Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah. He formerly, Mark Gabriel, was a professor of Islamic History at the most prestigious Islamic university in the world. He holds a doctorate degree in Islamic Studies. He’s explaining why there are over 1 billion people on this planet that are followers of Islam. We were talking on yesterday’s broadcast about the strategy as outlined by the life of Mohammed in the Quran, and these are the 3 stages of Jihad. The Jihad is a holy war and most people here in the west do not understand that the only form of assurance that a Muslim will go to heaven is to die in a Jihad, or die as a martyr. Is that true Mark?
Mark: Yes absolutely it’s true.
Sid: That kind of explains why so many people are willing to be suicide bombers because that’s the only way they know for sure that they’re going to go to heaven. Now you explained on yesterday’s broadcast the 3 stages of Jihad in a nation, and you can see it happening in England they’re a little further progressed than in the United States. The first is called the Weak Stage, where they’re small minority and they submit to the laws of the United States and they work to increase their numbers. Then comes the second stage which is the Preparation Stage and explain that to me.
Mark: The second stage, Preparation Stage which means the Muslim community they must prepare themselves for taking over the assistance in the county wars which they living there. For example, like in England or in America they must prepare themselves money, prepare themselves whippings, trainings, establishing secret military, or a secret group so that they can start practicing Jihad, you see take over the country. This second stage was presented by the life of Mohammed when he immigrate from Mecca to Medina and he spend only 1 year in Medina preparing himself and after he had the success to reconcile the most 2 Arab tribes that were fighting each other for almost more than 40 years called the Aust tribe and the Kedarish tribe and when they reconciled by Mohammed himself they was converted to Islam. This is how his number was increased so extremely in the first year in Medina. He established his power and he start again the Jewish community and the other Arabic tribes practicing what you call Jihad. So this is the second stage, the Stage of Preparation, which means the first year which Mohammed had been in Mecca.
Sid: Okay then looking at Mohammed’s life what do Muslims call the third stage?
Mark: The third is called the Stage of Action.
Sid: Explain that.
Mark: The third of action which means the third of practicing Jihad as follows, or the fighting itself by starting a war fighting the non-Muslims. Mohammed started that the first time in Medina when he decide to hijack Arabic Meccan caravan was coming to Mecca. So nobody attacks him, no one came and tried to destroy him in Medina, but when he finished preparing his military and his power, and he start the third stage which means action. He takes his military from Medina to a valley called Badr between Mecca and Medina, and he hijack a caravan for the Meccan idol worshipper people.
Sid: Now why is it that radical Islam is so upset with the United States?
Mark: Yes because the United States presenting the most powerful country in the world today. United States dominating the entire world by the American system, by the American culture, by the American media, by the American politics, and America presented the political system called Democracy. Democracy America is working hardly to present this system to every or each country that is specific to the third world countries, and to establish freedom and democracy. Democracy according to the Islamic law and the Islamic theology it’s something like evil, it’s against Islam totally. Muslim’s like Bin Laden, like the Muslim’s… orthodox Muslims, any Muslim who understand Islam very well he does not believe in democracy or in westernize the world by the western system, or political system. The Islamic law requires Muslims to go and fight till the end for one goal, to let the Islamic system rule the entire world.
Sid: Let me ask this question, there are many Muslims in the United States of America that it is true they are peace loving. There are many Muslims in the United States of America that love America they don’t want to see America destroyed. So who are we talking about? I mean if they’re so peace loving why… according to your book if anyone follows the Quran they can’t be peace loving, so how come there’s this difference?
Mark: You’re talking now Sid, you’re talking about nationalism. Islam does not believe in nationalism, Islam does believe the entire airs does belong to Allah and belongs to Islam. What you talk about these Muslims here in America they loving America, they care for America. America is not all… Muslims are not all the same here in the United States there is a different type of Muslim here. I can assure you that the secular Muslims who run away from the dictatorship and the persecution of the Middle East and the Islamic countries and came to the United States to look for a better future, better job, better education these people I do agree with you they will not agree, or they will not… or they are loving America and they do not want anyone to hurt America. But there are Muslims committed, Muslims living here in America the people who are running the Muslim schools, the people who are running the Muslim centers, and running the Islamic mission activity, these people actually they are… does not believe in the same way of the other secular Muslims.
Sid: But yet on television I see many of these Imams come on and they talk about just the verses in the Quran that are peace loving, are they lying to us?
Mark: Absolutely we come again to the same question you asked me before, “Does Islam ask Muslims to lie or allow Muslims to lie?” Yes for the benefit of Islam. This Imam that was standing and speaks in that way they was afraid that the Islamic image would be destroyed in America if they were to present the true teaching of Islam.
Sid: You know time is slipping away… But I’ll tell you the most important question on my heart Mark. I go to New York City a lot and jump in a taxi and in most instances they’re Muslim taxi drivers. I get into a conversation with them about Jesus and about the Quran, and about the Bible. I say “Listen, I’m Jewish I’m also a believer in Jesus and you’re Muslim we all believe in the Torah, the first 5 books of Moses.” Then I start reasoning with them and they say “Oh no your Bible us mistranslated.” Why do they believe that because our Bible predates their Quran, their bible? I mean so how could they say that? Then when I say that to them then they say “Yes but someone’s changed it.” But they don’t know about the Dead Sea Scrolls that proves that no one’s changed it, but you can’t win through logic. So what can I say to that Muslim cab driver that I want him to know Jesus? God loves him as much as he loves every Jew on the face of this earth. God loves Muslims. I know this, you know this, God knows this, so how can we share?
Mark: Amen. Sid I was one like this people before I meet with Jesus. They’re actually are deceived by the Quranic verses who accused the Jews and the Christians that they were changed and corrupted their books. But the way actually to speak with this people to show them the truth just to win them by logic, but sometimes we can’t use the logic. We can say that the only source for the student of Abraham and the student of the prophets of God is the Bible it’s specific to the Old Testament. Yes the Quran does speak and mention about Abraham and about the prophets, but from where does the Quran bring that information? How does Mohammed catch all this information, from where does he get that? So there was our only source in the world today to know about the life of Abraham, hence the Bible there is no other book.
Sid: I’ll tell you our time is up.