through our churches, up through our government; all these things can happen and if we dare talk about them even with love and grace we are branded. The hate mongers, bigoted, intolerant, the church is losing its voice here and everyone needs to understand this and this is based Sid, on careful research now those who came out of the closet forty years ago fighting for what they felt was their rights, fighting for equality and tolerance. They came out of the closet forty years ago and they began to say we demand our rights they began to look at conservative Christians, in particular believers and said we demand that you recognize our rights. Then they began to take away our rights and next thing Sid, they want to put you and me in the closet. There are countries where if we did this interview on the radio it would be band and we would even be threatened with a jail sentence.
Sid: As a matter a fact we are on the air in some of those countries and we’ll have to not play this particular show. Now you make a statement “Our children are at stake, not through sexual predators but reeducation.”
Mike: Some Christians think that every homosexual is a sexual predator and that every homosexual is into sex with children and therefore, oh no their trying to teach in our schools because their sexual predators. That of course is a terrible misconception and we ought not to think like that that every homosexual is out for my kids. That being said, they certainly, those that are in the educational field, which is a high percentage actually, they certainly want to influence and change the thinking of our children. Sid, I was on the Tiara Banks Show just a year ago and the show was on transgender children; these are kids that feel their trapped in the wrong bodies. I was the only one on a one hour program saying there’s something wrong with the boy going to school (seven years old) dressed like a girl. I was the only one saying that there’s something wrong with giving hormone blockers to this kid as they get older and then setting him up for sex surgery as a teenager. What’s being taught in the schools is such now there is something called the riddle homophobia scale that’s being used in some schools; especially in high schools and they have four categories of homophobic attitudes. And four categories of positive attitudes. Do you know that tolerance and acceptance are now considered homophobic? Instead our schools, they want our kids to celebrate and nurture homosexuality? You’re talking about reprogramming of kids, we’re talking about kids in nursery school having readers the standard “Heather has two Mommies and One dad,” “Two Dads Stuff.” The very…
Sid: And, I think about when I was in school and it was a shame for someone to be homosexual, now the shame is on the person that says the Bible says this is not what God wants.
Mike: You are 100% right, it is now shameful to stand against something that was considered shameful. Sid there are pastors listening to us and right now their convicted by the Spirit because their ashamed to say that homosexual practices is sin. We recognize…
Sid: There are homosexuals in churches throughout America, the pastors know they’re homosexuals, their good tithers and they don’t state publically that its sin.
Mike: We have gotten so compromised, look this is the fruit we’ve talked about this for years little over twenty years ago Sid you were one of the first to get behind my book “End of the American Gospel Enterprise” when we talked about the need to awakening in the church and to preach the gospel again and to speak the truth and to sound an alarm; and to call for revival. This is just another symptom of a man pleasing mentality, a mentality that would rather offend God then offend people. Look we don’t want to be branded as hateful, intolerant, bigoted and this has become such a hot button issue and so many pastors, so many leaders are afraid of offending and driving people away or losing the tithe or whatever it is, that they would rather have a compromise position. I want to bring a prophetic warning Sid, those that are afraid to stand for righteousness, to stand against same sex marriage, stand against the recent decision “Don’t ask don’t tell in the military” because they say I don’t want to get political. I’m telling you the next thing they will no longer be able to preach that God can change homosexual men and women and the next thing they will not be allowed to preach that homosexuality is sin. The stuff that is in my book…
Sid: I’ll tell you what concerns me, that concerns me what you’re saying but what concerns me are my children, my grand children, my great grand children. They’re going to grow up thinking homosexuality is normal.
Sid: My guest Todd White is red hot for the Messiah, that is normal and it’s so contagious. As matter of fact I was telling Todd just before we got on the air, there is such a presence of God. It’s literally like a river is pouring out of this interview right now. And this river is healing wherever the river goes people are going to get healed. Todd, tell me a bit about your background.
Todd: At twelve years old I started using drugs and at eleven years old I was actually put in a boy’s home after my parents got divorced so I was in there for probably about six months and I started to use drug. I was in there for about five and a half years; it was called the Masonic homes. I was raised by the masons, by the Masonic organization. I came out of there; I got kicked out when I was right before I was a senior in high school.
Sid: What kind of drugs were you using?
Todd: Well, I basically I started smoking marijuana in the beginning and then drinking of course was associated with that. And then I did acid and mushrooms and just…started to use cocaine a little bit but…
Sid: Talk about a sabotage. Here you’re in an orphanage, now you’re into drugs, you didn’t stand a chance.
Todd: Yeah, I didn’t stand a chance by the world’s standards, but Jesus had something else in mind and I just am so thankful for that. I was sixteen and half I got kicked out of there; I came home got kicked out of my house, I was just in a real…I had trouble with authority and rebellion. My stepdad and I didn’t get along very well, and he dared me one day, he said you would never make it in the Marine Corp. He said there is no possible way you would ever make it and I showed him, I joined the Marine Corp. Went through boot camp and did all right and about a year into the fleet I went to go home, they wouldn’t let me go home so I went home anyway. It is not a good idea to join the Marine Corp with an authority complex, with an authority issue. So actually took a bunch of friends and drove them out, stole some money from a home, drove them out to Colorado, went out there and became a ski bum for a little while. God busted by the police one day, came in and arrested me, extradited me back to the Marine Corp. I went back spent a bunch of time in the brig. I was awaiting orders after I got out of the brig and I went AWOL again, I just didn’t want to hang out there so.
Sid: Did anyone up until that point told you about the Lord? Had you gone to Sunday school?
Todd: Oh well sure, people had talked to me about God, but Sid the fact remains that if you can’t see Christ in somebody you don’t want what they have. So I really didn’t see what I, I never really saw something that I really was attracted to in Christians. And the Jesus that I knew about was the one that I was told about in Sunday school when I was really little. And most of the people that talked to me about Christ actually walked out hypocrisy more than a love relationship with God; so I didn’t want what they had. My friends on the street gave me more love than anybody inside of a church did.
Sid: So you’re drifting lower and lower, what happened next?
Todd: Yep, I went and was just extradited back again to the Marine Corp again. I got out of there and then I went and came home and I got arrested because the charges that I’d stolen money had finally caught up to me back home. I went to jail, I was in jail for awhile I have a felony rap sheet and a few years later I met a girl at a blind date at a bar. And actually trick her into having a kid with me. Kind of hid the drug addiction and after we had the baby about a year and half into our life she had found out about the drugs and she just told me she hated me constantly. And I threatened actually to kill myself or to take her out if she ever left me. It was really really really bad. It was actually, I was like the devil’s number one guy. I was destroying lives everywhere I went. I was an open freight train for the kingdom of hell to destroy peoples’ lives including my girl friend, my daughter who only knew her dad as a drug addict for the first seven and half years of her life. And I went to, one night I went out on the street and my girl friend chased me into town with my daughter in the back seat and she actually told me that you’re coming home and it’s 1:30, I didn’t have any money so I went and lost them down a back street and in section in New York City where I’m from. I picked a kid up and when I had him in the car, he’s from New York City, he wasn’t from a small town, he’s from the big city. And when he handed the drugs and I was hooked on crack at that point, it was about four or five years I was really hooked on crack at the end of this addiction. This kid said he knew that I was a cop, I told him I was a cop, I didn’t have any money. He handed me the drugs, I told him to step out of the car and put his hands on the hood and when he did I hit the gas and at that point he opened up a nine millimeter and unloaded it from ten feet away and I could literally see the gun blast from ten feet away. And an audible voice spoke to me and said I took those bullets for you, are you ready to live for me yet? And it was the voice from Heaven and I didn’t understand what it was. I went and did the drugs and I didn’t get high. I came home that night, my girl friend was up.
Sid: Did you realize that you had had a supernatural shield from those bullets?
Todd: Nope, I didn’t understand it, now I do looking back I know, but I didn’t have any idea I was still clueless. But I knew that something needed to change and God had griped my heart in such a way that when I came home I told my girl friend I got to go. She said you do because I hate you. And three days later I went to a program called Teen Challenge, I went to Teen Challenge I was in the program for two months. They told me I couldn’t see my girl friend, because in Teen Challenge you can’t see your mate unless you are married. I could see my kid in four hours once a month. I went into Teen Challenge and when I was up there I had submitted myself to the Word of God and even though I did not understand because I had ADHD so I couldn’t understand any words that I was reading in a regular book, let alone the Bible. But I knew that if I pressed in that someone I knew that I saw Christ in, His name is Dan, he’s a spiritual father of mine. I saw Christ in him and he told me that if you seek Him, you’ll find Him. So every morning I’d wake up early at this place and I’d tuck away for an hour and open up the Bible; I didn’t understand anything I read. I never read a book before in my whole life. I actually went the whole way through school, never really read, I just kind of skimmed to find reports and take notes and different things. But the Bible actually started to open up to me, I read a scripture in James and it says if I lack wisdom ask God and He’ll give it to me. And I said, that’s it God I’m wisdom less. And then all of a sudden little bits and pieces started to unload. And then I had three dreams, because I had nightmares the whole time in there. At the end of a two month period of time, I had met a homeless guy across the street at Teen Challenge and he had told me that I had a demon and I didn’t know him and he didn’t know me, but he shared with me the gospel and I asked him why he wasn’t preaching in a church. And he told me twenty years ago told him to pick up his cross and follow Him. And he’s been pushing a shopping cart full of Bibles going from Mission to Mission across America preaching the gospel to anyone who would listen. He said, I’m going to pray for you and this thing is leaving you and it is never going to touch you again. So he prayed for him and I didn’t feel anything different, but that night when I went to bed instead of nightmares I had an encounter in a valley where the valley shook and I thought these demons were coming after me and I prayed for the first time. God help! And all of a sudden a voice came, it makes me cry because it is so real and He said, “Do not fear, I’ll never leave you or forsake you.” And all of a sudden, I woke up and I went into the prayer room at 5:00 in the morning before the day started and I opened right up to Psalm 23. And I didn’t know what I was opening, I just opened the Bible opened the Bible opened supernaturally and I read “Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil,” and I knew that it was God. But I wasn’t going to leave because Teen Challenge is a year program. So the second night I had a same dream, the third night I had the same exact dream; and that third night “He told me go home restore friends and family.” So I packed my stuff up, it’s ten months early, I called my buddy Dan, I told him, I said I’m ready to leave now. He said, “Todd is this God.” I said, “I met Jesus and he said, “I’m on my way.” He came and picked me up and that was four and a half years ago and I’ve only known what I’ve known not because I’ve been taught by the church, not because I was raised in the church, but because I have a personal relationship with Holy Spirit.
Sid: Wait, wait tell me about you girlfriend and daughter, what happened there? I’m getting there.
Todd: I came home and my girl friend had come to Christ when I was in Teen Challenge and four days later in the middle of a church service and I got married. And we have been together for, oh she is so amazing…we’ve been together for thirteen, about thirteen and one half years. I have a twelve year old daughter; I have a three year old daughter.
Sid: Now with your twelve year old being raised with a father that was an atheist drug addict, how she turned out?
Todd: Yeah, she actually, God for my wife and four my twelve year old, God has supernaturally erased our past one hundred percent so that there is not even a memory of drug addiction, or atheism in our lives. He supernaturally has grafted into our DNA and I believe that DNA stands for the divine nature of Abba; grafted into our DNA the fact that we’re brand new creation and all things become new and old has passed away.
Sid: Now you have a view different than most Christians I know, you’re shocked if someone isn’t healed when you pray for them.
Todd: That’s right.
Sid: Most Christians are shocked if someone is healed when they pray for them. Ha-ha how come, you’re normal?
Todd: I don’t have any of the upbringings and honestly when I look at the life of Jesus I don’t ever, because Jesus is perfect theology. Whether its Old Testament of New Testament Jesus is perfect theology. So if you can’t see it in the life of Jesus you have a right to question what you’re believing. He’s perfect theology in every way and I never, ever, ever see Jesus coming up with any reason why they weren’t, He only had the reason why they were and why they were. And every time He touched someone, every time it happened minus none. And He told us to walk, in 1st John it says that if any man, it said abide in Him he also aught walk just as He walked.
Sid: Whoa, our time is slipping away.
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dr. Michael Brown. And Michael, when I heard what happened in the White House it was amazing. It was mind blowing to me. Let’s start out with the Stonewall riots. Explain that.
Michael: Okay. It’s on the heels of the counter culture revolution, sexual revolution of the ’60s, 1969, there’s a gay bar that’s raided, Stonewall Inn, and some of the drag queens, they had had it with being arrested all the time and so on. So they decided to fight back and it ended up being full blow riots. The police had to hide for their lives and tried to set the place on fire, police vans attacked. It was ugly riots for a few days. That’s the beginning of what’s called the gay liberation movement or the gay rights movement, traced back to Stonewall. That’s why June is called Gay Pride Month. In fact, our president now has formerly recognized that the last two years as Gay Pride Month and on the 40th anniversary of Stonewall, Sid, remember, these were riots where the police were attacked by drag queens and others. Forty years later, Mr. Obama welcomes 300 gay activists to the White House.
Sid: So that’s almost like the difference between a protester and someone tossing a bomb. I mean, it was violent.
Michael: Yeah. They were angry. They were pent up. They felt years of discrimination. In their viewpoint, we’ve been oppressed, we’ve been discriminated against, time to fight back. The bottom line is there were riots and they were violent. Okay. So President Obama, our president, welcomes 300 gay activists to the White House, June of 2009, and says welcome.
President Obama: Welcome to your White House.
Michael: And assures them that the goals of gay activism will be realized in this administration. And Sid, some of them have happened with the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell in the military, with further push to legalize same-sex marriage across the country with undermining other foundations. Again, just the foundations of human life in society, things are in a precarious position. And I’m in ministry, Sid. We work to get missionaries on the field to reach Jewish people with the Gospel. People say, why deal with this? Well one, out of obedience to God. But two, we have no choice because pastors say, I don’t want to get involved in politics. Forget politics.
Sid: Listen, in churches there are gay couples. And by the way, I would like a gay couple in any church in America, but I would like the pastor to state what the Bible says so someone can repent and get whole.
Michael: Here’s the deal.
Sid: But they don’t say it in churches.
Michael: No, because you don’t want to offend. We’ve gotten this thing, I’d rather save my life for political expediency or to keep my ties to whatever it is than speak the truth. And now, listen, pastors say, I don’t want to get involved with politics. Okay. How about just preaching the Word and saying with love, adulterous practice is sin and drunkenness is sin and any sex outside of wedlock is sin, and homosexual practice is sin, and God has a better way. Why not say that? If we’re afraid to say that, the day will soon come, as is the case in other countries, where you could actually go to jail for preaching against homosexuality.
Sid: Tell me about David Parker.
Michael: David and Tanya Parker, parents of an elementary school kid, Kindergarten, first grade, a little kid, six years old, he goes to school, he comes home with a diversity bag. “Diversity” is the code word normally for gay activism. Comes home with a diversity bag. In it is a book, “Who’s in a Family?” And who’s in a family? Could be mom and dad, could be two moms, could be two dads. So he writes to the school and says, “I have a problem with this being taught without our notification. If this is going to be taught in school…”
Sid: I have a problem with it being taught, period.
Michael: But why is the school teaching this?
Sid: Needless to say, I need notification. Okay. So he says that.
Michael: So they tell him no, you can’t have notification. Well it ends up going to court. And the courts rule and the Supreme Courts refuse to hear the case. So this is law right now. The courts rule it is more important to teach diversity than to honor the requests of the parents. And the superintendent of schools then informs someone else that wrote and requested, and they said, no, no, I guess you don’t know the laws. They said, “But our teachers can teach on this whenever they want, so we couldn’t notify you even if we wanted to.” Plus same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, so what’s the deal?
Sid: Tell me about Julia Ward.
Michael: For people who think we are like Chicken Little running around saying, “The sky is falling,” Sid, in my book, “A Queer Thing Happened to America”, anyone can read it.
Sid: Why did you name it that? That is, you know, what excites someone to be very upset with a title like that.
Michael: Sid, we got “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy”. We’ve got books like “Queering Elementary Education”. We’ve got books on queer theology, queer Bible commentary. I was flying home from California yesterday talking to a lesbian gal. She heard the title of the book. She said, “Why would anyone think that’s offensive?” It’s just that queer is cool these days. So in my book, I document this, Sid, carefully. If we had a hundred hours of TV program, I’d give you a hundred hours of examples. Julia Ward, she’s a mature African-American woman. She’s in a graduate program doing fine in a counseling program in Michigan. And part of what they have to do as interns is they have to counsel people. She’s given a homosexual client and told, you need to affirm this person’s gay relationship. So she goes to her professor and supervisor and says, “You know, I can’t do that as a Christian. What would you recommend that I do?” And they said, well just refer the person to someone else. She said, “I’m happy to counsel them. I just can’t affirm their homosexual relationship as a Christian.” “No problem.” Oh, it became a problem. She was called on the carpet by the university. She was subjected to an inquisition. She was accused of being bigoted and intolerant with her views. She was kicked out of the program, Sid. This woman, Julia Ward, has been kicked out of the university program because she said, “As a Christian, I cannot affirm someone in a homosexual relationship.”
Sid: Something is queer about America. I understand why a secular publisher did not want to publish this book. I don’t understand why a Christian publisher, Christian publishers you approached, it was too hot for them. We’ll be right back. I want to find out can a homosexual be Christian. Is it compatible? Don’t go away.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere that was listening on yesterday’s broadcast can’t wait for Jim Hockaday to continue this story. You see he was teaching healing at Kenneth Hagen’s Rhema‘s Bible College, Coordinator of Prayer and Healing School, and when he first started you told me Jim on yesterday’s broadcast people were dying. No one was getting healed. What was going on?
Jim: It was so terrible and obviously we didn’t advertise that particular part of the ministry at that time or we would have never had anybody come.
Sid: I’m sure.
Jim: But, you know, I was preaching and preaching and preaching and I mean I was a born preacher so it is not as though I stood up and stumbled around. I mean I preached fire and you know fiery messages. But, what I was preaching was a message about you will recover if you will just believe. Now, in one sense there is nothing wrong with that but on the other hand there is no expectation to get anything. And so I went before the Lord and after three months of seeing such failure I said, “Lord now this is what you called me to do. But I have to have success or I can’t go on. So here’s two things that I’ve noticed. 1. Its not the peoples fault; And 2. It’s not your fault. There is only one left and that’s me. If you’ll change me we’ll see the miraculous and from that moment the Lord began to put me on a trail and I began to study the blood covenant and in the blood covenant I began to see that the blood that was shed was God’s signet that if you would trust Him wholeheartedly He would back you up. And the very week that we began to preach that, which was now over into the first of the year of 1995 in January. The very first week miracles began to pop and happen like you can’t believe. I had a tumor disappear under the palm of my hand. We saw ears pop open. We had people jumping up in the middle of the service going “My God the pain’s gone, the pain’s gone.” The arthritis is gone, we had so many things happening that one of the individuals that was a head usher who had been there for six years previous, said in this one week alone. I have seen more happen than in the six years put together.
Sid: What do you do with someone that is in your healing school and they get the revelation it is finished and they rest in that but they haven’t had the manifestation of healing? What about, I’m going to make it even more complex. What about a woman that has a tumor that’s malignant in her breast and she believes what the Bible says with every fiber of her being. She knows that it is finished with every fiber of her being but the symptoms are still there and the doctor says you need chemo and you need surgery. What would recommend this person do?
Jim: Well, alright that’s a good question and I’m going to approach it in a couple of different ways to do it. #1. If you get somebody in the environment of God is flowing. The anointing of God as we know in Proverbs Chapter four Solomon made this statement: To give your attention unto the Lord incline your ear unto His sayings, let them not department from your eyes for they are life to them that find them and health or healing to all their flesh. And that word really means a remedy or a medicine. So if you’re in an environment where the anointing is flowing we would just continue to saturate that body with the anointing until that tumor began to disappear and it would. It’s just a law of spiritual…
Sid: By the way, the anointing has been flowing from the moment you started speaking. So we’re in an environment like that right now. But most people that go to most churches are not in an environment like that.
Jim: No, they’re not and that’s where I’ll say my second point is what we’re teaching people as were working with some of the groups that we’re teaching that we’re actually sending into the hospital to lay hands on the sick. We’re teaching them to become the object of someone’s faith. In other words with that individual, that lady if she said I totally believe that Jesus finished the work for me. I know that I’m healed according to scripture and yet I still don’t seem to have a breakthrough and the tumor disappearing. Then I would step in to become the object of her faith. You say, how would you do that? I would release the anointing on her with my words. And I would probably say something like this. Dear lady in the next 24 hours that tumor will soften and will go down a half of what it is right now. Come back and talk to me tomorrow. Well, what do you mean you would say that? Well, I’m authorized. In other words, Jesus when he spoke in Mark Chapter one. People marveled and said, with such authority this man speaks that we’ve not heard.
Sid: But I always thought that he had heard that specific word and then he would speak it. You’re telling me you’re speaking it from the revelation of the Word.
Jim: Well, that’s exactly right, and so whether it’s a Rhema of the Spirit in other words a spoken word of revelation; or it’s a revelation based on what God’s spoke on someone else. In other words, I get a revelation on what Jesus said. Well it was a Rhema to Him but to me it is the logos. The Word of God it still has the power of the Holy Spirit drenched all over that Word and that’s one of the benefits of having a relationship with the Spirit. When you hear the Word of God the Holy Ghost will take the word and make it so real to your spirit and bring revelation to your mind that when you release the same word that was spoken even in the scriptures it will bring the same result.
Sid: And you know, one of the things I love about the Seminar which actually was taught at Rhema Bible College that were making available this week; the six CDs Seminar entitled “How to develop intimacy with the Holy Spirit,” is you show people how they can be in the presence of God all the time; in the presence of the Holy Spirit all the time moving in the anointing.
Jim: Well, when we have an opportunity like you’ve just mentioned where there’s more than one day involved and you can get in there and not have to be so strict with just the teaching but then the demonstration is available, at that moment when people see someone begin to demonstrate the presence of the Lord, it will make an impact on their heart. In fact, I’ll give you this one real quick little illustration. We were in prayer school one day, and we were singing a song called “Praying the Power Down.” Well it was a nice song, had a nice little beat, and we were singing it; it was the first time we had sang the song. We were kind of wearing the song out after about fifteen minutes of singing the same song. I stepped up the plate form and just had the band stop right in the middle of the people getting ready to sing the next verse. And they all looked at me and I said to them and so how long do we do this until we are sure that at the power is here? And what’s it going to look like when it is? And no one said anything. Now we had three hundred young people, you know three hundred participates. I dare to believe it’s here right now. So I call everyone in this room that’s got a tumor in your body come down here and I’ll demonstrate to you that that power’s in this room. And we had eight people that came down, six of those tumors left instantaneously and the other two people; I wouldn’t let them go until it left and we kept on laying hands on them three or four times until their tumor disappeared as well.
Sid: I believe that when people listen to your Seminar, I mean you have so many suggestions of how to have greater intimacy with the Holy Spirit. I’ll tell you one that you made this suggestion and it just like a light bulb. I had actually moved into the realm of praying in supernatural languages, in tongues with either not thinking about anything or thinking about the business I’m doing during the day, but not really thinking exclusively about the Lord. And what a difference to focus on Jesus when you’re praying in tongues as opposed to doing it mindlessly or just thinking of your laundry list.
Jim: Well, that’s a really good point and I’ll take this moment just to embellish that to say that many times we use our time of prayer in the car because when we are driving alone we got those few moments and we’re just praying the Spirit. But there really is something to be said of having a still time. Be still and know that I’m God where you get alone, and you really can. Just focus on a relationship with Jesus. The more centered it is to have your relationship on Jesus the Messiah and the greater results you’ll always have. And when you begin to acknowledge Him that’s when the Holy Spirit will, one of His jobs is to reveal, transmit or to show Jesus to your life.
Sid: I have got an inclination from the Holy Spirit that on tomorrows broadcast we are going to pray for tumors and these tumors are going to disappear. You have your faith there Jim for that?
Jim: Yes Sir, and do I have just one second to release someone that has congestive heart failure that’s listening and I don’t want you to try to do anything but lift up your arms right now and like a sponge out in a rainstorm just soak this up. That in the wonderful name of Jesus the power of God massages that heart and it becomes normal and it becomes well this day. That testimony will come to this broadcast and it will magnify Jesus our Lord.
Sid: The presence of God is so strong Jim and here’s what you know and I know when you know the truth from the word of God and you are in that presence of God all things are possible for But for the person that said, but I’m not in the presence of God that much. Well you’re in it right now and wait till you get these six CDs on “How to Develop Intimacy with the Holy Spirit. You’ll begin to hear God and you’ll begin to pray more effectively in the Holy Spirit. You’ll literally get a jump start the things of God and the things of the Spirit, you need it. And you’re going to find through this intimacy that all of your five spiritual senses are going to just be activated like never before. But the greatest of all is you’re not going to be working out of a formula. That’s religion. You’re going to be working out of intimacy with God on what He has given to you and as you receive it, you’ll be able to give it to other people. You’ll be empowered to release because of the anointing on t his seminar to release what’s already inside of you.