SID: Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Gary Whetstone.And if you missed what happened to Gary; he was supposed to have an electronic lobotomy.I mean his mind would be reduced to that of a 3 year old, permanent.No chance of reversal.God performed a major miracle in his life.And when you ran out, this is the most amazing thing, when God opened these padlocked doors and you ran out of the mental institution.Those people that don’t know this story will say “Oh Sid you’ve really done it this time;” and you ran out of that mental institution; and you heard a voice that said run; and you followed it.“Run.”But you didn’t have shoes, you didn’t have clothing, and it’s snow out there.What happened?
GARY: Well I remembered when the state police brought me in that there was an area of more trusted mental patients.I just remembered them sitting outside under trees.So I ran over that way and I busted the door open and I screamed out “I’m on a run!” And this was like a solarium area.And you’ve got to picture, 60 mental patients going like this: Run! Run! Run! Run!
GARY: So here we are.This one guy throws his huge blue pea coat over;it’s hanging way down over my arms then they throw these…
SID: Listen,I know Gary.This is for real.Really, trust me.This is for real.I know it sounds like Hollywood, but this is for real!(laughs) Ok, go ahead.
GARY: He gives me these shoes that are size 14.I put them on.Of course you’re not allowed to have shoelaces in a mental hospital.
SID: Of course?How would I know?
GARY: You weren’t there? Anyway, so what happens, I’m walking and I’m having this same thought.The guard at the gate is going to think that I’m insane and I’m escaping; because I had the property of state hospital pants.
SID: You are escaping.
GARY: Well yeah I am, but of course I don’t know I am.I’m just following that word run.So I tucked my beard in, tucked my hair in.
SID: You must have looked wonderful.
GARY: Well I waved to the guard, he opened up the gate.I walked right out of the mental hospital.
SID: How could he do that? Seriously how could he do that?
GARY: You know God had blinded that man’s eyes.They didn’t even know I was gone for a day.
SID: And what happened with this car that hits you?
GARY: There was a woman that… I came right out.I walked right out in the middle of the highway.A car literally, I remember it. I thought… I don’t know what happened.I thought I hit the car.I don’t know what I did but I was on the side and I just kept on running.As it turned out about, oh my goodness, 12 or 15 years later,I’m pastoring a church in Delaware and this lady’s hearing my testimony.She’s one of the parishioners in a church; she said “I was the woman that was driving that car.I worked at the mental hospital that day that you escaped.”And she said “This guy with long red hair, beard, and piercing blue eyes came right up on my windshield.I looked at him, she thought she ran over me; pulled off the side of the road; and God spoke to her do not call the police.He is mine.”
SID: Now there’s something I don’t understand.Did the car actually hit you? Were you injured?
GARY: No, the only thing I know of that car, I had to have gone through that car because I remember seeing her face.She saw mine on the windshield, and the next thing I knew,I was standing on the side of that road;and she was parked,just shaken because she was a State psychologist.She worked at the mental hospital and knew anybody with this shirt on and that hair had to be escaping.
SID: And you explained that you did escape, but you had just become a Christian; your mind that was finished; totally messed up; all of a sudden was clear.
GARY: Totally clear.
SID: Then why did you decide to go back to the mental institution?I wouldn’t go back there for nothing; if they were going to give me a lobotomy and make me a 3 year old.
GARY: I broke into my parents’ house, took whatever money I could, grabbed a van drove down to Florida; went to Ft. Lauderdale because that’s the only thought I had.And I remember standing and while my fake I.D. was coming in; and I was going to be living as a fugitive; and I had this thought: God if you’re real,I want to go back to Delaware, and I want to have a clean mental health bill.I want to be able to live free.And I had this peace just come over me.So I got back in my van I drove back to the state hospital.
SID: Gary, wait a second.Yes,I can under…I’ve had this happen.I can understand what it’s like when the peace of God comes upon you, and you know what? Someone just got healed.Someone that has a pain in their neck;if you’ll move your head you’ll see that that pain, it’s gone completely.But Gary, still you’re human.The human side, you’re going back; they could put shackles on you; they could electronically lobotomize you and you’re a vegetable the rest of your life.Wasn’t the human side of you fearful?
GARY: Sid right now, you feel the strong anointing here.
GARY: There’s no question about it.
SID: Yes, it’s wonderful.
GARY: There’s such power in this ministry time for healing and deliverance.God had his hand on my life and the presence of God overtook all the fear, all the terror.When I knocked on that mental hospital door,I said I want to be in an open psychiatric region.Test me with every test you have.Do not give me any drugs and I’ll prove to you that I’m sane.And right now,I tell you,there’s people…God’s spirit is just… You know.There’s an anointing on your life.God is calling you right now to himself.There’s hearts being healed.I mean it is so powerful to see this rise of anointing.It’s like I could go back to that hospital, know that God had his hand on my life; just like you can be healed right now and know that by his stripes you were healed.
SID: Well come on now.Go for it Gary.Pray for them, pray for them.
GARY: There’s an anointing here.That Spirit of God, I’m telling you, it is powerful.
SID: When this show started you could feel the presence of God.
GARY: Right now, you’re sitting in situations in your life.I have watched God create eyeballs by the hundreds; deaf ears by the thousands.There is no power that is able to stop this anointing of God that is available for you right now.When Jesus purchased you by his blood; and his stripes were beaten onto his back; and upon his head the crown of thorns were thrust; by his stripes you were healed. Right now,I want you to receive this prayer in your body, and the power of the enemy that has wracked you with disease will leave you.Father, in the name of Jesus, we send your word with authority; and we mandate that spirit of infirmity: you’re rebuked.Loose your hold from them right now! I speak to that mental tormentor right now that is on that manic depressive and I command you bound in the name of Jesus; release your hold now! I send this word of God into those tumors and mandate you silence and dissolve! And I thank you Father that the name of Jesus heals and flows right down into those hips. I speak the word of the living God and command creation to come into that hip.There’s a work right now.I’m watching bone come into manifestation because God is a God of creation.This word is for you right now.And there’s those with the knees and the ankles; you can go ahead and get up and walk.The Spirit of God is moving in this show and I’m telling you this anointing is moving in their lives in such a degree.It’s just time for healing; and it’s your time in Jesus’ name.
SID: I must ask you a question;I mean it’s so wonderful this presence of God.It’s like a river; it’s pouring out.It’s God’s gift to you.Whatever you need whatever you need.It’s yours.What you need most of all is to experience his reality and his presence.That’s what you need.Speaking of reality, what did they say after they examined you when you went back to the mental institution?
GARY: They said there was no clinical reason for me to have ever had the insanity; and there was no indication of anything ever being wrong.They thought it was a tumor in my brain, only to find out after they did tests, there was no tumor.
SID: Gary, we’re fighting, in the United States of America in particular, a spirit of fear.You did a study of prayer requests; what percentage of people that had prayer requests was fear behind it?
GARY: There were 80 percent of 2,000 prayer requests I took out of my church; when I went to do a prayer conference in London; and I spent 4 days in prayer; and 80 percent of all of those prayer requests were rooted in fear.
SID: And you know you have an acronym in your book on fear that is wonderful.It’s for the word fear.Would you explain that?
GARY: It’s called false evidence appearing real:F-e-a-r.
SID: False evidence appearing real.Do you know what? I believe a lot of sicknesses and a lot of pain that you have right now is fear: false evidence appearing real.Something stronger than the false evidence: the written word of the living God.Listen, we have to take a commercial break, and who knows what God’s about ready to do? Do you know? I don’t know.
SID: Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with SuzyHarbinson. Angry!And for good cause! She was a child prodigy, she was able to… You’d just sing a song to her and she could play it on her violin and a freak accident, totally numb; couldn’t even hold a glass.And then her husband leaves her.Just angry, hurt, bitter; so a friend of hers says to this nice Jewish girl what you need is Jesus.What did you say to your friend?
SUZY: I don’t need Jesus.But through my anger, actually her sister came over to my house one day.I was taking care of her two sons.Her sister came over and she said you need Jesus in your life; and you’re a sinner and you need to say the sinner’s prayer.Well of course being a non-believer at the time; and wanting to hold onto my own faith I said I’m not a sinner.I’m a good person, but I said the words grudgingly, didn’t really mean it.
SID: You actually said a prayer?
SUZY: I did; basically to get her off my back to get her to leave my house.Take her kids and leave.
SID: But guess what? God heard that.
SUZY: He did.
SID: Even though you didn’t know what you were doing; even though you didn’t believe what you did;God heard that.So you said the prayer and then some very strange prophecies, people speaking on behalf of God, started coming your way; what happened?
SUZY: Very strange that when we do say these words,God takes us at our word; regardless if we believe that what we’re saying at the time is true; or that we had it with our full heart.I believe that if we’re willing to even say the words he’s willing on our behalf and we open up that doorway.And I’ve had many people come to me after that; especially one friend, very close friend of mine.She came to my house one day. I was crying – crying over my husband and she sat down and she prayed with me.And I thought “Oh good; she’s going to pray.Something nice is going to be said.” And I was hoping more for the restoration of my marriage at the time, but what she did say to me was “Suzy,I saw you in God’s throne room and you were playing a violin.”
SID: Wait a second!You hadn’t played the violin in…
SUZY: 15 years.
SID: 15 years.So did she know that you were…?
SUZY: She didn’t know.She did not know.
SID: So how did she know about the violin?
SUZY: She had a vision.She was very sensitive to the Holy Spirit and that built my faith because I didn’t believe.
SID: You had given up.
SUZY: I did and so when Karen, her name is Karen, she prayed for me and she said I saw you in God’s throne room and you were standing there playing a violin.And he said to you “If you take it out,I will restore.” My mouth dropped to the floor.And I said who would say such a thing? Who would know about that other than God? So I started to question and I didn’t want to be obedient and take that violin out.I was still angry and actually when I finally did bring it out of the closet…
SID: Had you taken it out at all for 15 years?
SUZY: No, no; not at all.
SID: Why’d you even keep it?
SUZY: Because, maybe somewhere deep down I thought if I can’t play it, maybe someday my little girl will play it.And I held on to it.Maybe some hope deep down that something would happen.
SID: So you took the violin; describe that to me.
SUZY: I took it out of my bedroom closet and I opened it up.Of course the strings were not in tune; had been sitting there for 15 years; and still had rosin all over the strings.I took it out and I started to plunk on it with my fingers.And I said “No, no I can’t play.”But other friends that I knew; especially this one man and his wife who became surrogate parents to me;Christian parents to me, they prodded me into taking that violin and practicing.And I held this man in high regard so I listened to him.And he gave me those words he said “God will restore everything that the enemy took from you.The devil took,God will restore.”So little by little, I tuned up the violin.I started to play it a little and I thought “Oh this is awful.”I couldn’t even wrap my fingers around the fingerboard.And just to hold the thing, the violin in my hands it was tiresome; hadn’t touched it in 15 years.
SID: What did it sound like?
SID: I imagine if you couldn’t touch the…
SUZY: Couldn’t, right.I couldn’t wrap my fingers around;I couldn’t make a motion like this… my fingers.I couldn’t make a fist.I can make a fist now.I have a ball of scar tissue that had just grown under the skin.It wasn’t flat.It was a big ball that kept me from making a fist.I couldn’t feel anything and I know I couldn’t feel.I have a scar that goes from here down.
SID: Well the doctor said that if you don’t feel anything after 2 years forget it!It’s been 15…
SUZY: You’ll never feel.
SID: What happened next?
SUZY: Oh,I was asked to come over to Jerry and Sue St. James house; these are my surrogate parents.And they said why don’t you bring your violin?And I reluctantly said ok.
SID: I’m amazed you brought it.
SUZY: I almost didn’t but I really respected these people.And I was also searching at that time and thinking well you know what?If Jesus, who they say is the creator and he heals.If he’s real then I want to find out.So I brought my violin to their house.Now they live in a little home that has water, a little river down the hill.And I brought my violin down there because Sue said take it down there.It’s nice and quiet you can set up your violin and play.And I had a little boom box and I would do this.I would take CDs; anything I had, put them in and try to play to it.Now this in time frame would be; from the time my girlfriend had the vision;I would say this was about 3 months afterwards.And I took the violin out and I started to play.And it was not nice.I stopped playing and I could hear Sue say from up top of the hill say “Keep playing.You’re not finished yet.I don’t hear you.”So I continued to play.And as I held that violin,Ijust said “Dear God, if you are the true God in my life, if you want to heal me,I’m open.I want to be healed.I would love nothing more than to play my violin.
SID: Hold that thought.We’ll pick up right there when we come back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Peggy Joyce Ruth. And I am just overwhelmed over that Thanksgiving miracle. But I mean, you have lived in your own family so many miracles. No wonder that you got that 91st Psalm so deep inside of you and the teaching is so rich on the 91st Psalm. Tell me about your niece, Julie.
PEGGY: My niece was 10 years old and she was thrown from a horse and hit her head on a large rock. Well by the time we got to the larger city where they had taken her they wheeled her bus and I didn’t recognize her. I didn’t even, her head had swollen and the doctor immediately told us that she would not live through the night. Well my brother said, “We have a covenant, a Psalm 91 covenant.” And he said, the doctor said, “Well don’t even try to expect her to live because she will be brain damaged. She will have loss of eyesight. The bone behind her ear is completely crushed. She will not be able to hear.” And my brother turned to us and said, “I have a covenant with Psalm 91 and my daughter will be fine and she will not have brain damage.” In seven days Julie walked out of that hospital, no brain damage, no loss of eyesight, no loss of hearing, and it was a miracle.
SID: And no fair for you as you begin to understand the covenant that you have. Tell me about that woman where the rapist come into her apartment.
PEGGY: Yes. That was Julie Patty and she lived in Fort Worth, Texas. She was getting ready for church. Someone knocked on her door. She just assumed it was one of her friends. She opened the door and this man ran in and grabbed her and took her into the bedroom, and he was prepared to rape her. And she started confessing Psalm 91, and he would just kind of lose his focus, and she said he would just kind of shake his head like he couldn’t figure out what was happening. And this went on for 45 minutes, and she kept confessing Psalm 91. And he would attack her again and he would lose his focus. And one of those times she was able to get out the door. And he had raped many, many women this way. She was the only one that he had not been able to rape and because of Psalm 91.
SID: How does Psalm 91 work with terminal diseases? Like tell me about the woman that had lupus.
PEGGY: Yes, Rene. She’s a good friend of mine. And when she went to the hospital they told her that she had less than three months to live. They told her to go home and get your affairs in order. Well I tell you what, she started quoting Psalm 91, but yet she was getting worse by the day. And the doctor said, “This is gonna happen. You’re gonna get worse and worse until you just pass away.” And she said, “No. I’ve got a Psalm 91 covenant.” And it took months. She did confess this covenant for months. But gradually she started turning around. Her kidneys started functioning again. Her liver began to function again. She got completely well. The doctor finally said, “I can’t explain this, but you have no lupus working in your body.” That was 10 years ago. She went with me to the Philippines about two years ago and we went over and got to witness to the people over there, and it was just wonderful to see her so vibrantly going for God.
SID: Peggy Joyce, for over 35 years you have been studying the 91st Psalm. You have seen person after person rescued out of disaster by this 91st Psalm, starting with yourself. I mean, you must be one grateful person. Would you teach one or two lines from Psalm 91 right now?
PEGGY: Yes, I’ll be happy to. I love Psalm 91, every bit of it. But Verses 5 and 6 are so special because it covers every evil known to man. It talks about, first of all, the terror by night, which includes all of the evil that comes through what another person can do to harm you. It talks about the errors that fly by the day, all of the assignments of the enemy. Then it talks about the pestilence, all the sickness and disease. And then last, it talks about destruction, and that takes in all of the natural disasters, the hurricanes and the tornadoes, and the car wrecks. And it says, “That a thousand will fall at your side, 10,000 at your right hand. But if you dwell in the shelter and believe God’s word,” it says, “it will not approach you for any purpose.” That’s a tremendous promise.
SID: This is God’s promise to you. With long life you will be satisfied. Satisfied. Why? Because God loves you and you have become a disciple, a student of God’s word, and you have a relationship with God, and the relationship begins by telling God that you are sorry for all the mistakes you’ve made. I actually met people that said, “I didn’t make any mistakes.” Oh, you never stole anything? You never lied? You never looked at pornography? You never had sex outside of marriage? You never were addicted to anything? No, no, I wasn’t. Well that’s wonderful. How about if you compare yourself with pure love. Have you been pure love? Of course not. God is love. Compared to God you’re filthy. Repent your sins. Tell Him you’re sorry and believe that the blood of Jesus washes away your sins and then when you’re clean God promises to come live inside of you. Say that out loud and I promise you He promises you with long life you will be satisfied.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, John Paul Jackson; you would be too if this had happened to you. What it you were a successful business person and all of a sudden you hear a woman on the radio. You find out that she’s from Israel; you find out that she was told to come to America to look for one particular person. You find out that a man walks up to her in the airport, she was told to just go to the airport in Tel Aviv and someone will buy your ticket. A man walks up, gives her the money, the exact money to buy a ticket to the United States. She comes to the United States. The person that normally does the radio show was called out of town for three days. She gets on the radio and she says she is looking for someone that’s running from God’s call in the field of dreams. John Paul hears her and starts praying that the right young man will call her because several called and she said, well I’m sure you have a gift but you’re not the one that I am looking for. And then, what did you hear in your spirit John Paul Jackson?
John Paul: I heard the Lord say to me He said call in, so I called the radio station. You know, I put a fleece out there that said if it is You, I want to bypass the switch board who is putting everybody on hold, cause there’s lots of calls coming in. I want to go straight into the control room. I’ll know that it is you and I thought that settles the issue, I won’t have to talk to anybody now. (Laughing as he shared)So I called the radio station and I was pulling the phone away from my ear for I know that I was going to hear a voice thank you for calling KBTV would you hold please? Instead I heard thank you for calling KBTV you’re live on the air and I was so caught off guard, I didn’t know what to say Sid. I was stuttering, stammering stumbling around and finally they said, “Can we help you?” I said well, “Can we help you young man I said yes, “When I’m close to God I have dreams and visions that come true and I know things before they happen or when I’m not close to God, I know nothing. That’s all I did. I was just supposed to call in. She goes, what took you so long? What took you so long? What do you mean? You’re the young man. I go “No I’m not, I’m not the young man.” She said, “Yes you are.” I said, “No really I’m not, I’m in the corporate world. I’m very happy in the corporate world. I don’t think that God has not really called me into the ministry. And she said, listen to you, you are already arguing with God. Listen to you. And I said well, I just don’t know what to do. And she said, He will show you what to do, you’re the young man He sent me here for. I said,” how do you know?” She said, “The same voice that said to me “Get up and go to the airport; there will be a man that will give you money, the same voice that said go to Dallas, Texas; go to this radio station; the same voice that said, you’re the young man; and you are the young man. Sid that changed my life.
Sid: That’s just a dramatic a call into ministry as I have ever heard. With all that you have taught, especially with the insight you have into dreams and understanding them. The insights you have into the last days, though we were talking it on Mondays broadcast. Why are you putting such an emphasis these days on your CD and DVD set called “Called Keys to Receiving God’ Justice?”
John Paul: I had an encounter in a dream, sometimes you don’t know whether it was a dream or vision, I just say, I had an encounter and in that the Lord began to talk to me about His names. And one of the names that He emphasized to me was Jehovah Mish Bat.
Sid: You know you don’t, you hear emphasis on a lot of His names but that’s not one that I personally hear a lot of emphasis on.
John Paul: No, it’s not and it came as a total surprise to me.
Sid: What does that mean exactly?
John Paul: He is the righteous judge and he wants to give justice to all who believe in him and he wanted, He told me that justice is not being served. And he told me that my foundation is built on justice and righteousness and if any one of those two are not in operation, His throne would topple. And it’s available. Righteousness and justice is available for anyone who would call upon His name. And He began to ask me and He didn’t tell me the answer. He began to say, I want you to look this up. Look this up. Look at this verse and look at this verse and look at this passage and look at this passage. So I began to do that and he’d lift it from me and I began to do that and then periodically I had the witness of the Holy Spirit saying, you need to tell this message because in the events that are going to be coming upon the world, justice will still be served in my people.
Sid: You know, if someone were to read or see your special DVD on the “Perfect Storm” they could get very fearful and I believe this is why God has given you this new message.
John Paul: Yes it is. Yes, it is a message that says, in the midst of whatever is going to come your way, hardship or lack of hardship. All the facets of the five issues of the Perfect Storm or one of the issues of the five issues of the Perfect Storm, justice will still be served to God’s children. If they call and ask Him for justice they have to ask for justice to be served Him.
Sid: So I can understand this, you say that people have had things stolen from them or from their ancestors that God wants to demonstrate justice in. Give me an example of things that might have been stolen.
John Paul: Well, for example there was property that was stolen from a young woman from her great grandfather and this property was several million dollars. The stealing of that property was an injustice it was illegally taken through a court system and a human court system where a district attorney was paid off. And so she ends up crying out for justice, her and her husband end up crying out for justice for the theft of this property because; here’s what we may not understand that if curses are passed down to the third and fourth generation. Curses are the antithesis of blessings. Blessings are passed down to the third and fourth generation as well. And if you’re robbed of the blessing that was to be passed down to your children and your children’s children or your seed’s seed, as the scripture says, Isaiah says then you experience an injustice and it may have happened to your great grandfather but at the same time your suffering repercussions from the injustice that were perpetrated on that relative. She began to realize this, heard me talking about this. She began to pray, her and her husband began to pray for restoration. What had happened was she had property deal after property deal fall through. She had had contracts that were voided or bankruptcies of the people that were suppose to buy a piece of commercial property she had and everything just falls through. So she begins to pray for justice and the next three land deals pieces of land that she had for sale sold within a thirty day period and she was able to buy a piece of land at like one third the price and sell it for ten percent over the actual price. They got into a bidding war over one of her properties and she sold it for ten percent more the appraisal price was and t that was after praying for God’s justice. They prayed everyday for the justice of God to be served.
Sid: Now, I’m trying to find out John Paul how inclusive this message is. For instance, let me ask you a few questions. What if someone’s husband has divorced them or wife has divorced them, to me that is an injustice. Would that be in that category?
John Paul: That would be in the category as well.
Sid: What about if children are in drugs?
John Paul: That would be in that category as well. You have two issues Sid. Here is the general dividing line. You have intrusion and invitation. The evil one can intrude in our lives or we can invite him into our lives. If we can invite him into our lives, there is no justice due to our lives.
Sid: Who would invite the devil into our lives?
John Paul: Well if I walk up to somebody and kill somebody and I go to jail, I’m not due justice over that issue.
Sid: I got you.
John Paul: And in fact I did get justice, I got thrown in jail.
Sid: (laughter) But, there is so much injustice, how about the area of sickness. If what Jesus did for us, it is not just that a believer be sick.
John Paul: Right exactly, it is not just that sickness, illness, deformity; any type of mental illness, emotional illness any of those things. Bipolarizm, schizophrenia nature, there all injustices and justice is due to the person having them and or the children of those people.
John Paul: I see why you get pretty excited over this teaching because you actually teach people how to implement God’s plan for justice in their life. But you also talk about that it is not a one for one, you use the analogy in your teaching if someone had a one ton attack in their life then they should get a one ton anointing. But you say, and when they understand these principles they get a seven ton anointing.
John Paul: Yes, it’s as equal to a settlement for pain and suffering because, you would think that Satan hit me with a one ton attack or well use that as the metaphor. If he hit me with a one ton attack justice would be that I get a one ton anointing, but you don’t take into account the pain you suffered. You don’t take into account the life style that was injured. You don’t take into account disability issues that may have been there in one form or another.
Sid: Is it an injustice that we don’t see believers, normal believers walking around normally praying for people and seeing miracles? That’s not normal in America.
John Paul: And it should be and I think justice is part of that Sid, I believe that if we would recognize that justice is due we can say, God this illness is an injustice on this person and I pray that you, Jehovah Mish Bat would implement Your Name into this person’s life and that your justice would been seen in the Name of Yeshua we speak justice into this body and removal of any injustice in the Name of the Lord.
Sid: Woops, our time has slipped away John Paul. Mishpochah I want you to get this two disk set, one CD and one DVD called “Keys to Receiving God’s Justice.” And then a bonus CD it’s called “Naturally Supernatural” and you are going to be so amazed because in Birmingham, England there was a display of the Supernatural and you can hear people’s reaction the anointing is so strong.
Sid: I’ve got a man that can’t help but be red hot for the Messiah. His name is Pastor John Kilpatrick and your probably familiar with him because he shepherded the great Father’s Day Revival 1995 Pensacola, Florida. Over four million people came from all over the world. People’s lives were transformed and back sliders came back. Pastor John, I remember the most amazing stories about playboy bunnies that showed up at that church. But, I tell you the one that is my favorite, my absolute favorite and that is that Orthodox Jewish man that had the brain tumor. Tell me about that.
Pastor John: He came down from Atlanta and he had a brain tumor almost the size of a baseball in his head and he went to his doctor and he said may I take a trip to Florida and his doctor said absolutely not. And he said, well am I dying? He said, yes you are. Well, what could hurt me going down there if I’m dying anyway? So the doctor released him and he came down here and when they brought him down here. And when they brought him in I remember, I met him about 5:30 in the evening and he was so dizzy that the tumor had made his equilibrium so messed up. His eyes were vibrating side to side he couldn’t even look at you without his eyes vibrating from side to side. He was nauseated, he was sick, he was vomiting and I remember I went up and just talked to him a little bit and the doors were going to open in about fifteen or twenty minutes and so when they opened, I told them to go ahead and bring him on in and just let him be there when the service started at 7:00. And usually, back in those days whenever the Spirit of God would start moving in healing it would feel like the sun would come out on a cloudy day. You know like you feel the sun come out and you can feel it on your exposed skin like your ears and your head and the back of your hands and all that. Well, we would be worshipping and the Spirit of God would begin to move in the place and if He was going to heal it would feel like the sun would come out. And me and Steve would not usually say anything about it to everybody because we didn’t want to draw their attention to the sign of what God was doing but whenever we would feel that we would know that healings were taking place. All of a sudden this man stood up out of his wheelchair and he said, oh my God I’m healed and he just jumped up out of the wheelchair. Now this is an old man and I went over there to him and I looked at him, his eyes had stopped vibrating from side to side and to make a long story short they took him back to Atlanta. He walked into the doctor’s office and the doctor’s mouth flew open and he said what in the world. Well, I went to Florida to that revival like I told you I was going to and I want you to do a MRI. The doctor said absolutely not. I know what your MRI looks like from the last time. He said forget the insurance I’ll pay for it, cash out of my own pocket. I want another MRI. They did another MRI and his brain tumor was completely gone. He was so impacted by that healing now, this was an Orthodox Jew. He brought 30 some odd Jews with him back on Sunday to the service at Brownsville and they were saved and filled with the Holy Spirit every single one of them before they went back home on that Sunday back to Atlanta. And like the evangelist says here at this revival miracles are usually God’s dinner bell for souls. So God heals people.
Sid: See, it’s my belief that when Jewish people see the authentic Jewish people, you may not know this John but they are the highest percentage of the leaders in the various cult groups and new age groups are Jewish people. Because the scriptures say we have a zeal for God but not according to knowledge. Now I have a theory and I want you to tell me whether you agree with this or not, Pastor John and that is that the reason God has entrusted this revival to you is that you have certain ingredients that are right. Here are some of the ingredients that I observe from the last revival entrusted to you. You preach holiness. There seems to be a specially this younger generation, they don’t discriminate in the movies they see. They don’t discriminate the dress. They don’t discriminate on sin issues there’s a lack of holiness that has occurred and many of them, their hungry for God but the holiness is missing. Then you have it right on Israel, you understand God’s prophetic destiny for Israel and you have a heart for Jewish people to come to know the Messiah. You’ve been your whole walk in the Lord you have understood the dimension of prayer and worship is key. I believe these are…if you pull any of these out you wouldn’t have the great revival that God has started again. That’s what I believe.
Pastor John: A tragedy is, as you well know Sid, a tragedy is so many churches now believe in replacement theology. They believe that the church has replaced Israel. I’ve never believed that. I was raised by a Pastor that brought me up and sired me up in God. He was my mentor to love and respect Israel. There is not a Sunday that goes by, not one that we don’t pray for Jerusalem. There is not a service goes by in this revival each week that we don’t pray for Israel and Jerusalem at least once. When churches by into that replacement theology they don’t really realize it but it grieves the Holy Spirit. And I believe that worship is important like you said in revival and I believe that preaching holiness is important. If people don’t hear holiness preached from behind the pulpits of America they are certainly not going to hear it on the evening news.
Sid: There has to be a distinction between a believer and a non believer and when I look at this generation of kids, of young people that are coming to the Lord and I see that the dimension of holiness, there’s no difference between them and the world. How are they going to be lights in darkness when darkness surely will be here soon? If they dress like everyone else, they have the tattoos that everyone else has. They have the earrings that everyone else has. They go to the same movies, you can’t tell the difference.
Pastor John: I can’t tell you about every pastor cause I’m not every pastor but I will say this, if the pastor does not have a prayer life he’s not going after God. And if he doesn’t have a relationship of intimacy with the Lord, when he gets up behind that pulpit, he is not going to preach holiness. He is going to try to cater to that crowd. He’s going to try to develop a seeker sensitive mentality.
Sid: What is going on with the young people to me that’s the bottom line at your church? What is going on with young kids, the teenagers?
Sid: Is it true, John that doctors’ are sending their patients there?
Pastor John: Absolutely, they are. They absolutely are, from different states even and they are telling their patients that there is nothing further that I can do for you but I know where there is a revival going on. I’d like for you to go down there and see what will happen. It’s amazing what is happening to those patients. You know, there are times that God heals people instantaneously and then there are times that people start getting better by being in this atmosphere. They just start getting better, I could you name you so many cases right now where people are better and better and better and better this day, that day, the next day, this week.
Sid: Alright, our time is slipping away, we are going to talk about that on tomorrow broadcast but Mishpochah I am privileged to make available to you a three CD series called ”Mysteries Revealed”. And from what I understand a Pastor John, is that you heard the voice of God and He said to you all mysteries will be revealed before I return and then he instantly downloaded this teaching to you. Why do you believe now, it is happening? I just got back from a trip and I was so tired and the Lord spoke that to me and I mean I didn’t know what my sermon was to be and the Lord said out of the blue said, tell my people that before my coming all mysteries will be revealed because in Heaven they’ll be no mysteries. And the Lord is now beginning to show His people things in dreams he speaks to His people in their sleep, it is called night vision where God gives His people, He shows them secrets, He reveals secrets to them. God revealed secrets to Daniel; it’s not the first time it has ever happened but this time in our dispensation God is still revealing secrets, unraveling mysteries and giving witty inventions even. The Lord is giving witty inventions for the people to prosper in these days. He’s showing them things to do and showing them things not to do. When they wake up they know that God has spoken to them. And everywhere we travel I’m asking the question, “How many of you, your sleep patterns have changed?” Hands go up every service. Almost every hand in the congregation goes up when peoples sleep patterns are being changed. God’s speaking to his people. Even the lay people, not just prophets but you know just common people that attend churches that loves the Lord, God’s speaking to them and showing them things.
Sid: And the thing that I love is part of what was down loaded to you is that God showed you that he doesn’t reveal his secrets to His servants. He reveals his secrets to his friends and then you teach what was down loaded to you of how you can move from a servant to a friend. What I’m seeing is when people listen to this three CD series titled “Mysteries Revealed” it sort of accelerates their move from servant hood to friendship and hearing God.
Pastor John: Well, I can tell you this people are morphing. They are moving from servant mentality, working for the Lord and then morphing into a friendship relationship with the Lord. God’s getting us ready for His coming and He’s speaking to His people like never before. And I believe that this is the hour, this is the time right now. When I first started preaching this…
Sid: Well no not, hold that thought, “Mysteries Revealed” three CDs.