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Sid Roth welcomes Bob and Janie Duvall

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Bob and Janie DuVall. There is a phrase called “The fullness of the gentiles” that most people don’t understand. And if I was a gentile that believed Jesus was the Messiah I would understand this. I would want to understand this. Bob, what does “fullness of the gentiles” mean to you?

BOB: Well it comes from, the timing of it comes from Luke, Chapter 21, where Jesus said, “Jerusalem will be trampled down by the gentiles until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled.” Well that’s important to me as a gentile to know what that timing is. And in 1967, Israel, in the Six-Day War, took possession back of Jerusalem, and it has been in Jewish hands. So the exciting thing is we are in the time of the fullness of the gentiles. We go to Romans 11 and Paul said what happens at that time. And he said, “The blindness that has been on many of the Jewish people comes off.” So we’re looking forward to, in this time now that we’re living in, the blindness coming off and multitudes of Jewish people coming to know their Messiah, Jesus.

SID: So what you’re saying is there’s two things to look for to know that we’re at the fullness of the gentiles. First, that Jerusalem would be in Jewish possession. Check. Jerusalem, ’67, as Bob said, in Jewish possession. Two, the spiritual scales come off of the eyes of Jewish people. Now I have lived, when I became a new Jewish believer in the Messiah, I have lived in the period of time where the spiritual scales came off the eyes of Jewish people. Every week I saw Jewish people coming to the Lord. But then it just gradually diminished. So I know the difference between normal times and when the spiritual scales are off. Something new is going on. Something so exciting it absolutely proves we’re at the fullness of the gentile age. It absolutely proves that the Messiah is ready to come back. And this is what I have seen. I rented a secular auditorium in Brighton Beach, New York, Brooklyn, New York. In a ten-block radius there’s 100,000 Soviet Jews. And we advertised, “Lecture on the Supernatural”. And Bob, you were there and I was shocked about how many people showed up to that lecture.

BOB: It was close to 400, Sid, and it was amazing. It was a lot of fun.

SID: But what was even more exciting, Bob, was in the middle of the lecture, a woman gets out of a wheelchair.

BOB: That’s right.

SID: And starts walking. Her attendant stands up and says, “I’ve never seen this woman.” And there was just a rush, a move of the Spirit of the Living God, and when that occurred, close to 400 Soviet Jews made professions of faith. The blindness is coming off.

JANIE: Okay, so now you’re talking about Soviet Jews, but how about plain, old American Jewish people?

SID: Okay, that’s the acid test, Janie. So I went to a suburb of Los Angeles, Oxnard, California. We rented a hotel room. We ran ads in the Jewish press saying, “Lecture on the Supernatural, no charge, and many people that attend the lecture will be healed.” Well something so wonderful happened. This is plain, old American Jews. Close to 400 of them showed up again. I mean, this is unprecedented. This to me is the fullness of the gentile age. And the minute I started speaking, God had what are known as supernatural words of knowledge, and I spoke them out, and something like 30 of them stood up. They didn’t know what was going on. It was just “Lecture on the Supernatural”. Nothing about religion, nothing about Jesus, nothing about God. “Lecture on the Supernatural”. They stood. Thirty of them stood up. They said they were instantly healed. I had their undivided attention and then I told them about the Messiah’s death, burial and resurrection. And 30 stood up in front of everyone and made professions of faith, 30 Jewish people. These are unprecedented.

JANIE: This is the sign of the times.

SID: I believe we are at the fullness of the gentile age. Get your seatbelt a little tightened. We’re going to really go for the greatest outpouring of miracles when you understand as we come back. Be back in just a moment.

Sid Roth welcomes Bob and Janie DuVall

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. When a Christian looks at Passover, the Christian says, “I don’t see anything Christian in Passover.” And when the Jewish person looks at Resurrection Sunday they say, “I don’t see anything Jewish about Resurrection Sunday.” Could there be a diabolical reason to keep these two people groups separate, especially in light of the Book of Ephesians, which tells us the reason Jesus came was to break down this middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile to form one new man? Is there a reason to separate these two groups, because the result will be, Paul goes on to say about this one new man, the reason Jesus came was to break down the wall of separation between Jew and Gentile to form one new man, one new humanity, one new special being, because this will form the dwelling place, or the complete dwelling place for God. I say there is a diabolical reason. That’s why I’ve asked my guests, Bob and Janie DuVall to be with me. They’re on staff, The Messianic Vision and It’s Supernatural. And Bob comes from a gentile. Janie comes from a Jewish background, a perfect example of the one new man. I say that Resurrection Sunday is the most Jewish feast in the world. I say that Passover is the most Christian feast in the world. Let me give you a couple of examples. For instance, four days before Passover they take a lamb, an unblemished lamb, a lamb without broken bones. And isn’t it interesting? Not one of the Messiah’s bones were broken, because if the bones were broken this would not be an acceptable lamb. So four days before they inspect this lamb to make sure that it’s perfect without blemish. Four days before Passover the Sanhedrin inspected Jesus to see if he had any blemishes on him. At Passover the lamb is killed. At Passover Jesus died. At Feast of Unleavened Bread Jesus was buried. At First Fruits, Jesus rose from the dead. The thing is so Jewish. Janie, tell me a bit about feast.

JANIE: You know, people will say, “Okay, that’s really nice. The Feast, Jesus fulfilled itself. Okay, that’s for back then.” But there’s very supernatural about the Feast. In Leviticus it says God calls it “My Feasts.” He calls the feasts holy congregation rehearsals. The first church, I’m sorry, the Jewish believers, they knew that they were expecting Messiah to come. A lot of them were in the first church. They were rehearsing the spring feasts. Jesus was the fulfillment of the spring feasts. We have to be rehearsing the feasts for the Second Coming. And so that’s why they didn’t miss it back then. But there’s something very supernatural. This week is Passover, and it’s very supernatural to celebrate the feasts. I mean, again, God calls it “My Feasts”. It’s not the Jewish feasts. There are very supernatural things on those days that happen. When we rehearse those feasts, Pesach, Passover, when they ate, when the Israelis ate the whole lamb they were totally physically healed. So when we’re rehearsing Passover and we’re having that appointment with God, we’re rehearsing the healing. And the other feasts, then you have when he’s resurrected three days later, Jesus is resurrected. That’s the First Fruits. But 50 days later which were leading up to that time, that’s the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Shavuot. That feast, Pentecost, people were having dreams, visions, miracles.

SID: Well you know what’s so amazing to me is God says, “These are My feasts.” In the Hebrew, the word “feast” means appointments. I mean, there’s a Hebrew word. It’s called meshuga, crazy. You’d have to be meshuga. You’d have to be crazy to miss an appointment with God. He promises to attend. Bob, tell us about the Last Supper or what Christians called Communion and we Jews call a Passover Seder.

BOB: Absolutely. Well to put the Last Supper in context, it happened, like you said, during a Passover Seder, the Last Supper. And let’s look back at the first Passover. What happened? Well they were, the Jewish people, Israel was instructed to kill the lamb, to put the blood on the door post and to eat the whole lamb. And what was the result? Well their first born was protected and they were brought out of slavery. They were set free from bondage. And it also tells us in Psalm 105, “God brought them out with silver and gold. There was great provision for them.” And also, it says, “There was none feeble among them.” So I think that one of the things that many of us miss when we take Communion, because we don’t understand the full context of the Passover and what Yeshua did for us is everything that he provided for us in that he provided healing. “By his stripes,” by Jesus’ stripes we were healed and we know about forgiveness of sin. But then also, this financial provision there were all sorts of things that Yeshua, Jesus provided when he sacrificed himself as the Passover lamb. Everything was pointing toward Jesus. Everything was a shadow, and when he came he said this to his disciples at that Passover, that Last Supper, “This is my body. This is my blood of the New Covenant” and announced that he was what everything was pointing toward.

SID: You know, Bob and Janie, what I believe is we take Communion, which is very Jewish. I even know the prayers that Jesus prayed at that Last Supper, that Passover Seder, because we Jewish people do it every year. The Messiah took the grape juice and he took, and by the way, according to the Talmud, it doesn’t say “grape juice”. It says “wine” and it not only says “wine” it says “red wine” because the red wine represents the blood of the Messiah, and the matzah represents his broken body. As we participate in this right now watch what God is going to do in your physical body. Watch how God is going to touch you. [chanting-Hebrew] Thank you, Lord, for the bread that you’ve given us, your body that was broken for us. And when his body was broken for us, his blood shed, and this wine represents the blood of the Messiah. In the Book of Leviticus 17:11 says, “I’ve given the blood upon the altar as atonement for your sin. It is the blood that makes atonement for your sin.” [chanting-Hebrew] There are six blessings in participating in what the Messiah did for us. I want to pray a blessing over you that Moses was given from God Himself for Aaron to pray over the Jewish people so that His name would be on the Jewish people. “The Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord calls His countenance to shine upon you and be gracious to you. The Lord grant you His shalom.” That’s his completeness in your spirit, in your soul, and in your body, in the name of the Sar Shalom, the Prince of Peace, Yeshua, [Hebrew], Jesus the Messiah, our righteousness. Jesus is coming back soon. Don’t go away. You come back after this word and you’ll find out why.

Our Guest Rick Joyner

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Rick Joyner. Did you know that God has every hair on your head numbered? That not two sparrows fall to the ground without Him being aware of it? And of how much more value are you? You have value, and you have worth. Of how much more value are you than the sparrow? My guest, Rick Joyner, is just a man. I’m just a man. But we know God. We have intimacy with God. And there’s a prophet by the name of Bob Jones that wandered into your life, and he described property that you were going to own. Explain that.

RICK: Well, he had a dream. And when I moved to North Carolina, I came with the word I was to go to the mountains of North Carolina. And I met Bob Jones through a friend of ours, Mike Bickle, and he immediately started telling me details about my life and things that had happened in my history that I didn’t even know. I had to check them out later, but they found out to be true.

SID: That’s amazing.

RICK: Things about my ancestors and stuff. But anyway, later he called me back and said he’d had a dream about me moving to the mountains of North Carolina, and he described the place in detail; exactly how far it was from where I was living at the time,
which he got within 2/10 of a mile. We told him he’s got to do better than that.

SID: Well, hey, according to the Bible you have to be 100%, but I’ll take within 2/10 of a mile, out of the whole world.

RICK: Yeah, that’s right. But he described it in detail. Tom Hess, who is a friend of yours, was involved in this, and was given some land nearby and he called and told me he was supposed to give it to us.

SID: And it’s a small world. I was on his board and I was involved in that decision. But go ahead.

RICK: So Tom calls me from Jerusalem and tells me about this land, and he described it,
and the deed had some of the details that Bob had told me in his dream. It was measured like they do in the mountains sometimes, “from white rocks to an old oak tree”, and Bob, in his dream, had seen the land was measured from white rocks to an oak tree, and details like that. He said there were buildings in the middle with red roofs and a mountain with a rock face on it and antennas on it, and all this. Of course that could’ve been a lot of places in North Carolina, but when we found it had every detail that Bob told us about in his dream, including where the streams were on the land, and things like that…

SID: But Rick, that is natural. I mean there was a king of Syria that was upset with Israel because as this king said “They know what I’m discussing in my bedroom.” It was a prophet, and today, according to the New Covenant, we’re all supposed to be able to prophecy. Now I am so excited about this new property that you have. Was that prophesied also?

RICK: It was. And you know, we prophesy in part, and we know in part. And Bob had all these details about he property we were going to, the rectangular building. He saw a lot of other little details that worked out later. But he saw some damage to it, water leaks and damage. We went looking all over Charlotte for old buildings, and almost bought some that we thought fit the description.

SID: Been there, done that. I understand.

RICK: And then we finally happen upon the property that was exactly as Bob had described, and now we’re in it.

SID: And this is the old PTL Headquarters that Jim Bakker had a vision to develop. And Rick, I don’t have to be a prophet to know that that mantle has fallen upon you, and that’s going to be even greater than Jim thought it was going to be. You’ve got that beautiful Grand Hotel, and it is now grand. I mean how did you end up getting that property, which Bob Jones saw in a vision, which you couldn’t even find when you went in your peanut brain trying to find it?

RICK: Well it’s interesting. Jim Bakker, when he got out of prison, he kind of spiritually bequeathed that property to us in a conference, publicly. And we were saying “We don’t want it. We don’t want to run a hotel. We’re in missions.”

SID: Besides that, he didn’t own it. He couldn’t give it to you.

RICK: Yeah, but he spiritually said “We think you’re supposed to have it.” So anyway, there were some reasons, some things I had to be a part of, some business things and all, where if I’d known that property was coming to me I could not have been a part of those. It would’ve been a conflict. We had no idea. So I think, in a way, the Lord hid it from us, where it was, and then at the right time, it came into our hands for, well, we bought $60 million, well Jim paid $60 million to build it in the 1980’s.

SID: Right, so that would be worth even more now with the value of real estate.

RICK: I’d think so. We bought it for $1.6 million.

SID: How come so cheap?

RICK: Well, they didn’t think the buildings could be restored.

SID: Did you have a good Jewish attorney by the name of Ruach Ha Kodesh, the Holy Spirit?

RICK: I’ve had Jews tell me I’ve made the Jew jealous.

SID: Well that’s what you’re supposed to do. You’re just being normal. Speaking of normal, very quickly, tell me about the glory cloud that came in at a meeting you were at where you were speaking, and everyone saw it.

RICK: Well this was back when we were first starting, had our first Worship and Warfare Conference, called The Heart Of David. And we had spent about eight hours worshipping the Lord that day. You know, taking some breaks in between. It was at an intensity that we used to hope we could get to and maintain for 15 minutes. It was the most intense worship we’d ever experienced, and it had gone on and on. The last session had gone into hours, and it kept building. It was the greatest worship I’ve still ever been a part of. And at the end, Leonard Jones was playing the last song, and all of a sudden, it felt like a nuclear fire in the building. I felt burning inside. You know how nuclear’s supposed to burn from the inside? I felt like my insides were on fire, and I watched two girls who were on the stage start grabbing like they were on fire. And then… Now I’m feeling heat, fire, and I watched one of these girls run and dive through the drum set,
scared, terrified. And I turn around and looked and there’s this cloud, pillar of cloud right in the middle of the stage. And my first thought is “We’ve got a fire.” Because heat, fire, all this, you know. And the whole audience that had been worshipping at the top of their voice went instantly silent, started wailing, crying. I’m looking at everything going on and I think we’ve got a fire, and then I just said “The presence of the Lord is so intense, let the place burn.” That was my thinking.

SID: Did everyone see that cloud?

RICK: Yeah, everyone that was in there saw it, except for a few.

SID: Did you hear that? Everyone outside of a few saw this glory cloud. We’re coming into the days like you read about in the scriptures, where the glory is going to show up and everyone’s going to be healed. I feel such a presence of God in my face right here that I happen to believe that God’s presence is invading wherever you are right now. And in His presence, all things are possible. What do you need right now? The first thing you need is to get right with God, repent of your sins, and believe Jesus is your Messiah and Lord. Get ready. Get ready!

Sid Roth welcomes John McTernan

SID: Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, John McTernan, has found the most amazing statistics. Since 1991, how many times have you seen that, when the United States goes against Israel, there have been, what the world calls, natural catastrophes?

JOHN: Sid, at a minimum, 50, but probably closer to 70.

SID: Now, many people feel that when there are things like earthquakes and hurricanes and the stock market goes down, and that’s the type of things we’re talking about, many people think that that’s the natural decay of planet Earth in every arena. How would you respond to that?

JOHN: Well Sid, obviously there is truth to that, the natural decay. But it’s the timing of it, Sid, and the magnitude of the hurricanes, for example. Like hurricane Andrew, hurricane Katrina, and other hurricanes, falling precisely on these events. Precisely, Sid.

SID: Why is it though? What I’m pondering, and what I’d like John to explain is, why are there these warning judgments from God within 24 hours of the event, when the United States tries to divide up the land of Israel. Why is that, John?

JOHN: Well Sid, in the Bible, God has made promises. Starting with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendents, which would be the Jewish people today, about the land. And there are blessings and curses about how people react to Jewish people on the land. So, part of the cursing is, if you try and divide the land, which unfortunately the United States is really the leading nation in the world pressuring Israel to do this, since 1991.

SID: Give me some examples of what the United States did, and what happened. Just a couple.

JOHN: Well Sid, we’ll start at the very beginning, the Madrid Peace process, which is really a codeword for the dividing of Israel. The date was October 30, 1991. We’ll say President Bush Sr., and not the current President, but his father, President Bush Sr. He initiated this after the Gulf War, thinking that, with the power of the United States, you could have this comprehensive peace in the Middle East, and part of it would be dividing the land, including Jerusalem. And when the President was delivering this speech in Madrid, Spain, initiating the Madrid Peace process, on that very day, Sid – in fact, I’d almost go so far as to say the very hour – the perfect storm hit. And if you can think back to 1991, the perfect storm…

SID: There was a movie.

JOHN: A movie, a best-selling book. The perfect storm had generated… it was the most powerful storm ever recorded in history, in the north Atlantic. It generated 30 foot waves that came against the President’s home in Kennebunkport, Maine. He has a home on the coast.

SID: It really caused destruction?

JOHN: Yeah, 30 foot waves. Eyewitnesses said, Sid, that the waves just engulfed the home; they came over it. So as the President of the United States was in this process of touching the land of Israel, his own home was being devastated.

SID: Give me another example.

JOHN: Well, the next year the Madrid Peace process was transferred from Madrid, Spain, to Washington D.C. The very first day that they met was August 23, 1992, on American soil. They previously had been in Madrid. And you can see the headlines in the newspapers, I have all the headlines, where hurricane Andrew… At that time, it was the greatest natural disaster ever to hit the United States. Since then, hurricane Katrina has surpassed it. But hurricane Andrew hit 4 hours before they met on American soil. So you’ll see the newspapers with the headline “Hurricane Andrew”, and all the damage,
and right there with it is the Madrid Peace Process. So you can’t miss it, Sid.

SID: Which is, again, the Madrid Peace Process is “land for peace.” But you mentioned hurricane Katrina. Is there any correlation with that?

JOHN: I’m going to stretch your mind a little, but to go back to hurricane Katrina and the Jewish people being evacuated from Gaza.

SID: The settlements?

JOHN: The settlements. And of course Gaza is part of the Covenant land. It’s that land that was given to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendents. In fact, Sid, the prophet Obadiah, which your viewers may have a hard time finding, because it’s the smallest book in the Bible… When I preach on Obadiah, I give people extra time to find it. But right there in Obadiah, it talks about “the Day of the Lord”, which of course is the second coming of the Lord Jesus…

SID: Which we’re obviously approaching.

JOHN: Without a doubt. And it says specifically that the plain of the Philistines are going to belong to… the Jewish people are going to be in control of the plain of the Philistines, which in modern terminology is Gaza. So the prophetic word says that this land is going to be inhabited, controlled, by the Jewish people. Yet, through pressure of the United States, with George Bush Jr., and with Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of State, we’ve pressured the Jewish government, the Israeli government, to unilaterally abandon the land. And plus, the President also promised American money to help with the resettlement of the Jewish people that are being taken off the land. So that was taking place exactly at the time that hurricane Katrina hits the United States. So we’re forcing Jewish people off the land in Israel, and Americans are being forced off the land in the United States.

SID: Now listen, I would not call this a warning judgment, I would call this a judgment.

JOHN: Yes Sid, yes. In my book, when I first started, in the mid-1990’s, I called it warning judgments, or judgments unto repentance.

SID: But we’ve passed that line right now.

JOHN: Yes we have, Sid.

SID: This is what John has uncovered now. It’s the best-kept secret in American history. There is a key to American prosperity that is not mentioned in any of the history books. We’ll reveal that, and you are going to be absolutely amazed when you hear the best kept secret. It won’t be secret anymore. Be right back after this word.

We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.