SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Kerry Kirkwood. And Kerry, you received a revelation. It was a revelation to you, but it was an ancient revelation. It’s in the Jewish Scriptures. It’s the power of the blessing. Give me an example, like the pastor that would go by the topless bar and curse it every day; and he’d go by it everyday, every month, every year, and nothing would change. Nothing! Tell me about him.
KERRY: Well he thought he was really doing what God wanted him to do, to curse. And so he’d go by and he would just say, “I command that place to burn down” or “I command those people to feel the fear of God upon them.” So nothing happened. In fact, he actually saw the parking lot get more full. And so we began to talk about this. And I said, “You know, the will of God is speaking what is on the heart of God; and you’re just cursing the very thing that God wants to change in their lives.” And so he said, “What do you mean?” And I said, “Well just consider: the Bible says that it’s not God’s will that any should perish; but all shall come to the knowledge of the Son of God. So why not get on the same page as what God is for those people.” So when he started going by, he said, “I bless them to come into the knowledge of the Son of God. I bless them to have a revelation of the Lord himself.”
SID: That’s really a different thing coming out of his mouth. It’s a different spirit.- Its Supernatural
KERRY: Exactly. He felt empowered by the cursing. But now he began to see that it really was; he was in agreement with Heaven itself. And so when he started doing that, after about a week of this, he came by one day and there was a For Sale sign in the parking lot; and the place was for sale, and they moved out. And it wasn’t for a lack of business. But he saw things began to change because he came into agreement with the Word of God.
SID: Explain to me briefly, what the power of the blessing is, as you understand it.
KERRY: Well we all understand and we use the word “generally”. But blessing is not just about material things. But it’s actually a prophetic declaration. In the Old Testament the word, “barach;” in the New Testament: “eulegeo.” Eulegeo is the idea of “speak well of”. We get the word “eulogy from it. People have a eulogy at a funeral.
SID: And they usually speak well of someone even if he hasn’t been such a good guy.
KERRY: That’s exactly it. But when you begin to see things from the perspective of God and you’re beginning to bless them, not for where they are, and here’s really the difference. Blessing is not reporting to God the way things are, but declaring the intentions of God, the way He intended for them really to be; and cursing means to declare for something to be in a lower place, lower position than what God really intended for it to be.
SID: So it’s really Hebraic understanding. How does that comes from the Jewish Scriptures?
KERRY: Well you look in Genesis 49, where Jacob is laying hands on his sons, and he’s prophesying over them their destiny; not just of their past reporting of their experience. But he says, “Joseph, you shall be a fruitful bow.” Well what happens to Joseph? He’s moved into Egypt, and now he is exactly that, a fruitful bow who’s there to save his own race. And, so you see that blessing is a prophetic destiny; that can release people into what God intended for them all the while.
SID: How would you like to feel the pleasure of God? How would you like your mouth; which God says has been called to bless and not curse, and change everything around you? Kerry, you told me even generational curses are broken when you do this. How’s that work out?
KERRY: Yes. Well for years, people have reported the facts around their life. They just talk about how bad things are Sid Roth. They talk about how bad the economy is. Their family is negative in a sense. And so I’ve seen families where they begin to reverse that curse by declaring God’s intention for their family; and blessing their children, and speaking over them. Isaiah 54 is that: “That your children shall be blessed of the Lord.”
SID: So rather than reporting, “You never pay attention! You’re never going to amount to anything! You’re going to end up in prison!” What should they be saying?
KERRY: Well all they have to do is say, what the heart of God in this? As a parent, what would you like to see happen for your children?
SID: How about your children? Tell me what you did with one of your children.
KERRY: We started targeting a particular blessing Sid Roth. I have a son that began a general contracting business. So he began to bless the contracts and the people that he was going to do business with that day. I bless them that they are given by God as an effective tool to bless me, and I bless them. And his first contract out, he made $80,000 and never saw the people, never saw the work. It was done through the Internet.
SID: And it was done by the power of the Jewish blessing. When we come back, you’re going to find the power that can occur in your marriage; the power that can occur in your job; the power that can occur…Believe this or not. Someone took; a pastor, took this teaching to heart and started blessing their body; and new arteries, after a quadruple bypass occurred, started growing. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word. – Its Supernatural.
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SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Chuck Pierce. Chuck, I love the gift of prophecy, the true gift of prophecy. And I have to tell you, I have a problem. My problem is, coming from a Jewish background, reading the prophets in the Old Testament; reading about Samuel; reading that not one word fell to the ground that he stated; and after all, if there’s no time in eternity, and God knows everything, He’s not going to make a mistake. I hear too many cop-outs today on prophecies. Well people didn’t pray enough. I hear these excuses. I just want to see someone prophecy like an Old Testament prophet, and we have even a better covenant.
CHUCK: A newer, a new covenant.
SID: Ok. Now in 2005, God told you something that you had a lot chutzpah to say; that there would be an African-American president. In 2008, you received a word of what this president that will be in office; obviously it’s now, it’s Barak Obama; would do that would dramatically affect our nation three years later, in May of 2011. Tell me about it.
CHUCK: Well see, Sid, what was happening was, he had yet even been nominated. And yet, I knew, because of what God had said, who was going to be nominated. But that wasn’t the issue. Because remember, God was going to heal this issue of the division from racism in our nation. But it was going to actually get a little worse for us, because we were going to have to go deeper, and deal with anti-Semitism. And what God showed me, He caught me up. He gave me an incredible vision. We were at the Liberty Park. I was doing a big meeting there. I was the guest speaker. It was a meeting of1500 people. And the Lord caught me up, and began to show me three years in advance, what would happen; and how He would start looking at America based upon how America would align with Israel. And that this President would then come back, and start pulling Israel; and be a tremendous advocate, to pull Israel out of its current progression and restoration; back to the state of where it was, before it actually began its new boundaries, and new progress.
SID: So in effect, when President Barak Obama made the proclamation…
CHUCK: …in May
SID: …In May, which you knew three years from then. – Its Supernatural.
CHUCK: It was very specific. It would be May 2011.
SID: And the proclamation was Israel should go back its pre-’67 borders. When President Barak Obama made that proclamation, what happened in the invisible world to America?
CHUCK: It pulled us back into the progress we had made spiritually. See, when you make a declaration like that…
SID: Could it affect racism even?
CHUCK: It will cause racism to rise up – back to 1967.
SID: Whoa!
CHUCK: See, it’s going to cause things. But see, God saw it in time, so it will be in this age. It won’t look like it was pre-1967. It will cause our nation to begin to have to process this age with that demonic structure; that we’ve already warred through, in measure. See, covenant, all nations reconcile around Israel. So if you’re attempting to bring; and being the proponent or voice, to bring Israel back into a place where it is not progressing, but back where it loses a lot of what it’s already worked for; you’re going to do the same thing in your own freedom.
SID: Do you see a correlation of the following events? Right after President Barak Obama made that statement, in Joplin, Missouri, we were hit with the deadliest tornado; the deadliest in 70 years. Do you see a correlation?
CHUCK: Well see, actually you had Alabama. Again, we’re back to Alabama. Then you had Missouri. Both had deadly, deadly tornados. Alabama, I just came from there last weekend, here. Alabama went into, it lost almost 400 people, and then Joplin lost a whole city. I mean, almost a whole city wiped aside. Do I see a correlation? Yes, I see it releases a spiritual force that brings; because I believe God controls the wind; and I believe biblically from a prophetic standpoint; we see that winds can be adverse and controlled by the enemy, or winds can be sent by the Lord. I believe the enemy structure came into this land. And now what God is going to ask us to do now; we’re coming into a place where we’re going to have to war for our covenant alignment; and the roots of the covenant of this land, coming back into alignment with the God of Israel.
SID: You have so many revelations. Do you see a correlation, right after President Barak Obama released those words into the atmosphere; that Israel should go back to the pre-’67 borders? Do you see a correlation with what happened to the president of the IMF, International Monetary Fund? – Its Supernatural!
CHUCK: Absolutely. Absolutely.
SID: And by the way, this was the man that was caught attacking a maid in a hotel room, and lost everything as a result of it.
CHUCK: See, I see all of a sudden. And it just wasn’t Barak Obama. You can go back to President Bush, when he made certain statements that created a movement in the atmosphere, during the time of Katrina; the hurricane that hit America, and came up through New Orleans. You’re going to start seeing a correlation. Why? Because there’s certain scripture that talks about how we are in the process, when we won’t listen to the voice of God, He has ways of speaking. He has ways of getting our attention.
SID: Now here’s some good news. There are ways that you can be like the children of Israel, when they were slaves; and the curses came on the Egyptians, and they bypassed the Jewish people. And there’s ways of…you can get out of the mess that’s coming. In fact, Chuck Pierce saw what will happen over the next five years, in the United States of America. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word. – Its Supernatural.
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Sid: Its Supernatural! My guest Don Heist is Red Hot for the Messiah, he blows God’s instrument and there is such an anointing on this. Don briefly tell me about one church plays you CD with the shofar blowing all the time except when they are having a service.
Don: Yeah, I received an email from a pastor that was telling me about how they received the CD back in December of 2010 and from that point on they have been playing the CD in their church sanctuary 24-7 except for when they were having service. They just had a disk player there and it just kept playing it over and over. Well, they did that in an effort to sanctify the sanctuary a little more and to keep demon spirits at a distance and away. Shortly after this the pastor said that there was several people at different times came into her office and made the comment that, “I just went into the sanctuary to sit and pray and I became under the power of God and when I was able to pick myself up again from praying I was healed.” So they were, people were being healed in this church without anyone actually laying hands on them and actually praying for them because they were praying themselves but the sanctuary of the Church was so demon free and the enemy did not want to stay around because of the constant shofar playing.
Sid Roth: You like to say that when people are under the anointing of your shofar it’s a cancer free zone. What do you mean by that?
Don: Well, what it does is when we sound the shofar, the molecular structure in the room and of the bodies of the people in the room actually changes once again because it is the voice of God, it is the power of God. And by that, it changes molecular structure so that people are healed and by prayer not just the sounding of the shofar but by prayer and pulling in God’s presence and allowing to do His own, what He does best by being Our Father and Healer and Deliver but through that prayer as well as sounding the shofar people are healed.
Sid: Tell me about the woman that was stooped over her whole life.
Don: I was in a Bible study at this ladies house and at the end of the teaching I did a teaching on the shofar and history and what not and at the end of the teaching time we had a time of prayer. And I could remember very clearly that she was wearing a fairly tight knit sweater and in the back you could see and in fact I ran my hand down her back and I actually could feel it, touch it, that several inches, around about her hip area a little higher about the small of her back it protruded out much like a letter s if you were looking at it from the side. And we prayed for her and prayed some more and I sounded the shofar, started at that lower end of her back and as I raised the horn I could see this lump in her sweater going behind my view out of my view because it was being blocked by the shofar and as I kept raising the shofar and as her back came back into view, below where I was playing her back was straight; there was no lump. And I just talked with her recently and she is still healed and claiming that healing and passing the word about the Messiah that has healed her.
Sid: And some amazing healings are happening Mishpochah, there was a person who came into his meeting with a built up shoe about three inches and when he left because of that anointing that changes the molecular structure he could even wear his built up shoe because his legs were perfect. And tell me one healing of cancer briefly.
Don: We have received an email and a call from a person that’s retired from the navy and he explained to me that he had just been diagnosed with stage four prostate cancer and he was wondering if Sue and I would come over to his home and pray for him and then blow the shofar. So we arranged a time and we did this and we were with him for a little over an hour and when we blew the shofar and prayed for him. He said that he felt warmth of God coming over him and he was just very excited about that. Well right after that he went to cancer centers of America in Philadelphia and when he went in to get his forty plus treatments of chemotherapy that they had prescribed for him he asked them to retest his body because he said, I’ve had people praying for me. I’ve had people blowing the shofar over me and into my body and I just believe that God has changed things. So they retested him and when they found out the results of all these tests his cancer was gone all but just a very tiny little speck which by now how been gone because as he said, God took it all away and what didn’t disappear the chemotherapy of one or two treatments took out of his body.
Sid: Tell me about the people that see angels, tell me one person that saw angels when you blow the shofar. – Its Supernatural.
Don: Well, it was a evening of worship and I was feeling really week and down that particular night and I really struggled with even going to play. That particular evening and we started playing and many of you know, many of you have heard the song “Lord God of Abraham” by Paul, recorded by Paul Wilbur and we started out, the worship service with that song and the first time I played I actually was embarrassed because it was not very good, I was struggling spiritually, I was struggling physically to do what God was calling me to do that night. So at a point where I was not playing, I said, I stood on the platform and I just prayed, I looked up and I said “Lord please help me get through this I’m not prepared for this, I’m not in the right frame of mind for this, but you need to be glorified and I want to do this well but I’m not just there are the moment.” So the next time I started playing, unbelievably I was very strong and I played very well to my own liking. And then later at the end of the service this lady comes up to me and she says, “You know at the beginning of that song you were standing there by yourself, but after about the second time you played I saw an angel standing behind you holding a shofar and he was dressed in a turquoise gown with gold sparkles on the sides. And every time you played shofar he played.” And she said, “This was just amazing that her friends didn’t see the angel but they heard the angel was playing.” So that’s what happened at that particular evening and really she just confirmed what happened with me that suddenly I felt this incredible power and strength behind my playing which I can take no claim for at all, but it was was just I prayed and I asked the Lord to help me. He sent an angel and that angel played with me or for me and supported me through it all. I believe people are going to hear angels playing the shofar with you as we take a selection from your CD “Take Me In.” Let’s here “Take Me Into the Holy of Holies.”
Don Heist’s selection from “Take Me In” 8.37.5-11.19
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Sid Roth: Family with a Jewish Heart, made up of Jewish and non-Jewish people where the middle wall between Jew and Gentile it’s finally come down to form One New Man, one new species of being that will form a complete dwelling place of God by His Spirit; and devil, watch out. It kind of reminds me of the new book by Chuck Pierce called “Time to Defeat the Devil,” and it us time to defeat the devil. Now Chuck on yesterday’s broadcast we talked about in 2005 and this has been recorded, you had an extremely accurate prophecy that there would be a black man in the White House. And then you had a vision of what would happen in May 20011.
Chuck: Well see Sid, the Lord showed me three years ahead from May 2008 and he showed me this like a transition period as we were making a transition in history as a nation. But this is really what He showed me, that in May of 2011, this President, the new President which was in 2008 we really didn’t have President Obama then, would make a decree that would start dividing our nation. And this decree would be linked around Israel and some people might even say “Well, you know we always hear about Israel, we always hear about the Middle East and we don’t see how anything can divide our nation just because President Obama says we really don’t want Israel to have its present borders to go back to 1967.” No, that’s where we don’t understand God, the God of Israel and how God the God of Israel would look at our nation if we take a stand to try to produce that. And so the Lord specifically said, “That would happen in May 2011. I wrote it, I’ve shared it, I’ve shared it.
Sid: Alright, what repercussion does it have on the United States of America by that statement by President Obama? – Its Supernatural.
Chuck: I think what it does is it starts a dividing process just as God plans Jew and Gentile to be one in days ahead, One New Man. And that wall as you said yesterday to be down, that is God’s plan of fullness, when you come against that plan of fullness, now I’m talking about both spiritually and naturally; when you come against that plan of fullness Sid, what happens is you start becoming unfull yourself. And so what happens is when you start decreeing against the plan that God has for fullness and you quit aliening yourself with His ultimate plan over His land, what will happen then with this is that all of a sudden we start seeing walls come up in this nation. And what God showed me was there would be twenty-one states that would stand with Israel in this nation. There would be two states that would hang in the balance; there would be one state that would produce a turning point and the other states really they would, there would be such havoc in those other states because they chose not to follow the God of Israel into the future.
Sid: Well, I for one would not want to live in a state that will not be pro-Israel because I happen to believe Genesis 12:3 is still in reality today which says, “I God will bless those who bless the Jewish people and I God will curse those that curse them.” So could someone be in a state that’s pro-Israel, but yet the nation is, or at least the administration is anti-Semitic and still be blessed?
Chuck: Well see, I think we’re so religious from old religious structures, that sometimes we are not even aware of the decrees that are being made, we’re not aware of what’s going on around us and what will happen then is what happens is, economically you stop being blessed, and you start seeing states start going bankrupt. And do you remember in David’s time Sid, when it took him three years before he asked, “Why are we in draught?”
Sid: Right.
Chuck: I think that’s this three years ahead.
Sid : So, do you see three years of draught for the United for the United States of America, is that what you’re saying?
Chuck: Well, this is what I’m saying because look what’s happened in May already with Joplin, MO and with Alabama and other places like this with the atmospheric tornadic condition of this nation. This is what I am saying; I think you’re going to start seeing such a division in this nation. Certain states will come under certain structures and it will take them three years before they really say, “What happened to us?” And I don’t think every state; I don’t think every state will.
Sid: Okay, again, and you don’t have to be a prophet to find out what’s going to happen, all you have to do is see the position of the administration of your state to know what’s going to happen. For instance, I am so optimistic about Canada right now because of such a healthy stance they’re taking on Israel. I mean at the G8 they came out so strong against a Palestinian State that I believe that God is going to bless that country, have you seen anything for Canada?
Chuck: Oh, my I went with Kenny Blacksmith, he’s a native leader and matter of fact I tell you Sid Roth what, Canada has done two things. Canada went back and reconciled over their native issues, over the issues of the first peoples of their land. Governmentally they made a decree to ask forgiveness and reconcile with the First peoples of their land. That was one step and I was with Kenny Blacksmith and I began to tell him the nation. Because see God, took me beyond the states Sid and showed me One Hundred and Fifty-three nations that would begin to rise up and move toward Israel throughout the world. Canada was the leading nation and so I told Kenny that, we were in a meeting so we had that recorded. We were in New York, the very upper part of New York right next to Canada, on one of the native reservations and then I went to Red Deer and I shared this very specifically, “Canada will stand with Israel, therefore you will have a healing outbreak and the sick will come from all over to be healed in Canada.
Sid: I can just picture that right now. You know Chuck; you don’t have to be a mental giant to figure out what God’s going to do in the last days. Tomorrow I want to talk about how you had a revelation about Israel as an eighteen year old, but before we do that, why in your heart of hearts did you write the book, the brand new book that we’re making available this week called, “Time to Defeat the Devil?” - Its Supernatural.
Chuck: I felt like Sid people needed to understand the concept of timing and the times that we are living in and in it I really thought Charisma was going to call this book, “A Time to See.” But when they started reading the book and getting ready to publish the book I write in this book about how our spirit can be vexed in the times that we’re living in; I’ve got two or three chapters on it. Therefore they named the book, and I thought it was very bold, because you know how compromising we are in the Body of Christ. They named the book “A Time to Defeat the Devil” because in a world that we live in and the chaos of the world we live in, your spirit can become vexed just like Lot’s spirit. Lot, who was righteous, his spirit became vexed. And this book is about how to protect your spirit man from being defiled by all the changes of the atmosphere that’s going on around you and make the most of the time we live in to defeat your enemy.
Sid: Some of the things that you teach on are keys to live in victory, even in tough times, which obviously we are about ready to enter into. If you think it’s tough now, you don’t know what’s coming. How to live in the cycles of blessings, how to stay in Devine health, how to break the power of trauma of your life and that’s what Chuck you were alluding to, how to break off bareness; how to break off a spirit of poverty, how to enter into the new season that has begun in your life; how to hear the Spirit of God. Can you see the difference it would make in your life when you have this revelation? And Chuck, I’m kind of in awe of the gift that God has given you; and especially the tie in with Israel and the Jewish people. There are so many Christians today that don’t understand this distinction; they don’t have a clue about it. For instance there are many people involved in walking in miracles and the healing movement that have not come into this revelation. How come God’s blessing them so much if they haven’t come into this revelation?
Chuck: Well, God is God first of all and you know that and I know that and He loves His people and He will use those who respond to Him; and many of those people they just love Him, they devote their life to Him, they enter into childlike faith and they start operating in childlike faith and they start demonstrating that faith in miracles Sid Roth. And I think they move forward for a season but notice something about wineskins, because Jesus talks about wineskin; what’s going to happen is eventually that wineskin that their moving in makes a shift. It becomes more formed and you have to embrace other revelation to keep moving, I don’t think you can keep moving without understanding the covenant God has with Israel.
Sid: So you believe they will either make the shift or fossilize, is that what I’m hearing you say?
Chuck: That’s what, that it in a nutshell.
Sid: Okay, Chuck we’re running out of time right now; the thing that I love about your book; it shows how to restore everything that was lost.
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Sid: Its Supernatural. You are going to be so excited when this revelation gets down deep because in 1977 Larry Hutton had a visitation of the Lord, the peace and the presence of God was so strong he could barely move. And he was personally taught by God how to live in peace all the time. I mean step by step and since 1977 he can honestly say not through…and by the way Larry, we’re not talking about through a self will positive thinking approach because that isn’t going to cut it when the things people walk into they experience. I mean positive thinking works only until your first crisis.
Larry: Exactly, yes.
Sid: But step by step you were taught these things, but what happens, now I heard your teaching and I have to tell you, I can’t get enough of it, there is such peace, such peach of God that is in my spirit when I listen to you teach on this. And to believe that I could walk strife free, I could walk, worry free, I could walk hurt free, I could walk depression free 24-7. I mean it’s like you said when you were first told you could do this by the Lord. It’s almost too hard to believe. But I can’t think of a greater gift for a believer with the times that we’re living in right now. Now you were teaching on Isaiah 53 that gives a lot of keys to the understanding of how you can walk in supernatural peace 24-7 forever. Ha-ha, tell me little bit about what God showed you.
Larry: Well, in Isaiah 53 verses 4 and 5 it talks about our redemption when Jesus went to the cross, it says that He bore our grief’s and carried our sorrows and the next verses says the chastisement of our peace was upon Him. So the Lord taught me that when He went to the cross, that He bore griefs, sorrows, stress, depression, strife, hurt feelings, bad temper, all of these negative emotions that controlled us. And He bore them so that I didn’t have to and not only did He bare them but them He bore the cause that there’s nothing that can cause me to be depressed Sid Roth. Nothing can cause me that I have to make a choice, He showed me in that next verse when He said “The chastisement of my peace was upon Him.” That word chastisement is the rebuke or the restraint of my peace, so there’s absolutely nothing that I can rebuke or take away my peace of stop it from operating if I learned to use it. And I found out that Jesus gave me His peace when I received Him. And that was such a life changing thing, in fact Sid, can I share something real quick about something He taught me?
Sid: Please.
Larry: It’s like He told me that His peace was a fruit, it’s called the fruit, one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit that He brings in when He moves into a new believer and that peace, He said, “That peace is called a fruit and He said, “It’s not seasonal fruit.” And that just exploded in me, it’s like woe, because I was raised in Florida working in the orange groves picking fruit, and I knew that you could only do that during certain seasons. But when He told me His peace was not seasonal, that’s when I got that revelation; what you’ve been saying over and over 24-7 365. I realized I could live in this peace 24 hours a day 365 days a year and that was just, just awesome.
Sid: Okay, you can live in that peace; I understand that, I understand this teaching but what happens when you get symptoms of cancer? What happens if all of a sudden you wake up one day and you find a tumor growing in your body? That happened to you, tell me about it. – Its Supernatural.
Larry: Yeah, I actually had a tumor grow inside my back and then start coming out my back.
Sid: Oh, it sounds awful!
Larry: It was it was very excruciating pain that came up and yet because the Lord had told me; He said that when you get attacked in these areas and all those thought come of fear, and panic and depression and worry and all those things. He said, “Take My peace and speak it, speak my peace and just kind of like Jesus did when He was going across the ocean that time in the boat and the storm arose and you know he was sleeping on the back part of the ship with his head on a pillow and His disciples woke Him up and He said, “Peace.” He spoke peace and I remembered just speaking peace, I just dwelt on Jesus you gave me Your peace. Sid Roth reads Ephesians Chapter Two says “Jesus is my peace.” Well, He never leaves me nor forsakes me so therefore I have Him, I have His peace. And I remember when I just spoke that peace and believed that that once again that peace just overwhelmed me and it was like a guard over my mind, which was so cool because then it like I wasn’t trying to not worry, I was in His rest and it was like He was just taking it from me. It was so cool Sid, because then it was like I wasn’t trying to not it’s almost hard to explain you know. But it was so fun to be able to stay in that peace even when that tumor had gotten painful and bigger. And then of course when we believed for healing and that tumor ended up bursting and then my wife and I have these thoughts of gangrene and stuff because it looked terrible after it burst. But I just knew that it was dead at the roots, that I was the healed and I had the peace of God and I wasn’t going to worry or get in fear about it all and that’s exactly what happened I can honestly say before God I did not get afraid, I stayed in peace the whole time.
Sid: Now this supernatural peace it works two ways, 1. It keeps you in tremendous… it keeps your body working in the way that God wanted it to work and not working the way the devil want to work. But I happen to believe that it works in another way, I think that you when you walk into a room and you’ve been walking 24-7 in supernatural peace, I happen to believe the atmosphere must change in that room. You know, you tell me.
Larry: I mean how many times when you bring that peace into a situation people, they can’t even put words to it until maybe later on they said “Man when you came in and when somebody else may have had that same revelation walked into the room it was like wow, you know it was just okay, everything is going to be all right. You know it just brings that rest, that peace into situations and along that same line Sid when people learn to live this way it brings it into their marriage, it brings it into other relationships. So it makes me and you and those of us who learn to walk in peace, it makes us more enjoyable to be around you know.
Sid: Well, let me give you a real life illustration and assuming this was you how would you handle it. I have a friend that’s an evangelist and one day his wife walked up after twenty years and marriage and three children and says, I’m sick of this life, I don’t love you I’m leaving she not only left him, she not only left the children, but she left the Lord. And she went into a life of sin, and he did everything he knew, he believe she would come back, he prayed in the Spirit for hours at a time; he did everything, he confessed God’s word and every time he’d reach out to her she would not physically, but literally slap him in the face and says get on with your life. Well he didn’t want to grant her a divorce because he’s believing for the restoration. Its Supernatural. How can he walk in supernatural peace? If that were you how could you walk in supernatural peace?
Larry: Yeah, that’s when it seems like you know you can’t lean unto your own understanding because I’ve had friends that exact same situation Sid happened to them as well. And that’s when you know it comes down to trust in the Lord with all of your heart and not lean to your own understanding; you have to really have confidence in God that he’s going to take care of me. Because one of the things that he spoke to me about walking in supernatural peace is He said, “Nobody can make you feel anyway, it’s a choice that you make.” And so no matter what, even if my wife does that and walks away, I mean as hard as it may sound, I still have Jesus on the inside, I still have His peace on the inside; and I can actually use that to overcome the feelings of depression and discouragement that try and overwhelm.
Sid: Now, what about let’s take a particular case where that occurred in you know, people have free will, and the wife never comes back and they get that divorce, there’s a lot of hurt. There is a natural process called the grieving process. How does that fit in with this supernatural peace?
Larry: Well, I watched one of my friends go through that and he realized you know, when God said “He bore my grief, that means okay, so I’m going to have this natural thoughts, like what’s this, it like God grieves when something doesn’t go good. I’m going to grieve that this didn’t go the way that God wanted it, but God has a bigger plan and a bigger purpose. And I remember watching my friend that had the exact same situation happen to him, the wife left, she went out and lived a world of sin and all of a sudden because he decided you know what God, You are my source and You’re my life and my peace, and that peace guarded him and put him in a position where God brought another lady into his life that was so wonderful and they ended up being married and they’re in the ministry today doing more than they ever did for God and so ecstatic and so happy and such peace in their marriage. He just never thought it could be this good. So you know there’s light at the end of the tunnel for people that face those things and that’s why we have this peace that can change the situation.
Sid Roth: Well, I just got back from a trip in New York and talk about a testing ground, Manhattan. I mean I was listening to your material, but I hadn’t mastered it yet, so I repent publically. I am convinced that I can live that way, and you are living that way and so many others are. I’m convinced that you can live that way and that is that you have no more down days, you’ve not involved in strife, in hurt, in depression, in anger, and now that doesn’t mean you won’t get angry, but that means that you’re not going to lash out at people and stay that way all the time. I mean, what a way to live, can you imagine how much more you’ll accomplish for the Lord.
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Sid: Sid Roth here. My guest Ruth Fazal is red hot for the Messiah, she’s a violinist and I love the sound of the violin. Ruth, what is it about the violin that just penetrates inside of an individual, can you answer that? I don’t know it you can, but this is what I sense.
Ruth: I think part of it is that its strings, that it’s a string instrument and so it’s so it’s very close to the human voice in that way, maybe more than some instruments are. I mean so from that point of view you can really, you can really express things in a very, in a very deep way. But a beyond that it must be a God thing I think.
Sid: Well, there is something about music that penetrates in amazing way. Like for instance for those that tuned in for the first time, I explained that you went to the Toronto Airport Church and you started out with really I guess when they started. Because it was Randy Clark’s meetings and that must have been a phenomenal time. That was when the outpouring really erupted there. - Its Supernatural.
Ruth: Yeah, that’s right, I remember going home after about three weeks of kind of going back and forth to these meetings, I remember driving home one day and I was thinking, “How long can this actually just stay you know here in Toronto like a secret, you know in the corner in this little nothing place?” And of course, you know within a few weeks after that everything had broken loose and it was all over the papers and all over the place but. Yeah, there was an amazing sense that something very very different and beyond anything I’d ever seen before was going on. It was so fresh.
Sid: Yes.
Ruth: It wasn’t religious, it wasn’t…it was laid back and the power of God was so strong because nobody was trying to make it happen. That’s what I loved so much.
Sid: And several years later Jesus came to you and He said, “It’s time for you to have a new bow for your violin.” And He would grant a gift as you played of healing, of righteousness and of forgiveness.” And people were being healed emotionally and physically. There is a CD were making available, the title is “Joy in the Night.” Tell me about that CD.
Ruth: Well, “Joy in the Night” is kind of it’s the songs that the Lord gave me during the time that I was actually writing this other piece called “Oratorical Terezin” which is poetry of children from the Holocaust, woven together with the scriptures. And that was kind of a three year journey of writing this piece and going so deep into God’s heart, and so consequently, you know while I’m creating this big old orchestral piece of Orchestra and Choirs and all the rest of it, there is you know songs that are just coming out of me that really express the intimacy that’s found with God in the most difficult places in our lives and the most difficult times Sid Roth. And I began to realize that the darkest times in our lives are actually God’s greatest invitation into intimacy with Him. But so often we miss it because we’re so busy trying to get ourselves out of the dark place and out of the difficult place and we don’t realize that He’s actually inviting us into this intimacy with Him that’s beyond anything that we can experience in any other way.
Sid: So we can get the devil coming and going. When things are bad we get closer to God, and when things are good we get closer to God.
Ruth: Exactly, I love that.
Sid: Tell me about the song “Marantha.”
Ruth: Awe! Marantha, Marantha it’s a song of longing, it’s crying out, it’s saying, you know, I’m waiting for the coming of my Lord, I’m waiting for the coming of my King. It’s the sense of being the Bride that’s waiting with her lamp full of oil because she spent the time in intimacy with Him and so she’s ready for Him to come.
Sid: Let’s hear this selection by Ruth Fazal. (Excerpt from Joy in the Night) Ruth, what’s going on inside of you when you’re playing that?
Ruth: A deep connect to the longing, the longing in my heart for Him and I think the longing in His heart for us. You know that He so longs for us; He, longs to be with us to draw close to us.
Sid: Tell me about some of the amazing healings when you play over people or when they listen to your CDs. Like the person with the heart failure and cancer. - Its Supernatural.
Ruth: Yeah, well that was pretty amazing, I have a friend that was in heart failure because of the cancer, there were these protein deposits on her heart. And really she should be the one telling the story, but of course there were many other people praying for her too, so I can’t say it was specially from me playing, but I know that it was part of it. And I was playing over her and I just felt the Lord saying to play just one particular note and it was an F sharp and it was the strangest thing because I’m thinking, well I said to Pamela I said, “I’m just going to play an F sharp you know and so I did, and I just landed on this one note and then I would move off it a bit and then come back to it. I just felt like the Lord saying, “This is about the heart, this about the heart.” And so a couple of weeks later, she was pronounced as no longer being in heart failure and the things that had deposited themselves on her heart had actually dissolved and that they don’t do that.
Sid: Why is it that our bodies respond to music frequencies?
Ruth: I think God’s made us that way, I mean we know don’t we that every living thing has a frequency, I’m not in any way scientific, but I do know that much that anything that is alive does vibrate to a certain frequency. So presumably the same thing in our body, so I’m wondering if there is some kind of connection where if we actually, if we were to find the frequency that is specific to that part of our body, and then infuse that with the presence of the Holy Spirit you’ve just got this incredible combination of power going on. You know I haven’t experimented with it that much, but I’ve certainly, I mean any time any time I play over anyone or any place, because sometimes I play over places, I do get a very distinct sense of what I’m supposed to, of what I’m suppose to play. And so I trust that presumingly God probably gives me the key and probably gives me just the focus of the particular notes He wants. I don’t, I don’t really know how it works. It’s just coming to Him and playing before Him and just trusting that He’s doing the rest because I certainly don’t understand it.
Sid: Now, I have to tell you something, I have been listening to the instrumental, the one where you’re not singing and I’ve been using it for soaking and I read the story about when it was a dark time in your life and as you went to bed, you felt someone stroking your forehead. Tell me about that.
Ruth: Yeah, that was incredible, I was…
Sid: Oh no were out of time but I do promise to really start here on tomorrow’s broadcast of Its Supernatural.
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Sid: The Complete dwelling place for God, that’s what God’s up to right now, that’s why He’s supernaturally revealing Himself to Jews and Muslims worldwide. We are in the last of the last days and that’s why I’m so excited about my guest, Joel Richardson because he has received what Daniel talks about when he says the scroll or the scriptures will not be understood until the time of the end. Its Supernatural. And he has the easiest understood teaching of end times and in fact the 3 DVDs series is called “Islam and End times.” People that hear this ninety-nine percent of the people who have heard his explanation on the end times say, “It’s so Biblical it makes so much sense it’s exactly what Daniel said, we now understand the end times.” Now on yesterday’s broadcast Joel, you said, “For us to watch Turkey,” why?
Joel: Well, we have to understand recent Middle Eastern history, Turkey for over 500 years ruled the Middle East, the Ottoman Empire is really the Empire that the Islamic Empire culminated with. The Islamic Empire having existed from shortly after the death of Muhammad, the founder of Islam for roughly 140,000 years and again it culminated with the rule of Turkey of the Middle East. And the Bible prophecies that in the last days this Empire would be revived, the Bible says that this empire that it would essentially suffer a fatal head wound and that it would come back. This is the beast of Revelation 13; many people believe this is the actual anti-Christ and it very well may be the anti-Christ, but we need to understand that the beast of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 are first and foremost speaking of the empires Sid Roth. So the Bible says that this Empire, this anti-Semitic anti-Christ empire that ruled the Middle East would suffer head wounds and come back. And in 1924 the secular reformer Mustafa Caramel out of Turk he abolished the Islamic Empire, he abolished the office of the Caliph. This is like the Pope of Islam, today throughout the Islamic world there is a cry for the reestablishment of the Caliphet and all of the nations that were once members of this empire are now reuniting and coming together and they’re crying out for the reestablishment of the Neo-Ottoman Empire throughout the Middle East. And amazingly Sid, you know I’ve been talking about this and drawing out the scriptures that show these things. I recently just read a letter that was sent to the leaders of the Turkish government, the president and the Prime Minister that was sent by a Rabbi Menachem Froman. He’s one of the more prominent Hasidic Rabbis in Israel, he’s the leader of the Deco Movement Settlement and he literally is calling for a Neo-Ottoman Empire. Believe it or not this religious rabbi has expressed that he would rather live under a Muslim government then a secular Jewish government.
Sid: And maybe you can explain something to me since we see that Turkey will be such a major end-time player; maybe even where the anti-Christ emerges from. Why is it that the United States of America is so heavily invested in Turkey? I mean we send them fighter jets; we sent them weapons; we have bases there. Do you see any tie in with that in the end-times.
Joel: Well, absolutely. We need to understand that when the Anti-Christ first emerges on the scene he comes as the trusted mediator. He comes as a bridge builder; he is able to mediate a covenant or a peace treaty between Israel and the surrounding nations. So the anti-Christ is trusted by both sides; he has a measure of political capital that he’s able to pull something like this off that Bush and all of these former Presidents have not been able to do. The Anti-Christ comes along, he is the mediator of the covenant, three and half years into the covenant he reveals his true nature. Turkey today is clearly geographically and in every other way a perfect ideal candidate to be the mediator between Israel and Middle East. And even when we look at Menachem Froman letter that I just spoke of, he repeated speaks of Turkey as the only salvation, the only means to achieve peace between the Jews and the Palestinians. And he speaks about them about them being a perfect mediator nation. Turkey has been working through Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey to mediate everything in the Middle East over the past few years. Every time that there’s a conflict between Afghanistan and Pakistan Turkey is there to mediate.
Sid: Well, I’m beginning to see why you say “Keep your eyes on Turkey.” Now, another thing that I find fascinating is you’ve lived in the Middle East, you’ve had a great deal of relationship with the Muslim people; you’ve studied Islam. And you’ve seen such amazing similarities between what Christianity calls the anti-Christ; and what Islam describes as their messiah or Mahadee. - Its Supernatural.
Joel: The Bible teaches that in the last days this charismatic world religious political leader would emerge and he would revive an empire and then he would then lead this empire to invade the land of Israel where he would try to set up an eventually would succeed in setting up his seat of authority on the Temple Mount where he would try to rule the world with his one world religion from the Temple Mount. And the Bible says that he will have seven years to accomplish all of these things before Jesus returns; this is what the Bible teaches. Islam teaches that at the end of the age their messiah figure known as the Mahadee that he would come; that he would revive the Islamic Empire; that he would be the governor of all of Islam the religious, political, military leader of the whole Islamic world; that he would then lead the Islamic world in an invasion of the land of Israel; he would kill Jews. And literally, sacred Islamic tradition teaches, that the Mahadee would set up his seat of authority on the Temple Mount where he would cause the whole world to submit to Islam and Islamic sacred tradition teaches that the Mahadee would rule for a period of seven years. The two stories are identical; Islam has taken the Biblical Anti-Christ, it’s flipped the story on its head and it’s made him into there savior.
Sid: That is absolutely amazing, do I dare ask you, has God revealed to you the timing of the rapture?
Joel: Well, personally I believe that with regard to the rapture, we need to take the attitude that says this, hope for the best, prepare for the worst; I believe this is wisdom for all of life. Certainly, there is a lot of debate within theological communities, pre- trib, post- trib; again my approach, is hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Sid: Sell out to Jesus, and you’ll have a pan trib, it’ll all pan out.
Joel: Well, yeah, yeah you know fix your eyes on Christ and that’s all we can do.
Sid: Final thoughts?
Joel: Again, many Christians thinks it’s wonderful that Islam teaches that Jesus Christ will return and they do; but what we need to realize is that Muslims teach that when Jesus returns he comes back not as the Jesus of the Bible, he comes back as a Muslim prophet and he literally abolishes Christianity. He tells Christians that they’ve had it wrong all along, he never claimed to be the Son of God, their Bible has been corrupted; they’ve been deceived and then he literally slaughters Jews. The Jesus of Islam in the end times is the very antithesis of the Jesus of the Bible, according to Islam Jesus comes back to abolish Christianity and to kill Jews. Christians need to recognize that Muslims have been set up and when we pray for Muslims we need to say, “Lord, you saved me, you opened my eyes, you touched me, now these that are so deeply bound by deception, do for them what you did for us; have mercy on Muslims today; open their eyes and raise up a million mighty evangelists throughout the Islamic world who would be fearless that would go forth. That you would have mercy on them even as you have had mercy on us because you are the God of mercy and we believe in your goodness.”
Sid: I’m interviewing Joel Richardson on … Islam and the end times and I see why this prophet pulled you out of 7000 people; told you things about yourself that only God could know and then said, that in the future God would give you revelation on the end times. You probably didn’t have a clue of what he meant when he talked about that revelation or did you?
Joel: Well, the last thing in the world I would have believed was that I would be teaching on the end-times, it’s never been…I have always been a missions guy, I’ve been an evangelism guy; I’ve been given to reaching out to Muslims, reaching out to the poor. And you know I did have a little bit of a cynical attitude in general towards the end-times because we’ve seen so many false predictions. We’ve seen so many of these things, but as the Lord began opening these things up to me I recognized the church needs to be made aware of these things.
Sid Roth: And they will be open up to you…
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Sid:Its Supernatural. We want everyone everywhere to feel so loved that they have an overflow of this love to go to other people. And this is what’s happened to my guests Jewish Believers Alyosha and Jody Ryabinov; and Alyosha is World Class Concert Pianist but that’s not why I like his music. I like his music because I can experience love. And you know Alyosha you were talking a bit about when your mentor, Jack Frost taught you about experiencing God’s love but one of the major things was when a man, you weren’t use to this, a big man would just hug you and what would he speak to you? What would he say?
Alyosha: He hugged me and then he would say, “Father just give him all the love that he missed growing up,” and then also he began to bless me. And then I realized I never had Father’s blessing and it was tremendous because I felt that my Heavenly Father blessed me and my earthly Father blessed me as well; because I could feel His heart, I could feel his love and I was pinned against the bosom of this man Sid Roth. And by the way, not many people know the details but in the scripture Yeshua said once, to Pharisees, He said, “I know why I where I came from and know where I’m going to but you don’t know where I came from and you don’t know where I’m going to.” And in John Chapter one, verse 18 it says where he came from, and he came from the bosom of the Father. So when that man gave me that hug I was pinned against his bosom. For the first time I experienced a bosom. Interesting in Hebrew on of God’s names is El Shaddai and shad, in Hebrew means breast so El Shaddai is translated as Almighty. But is it possible that it is translated as Almighty because the true might and power comes from the nurture? So I thought that it was the most powerful moment of my life because when it happened my emotions were released and I cried for I don’t know, twenty-five days.
Sid: Why did you cry?
Alyosha: I don’t even know, I can’t explain it, I just, I felt that my emotions were released, I felt God’s love. I felt that the most powerful being of the Universe, the King of the Universe is my Daddy. I mean, “How does it make you feel?”
Sid: Now, you have a very profound statement that I noted before, and it is you say “Love is emotion not just an action.” What do you mean by that?
Alyosha: Well, sometimes we try to separate or section the word love and I’m not saying it’s wrong, but a lot of people teach, “Well God loves us because He had made a covenant with us and He’s faithful to the covenant, He’s faithful to His word.” And all that is true, but it’s not the only reason why God love us. He loves us because He has created us; He has given us birth and He has passion and feeling toward us. He feels something to us, the same way I feel, you know have love and feeling toward my children. I have two children, a son and daughter and when they hurt I hurt, when they do well I rejoice, it’s a feeling. And that feeling causes me to be committed to them; and even when they mess up I will never reject them. And so Our Father is the same, He feels something towards us; He feels this compassionate deep love. And as a matter of fact God has a feeling you know people know the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace and etc. Those are God’s emotions, Our Father is very emotional and I believe He acts out of that emotion.
Sid: I have to believe that when you play the piano now that the love in you is just poured out from your music and that’s what makes such a difference in the way you play today.
Alyosha: Yeah, it’s exactly and this is why we see so many testimonies of people getting healed.
Sid: Jody, tell me a few things that have happened recently.
Jody: Oh, we were just in China last month and it was amazing to see how, even the Chinese people who, you know, people say they are not emotional; it is so far from the truth. But Alyosha went to the piano and he began to play and we just began to sing to the Lord. Every single Chinese person in that room, it was a packed room, of these wonderful precious Chinese people, every one of them began to weep just in the presence of our God.
Sid: Were they changed in anyway?
Jody: Oh, we were transformed, you could see it, you could watch their faces being transformed and even afterwards people would come up. And just in fact last week I think we were in Canada and sharing Alyosha’s music there and one woman came up and she said, “My heart was so hardened I didn’t realize how hardened it had become until I came into the presence of this love from God.” That was incredible.
Sid: So many people are being healed physically and emotionally but tell me a bit about Jody these two CD’s were making available, “Fear Not” and “The Lord is My Healer.” - Its Supernatural.
Jody: Well, “The Lord is My Healer,” was the first one and that was actually created for Jack Frost when he was battling cancer. And we created that to minister God’s healing, God’s love to him and he actually said a profound statement to us that that actually got him through night, after night, after night. And then this last CD that Alyosha produced, “Fear Not” we actually created it because we know the need is so profound to release people from fear. And there is only one way through the Word and experiencing God’s love through you know the music and scripture and getting it into the heart. So we did, we produced this last CD with that intention and while Alyosha was producing it he came down stair and he said to me, “Honey, I am experiencing the compassion of God as I’m playing this music.” And the Lord just allowed him to experience this measure of love. And it is a frequency, it is an experience, it is an emotion, it all that in the form of music.
Sid: And the fact that it is in Hebrew and English and its pure scripture and it’s the love anointing on the music, I don’t think you can get anything more powerful. In China did you see many people either emotionally or physically healed?
Jody: Oh, tons. Ha-ha, everywhere we went there were testimonials people were healed, people were…
Sid: Was there one specific one that you can think of?
Jody: Well, one lady came in totally depressed, there was actually several. One came in depressed, one came in limping you know, couldn’t even walk and she was evidently paralyzed from a stroke and she got up and began dancing the whole roof came off the house when that happened. Ha-ha because everybody knew she was paralyzed and couldn’t move and she began dancing.
Sid: Listen in this day that we are living in now with, I mean people are really fearful about the economy, about health, about terrorism. I can’t think of anything more exciting than your “Fear Not” CD in Hebrew and English. And even though many people, well the translation is there, but even though people don’t understand the Hebrew it is sort of getting into them through the frequencies of God’s Word.
Jody: That’s right.
Sid: Let’s hear an excerpt from “Fear Not.”
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Sid:Its Supernatural. The key to restore Jewish people to God is not apologetics; the key to restore Jewish people to God is a demonstration before their very eyes of the Kingdom of God, I have proven this. So many Jewish people are coming to the Lord right now through a demonstration of the power of God. That’s why I got so excited when I got a hold of this brand new book by Jonathan Welton called “The School of the Seers.” God has literally raised Jonathan up to mentor you in the gift if discernment of spirits to be able to see in the invisible realm and many people are literally seers. They see things in the spirit and that gift is going to be activated in many that read this book. And then the thing Jonathan that I love about your book is it’s not just theory, it’s not just testimony, it is an activation book and you have exercises so that these gifts can be stirred up and can grow in every one that reads your book. The impartation was for I believe the seer anointing. Was that correct?
Jonathan: Yes, to move more in the gifts of discerning of spirits and the office of a seer. And it activated instantly. We’re in a church in Brazil, about 6,000 people and I was up in front of the front row and I began to see two angelic beings in the front of the church. I saw one on the far end of the stage and one on the closer and where I was. The one was about 150 feet away, one was only about 20 feet away and I’m looking at these beings and they were different than anything I have ever seen before up until this point. And they stood about fifteen feet tall and they had fire coming out of them in all directions, about six feet and they radiated this fire. Now at the time I was not, I was not thinking “oh, what a wonderful experience I’m having, I was actually quite scared.” I saw this one being that was about twenty feet from me and my mind, I’m thinking “It’s time to run, and so I tried to actually, but I wasn’t going anywhere I couldn’t move I was locked in place.” And the fear of the Lord had come upon me as I was seeing these two being in the meeting. So I’m standing there in worship I’m seeing this and within a moment I see the one on the closer end of the stage begin to walk directly towards me. He reached out his hand and he put his hand on my chest. I don’t normally physically fall down or feel things, but at this moment I collapsed to the grown on a dirty cement floor in the Brazilian Church and I’m wearing my nice clothes and I’m on the floor in the fetal position and I’m feeling this fire from this hand of this angel just envelop my whole body Sid Roth. I literally creating my own puddle of sweat as I’m laying there feeling this fire all over me. And I began to see other things that were taking place in the meeting at the time. After he had touched me he went back to the stage, but I saw angels the size of regular man somewhere around six feet tall that were coming down and joining in the worship. They were coming through the ceiling of the church and joining in with the worship and they also had flame on them, but it was only about six inches of flame and they were joining in with the worship and I could see the worshipers of the 6,000 people worshiping. It looked like they were engulfed in flame as the worship intensified. As I continued to look, the Lord showed me a dark cloud roll in over the meeting. Now in the spirit that was what I was seeing, but my mind was thinking I don’t understand what this dark cloud is because I always thought dark cloud would equal witchcraft or something bad. It wasn’t until later that I saw that in the Old Testament God the Father would sometimes visit Israel as a dark cloud and I saw lightning flashing back and forth across it. Which it also says in the Old Testament in the book of Exodus and Deuteronomy it talks about the Father showing up in a dark cloud with His presence and lightings and flashings. And so I’m seeing all this activity going on; I’m laying on the floor, I have sweat on me, I’m asking the Lord what’s going on and all I hear is new mantle, the word new mantle. And at the time I didn’t understand and I started to feel something that was a little odd; other than the fire that had already enveloped me I started to feel like someone was dripping water on me. Now I tell you Sid, it was so realistic it felt like someone on the front row was playing a joke. I was looking at the front row thinking to myself, “Why would someone be doing that while I’m laying here?”
Sid: You know I had that happen to me once and I was in the last row of a church and I turned around angry because someone obviously had a bottle of water that they were spilling on me and there was no one behind me, so I understand. – Its Supernatural.
Jonathan: That’s exactly right; I looked at the front row with three different times because I felt three splashes just like that. I was getting upset even and it wasn’t until later I actually got a chance after the meeting, I saw all these things was in the meeting and I didn’t understand what was happening.
Sid: Now did the angels actually hold you down?
Jonathan: Yes.
Sid: Could you have gotten up if you wanted to?
Jonathan: I had tried, I’m one who tests things out so I’m laying there thinking can I get up? Is that possible Sid Roth? And Randy Clark who is leading the missions trip actually came over and asked me what I was seeing and I shared with him what I just shared with you and then I asked him to please flatten me out, because I was laying on my side in the fetal position. So he flattened me out on my back and I’m looking down at my body in the physical and I see an angel over each leg, holding me down and one with His hand on my chest. There were three of them and they were all keeping me there for my time with the Lord.
Sid: They wanted to make sure you received everything that God had for you.
Jonathan: Absolutely.
Sid: Now the thing that I find fascinating is this worship leader that had originally laid hands upon you, Silva that he saw in the spirit everything you saw.
Jonathan: Yes, being the kind of person that I am like I said, I test things out. I went to him after the meeting and I said, “I’m not going to tell you anything I saw, but I want you to tell me what you saw today.” And so he shared word for word what I just shared with you, but he added a few details. He said, “The angel that stepped off the stage said to him first, “I’m going down here to minister to this one and he pointed me out.” So Davey was aware of what was about to happen and then when I heard in my spirit the word new mantle, he said, “He saw the angels throw a brown cloth over me that had fire coming off the top of it and water dripping off the bottom.” Its Supernatural. That explained the water that I was feeling that felt so real, was water dripping from this spiritual mantle; which I believe had to do with the office of the seer that had been thrown over me.
Sid: Now, after that experience you saw major, major miracles break out in Brazil. Tell me one or two.
Jonathan: Absolutely, the one that stays with me the most is I prayed for a lady who had a tumor the size of a lemon on her shoulder. I put my hand on top of this tumor and I began to pray and my hand dropped three inches. It was almost like I had slapped her shoulder from three inches because the lemon size tumor instantly dissolved under my hand. And so quickly that my hand dropped in the space where the tumor was to touch her shoulder; completely healed no tumor whatsoever.
Sid: Now the thing that’s so exciting to me is not the experience that you had, the thing that’s so exciting to me is that you have a passion to equip people to walk in discerning of the spirits.
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Sid: And I’ll tell you something, if you’ve been listening all this week you can’t help but be red hot for the Messiah. Its Supernatural. My guest Delores Winder, just out of the blue in 1956, she began to have what they diagnosed as advanced osteoporosis which started causing her bones to get old and brittle way before their time. The disease progressed and her organs started shutting down, she had a body cast, body brace, neck brace, the worse pain a human could have. And the last step before someone dies when their pain is so unbearable is where they literally burn out the nerve centers in the brain so that the part of the body that’s experiencing the pain feels nothing, it’s not a reversible surgery, they did two of these surgeries on her. She found out about Kathryn Kulman, who has a great healing ministry, but of course although she was a strong Christian, she did not believe in healing. But she felt like the Lord said that her youngest son, she would get a revelation on what to do with him because she was going to die any day now. And incidentally that son literally said to his mother just out of the blue, “You’re going to be healed, Mom. And so she goes to this meeting, she gets her answer, because she was introduced to the Holy Spirit and had a vision that the Holy Spirit will be around her young son and take care of him. And all of a sudden something happened that not’s suppose to happen. Her legs were on fire, a medical doctor from Johns Hopkins had a Word of Knowledge; he persuades her to take off her body cast and she comes forward and she finds she’s able to walk, she able to bend down. And then Kathryn Kulman touches her and I guess you Delores, you were in so much shock that when you went down in the Spirit you probably didn’t think, this can’t happen because already you are moving your legs yourself off the ground. All you could do before is kind of shuffle and you could feel things. So what’s going on inside of that brain of yours?
Delores: I don’t think I can really tell you because it wasn’t till I felt as though it had to be somebody else and not me.
Sid: Well, the woman that took you, okay you get in your car, you’re driving home, what’s the conversation like?
Delores: We’ll, I have to back up a minute here because Dr. O’Ellen met me out in the lobby after it was over and he said to me “Delores, I need to caution you about something.” And I thought, “Oh here it comes, here’s the catch.” And he said, “Satan’s going to try to tell you that you haven’t been healed. Now I was in church all my life, we never talked about Satan and I backed off from him and he said, “Just remember what I cautioned you about.” And I went home wondering what were these people like, what would he mean by that? We got out to the car and Dale said, put your cast on. And I said no. And so I wouldn’t put the cast on again and she said, I’m afraid to take you home without it. And I said, “No.” And finally we started home. And then she said to me, what are you going to tell Bill? And I thought oh my, I don’t know and so we were both pretty much in a fog and when we got home, she was driving Bill’s car, but she parked across in her driveway. And they were very anxious because it was very late and Chris was watching opened the door, saw me step out of the car for the first time in his life by myself. Dale said to me, “I’m not going over with you, I don’t know what happened.” And I said, “I can’t go over alone.” Well, Chris came over and grabbed me around the waist and started carrying me, and he was saying, “You were healed, you were healed.” We went into the house; Bill said to me, “All right where is your cast?” And I said, “It’s in the car.” And he said, “All right let’s get her to bed. And Chris said, “Can we go to church in the morning and I said, yes.” Bill said, “Chris, will, talk about this tomorrow let’s get her to bed. And I slept in a valley of a hospital bed and Bill got me to bed in that position and I slept, but he said to me, he was in his bed and he said to me, no that was the next day. He said “That I don’t think that you could get in that cast now.” And I tried it on because I was straight the cast was made for a crooked body. So this is what happened and I had to learn something, the whole Bible is real, it’s truth and in meeting the Holy Spirit he changed everything. Because I knew that I knew God was with me and He was right there and he took care of things. He managed the whole show.
Sid:Its Supernatural. Well, tell me what happened when you went for the first time to your doctor?
Delores: Ha, well I called and made an appointment and I told them “Don’t tell him I’m coming in” and so he came into the room and saw me sitting there and he said, “Delores what are you doing here?” because, he was waiting for Bill to call him and tell him I was dead. And I said, “I want you to check me.” And he said, “Something has happened to you, you look different, what do you want me to check? I said, “Everything.” So he got me up, stood me up and the nurses were all holding me and he said bend over and he was trying to bend me and I just pushed their hands aside and just went down and touched the floor. And I stood up and turned around to look at him. And he said, “Let me see your sore.” That was the first thing he thought about. And I showed him my sore, and he said, “It scared over, what happened?” And I said, “No, I want you to check everything.” I got on the table, could turn over by myself.
Sid: Oh, “What was happed to that bone that was sticking out?”
Delores: It was still out, but it had covering over it of flesh. And then he started checking and running his hands, his fingers down and said doesn’t that hurt?” Up where the shoulder I could still feel in and I said, “No.” And then he said to me “I suppose you want me to use the pin too?” He said, “Your spine is straight.” And I said, “Yes, I want you to use the pin,” and he barely touched my right foot with the sharp point.” And I said, “It’s sharp,” and he said, “Tell me what happened, but let me sit down.” Sid Roth. And he sat down on his stool and he started crying, and I knew that somehow he knew that this happened a different way and it would be logical because I was a very logical person and I told him what happen, and I said, “Then tell me another way that this could have happened?” And he said, “Delores this is truly a miracle of God and you have work to do for Him.”
Sid: Now Delores, that doctor didn’t realize how prophetic he was but some strange things, good things started happening to you like your hands you would feel almost like electric currents were going through your hands. And there would be spots in your hands that would be burning hot, what did you do when that happened?
Delores: Tried to hide my hands, not touch anyone, I really fought this because it was not according to my way.
Sid: Well, you were teaching a Bible study one day and someone brushed against you, of which you had no control over that, and what happened to that person?
Delores: Well, they fell over and…
Sid: And you know it was the Spirit of God just went out of you and just knocked them down to the floor.
Delores: Yes, and it happened to about five people before I could get out of there Sid Roth. I was trying to get out without any disturbance, but I’m afraid the Holy Spirit disturbed the whole thing and He was working and doing a job.
Sid: And then you sat down and got some counsel from a pastor that said, “Find out what happened to these people.” Well, what happened to these people?
Delores: Well, the first woman was so incredible, she had not cried in eighteen years. Her father was an alcoholic and the children dare not cry and he would beat them. Her grandfather died, she loved her grandfather and the father came home after the grandfather had died and she was crying in her room and he went in and beat her so bad that she couldn’t even get up and go to the funeral. And she had not cried in eighteen years and she got up off the floor and thought someone had poured water on her; she was crying and the tears started flowing and how wonderful it was. Another woman was healed of arthritis and just different things.
Sid: Kathryn Kulman you use to say “Arthritis that’s automatic.” Until one doctor walked up and said, “Miss Kulman don’t you know that there’s no cure for arthritis?”
Delores: That’s right, that’s right.
Sid: But it was automatic for her almost, she had so many people healed of arthritis. When did you realize that when this electric current went through you and you prayed for people that they got healed?
Delores: I wasn’t even praying for people Sid Roth.
Sid: Just touched them.
Delores: It was happening and I wanted Bill to move away where no one would know what happened to me and we could just go on with our life and he said, “God didn’t heal you for me to hide you, I can’t do that.” And it was very difficult because we had a marriage to be renewed, we had a family life that needed taken care of and I just wanted to do that. But found that I couldn’t and it seemed, Bill said, “Someone would know you regardless of where we would go.” - Its Supernatural.
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