25 Jun 10 Sid Roth welcomes Carol Reed
SID: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Carol Reed. Last week hopefully you met her husband Isaiah Reed. Carol as I look at you right now I have to tell you something. I can’t imagine a woman that was beaten at one point eight hours, beaten, physically beaten, living the life you lived as a prostitute, and I look at you right now, I’m going to have to ask you a question because I see this, but I’m going to have to ask you this – you don’t look remotely like – I didn’t know that person but that person doesn’t even exist. Does she in your mind?
CAROL: No, you know when God heals you He makes you whole. And so all of those things even they were things in the past, there’s no remnant of it, there’s no scars left there only to be used to help other people. Yeah I went through a lot of those things but today they are empowering me. They are not anything that holds me down.
SID: And I notice you can even talk about it.
CAROL: Yeah.
SID: Which, if it wasn’t for the fact that you know, that was a different person. But, someone doesn’t wake up one day and say ‘I want to be a prostitute.’
CAROL: No.
SID: It’s a gradual little by little – I know you can from a nice middle-class family in L.A. – but your stepfather tried to rape you and you ran away from home. And I guess that’s when it really began?
CAROL: You know I really believe when I was a child you know the devil studies you from when you were little. And he put those things that were insecurities in me and he just blew them out of proportion, and when they weren’t dealt with they simply grew with me. And so every times there was another part of me that was insecure, he just blew it out of proportion. I believe when my mother’s husband tired to rape me that was my fork in the road and I said to myself well, if they think I am a prostitute then I might as well be one. And so I literally allowed what I heard in my psyche to manifest in reality, and I bit the apple.
SID: Now what was the carrot? What were you after? What was your goal back then? CAROL: I really wanted love, number one, was always one of the most things that I have ever wanted. But I really wanted to be an entertainer and I felt as though there was really no way for me to get in to entertainment because of the media it shows women using their bodies and I looked at myself at one point of my life and said, well I’m beautiful, I can use my body because that’s what the media says you know, they’re looking for the glamorous girls and every guy wants a glamorous girl on his arm and so I used my body actually it was a weapon against myself. You know no one was interested in who Carol was on the inside, they just wanted to see who was this trophy baby that they could put up on their shelves or carry on their arms, and I let it get the worst of me.
SID: So why did you stay in it, though?
CAROL: You know when you are in a lifestyle like that, after being in it so long you know it’s like a voice speaking into your ear what else can you do? You don’t have any skills. You’re not marketable. You know, where else are you going to make this kind of money? I was making anywhere from nine to two thousand dollars a day being a prostitute. The devil makes sin look good. And so I was drawn even more and more, and the one year was four years, four years was eight years, eight years ten years, ten years twenty years! And the next thing you know I look back and where’s Carol at? Carol is this drug addict and this prostitute looks in the mirror, I can’t stand myself. There’s no other choice for me.
SID: There was a young pimp that was taken with you and was stalking you and your father killed him.
CAROL: Yes, I had a – because of low self esteem I sought out somebody that I thought that I could groom and make him into this man that I wanted, because you know all of the men that I had before had let me down and so I met this young man and I told him too much information about me and he took it the wrong way and when I decided I wanted to get out of the relationship he began to stalk me for two weeks and one day, August 23rd, after bringing taking my son getting ready to take my son into the babysitters he came out of nowhere and was going to kill me and my son. And that day I felt death in the air, I could feel demons in the air to gather a soul back, and also feel angels in the air. I knew death was real but I didn’t know who was there to collect until he asked me where was my father at; and immediately he said that, on his face I could see death and I began to beg him and ask him to run, but it was too late. The next thing I knew my father pulled up behind me and within a matter of seconds he pulled out a nine millimeter and shot this man five times in front of my face. And my world shattered that day because I had destroyed two people’s lives because of my insecurity. You know and it the thing that the devil will use whatever he can do to hold you back from being who you were created to be.
SID: Isaiah Reed.
CAROL: Yes.
SID: When did you meet him and you didn’t realize he was even a pimp.
CAROL: I met Isaiah Reed in 1985. I used to live with Jim Brown the football player and one night after coming from a restaurant, I was on my way out and he came up to me and handed me some keys to a Rolls-Royce and I asked him in a not polite way to get away from me, and then when he decided he didn’t want to I gave him my phone number and he began to pursue me. You have to understand because I suffered from a low self-esteem so bad, anyone that seemed interested in me I gave them my attention because I needed his validation to make me be somebody because I didn’t know who I was. And he sought me out and began to call me, and I was in this big case with Jim Brown it was all over the news about raping some girl, and it wasn’t true but –
SID: The football player.
CAROL: The football player, Jim Brown of the Cleveland Browns –
SID: Right
CAROL: And so we won the case, and Isaiah who was at that time known as Prophet, he called his self Ricky Williams, he called me and asked me would I come to Hawaii to celebrate winning this case and I thought sure, what girl wouldn’t take a trip to Hawaii. And so unbeknownst to me, I flew over there and fell in love with him. And I can remember I thought to myself that either he’s one of two things, either he’s a drug dealer or he’s a pimp, and when I asked him, he told me he was both. And I figured okay, you know, even if he is a pimp I can get rid of two of the girls, I’m cute enough, I can run them off. But then I asked him how many girls he had, and he said, well I have seventeen. And I was like wow; you know that’s quite a few young ladies you know. But it was something that was in me because we had had sexual relations even though I wanted to leave him; I was still drawn to him. And I couldn’t deny the fact that there was something between us and I began to work for him knowing that he was going to pimp me and I was in total agreement to do it. You see a lot of people have it misconstrued that a lot of young ladies are prostituting themselves are being forced to prostitute themselves when it’s a free choice. I had a free choice. I chose to do that.
SID: Yes, but when the other women saw he favored you, what did one woman do?
CAROL: Well, in 1989 I got pregnant and I said surely he’s not going to make me work the streets anymore and the other girls were very upset because they had been with him for twelve-fourteen years, and here I cone along and I’m pregnant and I can remember when I was pregnant one of the girls kicked me in my stomach, and uh, when I delivered my son at seven and one half months, my baby weighed three pounds, three and three-fourths.
SID: Did Isaiah have you working the streets while you were carrying the baby?
CAROL: Isaiah had me working the street, and also myself. You have to understand something about -
SID: I’ll tell you what. Hold that thought. We’ll be right back in a moment and we’ll bring the man who became her husband, Isaiah, here.
18 Jun 10 Sid Roth welcomes Tommy Tenney
SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter. The presence of God is going to pour like a river. I’m so glad that this isn’t the same old, same old type of TV where you sit back, and you just relax and you say entertain me. No, no, no this is inter-active. You are about ready to experience the power of God. You see, Tommy Tenney, has intimacy with God and from this intimacy he walks in divine favor and he tells me his favorite thing is to just relax in his chair and contemplate things, and he hears expressions and words from God. And Tommy, I have to believe some of those nuggets in your book came from those times.
TOMMY: Oh, absolutely.
SID: Tell us just a few of them.
TOMMY: Well, it’s about favor. We were chatting. We have actually had about as much fun off the air as we have on the air.
SID: Well it had better be that way, otherwise forget it all.
TOMMY: That’s right. We were talking and this is one of the things that impacted me is that one day of favor can be worth more than a lifetime of labor. You can work your whole life and it not put you where one day of favor can place you.
SID: So profound.
TOMMY: You don’t need everybody to like you Sid; you just need the right one.
SID: And we work our whole life to get everyone else to like us and we don’t even think in terms of the only one that counts.
TOMMY: Favor can restore in a day what was stolen over a lifetime. Everything can be compacted into one moment. And for some people, it’s their moment.
SID: And not only that, for some of you, you say, well I missed my chance. Tommy, what would you say?
TOMMY: Favor can restore in a day what was stolen over a lifetime. Satan cannot steal your destiny. The king can restore anything that was stolen. The Bible is full of examples, where people like; in the story of Esther they are a disenfranchised people, carried captive. They were not only carried captive by the Persians, by the Babylonians, and then they got traded off like a used car, to the Persians. Secondhand captives. But somehow through favor Esther became Queen of Persia. Her adopted father became prime minister, and carried the seal of the king’s reign and authority. God wants to give people authority in their life. He wants to empower them, but you can’t do it…don’t flirt with everybody else in the palace. Don’t worry about man’s opinion. Man is fickle. They will love you today and hate you tomorrow. It’s favor with the king that you really want.
SID: I understand this favor. But I’m beginning to understand it even more, Tommy, as I take some of these protocols as you call them…
TOMMY: Right
SID: …in your book. The favor in my life is visibly increasing; it has to do with only one thing. It took me a long time to figure it out. You figured it out sooner than I did, but what’s more important is to figure it out.
TOMMY: That’s right.
SID: Not when you figure it out, but if you figure it out. I am putting, carving out time for God like I’ve never done before. Quality time, quiet time, as you put it, contemplative time, and I’m seeing it. I know you don’t like to say an equation, but it is, God says, I believe, that if I will spend time putting Him first…
TOMMY: That’s right.
SID: He is going to shine on me. And the thing that is so exciting is He is enough sunlight to shine on everyone.
TOMMY: If the king likes you, it doesn’t matter who dislikes you. If you don’t spend time with the king…Esther prepared, that was not time wasted. Some people feel like I’m stuck, I’m in a rut. Time spent preparing is never time wasted when it’s your day, if you want it to be your moment, your time – your opportunity. The little woman that touched the hem of Jesus garment, she had been sick for twelve years. What if she had and that would have been a good excuse for her to say, I don’t think I going to go out into the crowd today.
SID: But worse than that, an unclean woman wasn’t allowed to touch a Jewish rabbi.
TOMMY: That’s right. But something inside of her said I’m not going to miss my moment. I refuse to miss my destiny. And she elbowed her way past the opinions of others to get to the feet of Jesus basically. Now my Bible tells me, as best I am able to understand it, that Jesus never passed through that village again. What if she had said, I’ll wait until next Sunday. I’ll wait till the next program. But she said no, it’s my turn. I love this little verse, Esther, chapter two, verse fifteen, it says, “Now when the turn of Esther was come.” I came to tell some of you, it’s your turn. It’s your time.
SID: Did you hear that? It is your turn. I can tell you what happened to me. Coming from a traditional Jewish background; being involved in the new age, not knowing the difference between my left hand and my right hand, about ready to be destroyed, about ready for my marriage to be destroyed. I can tell you that when I had no hope, it was my turn because someone cared enough about me to tell me that there is a stronger power than the new age power that was tearing me apart from the inside out and that power was in the name of Jesus! And all I can tell you is I didn’t understand who He was, I didn’t understand what He did, I couldn’t tell you a theological message from beans! I couldn’t tell you anything. All I could tell you I was going down for the third time, and I was gasping for air, and I cried out a one word prayer, no it was two words. Jesus help. And when I woke up, Tommy, from the worst night of my life, I was surrounded with supernatural peace like I had never experienced in the new age, or in the occult, and when I experienced that peace, it was the first time in a year, in a lifetime, not a year, in a lifetime I experienced that peace. And this is my story, and it’s a true story. God restored my mind, He restored my peace. Get this, my wife and I just celebrated our 43rd anniversary. Only God could do this. Only God can restore. And you know something, what Tommy said; one night with the king, one night Tommy: Changes everything.
SID: Thirty seconds, look into the camera and say something, one night.
TOMMY: One night with the king can change everything. And I think it is your turn for you to have that encounter. Remember; never underestimate the potential of one encounter. One night with the king, turned a peasant into a queen. Never underestimate the potential of one prayer. Pray that prayer now, and see what God can do. It’s your turn.
SID: Simple prayer. Jesus, help. That’s it, Tommy, you know. Hey you think I’m a little fanatic? You should see how fanatic people are for demonic. It’s about time some of God’s children got fanatic for Him. He is worth it. Nothing else is worth it. God is worth it. I’m so glad you watched today. Bet you are too.
11 Jun 10 Sid Roth welcomes Tommy Tenney
SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Tommy Tenney. There’s a part of his book, on the book of Esther that I have to tell you is one of my favorite parts. At least that’s where God has me right now. Some people refer to this as soaking. Tommy has other descriptions for it. Tommy, tell me about Esther’s preparation with that oil of myrrh and perfume.
TOMMY: Esther, when she was brought into the palace, it’s not like they said, okay, take a shower, and tomorrow you see the king. There was twelve months of preparation. The first six months the Bible says that they soaked in oil of myrrh. That’s a very fragrant, aromatic perfume, and six months in oil of myrrh. The king must have really liked myrrh. And then six months with other spices until by the end of that process I think you could probably smell Esther before you could see Esther. They would say, here comes Esther. But I don’t see her. No, but she carried her own cloud with her. And that was the anointing. And the real purpose of that anointing, now think about this Sid, she walks through the palace. Every young man in the palace wants to say, hey Esther, let’s talk. To which Esther’s only legitimate response is, sorry, I can’t talk to you. But why Esther? You smell good, you look good; you’re walking good, beautiful dress. Esther would have to say, I’m sorry I can’t talk to you. Why? It’s not your oil.
Sometimes Sid, we prostitute the anointing to gain favor with anybody else in the palace. And one of the lessons I learned from Esther is, don’t flirt with lower lovers. Save yourself for the king. And that process of preparing, it was all about, the purpose of the anointing, the real purpose of the anointing, is to camouflage the stench of human flesh so the king can stand to be in the same room with you.
SID: If someone says, I’m going to, as we do here in the west, segment their life, and say, this part is for God, this part is for me. What’s wrong with that thinking?
TOMMY: Well, it all belongs to God. It would have been a travesty for a young lady to walk in and think that the palace was about her. It would have been a prostitution of the process to say this is all about me. In order to find favor with the king, you had to realize, think about these young girls, Sid. They come into this palace; they had never seen a palace like this. It would have been real easy, I’m going to tweak some religious spirits; can you handle it?
SID: I can handle it, the question is can you handle it?
TOMMY: They walk into this palace and it’s beautiful and it would have been real easy for these young peasant girls to fall in love with the palace. Esther’s secret was she didn’t fall in love with the palace she fell in love with the presence. She realized that the palace was just a big empty house without the king. Sometimes people fall in love with, church. And what they need to do is fall in love with the king.
SID: Tommy, I have a question. You’ve got this Hollywood motion picture, you’ve got book after book after book that’s bestseller. How do you, as my wife likes to say, how do you handle the “P” word? Pride?
TOMMY: Oh.
SID: That’s a toughie though.
TOMMY: You know it may be. But I know Tommy Tenney. He’s not capable of doing any of that. I couldn’t do it without Him. It’s not about me.
SID: What is your personal worship like, life like?
TOMMY: Very contemplative. I, most of my prayer time is spend listening instead of talking. I do have a few outbursts every now and then tell Him how I feel. But I’ve found that a good listener is more powerful than a good talker. And it works with my wife; works with people, and about the only time I’m really comfortable talking is when I’m up speaking. The rest of the time I would prefer to fade into the background somewhere.
SID: Just out of curiosity, are you more of an introverted type of person if you really could do what you wanted to do?
TOMMY: If I could do what I wanted to do, I’d live on an island, my wife, my family, my kids, write books and be in the presence of God. Quite honestly, Sid, I don’t get my kicks out of preaching. Preaching is my assignment; it’s what I’m supposed to do. Writing is my assignment. Where I get my life from, where energy flows into me is from worship. And there is nothing better that I like than to be in God’s presence. Not somebody saying He’s there, but Him really being there.
SID: For those that really don’t understand what we’re talking about, what does it mean, really, in words people can understand, to be in the presence of God?
TOMMY: I’ve been in the presence of Presidents, powerful people, in making this movie, had many, many nights of dinner with people like Omar Shariff, famous actors, and they are all interesting people, but there is nothing like being in the presence of God, your past and your future all rolled into one. Suddenly you see, and you don’t only see, you understand what you see. When I’m in God’s presence, I understand things, I know how things work, I don’t have to try to figure things out, you walk out, have you ever walked into a worship service and circumstances in life have you down, but you worship. You don’t just sing a song, you don’t go through a ritual, you somehow get into God’s presence, then when you leave that service, the circumstances that existed before you walked in are still there, but they don’t affect you anymore. Because of the divine perspective, you saw how it works.
SID: With what’s going on in the world today, how would you like to walk in that type of supernatural peace?
TOMMY: Favor.
SID: The whole thing that Tommy is saying is, he’s not special. What God has done for him, He wants to, I believe God has a greater desire for you to enter this arena, than you do. I think it’s time for it to be reversed. I think you should have a greater desire to enter it than God. But it’s actually the opposite. We’ll be right back, if that hasn’t confused you, come on back and I’ll confuse you a little more. Don’t go away. Singer: One moment in His presence…
04 Jun 10 Sid Roth welcomes Tommy Tenney
SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Tommy Tenney and I have to tell you last week something happened to me in a very supernatural fashion. You see, God began to tell me there were people that were watching that had separation between him and them. And that God wanted in the worst way to have intimacy with them. He wants you to know him. He wants you to experience his love, and I believe those same people are watching right now and I have a guest, Tommy Tenney, who was my guest last week and I said to Tommy, I have to have you this week because there was a special presence of God for certain people. This is an inter-active show, what I mean by inter-active is that you are not just going to sit back and be entertained, you are going to experience the supernatural hand of God. Tommy, we were talking last week about the book of Esther and, you know, when you say this it inspires me so much. When you talk about the title of your motion picture, One Night with the King, tell us what one night with the king could do for an individual watching us right now.
TOMMY: Like we were talking last week, favor is the key word in the book of Esther. It is virtually in every chapter that Esther found favor. And its about finding favor, not with just anybody, you don’t need everybody to like you, just the right one. But how do you, how do you get God to like you? Some people feel like that’s impossible, it’s really not. And Esther learned the secrets, and we’ve been talking about what we called the protocols of the palace. Picture this young Jewish peasant girl, picked up, deposited in the palace. She has to learn where to walk, where not to walk, what to say. She learns the protocol. And in terms of our heavenly king worship is the protocol; it’s how you act in God’s presence. What made the king notice Esther? And I’m going to make what could be a humorous comment but, Sid, I don’t really think that Esther walked into the King’s presence with an old dirty tee-shirt on, white fluffy bunny slippers with the back mashed out, and said, Hey, big boy, we’ve got to talk. I don’t think it happened that way. I think that…
SID: How many women were going after this position, would you say?
TOMMY: Well, somewhere between 400 and 1400. Some of them volunteered, some of them their parents sent them there to try to gain political positions. Some were just carried captive there.
SID: And many of them had pedigrees, not like Esther.
TOMMY: That’s right. It was unprecedented for a Persian king to not marry somebody from their lineage. And it’s an incredible story that God picked Esther, but Esther submitted herself to that protocol. She said, okay, to one of the king’s chamberlain, we know his name in the Bible, Haggai, she said, you tell me how to act, you tell me what to do, tell me what to wear, and she did that. And there are people who dishonor the king by refusing to learn how to act in his presence. My mission in life, I’m not the king, I’m a chamberlain, I’m a guy that’s been in the presence of the king and my goal is to tell people how to act in his presence. I talk to people about worship; I can tell you what the king’s favorite dress is. He said, put on the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness. Praise is God’s favorite dress. And some people say, well, you know, that’s just not my personality. Yet they want favor. But they say, it’s not my personality to do that. Then don’t blame me if God doesn’t nod as we talked about…
SID: Are you trying to tell me, Tommy, it’s not my kingdom, but His kingdom, it’s not my will, but His will, but would you…
TOMMY: God has this incredible idea, Sid. He thinks church and the world is all about Him.
SID: It’s not about the pastor who has to give his message, or he’ll bust? I don’t believe I said that.
TOMMY: And neither is it about the banker that has to pursue his career or he’ll bust. It’s all about god. It’s about, we were created for a purpose, and you will all be frustrated, we will all be frustrated, if we don’t fulfill our ultimate purpose. And the ultimate purpose of man is to worship God.
SID: So many people go to church and they think the worship is the preliminary.
TOMMY: Worship is the only part of our services that God gets any thing out of.
SID: I would like you to say that again.
TOMMY: Worship, I didn’t say worship was the only good part.
SID: Right
TOMMY: I said worship is the only part of our services that God gets anything out of. God doesn’t get anything out of my preaching, your teaching. Can you see God sitting on the throne of Heaven listening to what we have to say and nudging Michael or Gabriel and saying, “Here, hand me a pen, I want to write that down, I didn’t know that.” No.
My preaching, my teaching doesn’t teach God anything. The purpose of preaching and teaching is to raise up worshippers. So, there’s an attitude that comes with the denigrating of worship. People say, you know, I’ll be late for church and I’ll miss the wo4rship but I’ll get there for the word. And they are proud of that fact. What they are saying is, saying to God, I’m going to miss your part. I want to get there for my part. And it doesn’t work.
SID: You know, in your book you talk about Esther’s preparation; especially soaking for a year. We’re going to take a break and when we come back we’re going to learn…
TOMMY: Can you imagine what she smelled like?
SID: I’m going to tell you something I think she smelled more like that perfume than she smelled like a human. We’ll be back in just a moment. Don’t go away. Someone’s neck has just been healed, someone’s back is just straightening out, and your hip the pain is gone, in Jesus name. This is interactive, two-way television, and some of you are about ready to have that encounter that your heart has wanted. Your mind just hasn’t quite figured it out yet, but it will. Don’t go away, we’ll be right back. Singer: “One night with the king, changes everything…”
28 May 10 Sid Roth welcomes Jennifer Toledo
SID: Imagine, 21-years-old, going to Africa, being involved with a tribe that has made a blood covenant with the devil, people that go against this tribe, strange, horrible, supernatural things happen. And Jennifer Toledo, in addition to that, you have no money, so what did you do about this situation with these, I mean no one is going to come to God because if they come to Jesus, they have these witch doctors after them, so no one can make any ground there, so what did you do?
JENNIFER: Well first I just began to pray because it just felt so overwhelming, I mean on every area, I mean there was poverty, there was famine, there was draught, war, violence, I mean so it just felt completely overwhelming obviously, and I just began to just pray and just tell the Lord why am I here, what’s this about? And God just asked me a very simple question, he said, “Jennifer, do you still believe, do you believe that I still use David’s to take down Goliath’s?” I had to think about that, I mean of course I believe that you are the God of miracles and I know you can do that but I know you can’t mean me, I now you can’t mean this place, but I just began to ask God of a simple strategy, for his heart for that place, and because I had really encountered compassion in the weeping room, my heart was so moved for these people I really wanted to see transformation come to that place.
SID: Now I have to tell you that anyone who listens to this CD, the Weeping Room, anyone that listens how to become like a little child, their faith is going to zoom. I mean I don’t know what feedback you are getting, but I know what happened to me and I know what happened to my staff that listened to this, and I must say, you do have childlike faith, and you do have compassion, so what happened?
JENNIFER: So we asked God for a strategy and what he said was to draw all of the leaders of the region together since it was originally the leaders who originally put the tribe in the curse, in the covenant, and so all the leaders came together, 1500 pastors, tribal leaders, government leaders, gathered together for seven days, and they repented for their covenants with the enemy, they broke curses, and then, what God told us, he said this is how you fix it, the only way that they can come out of covenant with Satan is they have to come into a stronger blood covenant, and so the whole tribe corporately came into blood covenants with Jesus Christ, it was so amazing.
SID: The whole tribe?
JENNIFER: The whole tribe.
SID: What happened to the witch doctors?
JENNIFER: Well what happened was when this happened, instantly God showed up in power and there was a complete shift in the atmosphere and we asked God for signs, and you know it hadn’t rained there in years and people were dying because of the drought, it starts to pour down rain, right in the middle of the desert, and then all of a sudden once this is done, a huge bolt of lightening, I mean this is like listening to a Bible story, this is the God of today, this is so awesome, huge bolt of lightening strikes this mountain called goat mountain, and that’s the place where all the witch doctors, you know that’s their place, that’s their high point, and they come running down the mountain in fear, because their power has dried up, something has changed, God stepped in, the curse is broken, and many of those witch doctors ended up getting delivered and saved and set free.
SID: Listen, like we say at Passover Seder, I’m sorry, like we say at Hanukkah, “A great miracle happened in this place.” A great miracle happened in this place, but then you picked up a rare tropical disease, tell me what happened to your body.
JENNIFER: I got very sick and didn’t know what was happening but knew that I was in very bad shape, I had been rushed to a hospital that was 14 hours away, and even getting there was a miracle. But once I got there I had been told if I had just been a few hours later I would have been dead. All of my organs had begun to shut down, and this toxin in my body was just completely destroying everything inside of me. And I was told there really wasn’t much they could do, there wasn’t a whole lot of hope, what they needed to do was a surgery to try to salvage whatever they could but something rose up inside of me and I just said no, I’m not going to have this surgery, I know that Jesus can heal me, this is my dad I’ve seen since 7-years-old who has taken care of me, has provided for me, he will not fail me now. And I just began to stand on the promises in the Bible. And what happened, as I was laying in my bed, I saw Jesus walk into my hospital room, and He took the back of His hand and He just cut me open, pulled my skin back
SID: Did it hurt?
JENNIFER: Didn’t hurt, it was really awesome. This is actually in a dream, as I was praying I fell asleep and had this dream, pulled my skin back, one by one He began to massage my organs, and put them back in, cleaned some things out and He just smiled and said, “It’s good.” Closed my skin back up, He had my perfect color skin in His hand, put it back on top and I’m, in my dream I’m just celebrating because I’m not going to have a scar, you know and I was so excited, and I’m awakened out of my dream, and quite honestly, I still felt ill. But I just had to make a choice, and I said, what is the nature of God? Would He give me this dream to tease me? I don’t think He would. And so I just began to declare, I’m healed, I’m healed, even though I was in pain. But every time I said I’m healed, strength came to my body, supernatural strength, and pretty soon I was stronger, stronger, stronger, and after ten days of being in the hospital and not eating for ten days and being in very poor condition, completely, I was completely healed that day.
SID: No surgery?
JENNIFER: No surgery, Jesus did my surgery.
SID: So what did the doctor’s say?
JENNIFER: So the doctor’s of course at first couldn’t believe me and they came running in, no way, you know, but they rushed me off for testing and I had multiple tests and every single test came back exactly the same. These are the same doctor’s that had tested me, but every test said this is medically undefined, we can’t explain it, this morning her organs weren’t functioning, now all of her organs are functioning one hundred percent, there is no poison in her body, she is completely healed, we have no explanation.
SID: If you didn’t know God, young lady, you wouldn’t be here right now. I bet your parents were pretty happy when you came back.
JENNIFER: They were. They were quite traumatized by the whole event. But actually it was good for my parents because they got to see the faithfulness of God and trust in Him as well.
SID: You know you work a lot with children, you have a real compassion for children; in fact you told me that God sealed compassion in your heart, very briefly tell me about it.
JENNIFER: When I was in the weeping room, had the encounter in the weeping room, I began to see just all that moves the heart of God, I began to feel his emotions for the first time, it is one thing to know in your head that he is compassionate, it’s another thing to actually feel his emotions, and I began to ask God to let me be a person who feels his emotions, and so I asked the Lord to brand compassion on my heart and I knew that that would cost me a lot, because compassion will drive you to lay your life down. But he did, in the vision he took a branding iron and he branded the word compassion on my heart and so my life has continued to be, my prayer has been that God would use me that I would be a vessel of compassion.
SID: Well let me tell you, these two CD’s that we are offering, one, The Weeping Room people will develop compassion, and this one that is called The Gospel of the Kingdom, Jennifer, when you actually taught this people had evenly visitations and people when they listen to this had heavenly visitations, but there is one thing that you said, of everything that you said that I wrote down, and it is so important, what does it mean to be a child, a totally dependant child, what’s happening to the children of the world, what’s happening to the adults that are believers that have forgot their first love, that forgot that God wants to be your daddy, what happens to those who have never experienced Father God as their Daddy, with me my father died, he’s in heaven, but the only father I have is my heavenly Father, my daddy, and I’ll tell you something, he is, how important is it to know that God the Father is your Daddy?
JENNIFER: It’s everything. And I just want to say too, for those that are watching no matter what you are going through, no matter what is happening in your life, he is faithful, he will prove himself to you as a faithful, loving Father. I can’t imagine going through my life without knowing the love of my Father, and he sees every act of injustice, he sees the wrongs that have been done, he sees the circumstances in your life, but he will prove himself to you to be faithful.
SID: Well, next move is yours. But God’s already made his move; he says, “I love you.” I mean do you realize can you comprehend this? The Creator of the universe reached down in the form of a man called Jesus to pa the price for your sins, to pay the price for your diseases, and I keep hearing that someone’s hip is being healed right now, pain of all kind is being healed right now, especially in the back, I tell you spines are being, I can hear it cracking, there is someone’s spine that is being healed right now. Who did that? Your Daddy, and I tell you that if you do not know Him, He wants you, there are no rejects, the only reject is if you reject him. He will not reject you. You say you’ve gone too far, hah, you don’t know what I went through, you don’t know what kind of life I lived, but I tell you that you have not gone too far if you are watching this television show, you have not. God himself had this orchestrated, God is real, God is love, but your sins have separated you from the greatest love, the love that you’ve been looking for your whole life, so what do you do, you repent your sins, you ask for his help to turn from them, and you make him Lord. And you start saying Daddy I need you. That’s called being a child, that’s what Jennifer is talking about, you must become like a little child. And that’s what I see in you Jennifer; you are like a little child.
21 May 10 Sid Roth welcomes Jennifer Toledo
SID: Hello, I’m here with Jennifer Toledo, and this young woman was involved in the most amazing supernatural surgery, before that happened, to almost prepare here, she had a vision in which she saw the compassion of Jesus, how he wept over children, he wept over injustices throughout the world. Jennifer, tell me what it means to be a child, what are the things that Jesus was weeping over? In planet earth today, what does it mean to be a child?
JENNIFER: You know when you hear that, sadly you would think normally to be a child is playful, fun, but today to be a child is very different. The world we are living in is so hostile towards children today, and it’s really the greatest area of injustice in the world is towards children. And if you kind of take a global perspective there are over six billion people on the earth right now, and over have of the earths population is under the age of fifteen. So over three billion of the earths’ population are children, and of those three billion, two billion live in dire poverty. So two out of three children live in dire poverty; that means
SID: People can’t comprehend those numbers though, you know that.
JENNIFER: Yeah, I mean it is just so massive, but if you just start to kind of break it down, I mean there is every area of issues of injustice that effect children, whether it is poverty, or disease, aids, war,
SID: Listen, I was listening to your CD on the weeping room and the things you were telling me about even war, tell me what they do with children as far as being soldiers.
JENNIFER: Well currently we are seeing a trend, I mean it has happened for years, where children are brought in to fight other peoples wars, and so young children are, you know, stolen from their cities, from their homes, they are drugged up, they are beaten, they are forced to commit horrible crimes and then
SID: Why?
JENNIFER: Because you know the warlords, the leaders are looking for soldiers and sometimes can’t find them so they have to come to children, and children are easy, they are easy, they’re easy to find.
SID: On this tape you were telling they numb, how do they numb their feelings?
JENNIFER: They numb the children, they will oftentimes force them to kill their own family members or they will do horrible things, I mean we have heard stories about making children watch just newborns be slaughtered and different things, just to numb them so that they can become their killing machine for them, it’s common. All other areas, even in wars if you think up until World War II – 90% of fatalities in war were soldiers, since World War II, we are now seeing 90% of all causalities of war are women and children. So things have really changed. And areas of children on the streets, there are over one hundred million children forced to live on the streets in our cities, and they experience every kind of exploitation, abuse, it leads to malnourishment, you’ve got seventeen million children, seventeen million children starving to death every year.
SID: What about aids, what impact is it having on children?
JENNIFER: Aids, you know we are seeing often, commonly in Africa we hear stories, but it is spreading all over, Asia is in bad condition as well, but with aids, we’ve got twenty million people living with aids, children are continually, on a weekly basis, having to bury family members, you’ve got millions of
SID: What about sexual exploitation?
JENNIFER: Sexual exploitation, there are ten million children Sid, involved in sex trade industry, ten million children, that’s prostitution, sex trade tourism,
SID: Tell me one child that you personally saw, what they were doing, and what they are today. Let’s take a real person.
JENNIFER: Oh my goodness, there are so many. We’ve seen, we’ve seen children totally,
SID: Take one.
JENNIFER: Okay, one child I can think of she was involved you know in horrible relationships in terms of her family, growing up she was mistreated, abused, she was sold sometimes to neighbors for the family to make money sexually, chained to walls, beat, I man just horrible, horrible environment, lived in great poverty with a single mom, and then you know parents, dad died of aids, mom died of aids, living with grandma, grandma can’t take care of her, grandma’s dying, and so the cycle just goes on and on, but this is everyday life for so many children.
SID: Was she rescued?
JENNIFER: Yes, actually she is one of the children in our children’s home.
SID: How is she today?
JENNIFER: She is doing great, she has come to know the Lord, God is just really healing her wounds, her heart.
SID: Okay, so you are in this weeping room, you are getting, I believe you picked up supernatural compassion in this weeping room, so you decide to go to Africa, you’ve got everything taken care of, how old were you?
JENNIFER: Twenty-one.
SID: Twenty-one, you’re on your way to Africa, you’re going there and you get there and you find out you don’t have any money, everything was cut off.
JENNIFER: Right. SID: You find out they discriminate against women, white women, and the village you are in have made a blood covenant with Satan?
JENNIFER: Well this was my first trip into Africa, I really didn’t know what I was getting into, I went in to one of the most difficult places in northern Kenya, called the Tricana, and all the environment was very hostile, it was just very difficult on every level, but the tribe I was working with was in blood covenant with Satan, and basically this had been happening for several generations, and they had to offer all these blood sacrifices to the devil to keep him appeased, and if not, horrible things would happen to them, their huts would set on fire, their family members would bleed from their nose until they died, I mean just horrible things, and so they lived in terrible fear and continued to pay homage to these demons because they didn’t know how to escape and their whole land was under the curse as well.
SID: So what in the world are you doing there, why did your parents say, if you were my daughter I’d say Jennifer come home.
JENNIFER: My parents did say that, no they blessed me to go, but it was really a set-up of the Lord, because had I known that you know prior to going, I obviously probably would not have gone, but
SID: I mean you put yourself in Jennifer’s place but a great miracle happened there, and wait until I tell you about that supernatural surgery, so don’t go away, we’ll be right back.
14 May 10 Sid Roth welcomes Jennifer Toledo
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Jennifer Toledo. It’s really almost hard for me to believe, but this young lady I’m about ready to interview, Jennifer Toledo, was in Africa, she was dying, there was no hope for her, nothing, they wanted to cut out some of her organs, she had this rare disease she picked up, and Jesus came into the hospital room, sliced her open, massaged each one of her organs putting life back in, closed her up, she woke up and, well we’ll get to that in a minute as to what happened, but I’ll tell you what, that’s my kind of surgery. Did you have to pay a lot for that surgery?
JENNIFER: It was free.
SID: But he paid a lot for it if you look at it the other way.
JENNIFER: That’s right.
SID: So listen, you’re like 7 years old, you’re like so many Americans, unfortunately too many Americans, your dad leaves home – you have no father. And you began praying, as a little child, what did you pray?
JENNIFER: Well, I remember the day that my dad left and I was just feeling very devastated and I was in my room crying and just asking the Lord who’s going to take care of me and who’s going to be my daddy and one of the times I remember most clearly hearing the Lords voice and he just spoke to me very sweetly and he just looked at me and he just said, “I’ll be your daddy.” And it was very simple but it was all my 7 year old little heart needed and from that day he just continued to prove himself as my father. SID: Now you mom is a single parent, household, didn’t have a lot of money, and you learned how God, your Daddy, answered prayer. Tell me a couple of things you saw happen as a child.
JENNIFER: Growing up, there are so many different times where we just literally had to trust him as a real actual physical father, and, simple things, like fathers provide food for their kids, and there would be times when we didn’t have food left in our house and we would just pray and say God you’re our dad, so dad’s feed their kids, we need food and very simply but with absolute faith, and we would go to school and come home from school and I remember walking home so many times and there would be bags and bags of groceries just left on our doorstep with all the best things. And this happened so often we would just celebrate and rejoice that God had miraculously provided, we never knew where the food came from, there was never a note, but these kinds of things happened all throughout my childhood.
SID: But you know one of the things that I have difficulty is as I look over my notes about you is, then when you are about 16 years of age, seeing God provide like few people have seen him provide, trusting him, he is your daddy, and yet the pull of the world was pulling you out and you were in a Taco Bell, and again you heard God’s voice, what did he say?
JENNIFER: Well at that time I was, I really loved God but yet was still very selfish, and I was sitting in Taco Bell with a group and just clearly, I just began to feel conviction of the Holy Spirit, and I just felt God tugging at my heart you could say, and very clearly he just said to me, you need to make a decision, you can’t keep living this way, you are either going to live for me or you are going to live for yourself, but you can’t do both. And that really struck me because I thought I could do both, and I really realized for the first time what it means to die to yourself and to begin a process of surrender and so from that day began a whole journey in my life of surrender
SID: Was if difficult giving up your friends?
JENNIFER: It was very difficult, I mean at 16 to give
SID: But wait, a few years later now, you’re about ready, you’ve fought, the love of your life, I can just picture it, Jen, the love of your life, and what did God say to you?
JENNIFER: God said that that wasn’t, he would bless me if I went through with that but it was not his highest for me and it would limit me from reaching all that he had for me at that season, so
SID: Did you doubt that that was God, because this is the love of your life, your hearts is going pitty-pat?
JENNIFER: It was very difficult to accept, but I knew it was the Lord and I had asked for confirmation and I had gotten it, so it was very hard, it was very hard to process, but I had peace in my heart and I knew it was the Lord and I never wanted to live a day knowing that I hadn’t walked in his fullness and his best, I never wanted to choose second best.
SID: Now I have two CD’s by you, I hear they are phenomenal; the one I’m holding up right now is “The Weeping Room.” This came from a vision, tell me about that?
JENNIFER: I had an encounter a few years ago, I was just praying, and just asking the Lord to show me his heart, and
SID: That’s a dangerous thing to do.
JENNIFER: That’s true, that true, no it’s a good thing. But truly in pursuit of friendship, wanting just to know what was precious to his heart, I began to have a vision, and in the vision God just takes me up to heaven, what looks like the Father’s house, it’s the only way that I can explain it, but it was just a house full of many rooms and each room had so many different things, but he took me into this room that was called the intimacy chamber, and from there he led me into another room called the weeping room and in that place he just began to share his heart with me about the poor, the broken, the children, and issues of injustice and that experience totally changed my life and the course of my life actually.
SID: When you were in this weeping room, what was Jesus doing?
JENNIFER: Well, you know when I first went into this weeping room, the Lord, I wanted to go in and the Lord said well you need to think about it because it is a lonely place, and I thought well why would there be a place like that in heaven, it just didn’t seem to make sense, but he said that’s where I spend most of my time, and I said well what’s the name of the room, and he said it’s the weeping room. And I really didn’t understand but as I went down I saw it was just very simple, very simple, humble room with a little wooden chair and a window, and the Lord just sat on the chair and he looked out the window. And in this window you could see every single cry coming from the earth at one time, every person crying out, every prayer, every act of injustice, you could see it all, and Jesus sat on the chair and he looked, and he watched it all, and he saw, he heard every single thing, and he just sat there and he took it in and I, in reality I just began to weep, and I just began to just cry, and just, I was so overwhelmed because God is so beautiful who would choose to see the pain and the suffering and care and listen to it all.
SID: Some of you are saying that oh, that was just a reaction to pizza but let me tell you it wasn’t because I can confirm it in the word of God, it says through his spokesman the Prophet Isaiah, speaking of the Jewish people, “In all their affliction, in all their affliction, I was afflicted.” Can you imagine the Creator of the universe saying, in their affliction; that means in your affliction; he was afflicted. Don’t go away, I want to hear about this supernatural surgery and I want to see about this supernatural compassion, we’ll be right back.
07 May 10 Sid Roth welcomes Darren Wilson
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Darren Wilson. Darren is commissioned by God to film love. His big question is, how do you film love. So he goes to a witchcraft, occult festival in of all places Salem, Massachusetts, as he says, to pick a fight. Hidden cameras and be able to photograph this and the confrontation. And all day long nothing is going on. So he says, “What have I got to lose? I’m just gonna put my cameras in the open.” He’s with evangelists with Sons of Wonders, and he starts taping a witch in a red hood. What happened?
DARREN: Well we start to pray for this guy and everything, what was happening at that point is everybody that Jason was praying for when we’re in the middle of this festival, afterwards, they’re all coming to my crew and they’re saying, “That guy is better than any psychic we’ve ever gone to in our entire life.” Like he knew stuff about us nobody knows. And so he starts in on this witch, and I’m thinking, literally as I’m filming, I’m thinking, finally, here we go.
SID: Confirmation.
DARREN: This is what I’ve been waiting for. This guy is obviously into the occult. And so Jason starts to pray and every single thing out of his mouth is a word of love. Everything that he’s saying is like, “I know this about you and I know this about you. And I know that love this. I’m gonna bless this.” And everything that’s coming out of his mouth for like 15 minutes are words of love. And the guy is just staring at him. And I’m staring at the witch and I’m filming. And as I’m filming I always know when something is gonna be in the movie when the Lord speaks to me while I’m filming. And the Lord spoke to me so clearly and He said, “Do you see? I did not come here to pick a fight. I came here to love.” And when I understood that I understood it changed the whole film because that’s when I realized what I was trying to do, which is have a showdown, that’s not what the Lord wants at all, and I don’t think He wants it for anybody. He doesn’t want to fight with you. He just wants to love you.
SID: And the thing that was overpowering is when the witch took off his hood.
DARREN: Yeah. Jason said, “I want to pray for you now,” like an actual prayer kind of blessing. And he said, “Hold on. Let me uncover my head,” for them was a sign of respect. And that was one of the powerful things I think I’ve ever filmed.
SID: I’ll tell you something else. I mean, the whole film was powerful, but something else that was amazing to me is Darren went with a friend of mine, Jeff Jansen, out to where in Africa?
DARREN: In Tanzania.
SID: In Tanzania. And he sees a little tent behind the main tent. And what did you think that tent was for?
DARREN: We were filming a big crusade that Jeff was putting on, and I was there to kind of helping him out. And I saw this little white tent and I thought it was for the hearing impaired. That’s what I thought. And it was not for the hearing impaired.
SID: What was it for?
DARREN: I found out when the crusade started and they started carrying all these people who were manifesting the demonic, they started carrying them into this tent.
SID: That’s the deliverance.
DARREN: The deliverance tent. And so I remember standing outside of the tent with my camera thinking, am I seriously gonna do this? Do I really go into this place? And I dove right in.
SID: Previous to that you had a vision that you didn’t understand. Tell me about that.
DARREN: Three days before I left for Tanzania I was waking up one morning and I wasn’t quite asleep, wasn’t quite awake, that kind of been in between. And I saw this picture, vision, whatever you want to call it. I saw very clearly of this woman on the floor kind of screaming and shouting. And then I kind of like woke up. And I remember when I went into the tent I was filming some things, and at one point I looked down and I saw that woman that I had seen in my dream three days ago. And so I knew, I’m like, I dreamed about this woman. So literally I knew exactly where to put the camera, exactly how close of a zoom to get because I had seen it all before. And so actually, that’s one of the first things you see in the movie, is this vision that I had three days before. At first I thought, is this how God is gonna have me do the whole movie, He’s gonna show me what to film? But that was the only time that ever happened, but it was pretty cool.
SID: You know, there’s another thing that really, I saw this film and there’s another thing. I constantly think about this. He went to Thailand. I heard about Thailand. There’s actually cities that are built around the industry of sex.
DARREN: Yes. One that we went to in particular is called Pattaya City. And 40 years ago it was a little tiny fishing village, and Vietnam hit and it became the major stop off for all the American soldiers. So the whole city is built around prostitution.
SID: And there was a woman that represents the Messiah there that’s there to love all of these people caught up in the sex trade. And she was talking to a man, and the man said, “Well look at it this way. The girls are better off than working in the rice fields, working in the bars and being prostitutes.” And what did she say?
DARREN: Well she says, “Well do you want to know what they tell me?” Because she goes into these bars and tries to get these women out. And she says, “Do you want to know what they tell me? They tell me that it would be better if they died today and went to Hell than if they continue doing what they’re doing. But they have no way to escape.” Because it’s different for the man because the man is paying them to tell them how wonderful they are and how much they enjoy this. But in reality, they’d rather be in Hell. That’s how bad it is.
SID: What affect did going to this area, this city that’s built around the sex industry have on you?
DARREN: Well it’s hard to quantify like this spot affecting you more than your spot. It’s just kind of the whole process of making it was just, for one, it was eye opening. But two, I didn’t realize how dark the world really is. I didn’t realize how much it permeates and how powerful it is. But at the same time, I had no idea how much more powerful God’s love is and how it can literally obliterate any darkness.
SID: But you really took on quite an activity when he interviewed a woman that was bred from birth to be a bride of Satan. I know that’s hard to believe. But when I saw her speaking I knew she was speaking truth, I mean, some of the things that she did before she became a believer. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.
30 Apr 10 Sid Roth here with Jim Rutz
SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Jim Rutz, and have you noticed there is a change going on in Christianity? The great Christian pollster, George Barna, you are reading some of his literature; he said there is a real change going on, why don’t you tell me?
JIM: Well everybody is used to coming and sitting in a pew, or sitting in rows of chairs, and having a building with a steeple on it and so forth, pastor, programs, you know all that, and that’s so.
SID: I have to tell you there was a point when I first became a believer that if I wasn’t in a congregation at least three nights a week I would feel like, something’s wrong with me.
JIM: Yes, that’s the psychology that pertains… “It takes three to five” is the phrase that pastor’s use to get people coming three times a week and you’ve got them. Well that sort of style, good, bad, medium indifferent, is shrinking, is part of the whole, and twenty years from now you are going to see that the entire church is maybe one third of the whole, the traditional church becomes one third of the whole because the other two thirds is going to be a relational church where you and I are talking with each other and a dozen other people in a living room, and we are communicating and God is there changing lives.
SID: But you know what, while this shift is occurring, there is a problem, Jim, and the problem is, according to a Christian magazine, Charisma, and many other sources,
there is a big dropout from the traditional church, that people are feeling it is irrelevant and there is a void, they want to do something but they don’t know what to do.
JIM: Well we have seen dropouts before, this one is different, people are not backsliding, they are not leaving the church because they have lost God, they are leaving the church because they are not finding God there anymore as much as they want to, and they are wanting more, and so they are dropping out looking for something, a lot of them are looking for house churches, campus church, office church, Starbucks church, wherever it is that we are going to be meeting.
SID: And this is the premise of your book, MegaShift, which I love the sub-title, the best news since year one, what is the best news since year one?
JIM: The best news since year one is a number of different things, one of the things I have in there is that the world is rapidly becoming Christian, in fact at the rate we are going now, I mean you can’t take a straight line projection seriously, but if we just kept going, expanding the way we are now, everyone in the world would be a Christian by 2032.
SID: Is it going to happen?
JIM: I wouldn’t put a whole lot of money on that but I just wanted,
SID: But it doesn’t seem to be happening in the United States.
JIM: That’s the problem, that’s why I’m sitting here on your TV program, because it is happening in places like China, it’s happening in India, now it’s starting to happen
in Pakistan and Bangladesh, hard core Muslim countries, countries that have never been known for being Christian, and they are turning to Christ in mass. I know a lot of your listeners are starting to think this, Sid has found a crazy, let me just quote you some examples.
SID: Please.
JIM: The whole last century, 1900 to 2000, it started with about a million Christians in Africa, about two million in Africa, grew to two hundred million in the course of a
hundred years, Latin America started with about one million Christians, and it grew to one hundred and seventy million Christians, China started with probably fewer than
a million Christians, about 1950 when things opened up, and now a count is about one hundred fifteen, one hundred twenty million born again Christians in China, and so the
growth is from about four million in one century to about four hundred ninety million and that is pretty remarkable.
SID: Why is it not going on in the United States?
JIM: Well, a lot of what happens overseas is that the miraculous power of God to heal and change lives, even to resurrect people, we, I have counted 52 countries in my book where we have had resurrections in the last fifteen or twenty years.
SID: Yet you know what, that is wonderful, but that is normal, I have been investigating miracles for almost thirty years, but I have here in this book the best documentation and pictures of miracles happening worldwide and although I thought I had seen everything,
tell me about that girl that was born with two heads, four eyes, one head on top of the other, four eyes of which I think only one had an eyeball, tell me about her.
JIM: Her name is Esther; she is from the village of Sucrapath, which is in eastern Majabadedsh which is the middle of nowhere in India, out in the jungles actually, and
on September 1, 1999, she was born in the evening, and her parents were horrified of course, they just couldn’t imagine, they were going to put her in a clay pot and throw
her out in the jungle for animals to eat, but then they thought, now we have just become Christians, we probably shouldn’t do that, what will we do? Well, let’s pray. So they brought in five or six Christian friends, that’s about all they had in that village at that time, and they started praying. Thank goodness there was no Westerners there to say,
“Look, look, God does certain things but He doesn’t do other things, you are just going to have to adjust to this.”
SID: You know I think someone could have more faith to pray for someone dead to come
back to life than that particular situation.
JIM: Really, really, I was stunned by it just like you, I started begging my friends to get a camera to the team, and it took them six months to get a camera back in the jungle, but they finally did, anyway, they prayed all night over this horrible looking little thing and now if you look in the book you see this cute little girl, a picture of her, and the two heads became one, and the one real eye stayed there and the other eye got, just normal, and so by the next morning, she had two eyes, perfect eyes, the only thing you can see if you look real carefully at the picture in the book, her easy are still a lot bigger than a little
tiny child’s easy which is usually pretty small, and that’s because the ears originally matched two heads instead of one, other than that, perfect. And here is the bigger thing though, I mean I was surprised when I heard the miracle, but then a prophet in Switzerland named Eric Rabber, got hold of that and God spoke to him strongly and said, “this is not an ordinary miracle, this is a message from God because God is saying that for to long the church has been a two headed monster, men have set themselves up as the head of the church, Jesus wants to be the head, men have said no, we’ll be the church so the church has been a two headed monster and the world looks at us and said, “Hey, that’s church planting, we know that we have our armies run that way, we have our corporations, our governments, the guy at the top gives the orders and everybody else follows the orders, I see that in the church, so where is your God?” So now God is wanting to make a perfect church, a church body, with one new man, everything under the headship of Christ.
SID: Well, most churches would say it’s under the headship of Messiah, however there is the one placed in charge, what is the difference?
JIM: Well the difference is that over the course of the first couple of centuries you had a shift in the church from being the house to house church we read in the Book of Acts, to being a pure middle, top down organizational structure with a command and control center.
SID: It’s almost like multi-level, I’ll tell you what; don’t go away, this is really getting hot, be right back.
23 Apr 10 Sid Roth welcomes Bob Larson
SID: What’s wrong with that, I know what’s wrong, but in other words, what is wrong with Star Wars and all of these movies, I mean it’s almost a cult group, they collect everything, I mean its good versus evil, give me a break.
BOB: It’s not, it’s not, it’s not good versus evil. The Bible tells us in Romans to overcome evil with good, but what is the definition of good? In Star Wars, and in occultism, such as Daoism, good is merely the flip side of evil. Much of this stuff comes out of the teaching that good and evil are harmonizing opposites that must live in equilibrium. The Bible says Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil; we are to eradicate evil not figure out how to live with it, so in Star Wars the power that is used by Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader is the same power, it just depends on who is using it, it is all in the mind. It is not in the mind, it is in the moral prerequisites set down by God. Not, you don’t choose what is good and evil, God tells you in the Bible what is good and evil. What is wrong with someone sending their children to the Star Wars movies; let’s take their most recent movie, what is wrong with that?
BOB: I’ll give you a good illustration, my wife went into a Christian Bookstore the other day, and it’s really one of these high-tech upscale Christian bookstores, and they got this big flat paneled TV there, and they are constantly showing DVD’s, they are showing Star Wars. My wife went ballistic, I guess a little of me has rubbed off on her, she went to the counter, to the clerk and said why are you showing Star Wars and you know what, clueless, absolutely clueless, here’s the danger, the kids sitting there watching that are going to loose the power of spiritual discernment and then when they are faced later with something like Silva mind control or whatever, they are not going to be discerning enough to know this is dangerous because gradually their spiritual sensitivity has been eroded over time.
SID: Okay, the producer-director of Star Wars, what’s his agenda?
BOB: George Lucas is an avowed Buddhist; he was a disciple of Joseph Campbell, the man who wrote so much about mythology and who is the founder, the philosophical founder of the new age movement in America, he brought Joseph Campbell out to his ranch, sat down with him and had Campbell school him in Buddhism, and so he deliberately projected this into the storyline of the film, you see it over and over and over again.
SID: Does he have an agenda?
BOB: He has an absolute agenda, and his agenda, look, he has made statements such as this: “There is no difference between the virgin birth of Jesus Christ and the myths of pagan gods coming down and having sex with human women to produce offspring, it’s all the same.” And that is blasphemy; this guy is truly out to lunch.
SID: Okay, switch gears, in Los Angeles there is a professional basketball team and the coach, who is one of the most famous coaches of all time, is involved in Zen. And it is kind of an “in” thing to be involved in, what’s wrong with Zen?
BOB: Well I mean Phil Jackson has got issues in his own life, he is not willing to resolve, and what Zen is for him and millions of people is a mindless escapist way of avoiding dealing with your issues and the issues of a fallen suffering world. It is a form of detachment. Now what it does in the sports world, it allows people to become so detached from everything that they can find a calm center and perform better. And from that standpoint it looks good
SID: It’s good; that is good.
BOB: From that standpoint it looks good. But there is a spiritual price because you are adopting a world view that causes you to also become detached from any moral realities that you might be a sinful creature in need of a holy God.
SID: Have you prayed for people that have been involved in something like Zen just to relax, etc, to lower their blood pressure that needed deliverance?
BOB: Oh, many, many times, and here’s what happens. Most meditative disciplines like Zen teach you that the mind is the enemy of the spirit so to release the spirit you have to still, shut down, or as they say, kill the mind. But in killing the mind what you do is that you become completely vulnerable, there are no spiritual defenses, in other words the resistance against evil is a choice of the soul
SID: So you are opening yourself up to the Zen mind?
BOB: Yeah, what you do is you put the choice in neutral, it in not operational anymore, and so any inherent, by God’s grace defenses against demonic forces are just not there, they are shut down.
SID: Have you been involved in deliverance with people that have been involved in things such as Zen?
BOB: Yes, yes I have, many people. I can’t think of a specific instance but I have done a lot of exorcisms of people in Zen and various forms of meditation.
SID: White witchcraft, we know that witchcraft is evil, white witches use their power for good, what’s wrong with that?
BOB: Well the Bible teaches, and you talked about it earlier, Deuteronomy eighteen, that all that comes from the devil is evil, it only masquerades to appear to be good, but in all of these cases the definition of good and evil is not contingent upon an external revelatory source, its all what you decide is good and evil, so it’s the witch who decides if he or she is doing good or evil. And I remember a classic story one time, I was on Larry King debating a witch and the witch kept saying well I only do white magic, and I just kept pushing, then he starts telling this story about you know, getting ticked off at a taxi driver on the way over to the studio and putting a spell on him that he would be in an accident. I said whoa, wait a minute, I thought you only did good magic; he said well that was for the benefit of that guy to wake him up. All right, I think we, history has shown us, Hitler thought he was doing the world a service, he thought he was doing a good thing. Mental maniacs operate from an internal moral compass that is corrupted and witchcraft knows that, and so you can say what you are doing is good for the benefit of the world but it might be a horrible evil.
SID: Okay, go ahead.
BOB: So what you define as a witch, as white for your benefit, might be to somebody else’s detriment, that’s why the Bible teaches us, we leave all judgments in the hands of God and seek only to obey Him.
SID: Okay in your book you have researched so many different religions, cults and occults, one that was to you one of the most amazing in the entire book and there is hundreds of them.
BOB: The forms of Satanism that taps back into ancient Egyptian black magic believe they have power to recreate Satan in our age, this is very diabolical stuff and it is extremely dangerous and more pervasive than people would realize: the actual Luciferism.
SID: But why is this flooding society at this moment more than ever before in history?
BOB: Because (a) the church is playing games, it is not directly willing to confront this stuff. I had a church recently who said they were going to go into a new church growth campaign, their slogan would be, “We serve Starbucks inside.”
SID: Tell you what, I don’t know about you but I believe we are so close to the return of the Messiah, this world is about ready to destruct, and I don’t want anything separating me from God, but how am I going to know truth, Jesus said, My word is truth. You may say your kingdom is within, but in a kingdom you need a king. Who is your king, who is your king? If it is not Jesus it is that other one, the dark side. Read the book, Deuteronomy eighteen lists all the things that Bob Larson is talking about, in the days of Moses people would have been stoned to death, you know what happens today? Spiritual adultery, separation from God forever, and as the song goes, “Forever is a Long Time.” I have walked with Jesus as a Jewish man for over thirty years and I tell you the peace that I have inside of me, the purpose, the destiny, have you ever had the song go off inside of you, there must be something more? There is, intimacy with God, no other name but Jesus gets you to God, that’s God’s way, try it, you’ll like it.
