Our Guest Dodie Osteen

SID: Dodie, your husband was Southern Baptist. You didn’t believe in healing and then a tragedy hit your family. Your baby daughter Lisa had, in birth, a problem that resulted in a condition much like the polio that you had. So if you don’t have any paradigm for healing, what did you do about it?

DODIE: Well that’s just about the time that John decided that he was going to receive God, that he knew that Jesus went about doing miracles and healings, not just when he was here on Earth. So he took a train to a meeting where he was going to preach in Atlanta or some place and so he would have time to seek God. And he came back, and he told me, he said, “Dodie, I know that things are different than what we’ve believed. But at that time I didn’t know a thing in the world about healing and he didn’t either because he wasn’t taught it in seminary. So he just said, that was just a little while before Lisa was born. And so when we got this news he said, “We’re just going to pray for her and believe that God will heal her.” I didn’t know what I was doing, but he said, “I’m going to pray a prayer then I want you and Paul,” we had two children at that time, “I want you to just look at her and say thank you Jesus for healing her.” So that’s what we did. I didn’t know what I was doing, but I said, “Thank you Jesus for healing her.”

SID: And what happened to this horrible condition she had?

DODIE: Well she was so listless and all. She couldn’t move. She couldn’t take a bottle. It took 45 minutes to get a half an ounce down her. And so she began to improve. She began to be able to have more strength and then she began to sit alone. And the doctor had told her she may be in a wheelchair. But then she started improving and the doctor said this is a real miracle. So now Lisa is a grown woman with three children, two of them in college.

SID: I’m glad that you and John prayed for her.

DODIE: I’m so glad. Listen, we wouldn’t have had a little healed girl preaching the Gospel now if we hadn’t known about healing.

SID: You did something right at home, you and John. All of your children are in ministry.

DODIE: I know. I’m so proud of them. You don’t know how proud I am of them.

SID: You go to the hospital for a day and you end up staying there 20 days. But then John is told you only have a few weeks to live.

DODIE: A few weeks to live.

SID: What did he say when he heard that?

DODIE: You can’t believe, I mean, the feeling, it was right at Christmas time. It was December the 10th that I got that news after they had done every test under the sun. I was supposed to just stay three or four days, but they couldn’t find out what it was. They thought at first it was an abscess, a liver abscess. But then a tumor the size of an orange and two small ones like almonds. So John just said to her, “Well Doctor, we’re going to believe for a miracle.” The doctor said, “You’re going to have to have a miracle, Pastor.” So we went home that day on the 5:00 train.

SID: Did they just release you?

DODIE: They released me. John said, “I don’t want to keep her here anymore. I want to take her home and pray over it and get the church to pray over her.” And so we did in the 5:00 traffic. I so I looked terrible. I was jaundice. My skin was wrinkled, and of course now it’s from age, the wrinkles. And my skin was jaundice. My eyes were jaundice. And we went home and I didn’t go to bed because I thought I don’t want to look like I’m sick. I just will stay up, my mother and dad were there, until bedtime. And so the next morning we woke up. We laid at the foot of our bed and John prayed a prayer and commanded the cancer to leave me. Like Jesus commanded the fig tree to wither and die, he said “Cancer, you leave my wife. Don’t you ever come back again, in Jesus’ name.” These words stuck with  me, Sid. “I need her, Jesus. The church needs her. The children need her. Her mother and daddy need her, and you need her, Jesus.” I never will forget that. As far as I was concerned, on December 11th, I believe I received healing of cancer.

SID: But wait, you weren’t healed.

DODIE: I wasn’t healed.

SID: This went on for several years. So why did you believe it started at that moment?

DODIE: I had to have a starting point otherwise I would have lost it.

SID: Did you believe that you were healed?

DODIE: I believed when my husband prayed he had commanded power. I had faith in John Osteen. I had faith in God and his belief in God.

SID: She learned how to stand on the Word of God, but it was beyond that. You literally did that.

DODIE: I did. I got my little Bible and I stood on it. My feet aren’t very big because of polio, so they fit on my little Bible. And I said, “Jesus, I’m standing on your Word. I don’t know anything else to do.” I stood on the Word of God and I have been ever since.

SID: Now God spoke to you because you knew, she knew Oral Roberts, T.L. Osborn, all the great healing evangelists, and John Osteen her husband, and they all could pray for her.

DODIE: They did.

SID: But then God said to you, tell me what God said.

DODIE: God spoke to me one night and he said, “You’ve had Brother Roberts pray, you had Brother Osborn pray, Brother Hagin,” he said, “but it’s up to you and me. It’s between you and me.” So I realized I’d better get with it.

SID: Tell me some of the things you did. Tell me about the pictures.

DODIE: I put pictures up of me, of John and I at our wedding and then I put a picture up of me when I was 38, I think.

SID: Why did you do that?

DODIE: Just to remind me of how I was healthy and strong, and that I would be that way again someday.

SID: And you know something else that impressed me?

DODIE: What?

SID: You refused to talk about the suffering, the pain, that you’re feeling sick and tired. Why would you do that?

DODIE: Because I didn’t want to bring, we’re snared with the words of our mouth and I didn’t want to be snared. I wanted Jesus to hear good things coming out. So when the children would say, “Mother, how are you today,” I would say, “I’m blessed. I’m so blessed.” And we lived where we had a long driveway out in Humble at that time, and I would take mail out or checked on the mail, bring it back, and I would say, “I trust Jesus to heal me,” all the way up to the mailbox. I just did it. Now I still, when I see a cemetery, “No, devil, you will not take me. You’ve [?] to steal!” I said it loud, too. There’s people with me. I don’t care. Just let them know I’m a fanatic. I’m alive.

SID: Now you’re a fanatic.

DODIE: I’m a fanatic.

SID: About saying God’s Word out loud, meditating.

DODIE: Where would I be, Sid?

SID: Tell me if you hadn’t learned to meditate on God’s promises, do you think you’d be sitting here right now?

DODIE: No I don’t. If I hadn’t stored up the Word of God in my heart, those years that we had been married, I married when we were 22. I was 48 then. If I hadn’t stirred up the Word of God, if John hadn’t learned about the healing that did and I hadn’t stirred, he used to tell us, “Stir the Word of God in your heart for use when needed. You may not need it now, but someday you will.”

SID: Tell me a few scriptures. I want you, what you say when you’re by yourself, out loud with the same attitude. I’d like you to do that.

DODIE: Okay. I will not die, but I’ll live and declare the works of the Lord. He sent his Word and healed them, and saved them from their destruction. I will restore health unto you and heal you of your wounds. Every day I read all these, Sid. I have in my little iPad I read them every day of the week. I have not missed a day reading them. I don’t leave the house without reading them.

SID: But you, I’m sure had many bouts with fear.

DODIE: I did. In the middle of the night I would wake up and I was just thinking and when John was asleep right there by me, I’m thinking the devil would say, “You’re not really healed. You think you are, but you’re not.” And I would say, “No devil, you will not tempt me with that. You will not keep harassing me with those words. I shall not die, but I shall live and declare the works of the Lord.” And the devil would say, “You’ll wear that pink dress to your funeral. I’ll see to it.”

SID: And what would you do when he’d say that?

DODIE: And I’d say no. I’d replace that with a good thought, with the Word of God. I’d just replace his word with the Word of God.

SID: Okay. It was a process.

DODIE: It was a process.

SID: And she did get healed. In fact, I’ve read some doctors’ reports outside of one of her books and she really did. And if God will do that for Dodie, it’s not just healing. The promises of God, standing on the Word of God, the faith to stand on the Word of God, this woman lived it. However, I have her here for a purpose and that is she has a gift of the Spirit that we’re going to talk about. It’s a gift that is the most important gift on the planet, and I want her to pray for you to have that impartation when we come back. Don’t go away.


Our Guest Perry Stone


SID: Perry, tell me about the earliest stages of creating the heavens and the earth.

PERRY: Okay. In the beginning of time, and I’m going to, let me just read this verse because this is our foundational verse. God says to this person, “You have been in Eden, the Garden of God. Every precious stone was your covering. The sardius topaz, diamond barrel onyx, jasper sapphire, emerald, carbuncle and gold, the workmanship of your tabrets and pipes was prepared in the day that thou was created. Thou are the anointed cherub that covereth.” And he says this, “I have set thee so upon the Holy Mountain of God and you’ve walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. You were perfect in your ways until inequity was found in you and then the heart was lifted up because of thy beauty.” Now there’s a couple things here. Number one, it mentions the Mountain of God. This is not Jerusalem. This is the heavenly mountain where God dwells. Number two, it mentions Eden. Now people assume this is the Garden of Eden. This is not the Garden of Eden. There is a heavenly paradise or a heavenly Eden just like there was an earthly Eden. All right. Number three, now this is the part that puzzled me for years. This is where it starts making sense. “You are the anointed cherub.” This is a cherub that’s anointed. No other angel is called anointed by this angel right here. The thing that really got me was, “You have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.” So let me tell you how this happened. So I’m with a guy in Texas, a pastor in Texas who works with gemstones, and he says to me, he says this, “You know every gemstone is formed in fire.” Whoa, whoa, whoa.

SID: Mountain of fire, stones of fire.

PERRY: Thank you. Then I go to this Jewish translation of the Bible, and I apologize for not giving you which one it is, because there’s many translations, and it says, “You walked up and down in the gemstones of fire.” I go, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now then I’m thinking, okay, this is Satan. This is a picture. Most scholars will agree this is Satan. Pipes, he was a worship leader because pipes were created in the same, but it’s got nine stones. Now here’s what’s odd. These same stones are the same nine that are also part of the 12 stones on the breastplate of the priest in Exodus. These nine stones are also, Sid, and this is where the triggering came, this is where it starts clicking, nine of the 12 stones in the city New Jerusalem.

SID: So when you have 12 stones on the breastplate.

PERRY: That’s right.

SID: When we have, in New Jerusalem there’s 12 stones. So come Satan only had nine?

PERRY: That’s what got me asking this. All right. Then I realized this. Every precious stone is your covering. Now I used to think he had a breastplate with nine stones. That’s how I took this, because I’m thinking, okay, this is similar. Wait a minute, but it doesn’t say anything. It just says it was your covering. And I’m thinking that word in Hebrew, “cover”, what’s it mean? Okay, watch this. It means there were gemstones on fingers, gemstones on his arm, gemstones on his, but wait a minute, he’s only got nine. Why nine? You ready? Because Satan was the one, this angel was walking up and down in the midst of the stones of fire preparing the stones for the holy city New Jerusalem. Watch this. Every time a floor, first floor, second floor is completed, God allows him to be covered by that gemstone. But do you know what stones are missing from him?

SID: No.

PERRY: You ready? The last three stories of the New Jerusalem. I hear them go “oh” in the audience. They’re getting it. He fell from Heaven and was cast out between the ninth and tenth story being completed. He completed the ninth, but he never, now why? Because he was lifted up because of his beauty.

SID: This show is a little different because we previously got our people from Facebook to write in questions that they had. They came up with some great questions. Why don’t you give us a question.

Audience member: The first question is what will we remember in Heaven?

PERRY: Now the Bible says this, it says, “The former things will not be remembered and will come into remembrance,” which presents problems. Does that mean that all of our loved ones that are in Heaven we don’t remember? The answer is we know our loved ones in Heaven because Paul said, “We’ll be known even as we were known.” I’ll know that’s mom, I’ll know that’s dad, my brother and sister. Now the reason the former things will not be remembered is because if people we knew did not make it, how would Heaven be delightful? If you have children that didn’t make it. So I don’t know how God does this, but if God, this is what he told me, he said, “Son, if I’m able to look at a person and they ask me for forgiveness of sins and I can erase their sins and never bring them up or remember them, I can do the same thing with people’s past.” So in other words, there will come a point, because it says, “No more tears will come in your eyes.” At some point everything about anything negative, anything that happened in your life bad and the people who didn’t make it will not be remembered.

SID: You had another question.

Audience member: It’s actually a long question, a very good question. You talked about the link between Satan being cast out of Heaven during the construction of the Heavenly Jerusalem. Why would this cause such hatred for Israel and Jerusalem today?

PERRY: I’m going to compare it to a [unintelligible], like a story.

SID: It has to be a short answer.

PERRY: Okay. If I worked for a major corporation and I was the CEO over the whole thing and they booted me out because of something I did wrong, if I didn’t take the right attitude I could cause a rebellion in the company and I would hate that company the rest of my life. His hatred for Jerusalem is a continual reminder of his failure.

SID: When we come back I want to find out what happens in this New Jerusalem, what our job is going to be. What happens when we’re in Heaven? What is our job? Are we going to work? Are we going to go to school? What are we going to do? Don’t go away. Be right back.

Our Guest Shawn Bolz


SID: Now I think you would like to see Heaven. Would you? Would you like to see Heaven? Would I like to see Heaven? Tell me about what goes on when you pray for people to see Heaven.

SHAWN: You know, I feel like we have an everlasting life and we’re supposed to be as in touch with that everlasting part as we’re in touch with this side of eternity. And when you read about the reports of Heaven throughout history, people got in touch with the beauty. It’s not a thousand-year boring prayer meeting in Heaven right now. What goes on around Jesus is the most beautiful expression of fun, adventure and connection you’ve ever had. And so I started to explore that and eventually I thought I was just doing it theologically, but eventually I started to sense that. Some of us sense it and worship like you’re in a heightened state of spiritual awareness and you’re actually a part of the heavenly scenario. But there’s times that I’ve pray for people and they literally had a deposit. They’ve seen into Heaven and they brought something back, a revelation, a truth, something about a resource that they were going to get a prophetic word for their life that they got from God. And when you get it from God yourself it’s hard not to believe it, especially when you have an encounter with God. We’ve even had people come back and they actually brought body parts back. They’ve seen what’s available in the Father’s heart. They brought body parts back. It’s been a while since that’s happened, but we had a woman get a liver back. Her husband prayed for her, she needed a liver, she needed a liver transplant. He prayed for her and a brand new—

SID: You realize there are people watching us right now and they’re saying, eww! What do you say to that person?

SHAWN: I just say if we pray for you right now and you receive it and it happens to you, you won’t say impossible again.

SID: I am so glad you wrote your book and you have those, we put together your three-CD set. But I know that there is going to be repercussions. There are people that will never be able to get your book throughout all the former Soviet Union. I mean, I’m amazed at how God has spread It’s Supernatural. But I know if you pray for people they’re never going to be the same.

SHAWN: Absolutely.

SID: I want you to start out by praying for us to have the heart of love, not the heart of professionalism or the heart of religion, but the heart of the Father’s love and be sure to pray that we can see Heaven, too. I gave you a big assignment to hear God’s voice. Let’s see, I have another laundry list.

SHAWN: Let me pray. I just pray for you now that God would demystify the way you thought hearing his voice was that it would feel more organic like a family member who’s talking to you, who is loving you, that you would all of a sudden notice and become aware. I pray an impartation of spiritual awareness, of spiritual understanding for your own relationship with God and as you grow in that depth of authority, as you begin to see where he’s speaking. I pray that you would take great risk based on what he’s saying. I pray that you would become so in tune with who God is around you, where he is around you that Jesus would be so made manifest to you. I impart every supernatural spiritual gift I have that’s transferable right now over the television, to everyone in the studio audience. I pray for deep impartation and I pray that you would see where Jesus is. This is Heaven. He’s in Jesus right now. The Throne of God is there, all the angels around him. There’s no reason why we can’t be in touch with it because that is our everlasting. We’ll be with Jesus forever, so I pray that you would right now somehow, Ephesians 3:2 says, “We are seated in heavenly places.” I pray somehow you would feel part of you is tied to the everlasting eternal scenario right now that you would see yourself, you would see God there that you would have revelatory visions and revelatory experiences that you never dreamed possible. I pray that God would expand your imagination but then take you past your imagination that he would give you a love that would cause you to continue to hear his voice to the nations. It’s so easy to focus on what he’s not doing. I pray that you would see what he is doing right now. It’s so easy to see what you’re not. I pray that you would see through the eyes of love from the Father who you are to him and I pray you would have a revelatory encounter with that love right now in the name of Jesus.

SID: You told me last night over dinner, and this was, you think your mind is blown now, wait until you hear this. You went to a school, a place that formerly was a school of Spiritism. Explain. Tell me that.

SHAWN: One of the owners of the Hollywood Club called me up and said, “Can you come over and pray. We’ve had a [unintelligible]. We’ve had the white witch of Studio City, Hollywood, come and no one has been able to clear out the demons. This used to be the Paranormal School of Supernatural Activity for Hollywood. It was actually a school. For like over a decade it was a school in Hollywood where they teach people how to do Spiritism.

SID: And they could get rid of these key spirits. [unintelligible]

SHAWN: So all the nannies were like quitting the four owners. They were quitting, only one of the owners was saved as a brand new Christian. The other three owners weren’t saved. One was Catholic, but he was just coming to full belief for Jesus. The other two weren’t saved at all. One of them was the new age captain of the group who kept bringing everybody and paying a lot of money to get this place cleared and it wasn’t working. Over months they were losing all their employees. So I went ahead and everything was slowed down, the construction and everything. So I went in with a group. They were all Asian. So I went in with a group of Asian intercessors who I love. I love this group. And we went in there together and I said, “Okay guys,” I had the owner sit down with me and I said, “We’re going to do something.” And I heard the Holy Spirit say, “ If they will give me the ownership I’ll drive out every spirit.” And I had a little strategy. I could never have done this on my own strength. I was like, I don’t know that this can’t be redeemed. [unintelligible] I don’t know. I don’t know what we’re going to do about the situation, but I heard God and I said to everybody, “Okay, I want you to close your eyes and repeat after me.” I said, “Okay.” I said, “This is going to be really hard.” Because they had been through all this ritual assignments with all the witchcraft and stuff. And I said, “Say this after me: Holy Ghost!” And they said, “Holy Ghost!” And I said, “Be the only ghost here! Amen.” And one of them looked up at me and he goes, “No. No.” And I said, “Okay, is God a spirit?” And they said yes. And I said, “If you ask God to be here can anything else be as powerful as God?” And they all said no. I said, “Okay, let’s see what happens. I’m going to leave. Let’s see what happens.” So I went back five weeks later and I asked them, “You guys, how is your lives? What’s going on?” And one of the guys said, “Nothing is wrong. There’s no spirits.” He said, “As a matter of fact, I’ve given my life to Jesus.” The other two guys were so close. “This is so crazy what happened here like we’ve had no visitation. All of our nannies are fine. [unintelligible] No one is having bad dreams.” It was night and day difference, and now I’ve gone back years later and it’s been fine. It’s like it never happened.

SID: You know, my peanut brain says everyone has to be a believer in Jesus for this to happen. That’s my peanut brain. But I’m going to tell you something, eye has not seen, ear has not heard. All that God has in store for you, that’s right, I’m talking about God, all that, I want you to hold your head up. I want you to forget what’s happened in the past. I want you to tell Jesus be my Lord. I want to you to repent of your sins, tell him you’re sorry. Ask him to live inside of you and watch what God is going to do.

SHAWN: I had one more user name. I never get user names, but I ask God for the information I never get. Terry Bishop 911. Terry Bishop, you’re working on the show and I’m getting you.

Terry: That is my user name, Terry Bishop 911.

SHAWN: The Lord says you live in a pleasant place. What does that mean to you?

Terry: I live on Pleasant Hill.

SHAWN: Come on.

Our Guests John and Lisa Bevere


SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guests, best-selling authors John and Lisa Bevere, unmasked. What do I mean by that? They were sabotaged when they got married. There is no way in the world their marriage should have survived and they have decided if they will tell people what happened to them it will give hope. But what happened to them wasn’t natural. What happened to them that gave them a marriage from Heaven was supernatural. Hello. Look, I cannot believe what I read in the newspaper. The institution of marriage is under assault. John Bevere, what’s going on and what’s behind what’s going on? What is the reason that the institution of marriage is under such assault?

JOHN: Marriage was authored, created, designed up by God himself. Satan hates anything that’s of God. The spirit of this world wants to destroy marriage and is on an active path to do it. And this is why Lisa and I decided to start speaking on marriage because we know now not only are marriages under attack, and they are under attack, but the very institution as you just said is being assaulted. And so we need to voice out what God says about marriage because it is so valuable.

SID: You know, John looks like he’s kind of meek. But would you believe on his first date with Lisa he gets her saved, he gets her speaking in tongues filled with the Spirit, and he gets her healed of a life-threatening disease, on the first date. I guess I’d better find out what happened on the second. No, I’m just teasing. Well I’ll tell you what happened. He marries Lisa. Now you’ve heard the saying, opposites attract, but this is ridiculous. Lisa, what was your background?

LISA: Okay. So I’m half Sicilian, Apache Indian, French and English. My grandmother had been married four times.

JOHN: And I’m fortunate to be alive.

LISA: Yes. My grandmother had been married four times. My parents were married, divorced, remarried, divorced. My dad was an alcoholic. I came from dysfunction way before it was popular. We were doing it way before the Kardashians. And basically, you know, John and I, we just came together. I had no good thing. I brought adultery, I brought alcoholism, I brought dysfunction and he brought all the good, and I brought all of the bad. I remember when he introduced me to his mom, his mom was like, “Wait a minute, we have never had divorce in our family before.” And I was like, that’s not my name. But it was really a scary thing when I came in. But you know, we decided, Sid, God wasn’t interested.

SID: You got me laughing so much, I don’t know what to say.

LISA: Well we decided it wasn’t about John’s good and my bad. It was about holy. And the truth is God wants to do a new thing with couples. And I brought nothing to the table, and we wanted to do our marriage different, but we didn’t know how to do it different. And I personally had a vision about three months into my marriage, and it was the vision of a perfect man, and this man looked like my husband, but he did not act like my husband. And so I decided my job was to change my husband from the man he was to the man he could be if he would work with me, but John had a vision of his own.

SID: But Lisa, not one woman listening to you understands.


SID: No woman wants to change her husband.

LISA: None of us do.

SID: Okay, that’s what she brought in.

LISA: Yeah.

SID: Now what did you bring in?

JOHN: Well I brought in, I mean, my family, my mom and dad are amazing. They married 66 years. My dad just went home to be with the Lord this year. But what I brought in was a lot of insecurity. I was the only boy of six children. So I was the chosen one, my son, my son, according to my mother. So a lot of—

SID: I thought that was just Jewish men.

LISA: No, it’s Italians, too.

JOHN: So a lot of selfishness and a lot of temper, a lot of arguing, a lot of this is my way or the highway. And we clashed like the Titans. I mean, it was like WWF wrestling the first couple of years of our marriage. It was horrific. And we really realized all of a sudden, hey wait a minute, this happily ever after just doesn’t happen. And so, you know, we started, Lisa and I started realizing in order to have a good marriage you have to work to have a good marriage.

SID: But I have to ask you this question, Lisa. Why the dirty laundry? Why are you doing this?

LISA: Well you know, I think too many people feel isolated. They feel hopeless. So John and I said, you know what, we’re going to open up our lives. Because we sit in conferences and we would hear the pastors say, “my wife and I have never had a fight” and I’d be like, for the love of Jesus, we’ve never not fought. I mean, we decided, what in the world? So we just did not know how to do it correctly. And so we were like, all right, people are going to have different differences and we need to be constructive with this. Plus John and I have a unique dynamic that other people didn’t have. We both are strong personalities. We both have voices. It isn’t I’m just supportive of him and he’s not there or he’s just supportive of me. But couples coming up, they want to do it together, Sid. I think that we are created to do it together. And it would have been easier if we did it separately. So we said, let’s just put it all out there. Let’s talk about our struggles in the past with abuse, let’s talk about our struggles with control, let’s talk about our struggles with fear, let’s talk about what we’ve regretted and what we’ve learned. We’ve been married for 33 years. That’s a long time. And so we’ve learned a lot of lessons that we don’t think other people need to learn the hard way.

SID: John, you were addicted to pornography before you got married.

JOHN: Yep.

SID: And before it was almost commonplace. Right now, the statistics are overwhelming. Tell me a few of them.

JOHN: Well it started at age 11. And then when I married Lisa, I thought, gosh, when I get married to this beautiful woman it will all go away. Well it certainly didn’t. And so it was a big battle.

SID: I’ll tell you what, hold that thought. I want to find out how you got supernaturally, I mean, he thought if he just would get married to a beautiful woman, he wouldn’t be interested in pornography. He didn’t know that that’s one of the strongest addictions on the planet. When we come back I want to find out how they supernaturally went from physical abuse with each other, verbal abuse, her taking off her engagement ring. I mean, and to have the marriage they have today, and I say there is tikvah, that’s a Hebrew word, there is hope. We’ll be right back.

Our Guest Pastor Don Nordin


SID: Talk about audacity, nerve, boldness, chutzpah, this doctor, he’s got it all. He has got audacity. He’s in the middle of a surgery. Tell me about Dee Sapp.

DON: Dee Sapp had been diagnosed with colon cancer and had to have emergency surgery. And Dr. Remedios was doing the surgery, and he took out three feet of her colon. And the Lord spoke to him and said to stretch the rest of the colon and to attach it. This had never been done before. And he could have lost his license. She could have lost her life. But he knew the Lord spoke to him and he did that. And the miracle is a creative miracle because after a period of time when she was examined, not only did everything work properly, but that colon had grown back to the normal six feet of colon.

SID: You know what is so amazing to me? I called my own doctor and I said, “Doctor, if someone had three feet of colon cut out, one year later, how much of it would have grown back?” He said, “None, impossible.” That’s what he said to me, impossible. But God says to you, “All things are possible to those who believe.” And you’re part of the all. Let me read Dr. Remedios’ quote to you right now. “There is no question about it. I could feel the tangible presence of God in the operating room. It doesn’t matter where you are, what your circumstance, there’s nothing too difficult for God. The tests showed the three feet of colon that I cut out was back. This is a miracle of God.” I love it when medical doctors use such terms of miracle, beyond human expectation, miraculous. That is so great. Another member of your congregation, just everything is going fine. Then what happened to him?

DON: He had a motorcycle accident. In fact, when he got the hospital, the doctors termed his condition as hopeless. I was on my way to the hospital and the Lord spoke to me and said, “When you get there, you tell Clint and his family that he will recover all.”

SID: Wait a second now, you’re putting your reputation on the line that you know that. I mean, the doctor said, hopeless. When a doctor says that, how do you have the chutzpah, the audacity to say what you did?

DON: Well on my way to the hospital, I didn’t know what his condition was.

SID: That helped.

DON: And the Lord spoke this to me and I was excited about getting there and sharing a word from the Lord with them. And when I walked into the room and saw his condition, I’m like, oh.

SID: Among other things, he was in a coma.

DON: He was in a coma, yes. And but we prayed and I told them, I said, “The Lord told me to tell you that Clint will doubtless recover all.” And today, Clint is back on his job. He is completely normal. He has recovered all. In fact, I would say that I like this Clint better than the other Clint, because he has I feel like a more outgoing personality, and God has just done an amazing, amazing thing in his life.

SID: And again, you see these papers here? These are all the medical reports from doctors on this Clinton Mayfield. God is not a respecter of persons, which means if he’ll do it for one, he’ll do it for all. I love the statement God gave you. I want you to hear this. I want this to soak in, inside of you. God told Pastor Don, “If you can convince them, I will do the work.”

Quick nugget on faith.

DON: Well I just think that people believe that if they’re desperate God will hear them. God doesn’t respond to desperation. He responds to audacious prayer and faith.

SID: I want you to have the most audacious faith you have ever, ever had. Read the Word, believe it’s God’s love letter to and go for the gold.

SID: The audacity of prayer, I love the word “audacity,” it’s boldness, it’s nerve. Once you realize that God is not a respecter of persons, and I’m going to tell you, these four CDs and the book is going to just cause you to believe. And that’s what God told Don Nordin, “If you can get the people to believe, I will do what I say.” Are you ready for God to do what he says in your life? I am.

Sid Roth


Sid:  Many years ago I met a woman her name is Penny. She speaks for the rights of the unborn children in the womb that are being murdered through abortion. And she was speaking at a rally and an elderly man walked up to her and said “Can I tell you a story and she said “Sure.” And he said “When I was a young boy Hitler was in power and I would go to church every Sunday and our church was located right next to train tracks. Every Sunday sure enough the train would go by and then we began to hear some very strange things happening from the train; they were screaming and saying ‘Help! Help! Help!’ and you know what the pastor told us? ‘Sing a little louder,’ they stuffed their ears they did not want to hear that the Jews were going to be destroyed. And so I’ve lived with that memory all of these years; those were the trains taking the Jews to the gas chambers to be killed; I think about it every night and then I think about the movie Schindler’s List did you see that? Did you remember the line that Oscar Schindler said “I could have gotten one more person and I didn’t, and I didn’t.”

I have to tell you that’s the way I feel right now and that’s the way that I want you to feel and that’s the way the heart of God feels right now.  I have a vision and my vision is a Jewish express and we are at the time of the second banquet right now where the Jews are ready to be saved just like Esther went to the second banquet with the King and requested that the Jews be saved. The tracks are being laid all over the world this moment but it’s a race for this Jewish express this Jewish express is going to be filled with Jewish people that have just accepted Jesus.  This train is going all over the world because the Jews have been spread to 4 corners of the earth and every Jewish person that gets on will be one that is saved. And your investment is going to buy tickets for Jewish people to board the Jewish express.

I’m going to tell you something else you are about ready to bump into what I’ve been walking in for the last several years it’s called ridiculous Esther favor.  Why are you going to walk in this ridiculous favor? Read it in Esther 10 verse 3 in the New American Standard version it says:

“For Mordecai the Jew was second only to King Ahasuerus and great among the Jews (Great among the Jews) and in favor with his many kinsman. (And then it tells us why)  He sought the good of his people.”

So I say to you what is the maximum good that you can do for a Jewish person? Is it humanitarian work?  Yes, that will help in this life and good will bless you for it. Is it praying for the Jewish people? Yes that will help you in this life and God will bless it for you. Or is it what God says Proverbs 11:30:

“He who wins souls is wise.”

The window of the set time to favor Zion or the second banquet it now.  Proverbs 10:5 says:

“He who gathers in summer is a son who acts wisely but he who sleeps in harvest is a son who acts shamefully.”

You know the major reason the devil is trying to kill all of the Jewish people right now? Because he knows about Isaiah 27:6, the King James, the Jewish Evangelists are about ready to fill the earth with fruit, this is God:

“God shall cause them that cause of Jacob to take root and Israel shall blossom and bud and fill the face of the world with fruit.”

If that doesn’t get you excited I don’t know what does.  As the Jewish people fill the world with fruit remember the call of the Jew is to reach the Gentile and we did a pretty good job 2000 years ago but we didn’t do the complete job. The job of the Gentile is to provoke the Jew to jealousy to reach the Jew. And I have to tell you when you give money to our ministry it’s an investment, it’s an investment in souls.  And we give you tools, tools so that you can be all that God’s called you to be. Tools so that you can operate in the supernatural.  Why, the Bible says “The Jew requires a sign,” the Bible says “Esther you’ve been called to the Kingdom for such a time as this.”  It says “This is the set time to favor Zion.” And I’m going to tell you something else Jewish people are so hungry for the supernatural the devil is like a Pied Piper in the New Age and the occult and they’re going into it in droves. But the spiritual scales are removed the judgment is finished we are at the fullness of the Gentile age Jesus is coming back soon…and any profits we make from you ordering the book “Sooner Than You Think” and the CD on the book of Esther….

I’m reminded, it’s kind of a funny story, but  I’m reminded of a… I did a New Age Festival in Israel and it really went bad I mean it really went bad. I had someone who was heckling me in the front row and I felt I did a bad job and so it had been raining and it was a standing in the mud and a couple of people were swimming in the nude in the water behind us (chuckling), you know it was a real New Age Festival and then there were a few other things I won’t talk about.  But I went home and felt miserable and someone said “You remember the New Age Festival you did Sid?” And I said “Yeah I remember.” And they said “Well one of the leading Messianic Jewish Evangelist got saved at that festival.” I had no idea, I have no idea, almost 5 million of the books “They Thought for Themselves” have been distributed to Jewish people throughout the world but we’re coming into the finest hour because now the spiritual scales are being removed.

So when you get the book “Sooner Than You Think” you’re going to be blessed and I’ll tell you why the best teachers of end-times it’s called subtitled, “The Prophetic Guide to the End Times” I’ve put into this book. And when you read this entire book you will not lose your faith when things don’t happen exactly the way it’s been told to you. Because the truth is nobody totally understands it but all the ingredients is in this book, so I can’t wait to get this into your hands.

Now I want to tell you about the end time Psalm to Esther the Church Psalm 91.  And I am going to include a bookmark with every book that you receive. And this bookmark is Psalm 91 personalized from the Living Bible. I’m going to tell you something I don’t care what happens if you say and believe this Psalm out loud every day this is what God promises.  “I live…” and personalize it that’s what I’ve done and you’ll be able to take this bookmark and read it out loud every day for yourself and your family.

“I live in the shelter of the most high; I find rest in Your shadow; this I declare about You. You alone are my refuge, my place of safety, You are my God and I trust You for You will rescue me from every trap and protect me from every deadly disease.  You will cover me with Your feathers; You will shelter me with Your wings; Your faithful promises are my armor and protection. I’m not afraid of the terrors of the night, nor the arrow that flies in the day; I do not dread the disease that stalks in darkness nor the disease that strikes at midday.  Though a thousand fall at my side though 10,000 are dying around me these evils will not even touch me. As I open my eyes I see how the wicked are punished.  No evil will conquer me, no plague (And we’re talking about these end-time diseases and everything) no plague will come near my home for you will order Your angels to protect me wherever I go. (Do you know there is a whole unit in a war in a combat zone and every member of the unit said this prayer out loud and not one was injured but all around them people were injured?) For you will order your angels to protect me wherever I go; they will hold me up with their hands so that I will not even hurt my foot on a stone. I will trample upon lions and cobras; I will crush fierce lions and serpents under my feet. You declare that You will rescue me because You love me.  Your protect me because I trust in Your name; when I call on You You will answer you will be with me in trouble; You will rescue me and honor me; You will award me with a long life. And I thank You for Your salvation.”

And now I’m going to pray a supernatural prayer over you. This is a prayer that I’ve prayed over many people and God has changed their heart it is called “The Esther Anointing.”  Are you ready to receive it?  I can tell you the presence of God is trembling throughout my body right now.

I pray in Yeshua’s name that every one that is opening their heart right now to receive will receive the Esther anointing. They will realize they’ve been called to the Kingdom for such a time as this.  I pray You will give them Your heart, Your compassion for their Jewish neighbors and Jewish doctors and Jewish merchants and Jewish schoolmates and Jewish business associates.

I pray Father God that Jewish people will walk up to them and say “I feel something wonderful radiating from you what is that? Why do you love Jewish people so much?”

I pray in Yeshua’s name that everyone that has ever something anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic would repent right now and tell God You’re sorry. Ask Jesus to forgive you, I pray Father God that everyone that receives this anointing will take part in filling up the Jewish Express. We will never listen again to the train going to the gas chamber screaming for mercy because Father God that Jewish Express is ready now this is the time of the second banquet, this is the fullness of the Gentile Age.  Jewish people are going to won to the Lord and these Jewish people will be like modern day Paul the Apostles which will go to the 4 corners and do a quick work, do a fast work quickly in Jesus name I pray – Amen.

And people are being healed right now, people…someone has a finger and it hurts you when you bend it maybe it’s arthritis maybe you fell and hurt it  but you are being healed in Jesus name.  Backs and necks are being healed; pain of all kind is leaving. Someone with a tennis elbow you’re being healed right now. The backs it’s so strong just test your back and your neck you’ll see that pain is totally gone. Hips are being repaired right now; knees are being repaired right now. Eyes are being healed, I even see an oriental person you can take it even if you’re not oriental but as I’m touching your eyes they’re being healed in Jesus name.

Sid Roth


Sid: I’m so excited Mishpocha because I’ve got finally after almost a year a copy of my latest book “The Last Lap” subtitled “The Emergence of the One New Man.” A lot of people wonder where I got the subtitle the One New Man. Well you don’t have to wonder anymore it’s in the atmosphere, it’s happening, people are talking about this having nothing to do with my book, nothing to do with my teaching. They’re talking about it all over the world. I believe it’s a foretaste of the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history.

Everyone is looking about the problems that are going on in the United States and in the world. Because we’re in a time in which nothing will ever be the same, but we’re in a time in God in which nothing will ever be the same. We’re going to see the greatest revival, the greatest outpouring of God’s Spirit in history.

Well Ephesians chapter 2 verse 14 – 16 explains the One New Man. It’s been a long time coming I’m sure when Paul wrote to the Ephesians he had no idea it would take so long. It says in the 2nd chapter the 14th verse “For He Himself is our peace who has made both one.” Who’s both? The Jew and the Gentile, “has made both Jew and Gentile one and has broken down the middle wall of separation.” So why did Yeshua, that’s Hebrew for Jesus, come? To break down a separation between Jews and Gentiles and this is how He did it in the 15th verse, “Having abolished in His flesh enmity that is the law of commandments contained in ordinances so as to create in Himself one new man,” that’s the One New Man. Create in who? Himself. Who’s Himself? Yeshua. “To create in Himself one new man from the two thus making peace.” Do you know what the Hebrew word for peace is? Shalom. “Thus making completeness.” That’s why Messiah came He came to establish Mishpocha, He came to establish family to make Jews and Gentiles One New Man. The Jew needs the Gentile, the Gentile needs the Jew otherwise no shalom. What is shalom? Completeness, there’ll only be completeness when the spiritual eyes come off of Jewish people and they’re grafted back into the church.

16th verse, “That He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross thereby putting to death the enmity,” and the word enmity means a positive hatred. See at the time Paul wrote this there was a hatred between Jews and Christians. The Messiah came to break this wall of separation down just as He came to… you know the curtain between the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place when Yeshua died the veil was rent in two. He wants to rent that in two so there can be intimacy with God. There’s a connection between Jewish people being grafted into the church, and intimacy with God. There’s a connection with the spiritual scales coming off of the eyes of the Jewish people and the connection the intimacy with God.

It says in Ephesians in the 2nd chapter the 14th verse “That Messiah came to break down this wall of separation.” Well there was a big wall of separation back then. There was no way a Gentile was going to fellowship with a Jew and Jew was going fellowship with a Gentile. It would take a great miracle and a great miracle occurred and the wall of separation was broken down, but today we have even a greater wall of separation. I mean a Jewish person looks at a Christian and says “I don’t see anything Jewish in your religion. As a matter of fact, I like mine better than yours.” A Gentile Christian looks at a Jew and says “I don’t see anything Christian about your religion. As a matter of fact, I like my religion better than yours.” There’s a bigger wall of separation today than there was 2000 years ago. That’s what Jesus came for.

Now to really understand the Jewish connection you have to turn to the book of Romans the 11th chapter. I’m going to read some selected passages from the 11th chapter. Paul says “I say then has God cast away His people? Certainly not.” Another translation says “Oh God forbid,” and then he says, 7th verse, “What then Israel has not obtained what it seeks but the elect have obtained it and the rest were blinded.”  11th verse “I say then, have they (the Jewish people) stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not but through their fall to provoke them to jealousy salvation has come to the Gentile.”

So first God says the Gentile has had a revelation of the Messiah, has had their sins washed away, has been grafted in to the Jewish olive tree for a purpose. What is the purpose? Many Christians are running up to prophets and saying “Tell me what my purpose is.” God is saying to you right now, why would you go to a flaky prophet when you won’t even follow what My word says? Romans 11:11 says “But through their fall to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy salvation has come to the Gentile.” So if you’re non-Jewish and you’re a believer in Jesus and you say “What is my call?” God is saying in Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy.” Now here’s the reason why, and maybe you never understood it. You know we don’t even have to understand it if God say to do it we’ve got to do it, but there’s a reason and God gives a reason in the 12th verse of Romans 11. “Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentile, how much more their fullness?” Was it a rich blessing that you came to know the Messiah coming from a non-Jewish background? Of course it was, but it says there’s something even greater coming to the church with their fullness.

The 15th verse, “For if they’re being cast away (and catch this now), for if the Jewish people being cast away is the reconciling of the world.” (Laughing) And it was now that Gentiles could be saved, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? What happens when a dead person comes to life, the resurrected? Do you realize what kind of power it takes for resurrection? The same spirit that rose Messiah Yeshua from the dead is living with us. There will be release, this is what God’s word is saying, there will be a release of resurrection power, life from the dead power. The power of God that we read about in the Bible, the power of God that we dream about, the power of God we believe, but the power of God we haven’t seen.

Well the word of God says when that wall of separation comes down, When Gentiles start fulfilling their God ordained destiny of provoking Jewish people to jealousy. If it was a rich blessing that the Jewish people rejected their Messiah, how much greater blessing when they receive their Messiah because it will cause a miracle to occur. See why the devil is trying so hard in the supernatural realm to separate, put up a wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles. But Messiah came yeah the set time, the set time to favor Zion has come. This is God’s set time. Just as the secular commentators are saying nothing will ever be the same again. In the spirit nothing will ever be the same again because I can tell you based on the prophetic word of God, based on what’s going on in current events we are in the set time to favor Zion. Before judgment comes there’s always a warning but can you see why the stakes are so high? Because there will be such a release of the supernatural power of God for evangelism, and I’ll be speaking on that tomorrow, such a release.

You can go to most churches, let’s face it we’ve become so religious. I mean we’re just like the game of telephone. Did you ever play it as a kid? One person whispers to another person who whispers to another the 3rd, and the 4th, and the 5th by the time it comes to the 6th person it’s so different than what the first statement of fact was it’s just over time.

That’s called (singing) tradition, we Jewish people have a lot of it then I became a believer in the Messiah and got into the church and I found that we have something called (singing) tradition. It’s a people problem and this (singing) tradition gets in the way, in the way of the power of the living God.

But we’re at a set time to favor Zion, we’re at a time that we’re going to see life from the dead resurrection power enter the church. There is a battle going on but the battle is not ours. God says “Stand still and watch the salvation of God.” I believe this is the set time for my latest book “The Last Lap,” subtitled “The Emergence of the One New Man.” This is the set time, I mean God says that we’re to pray that His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. I believe that this book is His will.

Are you feeling a little bored, that’s the word, bored with normal religious Christianity? Have you felt inside there’s got to be something more? Have you wondered why there’s so few miracles going on in churches in the United States? Have you had questions about how Christianity has deviated from Biblical patterns? Have you wondered about the Shabbat, that’s Hebrew for Sabbath? Is it Saturday, is it Sunday? How has it changed? Does it have anything to do with salvation? Does have anything to do with righteousness? Have you wondered why Jews distrust Christians? You’re probably not aware of something called the “Rabbinic Conspiracy.”

Many Christians are confused on who is Israel. You wonder what the glorious church, I mean the book of Ephesians talks about a church so filled with the glory of God. What this glorious church is going to look like? What about Messianic Judaism? What about Gentile Christianity what is their future? What is going to be the catalyst to release the greatest and last revival on planet earth?

Our Guest Jonathan Maracle

jonathan maracle

Sid: I have on the telephone a member of the First Nations. He is from the Mohawk Tribe the Tyendinaga Territory of Ontario, Canada. Jonathan Maracle I was talking on yesterday’s broadcast on February 1999 there was a transfer of anointing from your dad to yourself. Your father walked in a tremendous miracle anointing. And I don’t know all of this anointing includes but I do know that when you speak people begin weeping. Why is that?

Jonathan:  I believe that would be the passion that God has given me to see lives healed and changed. Some of the greatest healings that we’ve seen has been people who have been restored, self-respect and dignity and recognizing that God loves them who they are.

Sid: In 1999 you went to Israel but you didn’t just go to Israel you went with your full regalia of your ancestors dress and describe what you looked like?

Jonathan: Well I have 3 feathers on the top of my head that are eagle feathers.  I have on a piece called a Kostowa and it’s kind of like the headpiece that you would wear as an ambassador or somebody going to represent the Mohawk people. I had all buckskin or deerskin clothing that were traditional to my people.

Sid: Why did you go to Israel?

Jonathan: I went to Israel because I wanted to get connected to God’s people to the chosen ones, you know the chosen of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Because I serve the same God they serve I wanted to go and honor them and to love them.

Sid: But you had no idea, at least I assume you had no idea, that when you went there in your full regalia the Rabbis told you about a prophetic word 21 years ago.  Tell me about that.

Jonathan: Yeah it was a prophetic word actually it was one of the guys that was with our team his name is Richard Nunez. And Richard has been really a student or a lover of the Jewish people for a long long time. He went… we were at the wall and he went to the some of the Rabbi’s and he began to ask them “You know if it was okay for us to come in our regalia and to pray at the wall because our regalia the word regalia means royal robes. And when we wear regalia it’s because we’re coming with a heart of respect and dignity and honor.  So as we asked could we come to the wall in our royal robes so to speak, and the Rabbis’ welcomed us to come. So they told us that there was at the time 1999 there was a prophesy that they said that came out in 18 years before had been spoken that when First Nations people come to the wall in their regalia it was going to be a sign of the end times. When we came to the wall I mean it was amazing just 100’s of Jewish people came around us and began to ask us “What are you doing? Why are you here?” And we began to share our hearts with them that we were there to bless and to honor the Jewish people and to honor the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It was absolutely an incredible incredible time. From that we were asked and we were welcomed to go to the Knesset and we went before Avraham Burg. Protocol among First Nations People is one of the most important things and protocol to our people is giving. Whenever we go to another man’s place or another man’s territory we always carry with us gifts, we always carry gifts to honor. And they aren’t just like token gifts but they’re something special to us. And Israel as we went there and we were before Avraham Burg it was all of the people, all of our First Nations people were showering him with gifts, I mean he received eagle headdresses, he received pottery, and beautiful basket work, and bead work, and regalia, and just a whole bunch of things. And I took off my Kastowa, which is my headpiece of my people, and the Kastowa had the basic frame of my father’s Kastowa on it. And my father had always been a lover and always been one who prayed for the peace of Jerusalem. And his desire was to go to Jerusalem but he died before he could get a chance to go to Israel. And I had the privilege and the honor of carrying his Kastowa and giving it to the Chairman of the House of Israel.  So I had the chance to do that and he accepted it and we sang before them. We were they called us Warrior of Peace in the Jerusalem Post and in CNN they said there was First Nations People.  And he said “You keep referring to yourselves as warriors and he said “When I think of warriors,” he says “I think of people with guns doing battle.” But when I look at you he said it means Warriors of Peace.”  And so this was his declaration over us that we were “Warriors of Peace.” And while we were in Israel we had some other very interesting things happen. We had one of the Generals of the Israeli Defense Forces contact us and asked us if we would sing on our drum for the Defense Forces across the radio network of all of the defense forces outposts all across you know whether it was Lebanon, or Jordan, or Israel, or wherever they were. And we sang right in their Renaissance Jerusalem Hotel we set up our drum and we sang over the radio to all of the Israeli Defense Outposts everywhere.

Sid: Jon off of your CD “Rise Up Mighty Warrior.” This is what the Israeli Defense Forces might have heard.

Our Guests Bob & Jayne Griffin

Bob Griffin

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah he’s a Prophet his name is Bob Griffin. I’ve caught up with him in Charlotte, North Carolina where he’s speaking at a church there and this broadcast is being done on April 10th the day before April 9th Bob Griffin had a revelation from God that the world will never be the same. What did God show you?

Bob: Well it actually it literally began Sid probably about 8 weeks ago and the Lord began to during the time of the prophetic word a date came out and you know we’ve seen so many people that have given dates about different things and the one thing that we don’t want to do is we don’t want to cause people to stumble, but we do have to lean to His understanding when He’s beginning to speak something out and so…

Sid: You know even before you tell us what God showed you God has used you with specific dates with people in the past give me one example.

Bob:  Well here’s an example and this is a fresh one so it’s a testimony that’s on the tip of my tongue.  I received a phone call a few days and somewhere around 6 or 7 weeks ago I came into a meeting I began prophesying to an individual and it was a very lengthy prophecy probably close to 15 minute long specific word.  Which a lot of people at times will wonder why doesn’t the Lord speak to me that way but God chose to speak to this man in length.  During that specific word I gave him a date and I said “On March 13th your life will begin to take a new turn, it will begin to change God’s going to open up several doors of effectual ministry that are going to change your life and it’s what you’ve been believing God for” and I gave him some other details. Well that was about the end of it he came up afterwards and said “Boy you have no idea what you ministered to me.” And I hear that every single night because the accuracy is there and the fruit is there. And suddenly I get a phone call from him and he said “Do you remember prophesying to me about March 13th, and I said “Yes.” And he said “Could I give you a testimony?” And I said “Sure.” So he just called me up and this is fresh and he just said “He said I’m endeavoring to be a film maker in Hollywood and he said “I’m endeavoring to write scripts and he said on the morning of March 13th the Holy Spirit woke me up and there was a heavy anointing on me and he said “I sat down and I wrote an entire script for a Hollywood production and I wrote it all in one day.” He said “I’d been dreaming about this for nearly 20 years and he said “I’ve never had the anointing to do it but I woke up that morning and he said it just blossomed.”  That afternoon I receive a phone call from a producer in Hollywood with a production company, that I won’t mention but very major production company, and they called him up and said “We’ve heard that you’re endeavoring to do some work and do you have any scripts that you can show us?” And he said “As a matter of fact I do.” That was the end of it until just a few days ago he called me again and he said “I’m meeting with this Hollywood production company who is also meeting Paul Crouch and we’re endeavoring to do some stuff together. So as we begin to do these things together would you please be holding me up in prayer?”  Now I gave him a specific date of March 13 his life is radically turned. He had mentioned he had no intention of traveling anywhere for 6 months until he gets the call from a Hollywood producer that said “Get on the plane I want to meet you in Las Vegas.” He’s actually there on this very day the day that we’re speaking he’s there right now.

Sid: Now I’m going to take you back a few weeks ago and you bumped into the producer of my television show Janie DuVall and in the midst of conversation you said to her that “There would be a dramatic change of some sort in the ministry of Messianic Vision or my ministry on April 9th.”  And then the Lord started expanding what would happen on April 9th.

Bob: Yes.

Sid: Take it from there.

Bob: It was actually very special when I began ministering to her out of my spirit this date came forward and I’m sometimes hesitant you know we don’t realize what we’re saying when we’re under the anointing and we’re foretelling and were spilling out. When that day came out I really didn’t know what it was but I had time to go on and reflect and say “Okay Lord, what is about to change?” And what happened is I had a supernatural dream, I have dreams and I know that they are supernatural dreams that you know come from the Spirit of the Lord. Here’s what began to take place, I had a dream that I almost throughout I thought “This might be junk mail I thought that I would just throw it out.”  And it wouldn’t go away and I woke up one morning I dreamed that I was walking along side of a building and I was heading from a westerly direction to the east.  All of a sudden I looked and I was with 4 other people whose faces I didn’t know and I was walking along and suddenly I was taken out of myself, carried up to a high mountain and I was looking down at myself walking with these 4 people.  Suddenly the whole group of 5 made a left hand turn around the building and there was a river coming out from beneath this building and a bridge.  And the 5 of us began to cross over and as we began to cross over we turned and knocked on a door and the door opened. And when the door opened a woman was standing inside and we made another left hand turn and when we made this other left hand turn all of a sudden these 5 women were in there preparing for a great big meeting.  And they did something very unusual and I’ll try to hurry this up but they began to dance and one of them said “All we want to do is see Him and she motioned to the heavens and pointed to her eyes and she said all we want to do is hear Him, and all we want to do is feel Him in this place.” Suddenly she said “Get ready, get ready and suddenly the whole building began to shake, the floor was shaking and vibrating the floor, everything was just moving with this sound and it was an Israeli Jewish sound that was coming into this building. Suddenly she said “There must be one here, there must be one here” and I turned around to see what they were pointing at and she said “Are you Jewish?” And she said “Yes, she said “This sound is coming for you.” And I suddenly realized in this dream that I thought I was going to a meeting that was going to last 10 minutes or so and then it was going to be over but suddenly this sound was happening and it was something very pivotal.  Well when I was coming through the doorway the woman standing there at the door said “18, 19, 20, 21.” And I thought “What is that?”  I woke up from the dream and I started to throw it away and the Lord said “I want you to take a look at this.” And I began to realize that the Lord was speaking to me about the 5 fold ministry, there were 5 of us we were walking from the west which represents grace, the east which represents the law and God was having us turn around in the 5 fold ministry and look at once more towards the east towards Jerusalem.  Suddenly we made a left hand turn we crossed over a river. I began to study Ezekiel the water that comes out from underneath the temple it flows from the west to the east I began to crossover the bridge.  As we’re crossing over the Lord saying the 5 fold ministry is beginning to cross over the church is going to begin to make a major turn. The Spirit of the Lord is saying right now as we begin to make this major turn the church is going to begin to turn their eyes once more towards Jerusalem and suddenly we knocked on the door when the door opened up all of a sudden realized that something was happening.  I woke up from the dream and I began to count as I began to count we made three left hand turns, we made three right hand turns, we made a left hand turn and all of a sudden I realized that cadence was happening your left, your left, your left right left, it was a countdown three lefts, two rights a left. Three to one this is a countdown for the church for the church to turn back towards Israel. And this is shift that we’re talking about on the April 9 I believe that God is saying look again. And its no coincidence that at this time Colin Powell is visiting getting ready to form an alliance that will come in and help Israel. I believe that the Lord is saying that even as a nation we’re to turn and look. Even as the church were to turn and look and the Lord is telling us to embrace Him for the storm. God spoke to me yesterday and He said “I want my people to embrace me for this storm; I want them to come close to me before these things take place.” And I suddenly realized that the Lord is crying out for intimacy and in the midst of that 3-2-1 countdown the Lord began to take me to Revelation 3:21.  When I looked at it He said “I’ll grant you to sit on the thrones with Me and then I looked at the 18, 19, 21. I counsel you buy from me gold refined in the fire. I counsel you to get white garments that you’ll be clean and I counsel you to get eye salve for your eyes.  I believe God is saying that this is the time that the Gentile church is the Christian church will begin to turn around and not be anti-Semitic but to turn around and begin to look towards the holy roots, begin to look and realize that we’ve all been grafted in and then God is doing something very powerful and it’s a time for us to turn around.   I believe that the water mark that the Lord was speaking about April 9th and I believe in addition to that that we’re going to see some incredible things happening in our nation and the Middle East.

Sid: Tell me what we’re going to see and again Mishpocha this is being done on April 10th 2002.

Bob: Well I believe that the Lord is saying right now that we are to look towards the Middle East and toward Saddam Hussein during the mouth of June that we are to look up. Several weeks ago the Lord woke me up from a dream and He said “There’s going to be a big earthquake.” I went into a service that night and I announced it I said “The Lord said there’s going to be a big earthquake.” Well four days later we had one in Afghanistan.  Two weeks later goes by the Lord says “More earthquakes.” We had 2 more then we had another in the Philippines. And then the Lord said “Another earthquake coming and God says “I’m going to shake Baghdad.”  The Lord said the governments of this age are not going to do this work but the governments of God are going to begin to do this work.” And the Lord began to show me “Look back towards that 1040 window again.”  Well I know when the Lord begins to redirect my path He’s saying “You’re doing but I want you to turn around and look at what I’m doing and where I’m going.” And so I hope that I’m sensitive enough to start turning where He’s going and walk where He’s going.

Sid: Is there…there’s going to be an outpouring of God’s Spirit we know this; what kind of shaking will occur in America as well as the Middle East?

Bob: Well it’s interesting in 1992 the Lord began to prepare our ministry.  I asked Him one day there was so much speculation about oh tribulation, rapture and everything.  I said Lord this is just so confusing I’m a new Spirit Filled believer I don’t know what to believe and I heard the Lord say “Prepare to go through tribulation.” He didn’t say we’re going to go through it He said “Prepare to.” And so we began to dig in and we began to get ready.” And so when I hear the Lord say “Embrace for the storm.” I believe He’s telling us I want you to embrace and that there’s a lot more getting ready to happen. And so I believe that He’s telling us that to get close to Him, get sensitive to Him let Him speak to us with this outpouring that He’s giving to us so that we are in our right position.

Sid:  Are we going to see more disasters in America?

Bob: There’s no doubt in my mind that we’re going to see more I regret that I wish that we weren’t but I believe that the prayers that came forth in 9/11 averted much catastrophe.  And I believe that unfortunately we’re coming back to a place of complacency and lethargy and apathy and when we do we’re not pressing in. But I believe that the Spirit of God is for us to come back to Him right now.

Sid: …People that have taken the course of yours have they been able to understand dreams and visions?

Bob: Oh absolutely we just got a phone call less than an hour ago from a woman who said “I’ve never had any dreams and visions we came to the conference I’ve been having visions all days the impartations was caught; the oil of the Holy Spirit is upon her and she’s understanding.  My children I have little children who have been having drams and visions because they have been under this anointing. And my little daughter Jasmine when she was 4½ years old began having dreams.  She began speaking in tongues and baptized in the Holy Spirit and she began to have…

Sid: Bob we’re out of time.

Our Guest Peter Gammons


Sid:  Now Mishpochah this is not hard to believe for a Bible believer that believes in the Bible, but it’s hard to believe for a normal American Christian that my guest who I will introduce you to in a moment in one campaign in Brazil 45 deaf and dumb people instantly were healed, 45 many born that way.  My guest Peter Gammons I’m speaking to him in Orlando, Florida where he’s pastor of Cathedral of Faith. Peter this is so mind blowing that if God hadn’t done that through your ministry would you have difficulty believing that this is going on today?

Peter: Not really when I came to Christ and I discovered Jesus heals the sick today Jesus said “You’ll do greater things than I did because I go to the Father.”

Sid: Well He said that but you know where the rubber meets the road here in America if one person that was deaf and dumb got instantly healed it would make headlines.

Peter: Yeah it makes headlines it’s made headlines in Brazil in the cities where we’ve seen it happen. There’s not been one person they say that doesn’t know about the miracles that have taken place it’s shaking cities.

Sid: Peter did you come from a good Christian family?

Peter: No I didn’t.  I wasn’t raised in a Christian home the only time I ever heard the name Jesus was in blasphemy.

Sid: As you know I come from a Jewish background and the same was true for me but normally I don’t think of someone that’s not Jewish being raised in that type of environment in this day and age.  So coming from that environment where did you first start having a spiritual appetite?

Peter: What happened was I was born 11 years after my brother and my parents after my brother was born and nearly died at birth were told that they couldn’t have anymore children. And so for 11 years they were thinking that they couldn’t have any more children and then suddenly I appeared.  And my mother said “Lord we give this one to You” she wasn’t spiritual but she just felt that it was a miracle baby and said “I give this one to you.” From as young as I can remember I was searching for God. I involved in the music business at a young age and actually joined the local church choir just to get voice training but it was not an evangelical church and I never heard the gospel preached there but I attended for many years and was going to the 8:00 service, the 10:00 service and the 6:00 service as an unsaved person.

Sid: But why did you?

Peter: I knew that there was a God and I wanted to know Him but I didn’t know how to find Him and I even considered entering the priesthood but the priest advised me against it and said that he wouldn’t recommend it to anybody (Laughing.) I just was searching for God and then one day I was invited along to a meeting to a meeting with a group of young people and I went along to the service. And there was a young man that talked about how he met with Jesus personally and how Jesus had taken him out of a life as a gang leader. Which h I wasn’t in anything terrible like but I went away and they gave me a little booklet called “Journey into life.” And I went home and it talked about how I could know Jesus personally and there was a prayer to receive Christ as my Savior.  And I prayed that prayer and there was no flash of light and there was no angels floating around the bedroom.  But I had a peace inside that God had forgiven me and that Jesus had saved me and now I was just so excited I met with Jesus personally and I wanted to tell the whole world. And that’s how I got the fervor to be an evangelist.

Sid:  And now I notice something else that we had in common that in additional to being raised in a household where Jesus name was predominately a curse word, I had as a young child a tremendous fear of death.

Peter: Hm.

Sid: And I remember having a conversation with myself one time that went something like this I as home and alone and the conversation was “What happens when you die?” There was just a question popped into my heard I don’t even know why and I started as a young child trying to visualize and I could only come up with the cease to exist scenario and that was so objectionable I just blocked it from my mind.  Why did you have such a fear of death?

Peter:  Yeah what happen was one day I was walking home from a club where I had been performing a nightclub where I had been performing and I noticed that this man was following me everywhere I went he followed me and he was getting closer and closer and I could hear his footsteps behind him and in the end I stopped and I turned to him and said to him “Why are you following me?” And he said “I’m going to kill you.” And I said “Why and he said “I don’t like you.” And he’d been watching me all night and I’d had friends all around me and was having a lot of fun and he was a strange character just standing in a corner watching. What happened I regarded as a miracle but my mother had been at home and she had been feeling very uneasy and she decided she was just going to drive around and see if she could see me anywhere and she pulled up alongside me as I’m standing there with this man. And she wound down the window and said “Get in the car.” And so I jumped in the car and then she just sat there thinking that it was a friend of mine that I was talking to and waiting for him to get into the car. (Chuckling.)

Sid:  Hm.

Peter: And I just said “Go go he’s going to kill me” and she said “Well we’re going to call the police.” And I said he’s got brothers who are bigger than him. And what happened was he ended up stabbing a policeman. But it left me with a terrible fear of death and I started was music and my whole life was a singer.  I started singing about having guard dogs and bars at the window and suddenly what I thought was going to be freedom and happiness and success became my prison.  And I used to have a single prayer I prayed “Don’t let me die, don’t ley my cat die, don’t ley my grandma die, don’t ley my mother die, and don’t let me die” and that was my whole prayer life I was afraid of death. And the night that I received Jesus I got the Bible that my grandmother had given me many years earlier though I’d never read it before. And I didn’t know where to look in the Bible but I just opened it up and it fell open in Philippians chapter 1 and I read these words “For me to live is Christ and to die is gain.” And I said “How can anybody say that to die is gain? And I thought well the night I was saved I thought I’m only going to be with Jesus what could be better?  And for the first time I turned the light off and I went to sleep. I used to sleep with the light on because I was afraid someone was going to get me I had my bed in the middle of the room.

Sid: Hm. A lot of children do that.

Peter:  I had a knife beside my bed and I even got myself a gun and that’s how afraid of somebody killing me I had this phobia.

Sid:  And so the fear was surrounding you and instantly it disappeared?

Peter: As instant as this I turned the light off and went to sleep and I’ve never had problems sleeping since. I’ve had problems waking up but no problems going to sleep since.

Sid: (Laughing) Yeah I noticed something else in your bio that intrigued me and there came a point in your life where you wanted God’s power desperately tell me about that point.

Peter: Hm.  What happened was I had a year as a Christian after I was born again. I had a whole year of trying to win people for Jesus I’d tell them about Jesus and they were not interested. And I couldn’t work this out because I was so desperate to know God and I couldn’t work out how everybody wasn’t. And then…

Sid:  I had that same problem when I became a believer my biggest shock is very few Christians were Christians.

Peter: Yeah yeah it’s amazing and of course living in England which I was born and raised there and only moved to America 3 years ago so I was far more cynical in anti-Christian environment and with very few evangelical Christians.  And so here I was in a situation where I tried evangelizing I tried praying and I didn’t know how to pray.  I heard someone talk about anything but they never said that tithing had anything to do with money it just said we need to give 10%. So I thought it meant 10% of my time and I thought I had to pray 10% of my time. And so I tried giving God 2 hours and 40 minutes and if you can imagine as a new Christian trying to give God 2 hours and 40minutes within 2 minutes I run out of ideas what to pray about so I got under total condemnation that I as a useless Christian and in the end I just got to the point where one point I lay in bed and I said “God I don’t know how to live this Christian life I’m messing it up if I were you I’d take me home now because I’m only going to let You down.”  And I said “I’m going to count to 10” and I was very serious I said “I’m going to count to 10 and if I’m still here when I get to 10 I’m going to live for you.”And I began to count 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.” When I got to 10 I was still there and I’m going to live for You but I’m going to need something and I don’t know what I need.” So I went along to a service where I heard that they prayed for people afterwards and at the end I went forward I didn’t listen to a word that the minister had prayed it was a charismatic service and they’d have people that were hopping around and dancing in the service and I thought that this was terrible and I thought they should be reverent and this kind of thing. And I never seen the enthusiasm on people alive for Jesus.  But they prayed for people at the end and I went forward and I said “I just need something in my life I just need power.” And the man showed me in Acts chapter 1:8 where it says “You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you and you’ll be witnesses to me in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth.” And he showed how when the power of the Holy Spirit came on the early disciples it turned them into preachers and people were saved 3000 saved the first day and he said “You need the Baptism.” He said “Have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit?” I said “I’ve never heard of it before and he said “You need it.” And I said well if I need it I’ll have it. And so he prayed for me to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and I just felt such power I felt twice as tall as I walked out of the meeting.  And the preacher said to me “Have you spoken in tongues yet?” Who had been preaching and I said “I’ve never heard about that I’ll have to read a book on that subject.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Peter: But I knew that there was a power in my life so I got this book that was by Rita and Dennis Bennett called “The Holy Spirit in You.” About the revival that took place in the Episcopal Church and I got as far as page…as far as the second chapter and I said “Lord I can’t wait and tried to speak in tongues. And I thought that the Holy Spirit was going to come and take control but God never possesses you have to cooperate with Him and take a step of faith and speak out by faith. But I didn’t understand all of that then and I was expecting God to do something but it said “They spoke in tongues it didn’t say God did.”

Sid: Peter hold that thought we’re going to pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast…