Sid: My guest Martha Kilpatrick has a new book titled “Chariot of Fire – Elijah of the Last Days.” Now recently I had a conference in Brunswick, Georgia called “Days of Elijah.” So somehow this book got into a pile of books, and when books come to me what I do is I give them to Janie DuVall, producer of the radio and television show and Janie’s job is to screen the books; that’s my normal method so to speak especially with a conference coming up. But “Days of Elijah” was the title of the conference and the book was called “Elijah of the Last Days.” So I picked it up and I said to myself “There is such an important message here. First thing I want to do is I want to call Martha and tell her how much it ministered to me.” Then I suggested she come to our conference and she came to our conference, and she spoke just for a few minutes really and some of our people got set free. One woman in particular tell me about her Martha.
Martha: She came to me after I spoke with tears running down her cheeks and she said “I’ve been set free today. I didn’t understand what my problem was, I saw it finally as Jezebel” and the root of her problem was fear.
Sid: You know Martha the thing that is so amazing to me is when people hear Jezebel they think that’s a stigma of “Oh! They’re into witchcraft, and they’re filled with demons.” When I read your book I saw Jezebel and Ahab in my own life. I believe that everyone of us are dealing with those spirits in our lives, and with people that have those spirits that are in a simplistic approach as I understand it, a Jezebel spirit controls through intimidation and fear. An Ahab spirit wants peace at any price and submits to everything and where is God in the equation, He’s nowhere. Once this lightbulb goes on you can do something about it. So what happened to this woman?
Martha: Yes well apparently she was struggling with something and she didn’t have its name. Now most of defeating Jezebel is to realize that’s what it is, that it is a Jezebel spirit, it is a principality much more than a demonic thing. All of us have that propensity any of us can go in either direction.
Sid: So you lost me for a second you said “It’s a principality rather than demonic.” Well principality is demonic.
Martha: But it has a… the Jezebel spirit has an authority higher than a demonic.
Sid: Ah I see.
Martha: So it is a bigger force and all of us have the tendency we can go into giving up our volition, or we can take control. When you do that as a lifestyle you enter that realm of Satan’s involvement.
Sid: What about when you stated a word that got me thinking, “We can give up our volition.” Could something such as wanting to appease the flesh but not in a horrible way “Oooh just fun – fun – fun,” nice things rather than spending time developing intimacy with God. I don’t mean to put trips on anyone. Could this be a spirit?
Martha: It could be. God has to define and name, so your relationship God is as the Holy Spirit whispers to you and says “It’s that woman in the conference.” The Holy Spirit let her see a connection between her problem and what I was sharing. It can go to a spirit, the human tendency is to want pleasure, but when that is indulged and indulged then it can be taken over by the stronghold of the enemy. Jezebel is about feeling good, it’s about pleasures of the flesh of all kinds. That is the goal is just to be comfortable and feel good…
Sid: But where do you draw the line as you said “It’s no sin and God wants us to enjoy this life,” but by the same token He doesn’t want it to… Where’s the line drawn?
Martha: The line exists in the heart. I say in the book that the war is not with Jezebel but it is within your own heart.
Sid: We always look at the other person rather than ourselves…
Martha: Yes and we look at the enemy.
Sid: Hmm hm.
Martha: And at the one who’s attacking. But the real battle is in the human heart and it’s a matter of worship. Ultimately it boils down to what do you worship? What you worship, first of all is what you fear, and what you love, and what you want. If you heart is right then the Jezebel spirit will not take you nor will the Ahab spirit.
Sid: Where does someone draw the line in a marriage where their wife or their husband through fear or perhaps “Maybe there’ll be a divorce if I don’t submit to them…” There’s a hard question, where does someone draw that line? Do you understand what I’m saying?
Martha: Yes I do understand because Jezebel, Ahab is a marriage.
Martha: That principality Satan loves to insert it into a marital relationship, into a church, brother and sister relationship, and the line is drawn only by the Holy Spirit. So the solution someone asked me “Do you have the solution here?” I said “It is not a How-To book” because it points to a relationship with God and intimacy with Him. You have to hear His voice individually and in that marriage as to how to walk that out and how to understand where control crosses the line into your very soul. It takes really the voice of God and the presence of God, a relationship with Him is the solution to it.
Sid: It’s actually, you give an example in your book of it could be life threatening if you cross over the line. Would you explain that?
Martha: Yes there is a real spirit of intimidation and aggression that comes from Jezebel. In the Biblical story she did murder many of God’s people and God’s prophets. There is a definite threat “If you don’t do what I say, you will perish,” and there can be literally the threat of death.
Sid: And the bigger question Martha is, what does God think of all of this?
Martha: One of the things I wanted to convey in this book is the reality of the judgment of God against those who participate in the Jezebel spirit. He mentions it in Revelation 2 which is written to the New Testament church. This is not under the Old Covenant this is under the new. He says about tolerating Jezebel “I’ve given her time to repent and she’s unwilling so I’ve cast her on the bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery (spiritual adultery is more of what it means with her) suffer intensely and I will strike her children dead.” I think we have seen the reality of this in lives, we have seen deaths and suffering and sickness that was related to the Jezebel principality.
Sid: But Martha, we have a whole country of Christians in the United States of America that are pleasure seekers rather than fear of God. Do you think some sort of judgment will be coming even on America?
Martha: Yes I do. I think it has begun.
Sid: In 1998 you had a word from God, what was that?
Martha: Yes. I saw… I was in Jeremiah and I saw that when Jezebel is allowed to rule a nation and it goes into the queen of heaven, that there is an inevitable judgment. The Lord spoke to me that we would go to war. I shared it with my church and called them to prepare to be warriors to use the time we had to get ready, and that there was no prayer that could pray it away, it an inevitable war.
Sid: Was it revealed what nations were involved?
Sid: I mean it appears as though it could very well… this starting point could be a war with Iraq.
Sid: Which would then involve other nations taking sides could easily be.
Martha: Yes very easily. That was an obvious choice, but the…
Sid: So what’s going to happen as a consequence of this war?
Martha: I’m not sure that I know that. I just know that believers have to be strong in the Lord, ready to do spiritual warfare, and prepared for any eventuality including suffering as believers.
Sid: Could we actually have war in this… did you see war in this country?
Martha: I did not see war in this country but I did see great suffering.
Sid: So if there’s ever been a time to remove the obstacles from intimacy with God. In effect that’s the subject of your book…
Martha: Yes it is
Sid: …that we’re talking about. Why did you write the book “Chariot of Fire – Elijah the Last Days?”
Martha: I began to see that God wanted me to, I didn’t much want to I didn’t want to know as much about Jezebel as I know. I was sort of like Elijah, I had had a stream of life experiences with Jezebel figures that I had to learn the secrets of Elijah. As I went through years of this I began to see the tremendous need in the body of Christ. We do not recognize evil, we do not recognize the judgment of God as it comes in our midst. We don’t name it, we rather that I write in the book that we’d rather dance than fight. We’d rather make merry than grapple, and we don’t name evil, and see evil, and it is crucial that we do so.
Sid: What feedback, although it’s a new book, what feedback are you getting from people that read it?
Martha: I had a word a number of people have been extremely affected, and transformed, healed one woman called it “Healed.” She read it 5 times.
Sid: Now I read it very quickly because the conference was coming up. I intend to read it slowly it is that kind of book.
Martha: The book is intended for you to… for the reader to deal with those propensities. And in self before you begin to even take on the Jezebel in another person or in a church or whatever. But it is a personal individual journey.
Sid: It is really a block to intimacy with God…
Martha: Yes it is.
Sid: A major block.
Martha: That’s what Jezebel steals is intimacy with God. She comes and interferes with that communication.
Sid: I want to ask you about your intimacy with God, I mean I’m overwhelmed with the path God’s taking you, but we’re out of time today.