Sid: The middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile, praise God it’s finally come down to form what Paul calls in the 2nd Chapter in the books of Ephesians “The Full dwelling Place of God by His Spirit.” And that’s where we’re headed right now, but between today and the time the Messiah comes we know from the Bible what’s going to happen. But we as believers I believe it should not be such a big mystery that as true believers in the Messiah we should understand the times and seasons that we’re in. And I have a friend that’s a Messianic Jewish Rabbi by the name of Jonathan Cahn and several years ago he had some supernatural experiences and he’s a brilliant Bible teacher. And he has come up with an understanding of a pattern from the Old Testament that God used with Israel and it’s so amazing it’s even got dates and times and the deeper in God in this the more he saw that it is a pattern for the United States of America. Here let me read from the front page of our newsletter for those that receive our Mishpochah newsletter. “Is it possible that there exists an ancient mystery in which is hidden the secret of America’s future?” “Is it possible that this possible lies behind everything from 9/11 to the war in Iraq; to the American housing bubble and it’s bursting to the crash of Wall Street and the global economy to the great recession and much more; even the President of the United States.” Strap on your seatbelt we’re about ready to go for a ride. Jonathan you know that I have wanted to interview you on this subject for a long time and you kept say, “It’s not quite the right time.” Why did you keep saying that to me?
Jonathan: I just, I just felt that there was a time when this word was going to go forth and it’s almost as if the word is always sought to go forth, it tends to become viral when I bring it up. But I felt like it wasn’t the time and then things started changing and I have no question right now that this is the time. And just when I was kind of moving ahead or praying about that I get a call I get a call from your ministry saying, “Hey let’s do the Harbinger.” So I believe that your lead by the Spirit Sid, because that’s, I believe that this is the time. We are approaching the tenth anniversary of 9/11 and America is fastly, or rapidly moving away from God; and this is a serious you know call, but it is something that; everything in God has an appointed the time. He kept giving me the scripture you know. “The vision is for the appointed time,” You know write it down and it will go and now it’s just happening.
Sid: I believe that also so let’s start out the series and there’s two CD series that we are making available and one is called “Harbinger, the Warning” and the other is called “The Harbinger, the Shaking.” And let’s start out with the word “harbinger.” What does that mean to you?
Jonathan: The Harbinger means a sign, a herald of what is yet to come. It can be used in a good sense; but generally harbinger is generally it’s a sign of warning. And why this links up is that God gives harbingers a warning before judgment. You know and a good God would do that and the sake of the warning is so that there won’t be judgment. Isn’t that correct?
Jonathan: Exactly, exactly and He did that in ancient Israel, which is really which is really the pattern which gives us really the revelation of what is happening now. But exactly, God’s ultimate purpose is to save from judgment.
Sid: But I don’t believe you could have come up with this key if you hadn’t seen what happened at 9/11.
Jonathan: Yes, exactly.
Sid: So therefore, no one could have unlocked this before 9/11, I believe.
Jonathan: I believe you’re absolutely right and it’s not that, you know there was things that I sensed with 9/11 came you know our ministry is in Northern Jersey were near everything. We have people in the building at the time who got out, but you know it was a sense in America that something had happened. There was a sense among believers that there was something deeper going on and America has been – was not right with God and there’s something for this to even be allowed, you know it means something and this is the same pattern. Actually at that time there was a scripture that came to me and I didn’t realize it back then, but it was right – it turned out to be really one of the keys of the puzzle piece. And I was down there in ground zero, you know a little bit after and I’m walking the ground and I saw an object it was linked to a tree and something started and mystery started unfolding.
Sid: You know I recently had lunch with a strong Christian believer and he looked me in the eye and he said, “I’m very concerned about Israel, look at Iran, and their nuclear ability and the missiles they have.” But I said to him, “I’m not concerned about Israel, I am concerned about the United States of America.” I see the future of Israel in the Bible, and I don’t and maybe you are one that would differ with me, but I don’t see a locked in concrete future for the United States in the Bible; I’m concerned about the United States.
Jonathan: Well, well I believe that you are right, you know, clearly, you know there is two main things going on. America has been blessed more than any nation has been blessed and there’s two things of it. One is that as much as it follows God, “As a nation follows God it gets lifted up.” We’ve been blessed from the beginning, even the early founders of America, the Puritans. They said this was going to happen and it’s happened, but if America turns from God those blessings are not going to remain. And the other thing is; “As America has been the greatest blesser of Israel and the principal is clear from the beginning of the Bible to the end that if you bless Israel you’re blessed, if you turn away you will not be blessed.” And both of those factors are changing now and so we are in danger. And the other thing is when you look at end time prophecy you don’t see America as the leader, it says all nations come against Israel. Something has to happen between now and then and I believe you are absolutely right.
Sid: Okay, the word harbinger as you’ve explained means “A sign or a foreshadowing of a future event” and you have found in the scriptures. “Nine harbingers,” explain what you mean. Because if these things occurred in these steps and this is what happened in Israel then your premise is those same steps are going to happen in the country that God raised up to preserve Israel if they turn from God.
Jonathan: Yeah, not that every situation is different, but the overall pattern is there, which is basically “A pattern of warning and coming judgment.” Yeah, basically here’s the beginning of the key of the foundation of it. Ancient Israel, 8th century BC Israel is founded by God or founded on His word; blessed by God, but then it departed from God. They grew complacent they turned away from Him, they went to other gods; they turned against His ways into immorality, they actually then started coming against His people. And now God calls them back, “He sends prophets and then He allows something to happen that was unprecedented, He allows Israel’s hedge of protection to be breached. He allows and enemy to make a strike into the land,” and this is again as you said before, “This is not to bring judgment it is to warn of judgment,” and its wakeup call it’s an alarm. And that’s strike, the enemy has come in; it’s temporary, it’s limited but it traumatizes the nation. It was a sign and this is where were talking “it was a harbinger” that if the nation continues going away from God, departing from his ways it’s blessings, it’s peace, its prosperity, it’s safety it’s even defenses are going to be removed. So the attack comes, it is short lived, but and this is the time to repent and to turn back and God gave them several years to turn back, but after a while it seemed that security had returned, but they were in danger and they didn’t realize it. It was a grace period, the nation to choose God or to completely go away from Him and then judgment, but instead of repenting and turning to God they hardened themselves. Israel becomes defiant they make a vow and this is going to be the key here, In Isaiah 9: verse 10 they say, and this is God telling through Isaiah; making it known what they did, they say this here is the verse, “It says, “The bricks have fallen, (that was the destruction) but we will rebuild with hewn stone the sycamores have been cut down, but we will plant cedars in their place.” Now, it’s hard to say, “What’s that saying?” It’s saying that you know, “No matter what God, no matter what He does to us were not going to be humbled; we’re not going to turn back; we’re just the opposite, we’re going to defy the judgment; we are going to fight back; we are actually going to turn the calamity around we are going to come back stronger than ever. So they harden themselves and about ten years later after that first encouraging comes judgment of Israel, the same army reenters now but it’s not limited it’s a full strike and the ancient kingdom of Israel is wiped off the face of the earth. Now what does that have to do with the last days of the ancient, what does that have to do with America?
Sid: Right.
Jonathan: You see and this is a specific pattern of judgment and the calling of God. And the last days of a nation under judgment that doesn’t turn back. So what does that have to do with America? America was also founded on God’s principal, blessed as no other nation has been, turned away from God, has increasingly been turning from His ways, I think it’s obvious. It’s become complacent and actually literally coming against the ways of God. It’s rapidly so and God is calling America back; but what happened to ancient Israel? God lifted up the hedge of protection; it was the wake up alarm so too God has lifted up the hedge of America’s protection. The wakeup call September 11th 2001 America’s hedge of national protection is removed just as it was in ancient Israel. It’s a strike comes in, God allows an enemy to come and strike and breach the borders, its temporary it’s limited but…
Sid: I mean, I remember where I was, I remember exactly watching the television screen and watching those planes go into the Twin Towers and it looked like fantasy to me! It looked like it wasn’t real, this is America; this doesn’t happen in America, it only happens in the movies.
Jonathan: Exactly, exactly. And we’ve had this sense that we were invulnerable and we were invulnerable as long as we were in God’s way. But if we are not it says, “Unless the Lord watches the city the watchman watch in vain,” and clearly God allowed it. And this the same exact thing that happened to ancient Israel and so in the same way this is the time for America to come back. If you remember Sid, at that time there was…
Sid: You know we’re out of time right now, but I know that our Mishpochah will be back. I have a saying which I got from a Messianic Jew by the name of Dick Reuben at the Brownsville revival. He says, “When the pattern is right, the Glory comes down.” But the reverse is also true, “When the pattern is wrong, the judgment is released.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. And I can’t think of a better guest to have when I’m talking about “it’s naturally supernatural” than Ryan Wyatt, because I saw Ryan, and I saw him speaking, and so many miracles broke out. But tell me, when you were London, about the person with the, was it surgically removed, the eardrum?
RYAN: Right. She had what’s called a radical mastoidectomy, and it’s where they cut behind your ear; they take your eardrum out, the inner ear bones. They take all the equipment. And we were just talking about how the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. It is in the room right now. Just like the visible realm is here, the unseen realm is here. And she really began to believe that power of God was at hand to heal her. And as she began to believe that, just sitting out in the crowd, her ear began to pop, and every time her ear would pop, she would hear something for a few seconds. And God was literally recreating an eardrum in her ear. And by the end of the service it had popped one last time, and Sid, she was hearing perfectly, better than many people in the room.
SID: Tell me about the woman that lost 65 pounds instantly.
RYAN: Yeah. Again, talking about how God is a now God; and the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, and just making people aware of that. And the Glory of God rolled into this meeting. Actually four clouds, a little bit bigger than a human head rolled in and started to rest over certain people. And there was a woman there that had a thyroid condition that caused her to not be able to lose weight, and this cloud rested over here. She felt like electricity was going through her body. And when the cloud lifted, she stood up about 30 minutes later to go to the restroom and lost 65 pounds instantly. She had to grab a hold of her pants to hold them up. That’s how dramatic the weight loss was.
SID: But are you, I mean I’m in awe when this happens. I mean, I’m sort of like a little kid in a candy store. God, you’re doing it again. How do you feel?
RYAN: Yeah, I have a child-like heart, too. And it’s one of the keys to really staying fresh in the Kingdom, is staying amazed by what God can do. And as often as God does miracles, every time He does them, I’m just sure to thank Him and praise Him, and have the heart of a child, and He keeps doing it.
SID: Speaking of the heart of a child, you really started early. I mean, he was in a pretty much backslidden condition, and he goes with, I guess it was with a church group, out hiking. He’s about 16 years of age and he gets lost. And there’s going to be a horrible snow storm and it’s cold. And what happened?
RYAN: Yeah. I was lost for hours, Sid. I ended up falling into the river, extremely cold water, started to go into…
SID: How did you fall into the river?
RYAN: Well you know, Sid, I was desperate. I realized I was going to die. I realized I was out there all night. Nobody was coming for me. And there was a river that weaved like a snake through the mountains. And I thought, well I’m going to save some time. I’m going to go across these big boulders that were on this river. You know, when you’re desperate you do things that aren’t so smart. And I fell into the river, and then I really realized I’m going to die. And I began to, in a bit of a backslid state in my life; I began to cry out to God. And what came out of my mouth was, “God, if you will save me I will give my life to you in full time ministry.” That’s what I intended to say.
SID: It just kind of came out.
RYAN: That’s just what came out.
SID: I understand that. I’ve done that from time to time. And it does sort of a mental bypass. It’s coming from your spirit.
RYAN: Yeah. Desperation does thing to a person.
SID: And did you follow through on what you said? Because He did rescue you. How long did it take?
RYAN: They found me within 10, 15 minutes. I heard the audible voice of the Lord, Sid, and He spoke to me when I said I’d give my life to Him in full time ministry. All He said, “Okay.” Kind of like, okay, I’ll hold you to that.
SID: But at 16, you started speaking before groups.
RYAN: Well that testimony opened up. It was an amazing testimony. You know, God saved my life. Red Cross said that they wouldn’t come until the next day, and they would probably be coming to get my body. And you know God supernaturally saved me. People wanted to hear that testimony and it opened up doors to a 10-state region to preach the Gospel.
SID: Okay. But then he finds out that he’s hungry for God. You’re hungry for God. That’s why you’re watching us right now. And so he goes to a little sleepy town, Pensacola, Florida. It’s called the Brownsville Revival. And for some three months, you were so overcome with the spirit. What is going on there with you?
RYAN: I was desperate for God. I was crying out for God. I wanted my own encounter. You know, people were experiencing revival. But I want to be a revival. And I was in a restaurant. And Sid, I began to vibrate from the inside out. I began to feel this tangible presence of God and I can feel it right now even just talking about it.
SID: I feel it just you talking about it
RYAN: Yeah. And I remember looking up towards the ceiling for some reason, and here came the cloud of God, the Glory Cloud, like it’s mentioned in the Bible, right in the restaurant, like a mist, and settled over me.
SID: You stop that. I’m starting to vibrate as you’re talking.
RYAN: Yes. Sid, I was vibrating. I could barely hold my fork. My speech began to get slurred. I was becoming incapacitated. And for two and half months, Sid, everyday this cloud would come to me. God would visit me and I would be incapacitated. I was carried out of restaurant after restaurant. And that was really a season of time where God began to teach me about His presence, about His glory, about moving and healing, and ministering to people’s needs just like Jesus did.
SID: Now did you find an increase in miracles after this encounter with God?
RYAN: Absolutely. Every time you have an encounter with God, it’s really like you’re feasting upon Him. You know, Jesus said that he is the bread, the true bread that comes from Heaven and those who eat of him will live forever. And we’re to have a lifestyle of feasting upon the Lord.
SID: But you know what I like about Ryan? He found out very quick that it’s not just the miracles. It’s the miracles and the character. Why is that so important?
RYAN: Well you know, God is a God of character and He’s a God of power. And Jesus, everything that Jesus did in his single human body, his character, his love, his power, that’s also what he wants to do through the corporate body of Christ. And if we’re going to be a witness of how good God is, we can’t just be supernaturally flaky. We’ve got to have good character. We’ve got to have the love of God. We’ve got to have integrity and the power of God. It’s so important.
SID: And it’s so important for you to feast under the presence of God. I mean, I don’t know what God is going to do and I don’t know what, He’s about me, too. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Joel Richardson. If you do not understand Islam, you will not understand the Antichrist. You will not understand End Times because when you understand Islam and you understand the scriptures, it is the clearest picture. And I can’t wait to find out from Joel Richardson because of his knowledge of the scriptures and because of his knowledge of Islam, what the Mark of the Beast really is. What is it, Joel?
Joel: Well what we need to understand first, Sid, is there’s been a lot of popular discussion in the church, past a hundred years, what is the Mark of the Beast. And we’ve heard people talk about things like a tattoo or a microchip. And it’s almost as if, you know, someone could just pin you down and give you this microchip, and if you get it, you’re going to Hell, because the Bible says, “Whoever receives the Mark of the Beast will be cast into the lake of fire.” But what we need to understand is that the Mark of the Beast in the Book of Revelation is intended to be the opposite of the mark of God, which is spoke of in the Book of Ezekiel, the prophet Ezekiel. And so the mark of God is that sign which marks the true believers. The Mark of the Beast is a creedal, it is a doctrinal, it is a statement of faith. It will entail a statement of faith. It will deny the Father, deny the Son. Now when we look at Islam we see that under Islamic theology, under a Caliphate, an Islamic government, there’s something called the Bay’ah. The Bay’ah is the pledge of allegiance or submission. Every Muslim is obligated, he is commanded. If there is a Caliph in place that’s in Islamic government, they need to make the pledge to the Caliph, and if they don’t do that, according to Islamic theology they are to be beheaded. Now Shariah Law…
Sid: A Christian or a Jew would never make an oath like that if they’re a real Christian, if they’re a real Jew.
Joel: Right. In other words, according to the Bible, people are cast into the lake of fire based on their acceptance or rejection of the Messiah, of Yeshua, of Jesus. And so the Mark of the Beast is not just, you know, some microchip or something like this. It entails a denial or a rejection of Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible. And so under Islamic law, obviously you have Shariah. And so you know, under Shariah Law if you reject the authority of the Caliphate you wouldn’t be able to buy or sell. When you look at Islam, it has all of the traits of the biblical system of the Antichrist. Now beyond this, you and I, we’ve talked about the anti-parallels between biblical and Islamic eschatology. With regard to the Mark of the Beast, what Islam teaches is that at the end of the age they have this character. They call him [Arabic]. That is the Beast from the Earth.
Sid: Revelations talk about him, too.
Joel: The Beast from the Earth in Revelation is the Antichrist and his empire. Now it’s symbolic. It’s not a real beast. It’s an empire. In Islamic theology, it is a real beast that comes up out of the earth. And according to their traditions it says that, “He will have with him the staff of Moses, that he will mark the faces of all true Muslim believers and their faces will glow,” and that will be an identifier that they are true believers. So according to Islamic theology, Muslims would desire to receive the Mark of the Beast from the earth. Again, that which the Bible says is bad and demonic, Islamic tradition has twisted and said, no, this is good. This is something to be yearned for.
Sid: At the same time, there is such a move of God among Muslims turning to Jesus. For instance, Joel, what’s going on in Iran?
Joel: Iran right now over the past 10 years has seen the most significant revival in the Islamic world in history. You have roughly 70 million citizens in Iran and reports coming out, and they’re varied, anywhere from one to as many as several million Iranians have converted to Christianity. They have become followers of Jesus because they’ve become so disenchanted with the radical regime, the radical Ayatollahs that have been reigning over them and crushing the life right out of them, that they have turned the scriptures.
Sid: Why do you believe that this is happening right now? Why are there so many Muslims turning to Jesus?
Joel: Sid, biblically throughout history, whenever the Lord uses a people to chastise or judge the earth, or His people, Israel, that’s exactly what He’s going to do with the Islamic. He is using his Islamic world as his rod of chastisement against an unrepentant world. But whenever the Lord uses a rod of chastisement, when He’s done, He breaks that rod over His knee. And He will judge the Islamic world after He has used them. But before He judges a people, He calls out a remnant. Sid, right now the Lord is calling a remnant of sincere, passionate believers out of the Islamic world. He’s calling them to Himself and He’s making them willing martyrs for Jesus.
Sid: And they’re going to be real believers. I mean, do the stuff the Bible says, for instance, I found out there’s an entire city in the Middle East of Muslims that have turned to Jesus. Tell me about them, Joel.
Joel: Yeah. There’s so many fantastic stories coming out from out of the missionary community. There’s one story, it’s a village and there was a missionary that was going to show the Jesus film in the village. When they showed the Jesus film, when they got to the point where he was being crucified, the village began to weep and wail, and then they said, “This man had been in our village for the past couple of weeks preaching to us.” They said, “That’s the guy that was here.” It was Jesus that had appeared to them, preaching to them. They saw the Jesus film. The whole village converted.
Sid: Did you hear that? The whole village became believers in Jesus. We really are in the end of the End Days. As a matter of fact, Jesus told us to look for certain signs, and Joel they’re happening. What’s going on in the realm of, say, earthquakes and tornadoes?
Joel: Jesus told us to watch all of these natural events as if they were birth pains. Birth pains increase in frequency and intensity. So I mean, we were just having record tornadoes here in the United States. We’ve had earthquakes destroying Japan, you know, all across the world. Some statistics. Let me just throw these out because these are what we are to watch for. In 2000 to 2008, there were 127 major earthquakes, 7.0 or higher. That’s one major earthquake every 28 days. Then in 2009, there were 17 major earthquakes, 7.0 or higher. That’s one every 26 days. A small increase. In 2010, there were 20. That’s one every 18 days. And then thus far, at the time of this recording, 2011, we’ve had what would amount to one every 13 days. That’s a double in the amount of massive earthquakes since the beginning of this millennium. They’re increasing. The Lord commanded us to watch these events as signs of His soon coming.
Sid: Do you believe that the things we’re talking about on this show, the emergence of Turkey, the emergence of the Mark of the Beast, the emergence of the Antichrist, the invasion of Jerusalem is going to happen in our lifetime?
Joel: Absolutely, absolutely. These things are happening. They’re happening quick. Believers are to watch for them. Much of the church today, Sid, has turned off the subject of the End Times. They’ve said this is irrelevant. Now is the time that the church needs to wake up, needs to start paying attention to things. The prophetic church, as you said at the beginning of the show, needs to understand the foundation, capital “P” prophecy throughout the scriptures as they try to and desire to speak with relevance and prophecy into the world. They need to understand the foundation. These things need to go hand in hand. It’s time for the church to return to biblical prophecy.
Sid: You do not know. You know we’re coming to the wrap-up. But you don’t know when your end is going to come. You don’t know when you’ll breathe your last breath. If there’s ever been a time to get right with God, if there’s ever been a time to know God, if there’s ever been a time to have your sins cleaned and be able to be a new creation by Jesus being your Lord and living inside of you, it’s now. Now.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, if you were just wondering if we’re in the last of the last days, if we’re a few seconds before midnight, you won’t wonder anymore when you get a hold of these two CDs by my guest Chuck Missler called “Return of the Nephilim. Because this is information, it’s kind of like missing information that very few Christians have ever seen that helps you put the end times together in a much more significant fashion than I’ve ever been able to do before; it’s the subject that the world thinks is fringe or hoaxes, UFOs. But my guest was handpicked by God because he has such a credible background; he’s a recognized Bible scholar, been affiliated for many years with Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. He’s a Naval Academy graduate, Branch Chief of the Department of Guided Missiles, a CEO of six public corporations. Chuck there’s an area I said that we would get into today that again most people say you got to be a fringe person to even believe in it and it’s got to do with the abductions of aliens.
Chuck: Yeah, that’s probably the spookiest, but first of all the whole area of UFO’s is so full of nonsense and hoaxes and government cover-ups, it’s a very difficult thing to steer…
Sid: And I might add even with your scientific data and your investigative reporting the thing that makes it so exciting to me is that you tie this entire thing into Bible prophecy that’s been hidden from the church, it was available to the first church, but they haven’t heard about this until now.
Chuck: Yeah, pretty much so because even today the expositors that take it seriously, you know the early church you know Philo Alexandria, Justin Martyr, Hernandez all those guys, but when you get to modern times you still find G.H. Pemard, M.R. DeHahn, Gableline, Arthur W. Pink, Donald Barnhouse, Henry Morris, Muriel Unger, Donald Frundenbaum, Hal Lindsey, Chuck Smith, they will speak of these things but it is a tough area. But when you setting that aside when you get into the probably the freakiest part of this area, are these cases where people apparently report that they have been abducted in these vehicles. Now what’s so strange about this area is that this that is much more prevalent than most people have any idea, unless you are a professional in the consulting field because what happens is when people have these apparent experiences they generally want to hide them. They don’t want to admit it because they immediately it destroys their life, they become marked as fringe and so forth. This problem is so severe that they had a conference at MIT called “Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind,” and it was chaired by John Mack who is the head of physiatry for the Harvard Hospital and so he wrote a book on called “Abductions.” He is an MD prominent, well published doctor; he had apparently dealt with a 176 of these cases personally and they sponsored this conference which was primarily attended by physiologists and physiatrists who in their field of practice encounter people that have these stories are too bizarre to accept on the one hand and yet they have commonality and detail that’s disturbing. In fact John Max challenged to the conference was, “If what these people are saying is happening to them isn’t happening, what is?” And his point is these people have in common their above average in intelligence, they’ve had no prior physiatric history, they clearly have been subjected to some kind of trauma and the details of their story much of which is not published is in common. And so it’s a very very strange area and it’s an area that I’ve had only a couple of incidents with. Right now today, there are people on the search for people who express this having had this experience in which there are physical lesions. See in each one of these so called abduction episodes, what apparently happens is all kinds of intrusive medical experiments are performed. And it’s an area that; and the other thing it’s my tentative conjecture that everyone that has had this kind of involvement also had a prior occultic experience of some kind. And because I made on one of my radio broadcasts made the statement that “I didn’t believe that a Christian can be abducted,” if they are as demonic as I think they are, I think that a Christian has protection over that. Well, I got a call from a producer, so I can speak freely I won’t mention his name, but a Hollywood producer called me on the phone and I was quite startled because I don’t normally get those kinds of calls. And he says, “Chuck I heard you on the radio and I happen to know a lot about this area and your were tracking a 100% with me until you said that a Christian can’t be abducted and you need to investigate the Betty, I think the Franteson affair.” And I was so startled by the call I well start, but I did some homework. Well the affair he makes reference to is well documented; but it is a case where the person involved, even though they were a twenty year old, twenty year Spirit Filled Christian hadn’t had an abduction experience. But if you read her affidavit carefully she was invited and accepted the invitation. Technically not abduction, and the point that I make in most of my materials is if someone is a Christian, they should avoid these things; number one, not accept any invitations to participate in these kinds of things; they are demonic no matter how enticing they may seem and so I know that sounds pretty spooky, but this is for most of us fortunately this is fringe stuff we don’t encounter this every day. But for people that have had these encounters they are very traumatic, there very serious and they are very damaging, and we need to understand that. And one of the reasons this is so relevant, if we understand Christ’s remark in the Olivet discourse; “As the days of Noah were so shall the days of the coming of Son of man be.” That just underscores our need to recognize these things because they will be a sign of the end times. They’ll have eschatological implications; so if we’re correct we can expect them, UFO sightings will increase, that these experiences of abduction are going to multiply in our society and there are so many forces at work, this is not people that have these encounters try to protect their privacy and I don’t blame them, because if journalist find out it they just get mobbed. And I had a very very interesting encounter with a couple with a physiatrist that came to me after one of our talks and the net of it was that it was a very well documented situation. But I advised her, your husband’s here, your pastor’s here, I suggest you take this documentation, put it in a safe deposit box, protect it in that sense, but I would keep it a secret; no one else, because if the journalists find out about this, they’ll destroy your life; and wanting to publish books and all that sort of stuff and that was my counsel to them.
Sid: But do you know what I find so fascinating about all this because of the way my mind operates now that you’ve given me this missing link in you will, I’m fitting so many things together in end time Bible prophecy; But it appears as though that it was God’s intent to wipe out this breed of fallen angels that cohabited with women, that this new species if you will; that God really, now that my eyes are open, I see where God was trying to destroy them. And I often wondered why God wanted to wipe out all the members of certain tribes; there was reasons beyond the reasons.
Chuck: Exactly right, and to make a distinction between the high breds’ that result is which what God wanted to wipe out, with the fallen angels that caused it because the fallen angels were incarcerated and both Peter and Jude make reference to that and maybe Revelation also alludes to it. The point is that the angels that indulged in those things apparently have been incarcerated, but the hi-breds that resulted from their mischief was what was the target of the flood of Noah was; verse 9 of Genesis 6 points out that the ones that, Noah and his family were distinctive in that they, their genealogies were not contaminated by these goings on. Well, Joshua was instructed when they enter the land to wipe out certain, four specific tribes and all men, women and children. That as a New Testament reader you’re shocked because you don’t recognize what’s behind the scenes here is a gene pool problem that God is dealing with. All of these things were in effect Satan’s attack on the advent of the Messiah and these maneuvers if you will, were designed to nullify Satan’s attempt to contaminate the human geno. And so it’s a strange area the on the face of it sounds pretty fringy, but it turns out much as it surprised me to realize that unless you really understand Genesis 6 carefully a lot of the Old Testament won’t make sense and it certainly several of the key passages of the…
Sid: Now if Joshua would had wiped them out, we wouldn’t have had this problem today!
Chuck: Well not only that, there were certain places where he failed to do that, and one is a place called Bishan, which today is known as the Golan Heights. The other one is the region that we call what the worldly press calls the West Bank and the other place is the place called Gaza. And what’s fascinating is the very places that today are still in dispute are the same place; if you do a study of the book of Judges and do it with a map, you’ll discover those places where they failed to do what God told them to do are places even to this day are the pockets of the contest in Israel today. It’s a very very strange panorama.
Sid: I’m just curious, I hear you speaking in great detail and this teaching here is invaluable to put together end times “The Return of the Nephilim.” ….why aren’t more people teaching on this?
Chuck: Well, because first of all there is a, I’ve discovered in my own exposition that people who really take the Bible seriously are in the minority. The tragedy of today’s pulpits is most pastors really haven’t learned their Bible. They have learned a lot of things…
Sid: You do such line upon line study of the Bible and this particular series…
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Chuck Missler. Chuck is a Naval Academy graduate, Branch Chief of Department of Guided Missiles, CEO of six public companies, has been known as a tremendous Bible teacher affiliated and taught the Bible at Calvary Chapel at Costa Mesa, California. And when I heard he was getting involved in the subject of UFO’s I’ve always thought Chuck, that this is a hoax, but you have two CDs called “Returned of the Nephilim” in which you have done investigative reporting. Excellent I might add investigative reporting, that where is there is a lot of hoaxes involved in the UFO industry there’s a lot of evidence that causes us to believe something is going on. But then you teach on the Bible areas I’ve never heard taught before and I believe that you have vital information that has been missing; it’s almost been covered up. Give us some evidence that you have found to cause those that feel that it’s just fringe people and a fringe area with this UFO’s that it’s real.
Chuck: Well, that kind of skepticism is very well placed because there is probably no other area that I know of that is more crowded with nonsense, with deliberate hoaxes, contrived photographs, stories that don’t check out by the thousands, by the way. So any one that tries to jump into this area to do some research has a very daunting task to cut through all of this. But the thing is as you do if you take the effort to get into it, you suddenly discover that despite the abundance of nonsense that also pervades the area and strange publications and I won’t go down all of those things. In all of that though, what emerges are legitimate examples; first of all thirteen of our astronauts have publically confirmed sightings on their missions and so forth and you know clouding their own credibility it would seem they risk that as astronauts collaborating this kind of stuff. And the reason one of things that makes it so difficult is the phenomenology that one encounters even in the legitimate you know, collaborate a stories are bizarre because on the one hand they leave physical evidence; radioactivity on the ground or burnt ground or other indications of actually having been there and they also show up on multiple radars simultaneously. Now radars don’t have you know hallucinations so that’s on the one hand demonstrates that they actually are physical phenomena on the one hand. On the other hand, they behave in ways that are physically impossible. They go faster than the speed of sound without sonic booms; they make right angle turns at enormous speeds that don’t make sense from any kind of inertia.
Sid: Now we know this from our radar tracking?
Chuck: Yes, oh yes from collaborated accounts and so and they also seem to have the ability to materialize and dematerialize. Now the two most respected researchers in history was J. Allen Heineck of the American and Jacque Volley the Frenchman. These two guys that were very proliferate writers and really researched this all the way through you know the late forties fifties and so forth. They both past away since by the way, but they did a lot of serious research, they both of them independently came to the conclusion that: a. these things are not intergalactic as some people like to image them for some good reasons. They believe that they were hyper-dimensional, comeback to that issue in a minute. The second thing is that they also felt that these things are deliberately deceptive and so to someone that is really trying to research those things are very critical…
Sid: So you believe that there is a miss information campaign so that most people will think that these are hoaxes.
Chuck: Exactly right, and that is the other thing that comes about on top of the hoaxes there’s also government interference in a number of cases, many, many cases where the government will step in and either and cloud the issue with misinformation in an attempt to cloud. The most famous example of that in the US is the Roswell incident in England they have their Rendlesham Forest incident; another place where the government gets in and goes at a great lengths to hide what really happened and generates stories that are preposterous to discredit the people that are trying to find out what’s going on. So the government interference is repetitive and in many ways; there’s an area now this gets into a little sophication there; but there’s an area in intelligence called disinformation. One of the ways that you can hide something is to create information about it that is fundamentally spurious when that information is discredited it tends to discredit; it’s another way of hiding the reality and that disinformation techniques are widely used within the intelligence world and that’s exactly part of which is going on in the UFO area. So the only reason I got into this because I discovered much to my amazement is that some of these issues are very fundamental in understanding certain passages in the Bible. And so that’s when we started me and my associates, Mark Eastman and others and we really rolled up our sleeves, due to get into this area. But our primary goal was to try to understand what the Bible perspectives were about this area and the disinformation and the difficulties was in researching this area is very tough with because of not just the hoaxes, but the fact that there’s deliberate efforts with people with substantial resources trying to hide the area.
Sid: I think that it’s absolutely amazing the documentation that you’ve put into these two CD’s were making available “The Return of the Nephilim.” But do you believe that these are aliens from other planets or do you believe conclusively that these are demons?
Chuck: I personally, the conclusive is probably pretty strong one, but I personally conclude, let’s put it that way, that first of all that they are not aliens from other planets. Now there’s a number of reasons why most serious researcher in this area tend to disregard that for some other physics reasons. But the main point is I do think that they are demonic. I think that they have an agenda and I think that when you look at these things through Biblically oriented glasses so to speak they have an agenda and its one of deceit and confusion.
Sid: But well, if I can take that one step further, could you give me some sanctified speculation as to what their agenda really is?
Chuck: Well, that’s probably a little hard, but I can tell you this, Jesus seemed to indicate that this kind of activity will increase prior to His second coming. He when He gave a confidential briefing to four of His disciples He indicated that “As the days of Noah were, so shall the coming of the Son of man be.” So to understand His remarks one has to really dig in and understand what really happened to bring about the flood of Noah? And whatever that was apparently is going to be a major factor as we get closer and closer to His second coming. And that was one of the reasons we put the effort into wanting to understand that is from the Biblical point of view is because it is in effect not just an important historical foundation to the Old Testament, which it turns out to be by the way, but also it’s a clue into what to expect. And I think that these are going to be part of a major deception that will come upon the mankind.
Sid: You know my mind is just going a million miles an hour as I start seeing your Bible Study and seeing your Documentary evidence, it’s almost as if it’s a high bred race walking around. You know parable of the tares and the wheat and you can’t tell the difference until the judgment. Could there be a descendents of this high bred race among us?
Chuck: Well, Daniel seems to speak about that; in Daniel Chapter 2, He talks about, I remember the different metals the gold, the silver, the bronze, and the iron mixed with clay?
Sid: Right.
Chuck: He goes on to explain the clay, “He says as for the miry clay, they turns to a personal pronoun; they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men,” as in Verse 43 of Daniel 2. Well for the grammar requires that they in order to mingle with the seed of men, but they must be something other than the seed of men or you cannot mingle. You see in other words it implies two separate things the things that are being comingled. Well, the they there is the suggestion that whatever the they are, they are not the seed of men, and so there’s a hint, just a hint but it’s almost required by the grammar that there is some kind of creatures that are being introduced that are going to contaminate or mingle or make less pure. It seems to be an echo of this high bred thing that Genesis six talks about. And that’s one of the reasons that I think this area from a Bible point of view needs to be understood, because it turns out the more you get into this, it’s an essential foundational understanding to really understand what else is going on in the Old Testament.
Sid: It really helps you put it altogether; it’s just hard for me to believe that I have never heard anyone talk on this before the way you present it in your two CDs.
Chuck: Well, I think that that’s one of the tragedies of our seminary system, because in the seminaries you would think that they would have an obligation to present the alternative views of some of these controversial issues and then justify the one that they favor. But they don’t do that though, they present just the one side and you generally, only rarely do you run into what’s called the Angel View of Genesis 6. They sell a thing called the Sethite View of Genesis 6, which is a way to try to cover this all up. And we’ve gotten a lot of correspondence from people that are seminary graduates that are presently executives in the publishing world or whatever, that they express they’re upset with their own back ground because when they went through their graduate schools and so forth they weren’t ever taught the Angels View. And yet if you do the homework; if you dig into the literature you’ll discover that is the traditional view. That was the view of the early church, the Angel View that is; it is also the view of a substantial number of modern commentators too. This not a fringe thing within the Biblical Fundamental Community; it is a controversial view. Different people have different views, but at the same time the Angel View carries the implementer of some of the most conservative of the, you know the expositional scholars in the publishing world.
Sid: You know you have some of the most amazing statistics of about these abductions and UFOs of what; I want to get into that on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: This is the time we need to see that glory, and that’s why I’m spot lighting some amazing gifts of the Spirit through human vessels and I have on the telephone Denny Cramer who functions and as New Covenant Prophet. He’s prophesied over thousands and thousands of people for over thirty-three years and he’s learned a lot, but he’s still learning. And at the start of the year, the Holy Spirit came on him and he was given ten words for the year. Denny quickly you shared two of them. Share the other eight and briefly what each one means.
Denny: The third word for the year was filters. And the Lord said to me, “As each believer walks in obedience, which was the first word, that all negative hearing filters, that is blockages, hindrances, and restrictions that affect our hearing the voice of God were going to be removed. He said, to me…
Sid: I’ll take that; I’ll grab it right now! Ha-ha.
Denny: You’re doing what we got to do, we got to grab this. He said, perfect prophetic perception or hearing, PPP. Perfect prophetic, perception is going to be restored to the Church. A spirit of deafness is going to come off the Bride and I heard the Church declare, I can hear again. So that was the third word. The fourth word was honor. The Lord said that it was the year to give honor. This means that Churches need to increase the honor that they are showing their leaders. The Bible says, “Honor to whom it is do and the Lord said that has been acute shortage being bestowed in the Church. In fact in our culture we’re not real good at understanding this, but in the Bible culture, honor was a big deal. So for 2010 the Lord said, “Tell everybody, to pay their debt of Honor, pay up says the Lord, He said that we need to begin to honor those who over the years have left us in ministry. Not to get something from them, even if you got to go back thirty-years and bless someone that blessed you thirty years ago, honor to who honor is do. The next word is wisdom. And this verse is so exciting to me; I want to preach it at every church service. He said, “The wisdom of God is going to be heard and seen in and through the Church as never before; the verse is Ephesians 3:10.
Sid: So that’s going to cause the world go come after us.
Denny: Absolutely.
Sid: Because they’re going to have the opposite.
Denny: Listen to this, He said, “The Church is going to be the place to be in 2010. The Church is going to be the happening place; the verse the Bible says “It is God’s intention that right now His wisdom is going to be made known in and through the church to all heavenly and even demonic principalities and powers. So the Lord said to me “You don’t want to get – join Mensa, you don’t want to become a Fortune 500 Corporate Executive, you don’t want to become a Joint Chief of Staff. What you want to do is get into the Church because it’s going to be through the Church that the wisdom of God is going to be made known and there is going to be a little expression this year, you heard it here first, where? In the Church. The next word is creative. God showed me that Apostles and Prophets were going to unleash borage of prophetic creative declarations over Churches. These won’t be sermons or teachings, but they will be literal creative declarations from Heaven literal awakening word that will have a life giving dimension to them so that when apostles and prophets do their job and leave the church and go on to the next church, they will literally have changed the atmosphere of the church. And the Lord even kind of scared me He said, “Apostles and prophets for 2010 will operate and express more revelation in their ministry than over the last ten years combined. So it’s going to be a year of great creativity for apostles and prophets. Number 7 was media and I’m just going to read it the way the Lord gave it to me; for 2010 we are take the media back from the world. Any Christian ministry that has an opportunity to get on the radio or TV needs to do it now says the Lord. Number 8 was fear; the Lord said “The Church needs to repent of the sin of fear, it’s an epidemic in the Church and the Lord wants us to go from fearful to fearless because the devil has used fear as his number 1 strategy to paralyze the Church and its working. Number 9 -holiness. It is time for the church to clean up her act. He verse that God gave me was, “There is a filthiness of the flesh and a filthiness of the spirit and this must be eradicated from the Church. Now number 10 was dream; and He said, “For 2010 it will be a year where all believers’s will begin to see a dramatic increase of spiritual dreams that they will experience. Seventy-five percent will be warnings. So the Holy Spirit says take heed to your dreams.
Sid: Now with me personally, I have had dreams that are literal but most of my dreams are symbolic and to be candid with you I’m not sure of what they mean and so I usually just ignore them because I don’t really interpret them to my satisfaction. Do you believe that there will be more literal dreams?
Denny: I do, yeah, I think about the four dreams surrounded the birth of Jesus Christ. These were literal warnings that they heeded that protected the Son of God upon His birth, Yes I believe that many times dreams can be literal especially the one that are warning.
Sid: Now when you have prophetic words, I imagine that there’s a lot of times that you don’t understand what you’re saying, but the person receiving them know exactly what you’re saying. For instance you had a word once for someone, “Don’t give your ticket away. I bet you had difficulty giving that word.
Denny: Not only did I have difficulty giving it, but when I was done I said, that’s the stupidest prophecy I have ever heard and I’m the one that gave it.
Sid: Well, what did it mean to the person that got it?
Denny: Well, I stood this just little cute as a button little twenty-five year old blond up in my meeting looking like my daughter and I said, to her publically Sid, “The Lord would say, because I had a vision, and I saw a train, and I saws a conductor and I saw a train station. And I saw this train pulling up. And in a vision I saw this, so I said, I’m going to describe what I see. The right train is coming, until the right train comes don’t give your ticket away. So the Lord would say that when the right train does come along that’s when you give your ticket away. Don’t do it, don’t do it, don’t do it till the right train get here says the Lord. Do not give your ticket away. Sid I had absolutely no idea, what it meant I was begging the Holy Spirit for an interpretation when I done giving it the church didn’t know what it meant, I didn’t know what it meant, I’m sure the little girl didn’t know what it meant. After the meeting she walks up I’m suppose to tell you what my Dad told me to tell you. I said, “Well, who are you? I’m the lady that you just said, “Don’t give your ticket away.” I went, “Oh, yeah. Does that mean anything to you?” Absolutely, three nights ago I was at my boyfriend house, Nathan’s a believer, I’m a believer. We were sitting on the couch watching TV. Here’s the phone call that my Dad and I had, he calls me around 11:15. I pick up the phone, “Oh hi Dad.” “Hi, sweetheart, how are you doing sweetheart?” “Doing good Dad,” “Well, sweetheart, do you still have your ticket?” “Yeah, I do Dad, I have it right here in my purse.” “Okay, honey we agreed that you wouldn’t give your ticket away right.” “Yes, Dad I still have it don’t worry.” “Okay honey, just remember don’t give your ticket away.” And I said, “Young lady what are you telling me?” She said, “You prophesied the secret code language that my Father and I devised that I would remain sexually pure until I got married.” My Dad couldn’t call me on the phone and say honey, are you being sexually pure tonight? He couldn’t call me on the phone and say honey, and say “Honey are you still a virgin?” So we devised a secret code which was, “Don’t give your ticket away,” which was a symbolic code language meaning are you behaving yourself with your boyfriend Nathan? So she said, you prophesied the secret code language just between my Dad and me.
Sid: Now, out of curiosity, do you ever prophesy healing for people and they get healed?
Denny: Hundreds of times, in fact I’ve had a history of doing just that; I’ll have a word or knowledge that will reveal the need for the healing and then the healing gift kicks in. Yes I have.
Sid: And have you ever had prophetic words of what’s blocking the healing?
Denny: Precisely. If it’s a spirit I know the spirit of infirmity that’s causing it and I often will see over people these spirit in action and I will address the spirit and then prophecy healing and then they get healed.
Sid: How about something of people that want to have children and can’t have children.
Denny: As a matter my greatest healing gift is in the area of barrenness. I have literally hundreds of testimonies around the world from barren couples who could not conceive where it was revealed to me that a spirit of barrenness.
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Shira Sorko-Ram. She’s reporting to us from Jerusalem, Israel. Shira, what is the feeling like of the average Israeli with the threat of Iran, all the missiles, everything? What is like to live in Israel being pressed from almost every side?
Shira: Well obviously the two greatest pressures against the Israelis is, number one, Iran, which is, as I said before, acting just like Hitler did with his mouth, and secondly, the United Nations.
Sid: Why is the United Nations so against Israel?
Shira: It is so simple to tell you. There’s around 50 Arab nations in the Arab League. That’s not exactly the number, but around 50, and so that’s out of close to around 200 member nations. And then you have another 70 or 80 nations that are either partly or wholly Islamic. And so the United Nations is simply dominated by Islam. And so whatever the oil countries, whatever they direct, these other nations move with them.
Sid: Speaking of the United Nations passing a resolution, what do you think about the reports that this September, the United Nations might declare a Palestinian state without Israel’s consent or working out any peace arrangements?
Shira: Israel has asked the Palestinian authorities and said, look, just recognize our nation that we have a right to exist as Jewish nation, just like you have a right to exist all these other nations around that are Arab nations, Islamic nations. Let us have one nation and recognize us, and secondly, agree to stop your terrorism against us. That’s what Israel is asking. Now the Palestinians say, no, we’re not gonna do that. We’re not gonna recognize and we want all of our Palestinian, several million refugees, so called, and that’s a whole other tale. We want them to come back to Israel, which means, of course, that it wouldn’t be a Jewish state any more. And so Israel has been going, ever since I’ve been in this country, this is what has been the conflict. And so now the Palestinians are saying, hey, we’re not gonna agree to that. And so we just decided we’re going declare our own state, period. And if the United Nations agrees and all the other nations agree then we have our own state. That is what is coming up in September.
Sid: Briefly, what could you foresee happening to the United States if they do not veto this and go along with the resolution to declare a Palestinian state?
Shira: Yeah. Well that means that they’re dividing up the nation and that’s what Joel, the prophet Joel said that God was going to come against these nations because they are dividing up the land. You can’t do it because God gave this tiny little wisp of a nation to the Jewish people. Now God loves the Arab people. He’s given them, I think it’s, how much is it, 562 times more land than He gave to Israel. But the Arabs want that next little piece of land. But it’s not going to happen. Israel is going to be here. God’s going to keep His promise, and the nations that come against Israel will see tragedy coming to them.
Sid: Last question, Shira. Will there be a revival among Jewish people before the Rapture? Many Christians say, let’s not share with the Jewish people because after the Rapture they’ll get saved. What do you think?
Shira: That is horrible, horrible way to think, because even if that were true, which I don’t see it that way, every Jewish person that dies without having salvation, he’s lost, just like anybody else. Look, the Bible says, Yeshua said, look, to the Pharisees, to these unbelieving Pharisees, “You’ll not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’” That means somebody who’s accepting the Messiah. In the Book of Acts, Peter is talking to the people there and he says, “Believe on the Lord, Yeshua, and when you do, all of these things are going to be fulfilled and then the Lord will send the Messiah back.”
Sid: I see a great Jewish revival that’s about ready to happen in Joel, too. What do you see there?
Shira: I believe it. I believe that there’s going to be a revival and they’re going to be here. And when Yeshua comes back to this earth, they’re going to say, “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.” Yes, there’s going to be many, many Jewish saved people who are waiting for Yeshua to come back.
Sid: What’s the climate among Jewish people right now, young Jewish people in Israel?
Shira: I think they’re looking. They’re looking and as we get stronger and have more opportunities to get the Good News out by ways that we don’t have at our disposal: television, Internet, media, they’ll have a chance to hear, and I believe they’re going to really receive. I know when I talk to individuals they’re very open to me.
Sid: Shira, thank you for so much for being my guest on It’s Supernatural.
Shira: Thank you, Sid.
Sid: And thank you for listening to us. You don’t realize how prophetic this show has been. You know in Obadiah 1:15, it says, “If you have done unto Israel, it will be done unto you.” And in Joel, Chapter 3, it’s been pointed out, “There will judgment on the nations for one specific sin, dividing up my plan.” Well all this is going on. You see how End Times are speeding up. I wish more people would understand God’s law of evangelism. When God wanted to reach the world, He went to who? The Jew, Abraham. When Jesus wanted to reach the whole world, who did he go to? He said, “I got only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.” When Paul wanted to reach the whole world, who did he go to? He said, in Romans 1:16, “I go to the Jew first.” That is God’s strategy. By going to the Jew first, it opens up a supernatural door of evangelism for gentiles beyond anything the world has ever seen. This is God’s method. Amos, Chapter 9, it says, “When the Tabernacle of David is restored,” and the word “Tabernacle” in Hebrew means “house”. When our family, when the family of David is restored the Jewish people will be the greatest gentile revival in history. Get it right, folks. It’s going on, I hope, right now.
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Shira Sorko Ram reporting to us from Jerusalem. And Shira, I have to find out from you, what is your spin on what’s going on in Egypt? What’s going with the young people in their protests throughout the entire Middle East? I don’t think there’s ever been a time in the history of the world that there’s been so many protests going on in the Middle East like this.
Shira: Absolutely. You know, I would love to think that the Arab people were going to go into a democratic style government. But because Islam is so strong in these nations, I just read polls today about Egypt. Way over a majority of Egyptians want their government to break the agreement, the peace treaty with Israel. The people don’t want Israel here. And so in a democracy what’s going to happen is the Islamics, which are in the majority in Egypt, are going to take over. And it is a tragedy because Islam is a spirit that hates the Arab people as much as anybody else, you know. It’s a spirit of death. And wherever Islam is there’s death of their own people, first of all and then of course their desire to destroy Israel and the western nations.
Sid: Shira, politically, a group called the Muslim Brotherhood is getting a lot of good press in the United States. But who is the Muslim Brotherhood and why is it bad for the world that they’re literally, it looks like they’re going to be taking over a lot of these countries?
Shira: Well let me explain it this way. The difference between the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda is that Al Qaeda kind of comes out with its guns smoking and they want to take over by violence. The Brotherhood says, look, we can have the same goals, but we’ll do it through elections. And but their goal is just Al Qaeda, to have a worldwide Caliphate.
Sid: There is an increasing anti-Semitism worldwide, even some compare it to what it was during Hitler. We’ve never seen such ferocious anti-Semitism worldwide. Why is this going on at this time?
Shira: Well I think that, again, Islam, wherever it goes is carrying on the theology of Hitler. And so because you have so many Islamics now in Europe and they’re pushing this agenda of anti-Semitism, that it is spreading. It is definitely spreading. And Ahmadinejad in Iran is saying exactly the same things a Hitler did. Back in Hitler’s day, people didn’t believe him. Today, they do not believe the Iranian president.
Sid: At the same time, Shira, and it’s so amazing to me, Israel is prospering like almost no country I know. The shekel, compared to the U.S. dollar is so much better. What’s going on in your real estate, your pricing me out of being able to buy a home, in the high tech industry. How could this all be going on with the whole world doing so many horrible things to Israel?
Shira: It’s crazy. It is absolutely crazy. But you’re right. You know, this little start-up nation is creating and creating, and creating. It’s obviously the blessing of God.
Sid: Question. Who owns the Land of Israel?
Shira: The Bible says it is His land, with a capital “H”. And so God is going to keep His promises. He’s always kept His promises, and there is no nation that is going to destroy this nation. However, the nations that come against Israel will ultimately be destroyed. I know that sounds terrible. I know it’s hard to believe and I don’t even like saying it. But that’s what the Bible says. When I see what’s happening, the wars and rumors of wars and the killings all over the earth, yeah, it’s gonna happen. And more and more nations that come against Israel are going to, themselves, have disaster happen to them.
Sid: Shira, what about the pawns, if you will, of this situation, the Palestinians? What can be done with them?
Shira: You know, Sid, there is no political solution, absolutely no political solution. The only solution is Yeshua, the Messiah. When the Arab people find God and receive the Messiah, believe the Bible, they love the Jewish people. We have friends among the Arabs who are so strong in favor of Israel. They say, one preacher says, “I’m a Ruth congregation. I have become a part of the inheritance of Israel.” That’s the only solution. So even the Israeli government realizes that. And they encourage missionary work among the Arabs. I can tell you right now that in the Palestinian areas there are groups of Muslims who have come to believe in the Messiah. Of course, if it were known they would be killed themselves.
Sid: Shira, we’re going to have to take a break right now. But when we come back, we’re going to discuss what is going to happen in the United States of America this September. You must hear this. Please do not go away. Be right back.
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I am so concerned about what might happen to the United States of America in September, and that’s why I’m going to take you shortly to Jerusalem, Israel. I’m going to be interviewing a friend of mine, Shira Sorko Ram. Shira immigrated to Israel in 1967. What a historic date, Jerusalem in Jewish hands for the first time in thousands of years. And she was there to see what was happening. And Shira has been, had a Molotov cocktail tossed into her apartment because she’s an outspoken Messianic Jew. But she is the most insightful, prophetic reporter I know in the Middle East. Shira, Shalom.
Shira: Shalom, Sid. Glad to be with you.
Sid: Shira, what a time to be in Israel, 1967, Jerusalem in Jewish possession for the first time in thousands of years. Tell me what it was like living in Israel in ’67.
Shira: Well it truly was one of the highest, greatest moments of all of Israel’s history. Yitzhak Rabin, who later became the Prime Minister, here’s how he felt, and it’s how the whole nation felt. He said, “I felt truly shaken and stood there murmuring a prayer for peace.” This is when he first saw the Western Wall. And he said, “Multi guerillas of paratroopers were struggling to reach the wall and to touch it. We stood among a tangle of rugged battle-weary men who were unable to believe their eyes or restrain their emotions. Their eyes were moist with tears, their speech incoherent. The overwhelming desire was to cling to the Wall, to hold on to that great moment as long as possible.” When I got here, that’s what people were talking about. They were saying the days of Messiah are here. The Israelis just couldn’t stay out of the old city. They swarmed through every little store and place, and the Arabs were stunned at the victory that Israel had, and Israel had immediately cleared out that whole area around the Western Wall. And so there were just thousands and thousands of people, 24 hours a day, down at the Western Wall. The country was in euphoria. People were saying there will never be another war again. The Arabs have finally learned the lesson and it is the days of Messiah.
Sid: And you were telling me that moment when so many Israelis at the Western Wall sang a song that’s very popular in Israel, “Jerusalem of Gold”. What was that like?
Shira: Well we were heading towards the old city on Yom Ha’atzmaut, which was the Independence Day, which was the first independence day of a united Jerusalem. And actually, the crowd was so great that I only got as far as Jaffa Gate, which is the main western gate. And there in front of me were thousands, perhaps a couple a hundred thousand people, and they all began singing just out of the blue, “Jerusalem of Gold.” It was the most amazing moment of my life. I knew that something was connecting me with Israel that I had not dreamed of before. And again, the people were saying, this is the time of the Bible. These are Bible days again. And these were, many of these people didn’t even believe in God, and they certainly didn’t know about the true Messiah. But they saw that we were entering the last days.
Sid: Shira, many members of our audience do not know the history of Israel. The history of Israel is miracle after miracle, after miracle. Could you give us a very brief snapshot of the history of modern day Israel.
Shira: Well you know, the sad thing is that the British Empire had the opportunity to create Israel and they messed up. In 1917, they delivered a declaration that the Holy Land, that Palestine was going to be a homeland for the Jews. But over the next few years, they would back on that. They gave 76 percent to the Hashemite Jordanian government. And then what was left, they decided to divide that up again, and finally they just raised their hands, left a lot of their weapons to the Arabs and took off, and left it to the U.N. So Britain really missed the greatest opportunity that was ever given to them. And you know, when Britain went into World War II, it was said that the sun never sets on their empire. And when Britain came out of World War II, after turning its back on Israel, there was nothing left of it except a few islands, like the Falkland Islands.
Sid: What do you personally account for that happening? What is the cause that Britain went from being like the United States of America to almost third world?
Shira: The Bible says, “I will bless those who bless you,” meaning the seed of Abraham, “and I will curse those who curse you.” In 1939, when Hitler was gathering up his troops to exterminate the Jewish and it succeeded in six million, the British put out what’s called the “White Paper” and said only 75,000 Jews a year can come to the Holy Land, and after 1944, whatever the Arabs say can come. And so the millions of Jews who could have come back to the Land of Israel were instead destroyed in Hitler’s ovens. And I do believe that there is no greater sign of a curse than for an empire like England to lose almost everything she had.
Sid: Now I want to correct one thing that I said. They didn’t go third world, but they lost most of the nations that they had. They went from one of the more powerful nations in the world history to being, and also ran, so to speak. Now I’m setting the stage for you right now to find out what is about to happen if America makes the wrong decision in September. Don’t go away. Be right back after this word.
Sid: Now my guest Brenda Kunneman cannot speak enough about what most Christians are missing because they’ve either never spoken in unknown tongues or they’ve spoken it and they’ve stopped because “Christian society has stopped.” But Brenda prays forously in tongues and other times quietly in tongues; people get healed when she does that as we found out on yesterday’s broadcast. She even gets names of people; tell me about someone whose name you got Brenda.
Brenda: Well, I was preaching in a meeting in another country and it was actually in a women’s conference and I had just been asking God for supernatural manifestations so I called out this name and it was the name Angel. I said, “Your name is Angel.” Now you know I always try to encourage people, I said your name is Angel or your, it sounds to me in the Spirit like you have a Father that called you by that name. So if either your real name is Angel or maybe that was a nickname, come up here. Well the funniest thing happened, now this is a woman’s conference 3 or 4,000 people there and a man comes up! I’m like, a man, I said, “How did you even get in here, this is a meeting?” He said, “Well I was doing some work in the back with the equipment and he said, I heard you say Angel.” He said, “My name is Angel and so I began to prophecy some things about his destiny and then I stopped and I said, “The Lord tells me and I ministered to him; and then I said now, how many times you call out in a woman’s conference and a man comes, I mean that was supernatural by itself. But I said, “Somebody else in here and I hear the Lord said you almost didn’t come to this meeting, you traveled a distance and you came here desperate for the manifestation of healing for your child. You almost did not come, in fact God says, “You were feeling guilty about leaving your child; your child in another city somewhere else, you felt guilty about leaving, God says and your name is “Angel” God says, don’t feel guilty, your child is about to receive a miracle.” This woman is standing there next to this man named Angel; are you with me? Standing there next to this man and she’s crying and crying and crying and she says, “My Father always nicknamed me Angel and I came here I just gave birth to a little baby and the baby is premature and the baby is back home.” in fact we weren’t in the United States, we were in Latin America. And she said, “The baby’s back in the US; I almost didn’t come to this meeting, but something in me and I was suppose to come here;” and she said, “I came here anyway in fact my family and people criticized me; they said, “How can you leave your child on the incubator in this hospital and she said, I don’t know, just something drew me and I came.” And I spoke to her and I pointed at her by the Spirit of God and I said, “Woman go home, you’re child’s healed from this hour.” I got testimony later and I found this out, I was visiting in another church here in the US and a lady came up to me and she said, “You know I’m this woman’s pastor.” I just want you to know she was at that meeting and she mentioned this lady; this was probably six months later. She said, “You called her out, which you didn’t know that this child was home sick, the doctor’s had given a bad report, she is premature and when she got home, just as you spoke her child was off the tubes, her child was breathing, and the doctors said, you’re baby is going to make it.” Now, this all happened in a matter of a few hours from the time that God called her out. See, these are the levels of supernatural power God wants to manifest through His people. This is the kind of supernatural occurrences that we’re living in this hour and that’s why I mean there’s a desperate world that needs this level of manifestation. And so from the time I spoke that, which we did the timing, from the time I spoke God said, “Your child’s healed from this hour,” that baby within hours was completely made well. And that’s the kind of manifestation of the power of God that I see God wanting to bring the church into. It will look like the shores of Galilee; it’ll look like the early church like the Gate Beautiful when Peter and John walked up to the man at the Gate Beautiful and said “Such as, arise and walk!” That’s where God wants to bring the church and listen we’re seeing it Sid all over the world; fingers growing out, people getting healed.
Sid: Finger’s growing out?
Brenda: Fingers, I’m getting reports, I haven’t seen this personally, but I’m getting reports of people that are having fingers growing out. I had a woman here in my own experience; I had a woman who we prayed for, in fact she didn’t believe in the supernatural. Get this, she did not even believe in the supernatural; we laid hands on her, I prayed for her, she came up and you know I felt like man, man she looked like man she looked like she was going to bite me, I could tell she only went up because her friend told her, she said, “She had kidney stones.” Her friend said, “Get up there and get prayer and forced her to go to the front;” she didn’t even believe in healing, she didn’t believe in this Holy Spirit, she didn’t even believe there be any Holy Ghost and she went up to the front and I went and prayed for her and I remember this, this is so funny I remember this, she looked mad, you know, I thought oh, I prayed for her and she looked at me with that face and I thought my gosh. I went on and prayed for other people; and all of a sudden somebody came up from the back, this was in this meeting, came up from the back and said, “That lady you prayed for, she was my friend I brought her, she went in the back, she had terrible kidney stones, she went in the back in the bathroom and said she passed them and she’s totally not in any pain. She didn’t even believe in the power of God, now she believes, the woman was saved, it is a total transformation of a life because of the supernatural anointing; this is why we need power in the church.
Sid: Brenda, the whole week the presence of God has been sky high on our interview. I would be remise before God if I didn’t ask you to pray prophetically for healing for people right now.
Brenda: Yes, yes, if you are listening I want you to get ready to receive because I feel the presence of God right now! You prepare yourself, some of you I hear by the Spirit of the Lord, you’re about to receive a complete turnaround in your body, in fact some of you I hear a heart problem, there’s somebody out there you have a heart problem that the doctors are saying bypass, bypass, bypass. The Lord says, “I am going to bypass, I’m going to bypass what their speaking” in fact the Lord says “You won’t need the bypass, I’m going to bypass and they’re going to look at your heart and say “It looks like you had a heart transplant,” that’s what I hear God say, “It looks like you had a transplant we can’t even recognize the heart that we took pictures of weeks ago, it’s not the heart that you have now.” I hear God say that, so I want to pray for people if need a creative miracles, if you need healing in your body, you just get ready to receive the presence of the Lord is here, it’s ready to heal right now. So I stretch my hands Father to every person that’s listening over the airwaves right now, in the Name of Jesus and I decree the healing the healing power of God, I say tumors melt in the name of Jesus, tumors melt, I say body parts be whole, ligaments line up, I say fungus’s dry up right now in the Name of the Lord Jesus, I say eyes be open, cataracts be dissolved, I say to glaucoma you have no power I curse you at the root in the Name of Jesus; I say hair loss you cease and you stop in the Name of Jesus, in the Name of Jesus, I speak to the ligaments of osteoporosis, I speak to degenerative bone diseases and I say right now, right now I interrupt you by the power of the Living Lord Jesus the Messiah your power disease your disease is broken over person listening to the sound of my voice and right wow, I say miracle power go in fact, in fact, in fact I hear this the Lord says, “That is you’ll believe it you’ll feel the physical manifestation moving through your body like fire in the Name of Jesus. Healing, healing, and miracles be upon you now in Jesus Name, Amen, Amen. Sid I believe that we are going to get reports.
Sid: I know that and I had a vision of someone’s fingers not necessarily growing, but pain of any kind in the fingers or any problem in the fingers or even growing. God is doing something with fingers right now in Jesus name. And Brenda, if you were to put it in a couple of sentences, why should people read your new book? “The Supernatural You.”
Brenda: Because I want them to learn they are anointed. What we just prayed they can do, they can do, they don’t need necessarily someone else. That is a dimension of God, but they are anointed, they have the same power that when Jesus walked the earth, the early apostles. And I teach you step by step in the book how to release your own anointing, that’s the key, your own anointing. How to pray the kind of prayers that produce miracles, that’s what we want, that’s what we’re hungry for the kind of prayer that produce miracles. How to literally experience the supernatural for yourself, everywhere you go, every place you walk, every place you drive in your car when you go to work.