Its Supernatural

Our Guest James Durham

As I share a testimony with you it’s a spirit of prophecy for God to release those things in you. Begin to sense the sweet fragrance of the Holy Spirit. And then suddenly there were fragrances in the room that smelled like, I don’t know if you like these things or not, but like you know when you open the oven and there’s a chocolate cake in there cooking (laughing) and that “shooo” (breathing in) oooh, chocolate! (laughing) You know what I’m talking about? There’s angels that came in the room that smell like that chocolate. I said oh, angel, come over here, come over here. You can sit next to me. And some of them smell like cookies and all kinds of sweet things. You know when we used to sing “There’s a Sweet, Sweet Spirit in This Place” and I think the writer of the song knew what he was talking about, or she, I’m not sure who wrote it.

But there is a sweetness of the spirit that God wants you to experience. A sweet, sweet spirit in this place and the Spirit is bringing to you all of the things that God releases from the kingdom of heaven. Amen? You know the Bible says that the Lord tastes good. Right? Taste and see that the Lord is good. And the word of God tastes sweet on our lips like honey. And I think God wants to activate that sense of taste that we begin to taste more and more of His presence and know God is here! I can taste it! You know in the Seder Meal at Passover at one point you’re told to break off a big piece of matzah. Well when I first started eating matzah I thought this tastes like cardboard. (laughing) Yeah, I had to develop a little bit of a taste for it.

But it says in that service that you’re supposed to take this big piece and you’re supposed to savor the flavor of the matzah. And so I started chewing that and I was doing my best to savor the flavor of cardboard. Hahahahaha! (starts imitating chewing) You know I’m working on this big piece of matzah and I’m working on it and all of a sudden it tasted sweet. It was like it changed in my mouth and it became such a sweet, sweet flavor. And I love to do that now. I love to have matzah for communion    and I always take a big chunk of that you know and I start chewing on it and I’m going to chew on it until it gets sweet because it represents the bread of heaven, it represents the word of God. And those are sweet, sweet things that we need to take into us and savor the flavor. Well I believe God is trying to wake up our spiritual senses that we’ll begin to feel that way about the word of God. You know I love the word of God.

I can’t wait when I go to bed at night I’m thinking oh man, first thing in the morning I’m going to get up and I’m going to get the Bible open I’m going to start reading the word of God. And sometimes it’s hard to sleep I’m getting too excited. Too excited because in just a little while I’m going to be back in the word of God and I’m going to savor the flavor and let the sweetness of God just fill my whole body. Amen? Well God wants you to also feel the things of the kingdom. And God has so many different kinds of anointing for “feelers.” For you to feel the presence of angels. For you to feel the kind of gifts that He’s releasing. In fact before I came in here I started feeling something. God has given me this place on my body. It’s right here. That when I begin to feel something moving there, some kind of energy there, it means that healing angels have been sent. And they have been sent into this room. And I began to see in the Spirit many, many healing angels. And when I see angels I speak to the angel.

Title Our Guest Guillermo Maldonado

GUILLERMO: Well, that’s the question. Can we bring it? Well, you can’t bring God into now without revelation. And if we got information nothing’s going to happen. So the reason we need the supernatural is the supernatural demonstrates God in the now. Number 2, the reason we need the supernatural is because of the impossible circumstances that we face. In other words, there’s some things in life that you will face that will take a miracle. Do you have anything that you need now, need a miracle? Your finances? Your marriage? You need a miracle, so we need a miracle. Number 3, if we know why do we need the supernatural? I can tell you. It proves that Jesus is alive now! Every time we demonstrate the supernatural… I was ministering in Argentina, and this little girl, 9 years old came to me—and her mother said to me “can you pray for my daughter?” And I said what’s wrong with her? And she said, “Well, she was born without one eye.” And I said, Well, I tell one of my leaders, I said you can pray for her, because I’m not the only one, I said you can do it. And he pray[ed] for the little girl and [in front of] my eyes the Lord created a new eye ball. So that is bringing God here and now. Now the person that prayed is not a bishop, is not a reverend, honorable—you know, he was a normal person. So this is for you too. Can I hear an “amen”?

AUDIENCE: Amen!

GUILLERMO: This is for you too. You need to step out. So now, why we need the supernatural? Because— all the promises of God are based on 2 things. The previous knowledge, advanced knowledge of God and the ability to do what He promised. In other words, every promise that God has made you and me it takes a miracle to do what he promised. There are things in your life— I built a temple for 27 million dollars. I didn’t have anything, nothing. It took a miracle to raise 27 million dollars. And God did it. So what happened? Well, God promised me. He said I want you to build me a temple debt free. Whatever He has promised you it will take a miracle. Otherwise, if God didn’t say it you can do it on your own. But that is not supernatural. Supernatural is something that you will say is above and beyond. God has called you in the power of the resurrection to live a life above and beyond. You need to raise up above your circumstances. You need to raise up above your problems, your sickness, your diseases, c’mon put your hands together and give him a big praise!

AUDIENCE: (CLAPPING) Yay, yay—

GUILLERMO: God is raising you up above your circumstances, your sickness, above cancer, beyond cancer. He’s a supernatural God. You cannot conform with religion. Religion cannot do anything. See that’s the difference between kingdom and religion. Any religion cannot bring God into now. They will speak to you about historical God. But they cannot bring God into the now. Can you prove that Jesus is alive? Now, so you know why in Argentina God said to me pray for that little girl, because He said because I want you to demonstrate that I am alive now. I step out in faith. So this is the thing. So why the supernatural. Because I told you, there’s promises of God that will take a miracle. It will be impossible to accomplish, to do what He promised you without a miracle. Can I hear an “amen”? Now—let me finish and then I minister. We understand God cannot be seen outside of being supernatural. It’s an insult to God. He is above—in other words, if you put God as natural you are limiting God. Religion, Christian religion, because among those Christians there’s some religious people, have told you and have taught you to limit God. God is above the laws of nature, God is above any circumstance. God is above. But in our mind we’ve been taught to limit God. So I’m going to announce something today: Take the limits out of God. I’m going to say it again: Take the limits out of God! Whatever He has promised you He will do. He has promised you to heal your body He will do. He will promise you He will bring your kids home back, He will do. It doesn’t matter what [it] takes, [if] he had to move mountains He will do it—

Our Guest Art Thomas

ART: The Bible says that when one sinner comes to repentance heaven rejoices more than a thousand righteous people. Right, I mean we’re talking a handful of you. More than, more than one. There’s got to be some crazy party going on in heaven. Our little applause didn’t do it justice but this is awesome. And you have now become part of the family of God. That is far greater than any decision you’ve ever made in your life and so I’m really glad to call you my brothers and sisters. Now here’s what we’re going to do for healing. We’re going to see some people healed. And now you’ll have even less of a worry for you know unbelievers laying hands on you. Right? We just cleared ‘em out. All right. Here we go. So if you can put your hands up again if you need healing.

Those of you who are around these with their hands up I want you if you’re behind them just stretch forward. Even if your hands up you can be part of ministering to someone in front of you cause you got two hands unless you don’t in that case that’ll be an amazing miracle. All right. That was a joke. You can laugh at that. All right. So right now all we’re going to do— Our temptation is to pray and ask God to do it. But He commanded us to heal the sick. And throughout scripture, throughout the Gospels, throughout the Book of Acts you never find someone asking the Father to heal the person in front of them. They always just laid hands, spoke of a word of authority. So that’s what we’re going to do. You’re laying hands. The power of God flows through physical contact. And now, right now, I want you to speak a word of authority. Because according to Ephesians 2: 6 you are seated on the throne with Jesus. Just simply say “Be healed in Jesus” name.”  

AUDIENCE: Be healed in Jesus’ name.

ART: That’s it. That’s all you got to do. It’s that simple. Now I want everyone here who can test it to test it. Try to do something you couldn’t do. If you need to stand up that’s okay. Move around. Test your knees Test your shoulders. If you’ve got to move your arms around that’s cool. I see people checking. Moving their necks. If you’re healed already I want you to raise your hand. If you can now do something you couldn’t do, pains gone. Yup. One. Two. Anyone else back there? Anyone over here? Yeah. Awesome. What just happened to you? Your elbow? Both elbows? How long has that been going on? A long time. You talking years? Praise God. That’s awesome. He loves you! Yeah.

ART: In fact I specifically want to tell you James 5 says “the prayer of faith will heal the sick. The Lord will raise him up. If they’ve sinned they’ll be forgiven.” That is proof of your forgiveness. Jesus is guaranteeing it to you right there. That’s awesome. Thank you Lord. What happened back here? Yeah. What happened? Vertigo. Wow. And you’re feeling— for three years of vertigo? Wow. Thank you Lord. You’re good? Wow

ART: And you. Yeah. You told me it was knee surgery. How long ago was that? Almost a year. Yeah. Oh wow. Because of diabetes. So we’ll check the diabetes out. Right? That’s great. Anyone else with something testable. Yeah.

ART:  Wow. Praise you Lord. Yeah!  

ART: Now we could go on and on with this. I think we’re going to have to— Oh, I’m sorry. We should interview like that, shouldn’t we? They gave me this mic so that I could do this properly. And I forgot all about it. But is there anyone else that was healed that I didn’t get a testimony yet? Yeah. Yeah. What happened? Sorry. Forget the mic. Just tell me. I’ll repeat it here. Yeah. Headache gone. Thank You, Lord.

ART: All right. Now I saw a lot of hands go up. For the sake of time I just want to pray one more time for everybody and we’re going to see how many more healings we can get outa this. All right? I like to squeeze that orange until we get every bit. All right. So heavenly Father I thank You for those who are here, for those who are watching this right now. I thank you Lord that you have instilled faith in them. That seed of the Word of God has been implanted in their hearts. I pray, Holy Spirit, that you would guard that seed. That the enemy would not be able to snatch it away. That these folks would be able to walk in the power of Your might. That they would continue to minister healing wherever they go.

They would remember the miracles they witnessed in this place, the miracles they experienced and the miracles that they’ve experienced in their living rooms. Lord ignite us to be the Church just like in Acts chapter 5 where every single person was healed. That’s what we want to see. The body of Jesus ministering in this world doing the same things that the physical body of Jesus did when You walked this earth. Lord, we thank you for what you’ve done here. We thank you for what you’re going to continue to do. And I speak a blessing over every person listening to this message in Jesus name! Go in His name.    Heal the sick. Raise dead. Cleanse the leper. Drive out demons. Freely you have received, now freely give. Be healed in Jesus name. God bless you everybody.

Our Guest Tim Sheets

TIM: That’s why I say this is the greatest move of God ever because you’re going to see all the anointings of the King in our generation, in our flow, in our time! You’re going to see all the streams in our time! And you’re seeing Holy Spirit now becoming very, very aggressive through a kingdom church that is ruling and reigning! When the devil says “boo” we’re not running!

JAMIE: Mmm!

TIM: We’re standing up!

JAMIE: Mmm!

TIM: We’re going to be like Ephesians 6 says. And our armor’s going to be in place and when we see principalities, powers we’re to stand and having done all to stand, stand therefore. And we stand against principalities, powers, mights and dominions. Notice all 4 times it listed when it said “against.” 

JAMIE: Phew! You know this is so interesting to me because you know what you’re saying right now some people this is going to be so over their head because they’re in darkness! I mean they’re believers but this is awakening them to another awareness of what God is doing today! I think that’s huge! That is keep!

TIM: Uh-huh.

JAMIE: When we return with Tim Sheets I’m going to ask him to really pray for us and ask the Holy Spirit to help us partner with Him in what it is that He’s doing today and that the God of the angel armies would invade your life [music begins] and angels themselves would be activated to help bring you in to the Greatest Awakening We’ll see you!

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JAMIE: [music ends] Hi, I’m Jamie Galloway! Welcome back! We have Tim Sheets here and last time we were speaking we were trying to get to the orders or the groupings of angels. You’ve identified 7.

TIM: Uh-huh.

JAMIE: This is fascinating to me. Why don’t you go into that cause I know it takes you a little bit of time but – 

TIM: I can list the orders for you. These companies of angels have been brought by the Holy Spirit. He supervises it all. Obviously He’s the boss and it’s all under Him. But He’s bringing more of the angel armies to assist the Great Awakening. The first one is there are Angels of Alignment and they are aligning kingdom “ecclesias,” New Testament churches, for a new move of God. When you’re in proper alignment you move better. And He is aligning them with heaven’s purpose on the earth. Secondly are Angels of Government. These are angels that are assisting the decrees of the “ecclesia,” the decrees of the saints to help in – to help release the kingdom of government on the earth. The third is Angels of Pentecostal Outpouring. This company of angels is ministering a fresh outpouring and I’m talking about all over the world! All kingdom New Testament churches. They’re ministering there for a fresh new outpouring. And then number four are Angels of Healing and Miracles. In 2013 I began to have a vision of the old oil wells where the boom goes down and the boom goes up only this time I was seeing angels that were going like that. And Holy Spirit said to me they are pumping the old healing wells and they’re opening new ones. So miracles and signs and wonders they’re out stirring those connecting the “ecclesias” to that. And then you have Angels of Evangelism.

JAMIE: Mmm.

TIM: Three phases of that. First of all prodigals.

JAMIE: Wow.

TIM: They’re out ministering and drawing the prodigals in! We are about to see millions of prodigals coming back to Christ! Millions of them! They’re necessary because they are going to help the Third Great Awakening!

JAMIE: Phew!

TIM: And then of course then there’s new converts. And then there are also connecting evangelists to those hubs for strategy that way. And then you have lastly you have Glory Angels. They’re assisting in opening up the realms for a fresh new release of the glory of God. His tangible real presence. Been to 3 places in the past year where the Glory Cloud came and didn’t leave for 3 days!

JAMIE: Wow!

Our Guest Bruce Van Natta

KYLE: No.

BRUCE: What if you get it tuned –

KYLE: Or static!

BRUCE: Right. You’re going to get static!

KYLE: Right.

BRUCE: Remember old school? If you get it just right the little red light will come on? You get stereo and it’s perfect, right?

KYLE: That might have been before my time, okay? [Laughing]

BRUCE: Okay. Well, trust me!

KYLE: But I get you! [Laughing]

BRUCE: Trust me! You get it just right the red light comes on. You have stereo. God wants to speak to us! He’s always transmitting! But our tuner, us. See God is not going to tune our tuner for us. It’s our job! It’s our job to adjust the tuner. It’s our job to get tuned in so we hear His voice! He’s speaking! He’s speaking to everyone! It’s us! We’re the ones that have to open our spiritual eyes and ears so that we recognize His voice because He is always speaking to us!  

KYLE: Well I know you’re always hearing from God. You have as I said developed an intimacy with God which is so profound. And I know that God is speaking to you right now about ministering to some people. Will you minister to those who are listening?

BRUCE: You know I’d love to do that and I just want to share one last testimony.

KYLE: Sure.

BRUCE: You know what? This is how important it is. To hear God’s voice and operate in that. We’re driving on. We just finished ministering in a state. We’re driving across a highway. This thought comes, in my mind. Call so and so. And this person was a best friend of mine in grade school. My family is sleeping. I don’t want to wake up the family. I’m thinking oh I really don’t want to. I’ve got his phone number. I talk to him maybe once or twice a year. I’ve got his phone number in my cell phone. And that prompting call him! I do. You know I hit his number and he answers the phone and I can’t repeat what he said but it’s slurred. He says no blanking way. And I said hey to this guy. I said what’s going on?

He said I’m driving around right now looking for a place to kill myself! He said I have my pistol on my front seat. I’m looking for a place to shoot myself! And I just said God, if You’re real, you have Bruce Van Natta call me right now! We’re talking right to the last second! And it is so important for us to get tuned in! So we hear God’s voice because it’s not only going to bless us, it’s going to bless everybody in our circle of influence! You know like you were talking about ministering to the people. You know the Lord actually gave me a Word this morning when I woke up for this show. And He said that somebody is going to be watching the show today. You’re going to be watching the show today and in 1986 you had an accident that has caused you significant problems ever since that time. He wants to heal you right at home right now, right where you’re listening, right where you’re watching. Nobody has to lay a hand on you.

You can lay a hand on yourself right now and just receive this prayer! Lord, I just thank You for this person that’s watching today! And Lord You know when You said You know the number of hairs on our head. And this person plus all the other people that are watching and listening, Lord. You know every single issue! Every single problem! Every single giant they’ve ever faced, Lord! And we just lift these situations up to You right now and we pray that You’d minister to this person that has these physical issues since this accident in 1986. We just come against those mountains, those giants right now and we speak healing over every person listening! Whether it’s emotional healing, physical healing, whatever healing you need! Lord, we just ask You to release that healing even now in Jesus’ name! Thank You, Lord!         

KYLE: Powerful! Powerful, Bruce! Thank you once again so much!

BRUCE: Thank you!KYLE: I told you that was going to be powerful! God wants to have constant communication with you! [Music] Thank you so much for tuning in to Something More! I’m Kyle Winkler! And be sure to check out more resources and interviews like this one at SidRoth.org.

Our Guest John Bevere

JOHN: Okay, some of you aren’t getting this, some of you are. Okay, all right. All of you know me as John Bevere, speaker, some of you know me as John Bevere, author, but there is a lady, and she is a lady, her name is Lisa, Lisa Bevere. She knows me as John Bevere, husband, she knows me as John Bevere, best friend, she knows me as John Bevere, Dad, she knows me as John Bevere, Gee Daddy, that’s grandpa because I’m way too young to be called grandpa, she knows me as John Bevere, athlete, she knows me as John Bevere, lover. Now can I say this — none of you will ever know me as John Bevere, lover!

AUDIENE: (LAUGHING)

JOHN: That is a facet of my personality you will never know. Only Lisa knows it because she’s the closest person to me on this earth. God just revealed a facet of His personality to Abraham that nobody had ever known before because he’s my friend. Now if you look at the relationship between God and Abraham it’s amazing. One day God makes this statement: Should we do what we’re planning on doing with Sodom and Gomorrah without first talking to our friend Abraham about this? So the Lord comes down by the terebinth tree, has a meal with Abraham and He and Abraham leave the two angels and everybody else, all the servants and they go over to the cliff and they look over the plains of Sodom and the Lord looks at Abe and says, “Abe, we’re thinking about blowing up these two cities. What do you think?”

AUDIENCE: (BIG LAUGHTER)

JOHN: And Abe goes SODOM! And the Lord goes yeah, yeah, yeah, Sodom, and Gomorrah, too. What do you think? And Abe goes “think, think, think— Okay, okay, wait! You wouldn’t like blow up these two cities if there was 50 righteous people, would ya? And the Lord goes, “Excellent idea, excellent idea! Okay, we will not blow up the cities if there’s 50 righteous people.” Glad we talked to our friend, Abraham. Abraham goes what if there isn’t 50. He goes wait a minute, wait a minute, what about if there was 45 righteous people? Would you blow up the cities if there’s 45? The Lord goes “another good idea. Okay, we will not blow up the cities if there’s 45.” So Abraham talks Him all the way down to ten. He figures there’s got to be ten, I mean I got Lot’s, one, all I need is 9 others. Right?

AUDIENCE: (LAUGHTER)

JOHN: But you know there’s not. Now this is what is amazing. The Bible says Sodom and Gomorrah’s buying, selling, trading, marrying, giving in marriage, planting and harvesting. What is all that in today’s vernacular? Life is great, the economy is booming, and if there is a God, He doesn’t mind our lifestyle. They’re 24 hours from being obliterated and they’re clueless. That is not what’s scary. This is what is scary! Everybody say “Lot”!

AUDIENCE: Lot!

JOHN: Who the Bible calls righteous. Okay, let me put it to you in today’s terminology. Saved, born again, Christian.

AUDIENCE: Right, uh, huh, c’mon now.

JOHN: Lot’s 24 hours away from being obliterated. He’s as clueless as Sodom and Gomorrah. It takes two messengers of mercy, two angels, because Abraham prayed, thank God Abraham prayed, to get him out. And his wife was a little too attached, that’s why she became a pillar of salt and Jesus says in the New Testament “remember Lot’s wife” in speaking about the fear of the Lord. Now here’s two righteous men, two saved men, two born again men, let’s put in today’s terminology. One righteous man knows what God’s going to do before He’s does it and helps God decide how He’s going to do it. The other righteous man, righteous man, saved man is as clueless as the world. Why? This righteous saved man fears God, therefore he’s the friend of God, therefore God shares His secrets with him. This righteous saved born again man is not the friend of God. He’s saved, he’s righteous but he’s not the friend of God therefore God doesn’t share His secrets with him. Moses is the other man. The Bible says Israel knew God by His works, Moses knew His ways.

He revealed His ways to Moses but Israel knew God by His works. Correct? What does it mean that Israel knew God by His works? Israel knew God by how their prayers were answered. Do you know how many people in America, Christians I’m talking about, their relationship with God is limited to how God’s answered my prayers. My daughter was sick, we prayed and God healed her. We had a financial need, we sowed a seed, and God met the need. Moses knew many times what God was going to do before he did it and two times God literally changed His mind because of what Moses said to Him in reminding God of what He had previously said. Now here’s two righteous people, okay, groups of people, because they all came out of Egypt, they all drink the same spiritual food, ate the same spiritual food, they all followed that Rock which was Christ. We have two groups of saved people.

Israel who only knows God by how He’s answers his [their] prayers and you have Moses who knows what God’s going to do before he does it. Why? Because Israel doesn’t fear God therefore they don’t know the secrets of God they only know God by how He answers their prayers. And here’s Moses who knows what God’s going to do before He does it because he’s the friend of God because he fears God because the secret of the Lord is with those who fear Him and he will show them His covenant. Now do you want to see this in the New Testament? One person? (audience laughs) Do you want to see it in the New Testament?

Our Guest Ivan Tuttle

SID: There’s no hope.

IVAN: No. There’s no hope. None.

SID: Why do the demons keep penetrating people with pain and suffering? Why do they keep it up?

IVAN: Sid, they enjoy it. That’s what makes them happy. They enjoy doing that kind of stuff to us. They do it especially—

SID: They’re like sadists.

IVAN: Exactly. But especially if you were a Christian at one time, oh, then they really thrive on that because that’s something that now they can tease you for all eternity. Listen, that demon was laughing at me, making fun of me, and it was doing the same thing to all these other people. All these demons were because I bought it. I bought the lie.

SID: All of a sudden you heard a voice.

IVAN: Yes. Sid, that was the most wonderful thing that happened to me in Hell is I’m there and all of a sudden I heard a voice that rang out and says, “it’s not his time yet. You must let him go. I made a promise to his mother.”

SID: Ivan went to Heaven and saw the future of many countries. You want to find out about that promise and why it worked. Next.

SID: My guest died. He found himself in Hell, but all of a sudden he heard a voice and the voice said, “It’s not your time.” The next thing you knew, you were in the Gate of Heaven.

IVAN: I was.

SID: Why? Why? You were at that point a backsliding, non-believing person.

IVAN: Exactly. I’d still be in Hell if it wasn’t for two things. One, it wasn’t my time. The second thing, I had a mother that prayed for me. Now, my mother prayed—

SID: Yeah, but everyone has people pray for them.

IVAN: Well, that’s good. Keep it up. Because my mother prayed for me three times a day, at least, all the time. By the time I’m 26, that’s over 22,000 prayers. My mother was a praying woman of God, and she hung onto God and said, “God, you got to make me promise. None of my children to go to Hell.” She asked God to make her a promise, and she believed God made her that promise. He did. That’s why I went to Heaven.

SID: Tell me the first thing that you … First of all, did you know that you were at Heaven in that point?

IVAN: Actually Sid, yes, I did. I knew I was in Heaven. The reason why I knew it was Heaven, first of all, I saw what it looked like. And it was just the opposite of Hell. It had to be Heaven. When you got there and how beautiful it was. Your spirit knows these things, and I’m greeted by an angel. So that’s the first clue I had. This was an angel. As bad as it was and as hopeless as it was there in Hell, I now had this most euphoric feeling. Everything was wonderful. It was beautiful. Here I am. I’m up in Heaven. This angel’s greeting me and this angel’s talking to me, explaining things to me about it. Yeah, it was great. I knew I was in Heaven.

SID: What’s about the first thing you remember seeing that had an impact?

IVAN: The first impact of course, was the angel because the angel was so tall and so big. The voice that that angel had was so powerful, but yet he was gentle. I say he, because it looked like a man. Was very gentle and he took me by the hand. And then I walked through the gate, and as I walked through the gate of Heaven, I saw these buildings. I saw these like white stone, like I’ve never seen before. Sparkling white stone. It was unbelievable. I saw streets of gold, the softest gold. This gold, you could step on, it was so soft and beautiful, but it was gold. You knew it was gold. It was beautiful. And then there was a river flowing right through the city and this river was crystal clear. It sounded like children. Ever hear babies laugh? It sounded like babies’ laughter. It was so beautiful.

Our Guest Art Thomas

Now some other thoughts. Other arguments that people have. Paul’s “thorn in the flesh.” That’s a great one. People always ask what was Paul’s thorn in the flesh? Now it’s a great question because there’s so much debate and confusion about it but it’s actually kind of a silly question     because the Bible actually says what Paul’s thorn in the flesh was. Did you know that? It says “There was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan sent to torment me.” Now that’s pretty clear. In fact the Greek word for messenger is “angelos” which is the word translated “angel,” an angel of Satan. And there’s only two other places that mention angels of Satan. Like the dragon and his angels were thrown down to the earth. Right? And I don’t remember what the other one is but only two places and it’s always referring to demons. So pretty simple. A demon of Satan was given to him.

A messenger of Satan was given to him to keep him humble. Now what did that demon do? That’s the part that’s a debate. Okay? It was just a demon. Now some demons can cause a physical problems. Sure. I’ve seen a whole lot of that happen. But in this case I’ve walked through all these questions. You know some of the popular theories like Paul having an eye problem. I mean I’ve written about this extensively. There’s no way to make that work. In fact if you want to read a classic book that’ll teach you that, F.F. Bosworth wrote one and thoroughly dismantled the idea that Paul had an eye problem. It’s kind of ridiculous when you see the logic of it especially looking at the fullness of the New Testament. But, yeah, I personally believe that it was a demon inciting persecution everywhere Paul went.

Cause he faced more persecution than anybody. In fact he said it was sent to buffet me and that word “buffet” means repeated blows [sounds of his fists hitting] as with a fist. Now furthermore some people question maybe this is my thorn in the flesh or something like that. I say, no. Throw that away. Because you know you’re telling me that you— Smith Wigglesworth. Actually if you know who he is. He was a minister back in the early 1900’s. And he— a woman came to him and said that and if I remember right he said something like are you so prideful that you think you’ve had such an abundance of revelations as Paul did that you need a thorn in the flesh? Be healed in Jesus name and the woman got healed. (laughs)  

AUDIENCE: (LAUGHTER)

ART: Yeah. So separate yourself from that thinking. Set aside the thorn in the flesh thing. That’s not for you. If you’ve had all kinds of crazy revelations of heaven that are too wonderful to share then sure you’re allowed to have one if you want to. It’s okay?  

AUDIENCE: (LAUGHTER)

ART: But until you’ve had that I’m not letting you claim it. All right? So that’s the deal. Now another one. Jacob’s limp. What about Jacob? He limped for the rest of his life and it was a blessing. Did you know that’s nowhere in the Bible? Did you know that? I searched backwards and forwards could not find anything that said Jacob limped for the rest of his life. What I did find the reason we believe it is because Jacob wrestles with that angel. Right? And some believe that is was actually a pre-incarnate Jesus that he wrestled with and he wrestles with Him until I want that blessing. Right? And then the blessing was a dislocated hip or something like that, we think. But whatever happened it says that as the sun rose over Peniel, Jacob stumbled. He limped or halted says the King James.

The Greek word there literally means “stumbled” in fact everywhere else that it’s used in the Old Testament to describe an action it’s translated “stumbled” but to describe a person it’s translated “lame.” Okay? And then the other verse we have is that at the end of his life at 140 years old it says he leaned on his staff and blessed his sons. And people say well he leaned on his staff. That meant he must have limped his whole life. Moses had a staff. We don’t think he limped. Elijah had a staff. We don’t think he limped. It was a sign of authority. And if you’re 140 years old I expect you to be leaning on a staff. Right?

Our Guest Colonel James Durham

SID: In other words, if you knew where they were, you could get your prayers answered, you could accomplish everything the Bible says you’re supposed to, but you have to know where it is. So what did you see?

JAMES: I saw that covering, and I prayed to the Lord to break the power of the enemy to cover the open portals. And it was then that I came to understand that these were portals for prayer. And as soon as I asked the Lord and I stood with him to rebuke them, all the dark clouds went away. All the portals were suddenly open. Now these are not little tiny little openings. They’re huge. And immediately, the prayers of the people were going through.

Now, the Lord told me that he was showing it to me that way, but actually the prayers were never stopped. It’s a delusion that the enemy has to try to bring doubt into our lives, to make us afraid and think, “Well, heaven’s closed. My prayers are not being heard.” And I hear that from people all the time, “The Lord is not hearing my prayers.” Yes, he is. He’s hearing your prayers. And even if you’re seeing the dark cloud, that’s something that’s dark within us. And what we need to do is to rebuke that, to get rid of that so that we can see it and we have the confidence to know our prayers are getting through to the Lord.

SID: You wrote an entire book on spiritual preparation. And if I was God, I would have picked a Colonel to do a manual on how to survive in the last days. Give me a couple of the steps. I happen to really like this step called, let go of excessive baggage.

JAMES: Well, that one also began with a vision. That’s a surprise, right? But anyway, I was walking on this really beautiful road up a mountain, and it was, the road was going around the mountain so you’re constantly getting closer and closer to the top. It was smooth, it was easy, which is a little unusual, but that’s what I was experiencing. And I suddenly came to a barrier, and the barrier blocked the whole road. And there was a sign there that said, to proceed, leave all unnecessary baggage behind. And I saw several bags there that other people are left behind. So I dropped everything I had, it opened, and I moved up. And so I began to pray for understanding about those bags. What is it that we really need to drop? And the Lord showed me that there’s some spiritual baggage that we need to get rid of.

You know, it’s hard enough to carry physical stuff, but if you’re also weighed down by spiritual things, and the Lord was saying that one of the things we need to get rid of is all unresolved sin. He’s already created a process to do that. All we have to do is repent and ask Jesus to forgive us and to come into our hearts again. He also said get rid of all the doctrines of man. Get back to my doctrine, but unload all that baggage, stuff that you learned all through your life that’s just really not biblical.

He said, get rid of false guilt. Now, false guilt is when we feel guilty about something we had absolutely no control over. That’s false guilt. You’re not guilty for what you couldn’t do or couldn’t have control over. But a lot of people carry that baggage, and we see it across the country now. We’re being told to feel guilty about things that happened in the past that we had no control over. We weren’t even alive when some of these things happened.

Our Guest John Bevere

JOHN: Okay, some of you aren’t getting this, some of you are. Okay, all right. All of you know me as John Bevere, speaker, some of you know me as John Bevere, author, but there is a lady, and she is a lady, her name is Lisa, Lisa Bevere. She knows me as John Bevere, husband, she knows me as John Bevere, best friend, she knows me as John Bevere, Dad, she knows me as John Bevere, Gee Daddy, that’s grandpa because I’m way too young to be called grandpa, she knows me as John Bevere, athlete, she knows me as John Bevere, lover. Now can I say this û none of you will ever know me as John Bevere, lover!

AUDIENE: (LAUGHING)

JOHN: That is a facet of my personality you will never know. Only Lisa knows it because she’s the closest person to me on this earth. God just revealed a facet of His personality to Abraham that nobody had ever known before because he’s my friend. Now if you look at the relationship between God and Abraham it’s amazing. One day God makes this statement: Should we do what we’re planning on doing with Sodom and Gomorrah without first talking to our friend Abraham about this? So the Lord comes down by the terebinth tree, has a meal with Abraham and He and Abraham leave the two angels and everybody else, all the servants and they go over to the cliff and they look over the plains of Sodom and the Lord looks at Abe and says, “Abe, we’re thinking about blowing up these two cities. What do you think?”

AUDIENCE: (BIG LAUGHTER)

JOHN: And Abe goes SODOM! And the Lord goes yeah, yeah, yeah, Sodom, and Gomorrah, too. What do you think? And Abe goes “think, think, think— Okay, okay, wait! You wouldn’t like blow up these two cities if there was 50 righteous people, would you? And the Lord goes, “Excellent idea, excellent idea! Okay, we will not blow up the cities if there’s 50 righteous people.” Glad we talked to our friend, Abraham. Abraham goes what if there isn’t 50.  He goes wait a minute, wait a minute, what about if there was 45 righteous people? Would you blow up the cities if there’s 45? The Lord goes “another good idea. Okay, we will not blow up the cities if there’s 45.” So Abraham talks Him all the way down to ten. He figures there’s got to be ten, I mean I got Lot’s, one, all I need is 9 others. Right?

AUDIENCE: (LAUGHTER)

JOHN: But you know there’s not. Now this is what is amazing. The Bible says Sodom and Gomorrah’s buying, selling, trading, marrying, giving in marriage, planting and harvesting. What is all that in today’s vernacular? Life is great, the economy is booming, and if there is a God, He doesn’t mind our lifestyle. They’re 24 hours from being obliterated and they’re clueless. That is not what’s scary. This is what is scary! Everybody say ‘lot”!

AUDIENCE: Lot!

JOHN: Who the Bible calls righteous. Okay, let me put it to you in today’s terminology. Saved, born again, Christian.

AUDIENCE: Right, uh, huh, c’mon now. JOHN: Lot’s 24 hours away from being obliterated. He’s as clueless as Sodom and Gomorrah. It takes two messengers of mercy, two angels, because Abraham prayed, thank God Abraham prayed, to get him out. And his wife was a little too attached, that’s why she became a pillar of salt and Jesus says in the New Testament ‘remember Lot’s wife” in speaking about the fear of the Lord.