Sid: Now as I have been saying all of this week my personal devotional soaking time I use a brand new CD by Grace Williams. It’s called take me away. And as we found out on yesterday’s broadcast what she meant by the title is take me away into the presence of God. Take me away into the secret place. As a matter of fact Grace, this is literally a prophetic impartation of Psalm 91 which I recommend everyone listening to my voice reads out loud and personalizes every day. If you know anyone in the military urge them to do this because every problem that could happen to a human in life is covered by the protections and the promises in Psalm 91. And I think it’s so amazing that, what did God tell you would occur when people listen to this prophetic impartation through music?
Grace: Well, I believe that it’s just going to provide His divine protection that’s available in this hour and really being encapsulated in His shelter, in His wings which is in His presence and just that powerful safety and refuge that we can run to in time of need really.
Sid: Now tell me about the selection we have today, “Holding On.”
Grace: “Holding On,” this was really powerful moment when I was just worshiping as I so often do in my studio and I was just really crying out to the Lord and my hearts cry you know holding on strongly. And I feel as though Heaven’s embrace is the theme song for so many moments in my life personally and feeling that touch from Heaven and as I was writing the song “Hold On” I just began weeping and tears flowed, I was just so moved by the Spirit and my spirit just started just started crying out “I need Your hand in mine, I need Your hand in mine.” I was crying out to the Lord and it was right then as I was singing those words He allowed me to see His huge outstretched arms and they were reaching down from Heaven and He literally grabbed my hand to pull me up to where He was and I went up in the Spirit and He lifted me up into the Heavens; and I was suspended above the earthly realm and all these things that just on the earth just faded away. And I could sense, all I could sense was just amazing acceleration and quickening power of His mighty strength; His strong arm you know that drew me up and I was consumed by His passion for me and His fiery eyes, the warmth of His love that cradled me and I was safe in His arms. All fear was gone, all fear just dissipated and I knew that it was in that secret place that I was safe and in that hiding place. You know He talks about where He preserves us from trouble and He surrounds us with songs of deliverance; and He said tell my people I’m surrounding them with songs of deliverance, songs of healing and if they can have an ear in their heart to hear this sound of Heaven it will bring such peace and safety. And right now, right now I just sense the Lord; the Lord is setting someone free right now of an abusive relationship. God’s breaking off chains today, many woman are being set free also of depression and oppression. A spirit of heaviness that has had you bound, you have been bound for so long is lifting right now, in the Name of Jesus because Jesus is the Glory and the lifter of your head. So just lift your hands right now wherever you are and be free in the Name of Jesus, just receive that healing, receive that freedom. Every chain is broken in the Name of Jesus as you lift your hands and be free you are going to walk out of that darkness, you are going to walk out of that spirit of heaviness.
Sid: And the anointing is going to destroy the yoke from the CD “Take Me Away.” Excerpt of “Take Me Away.”
Sid: That was “Holding On” from the new CD by Grace Williams “Take Me Away.” Take me away into your presence; can you see how you’ll be taken away into His presence? Grace, how do you write music?
Grace: Well, you know people ask me that all the time Sid, and it’s so just awesome because it always happens different ways. Sometimes, you know I’ll be in my car driving and worshipping and God will just drop a melody into my heart and I’ll grab by little digital recorder and I’ll start singing many times it’s in my own you know, personal worship time when I’m just crying out to God at my piano and singing and God will just literally just download melodies from Heaven or words from Heaven and so it’s really is cultivated you know in my own personal worship time. You know, random moments in the shower I’ll be just praising God or out in my back yard, and really just that intimacy of being with the Lord and that relationship of just loving the Lord and being His daughter and He just pours forth songs and you know I’m just so honored and humbled that He would allow me to pour forth. You know really I feel like He pours into me and I just pour them out because I want people blessed and touched. I pray that that’s my heart that these songs fill your hearts and your homes and just be a tool in your own worship time to draw you closer to His presence and His face.
Sid: Grace, you have such a almost provoking passion for God that when we hear you sing we have a passion for God. Have you always had this passion for God? I know at age three you started speaking in tongues in a supernatural language when you were baptized in the Holy Spirit, where did this passion come from?
Grace: Well, I think that I’ve been marked by God and branded by God’s love and branded by God’s fire. And my continual hearts cry is “God set me on fire with Your love, you know set me on fire with Your love, let me burn, let me burn. And that fire would be contagious and so that’s awesome when I hear testimonies like that it is literally starting fires in other peoples heart’s and spirits, that’s just awesome because it’s that passion and that fervor for His presence, it stirs up. It stirs up the fire, we had an email testimony from a mother and she was saying almost a similar thing you said Sid, you’re music and voice provided a direct line to the things of Heaven; my eleven year old daughter has now stepped into her prophetic calling since soaking with your music. And the mother had known that this was God’s intention, but it took Heaven sound to awaken her and through your music God is revealing secrets and hidden mysteries of Heaven and she’s praising…
Sid: We want everywhere to experience what it’s like to be taken away into the presence of God, into the arms of God. And I do this just about every day, I carve out an hour and I just close my door and I just soak in the presence of God. And my favorite soaking music is Grace Williams new CD “Take Me Away.” And Grace one of the selections is called “Wings of Love” tell me about that.
Grace: Yes, this is one of my favorite’s songs and I was actually playing and singing this song in a prayer meeting and we were all just worshipping and praying and it was really an awesome time; and I had this vision and I literally saw myself again, that Psalm 91 anointing in the shelter of the Almighty and I literally saw these feathers and a huge outstretched wings begin to cover over me and they begin to expand and create this arch dome. It was almost like this igloo it was round and it was completely incapacitated me and every way I would look, up or down and to the side there was no place that I could go that wasn’t covered and …
Sid: And so there was no room for fear or worry.
Grace: Exactly, no room for fear and that’s what the Lord was speaking to me about, this song “Wings of Love.” It was like as God was saying as they make M, there dwelling place no evil can get close to them, no torment, no terror is welcome in this Holy place. It is only here that we are safe and we are covered and so it was really a call to let the Lord carry us on His wings of love, carry us on the Wind of His Spirit. And then at the end of that song it’s really a freedom song, it says “Fly fly, free to fly, fly, fly, fly lifting up your wings to fly. To those that have felt discouraged or just overwhelmed with fear or sadness or grief and God’s calling them up saying “Come, fly with Me, come soar with Me and be free, you know like a bird. A bird can’t fly if it’s in chains or if it is caged up or it’s held in bondage. But God’s saying I’ve opened the door, I have released the captives and set them free come fly with Me and be free lifting up your wings to fly. So I really feel like this song is a call to freedom and God is setting people free even now. He’s setting people free in the Name of Jesus.
Sid: “Wings of Love.” Excerpt
Sid: That was “Wings of Love” from the new CD take me away by Grace Williams. And we cut the song in the middle and the last words were He will carry on His Wings of Love. Grace what does that mean to you?
Grace: Well, that is the most beautiful place to be Sid, hidden in His wings, hidden in His presence and it’s really that heavenly embrace and being covered, being surrounded encapsulated in His amazing love and that love is stronger than anything. It’s stronger than fear, it’s stronger than worry, it’s stronger than any tormentor, anything the enemy could bring against it. That love is stronger than anything.
Sid: And we also have on the telephone line Jerry Williams, Grace’s mother. And Jerry God has been telling you something that happens to be music to my ears about this next generation. Explain, especially these young people.
Jerry: Yes, God is shifting, He’s starting a movement among the children and the young people liken to the prophet Samuel. And we know that Samuel, his heart was groomed in the midst of the smoky fragrant perfume of the incense of worship in the Holy Place. He would lay down beside the burning flame of the lamp in the Holy Place. And these young prophets that God’s raising up they’re fiery passionate type that they have to live close to the Glory and it’s only there that they can kindle their divine destiny.
Sid: They are not going to settle for your normal Christian churches. They want more; it won’t be satisfying this new generation.
Jerry: There is also a Spirit of Caleb coming upon this generation, I just say by the Spirit of Lord, because Caleb said “Give me the land of the giants.” There was no fear in this generation, they said; let me dispossess the enemy in these dark mountains that have been held by the enemy. They will be these amazingly seasoned worshippers and warrior’s who follow wholly after the Lord, completely and totally given over to God.
Sid: But they’re going to need some Fathers, Spiritual Fathers and Spiritual Mothers to help mentor them to move into this type of thing. And actually isn’t that what you and your daughter do two generations in ministry?
Jerry: Yes, definitely we know, we’ve seen in the life of Samuel that His mother Hannah actually brought him every year these handmade garments or robes, typified the anointing that she was decreeing over him that he would break off the Eli Spirit of the darkness and the traditional church and that he would be a reformer. And so she through her declarations and through her prophetic eye she began to see him as a reformer and she would cloth him and cloak him in these generational anointings just like Joseph’s robe that was multicolored and His father gave to him, that was a type of anointing; the passing of the generational anointing.
Sid: Jerry, I’m just kind of curious when you see the type of presence of God that comes out of your daughter’s music and the changes that happen to people what do you feel like as a mother?
Jerry: I feel just so overflowing, overflowing with this anointing that’s permeating these sounds of Heaven and the heavy midst that’s overflowing into people’s lives. And you know that in Ezekiel when he looked into the Glory clouds and he saw this overshadowing power that would come on the saints in the end time and I just feel like that this is a fulfillment of the desire of God’s; heart that he would bring many sons into glory. And that this glory cloud that overshadowed Peter, and creative miracles happening is what’s happening today with these prophetic young people that have eyes to see in tandem with what God is saying and God is just asking will someone agree with me? Will someone open their eyes wide and see into the supernatural and see the glory that already resides in you?
Sid: Grace are many people getting healed when they listen to your CD take me away?
Grace: Yes, we’re having so many people healed. Healed of past hurts, healed of abuse, set free from mental illness, just flooded with peace like you said earlier. A woman recently was healed of scoliosis, people being set free of suicidal thoughts and spirits of death. Just amazing, we had a young woman that was set free, she was a cutter, and lot of young people have gotten trapped into this really demonic self mutilation where their crying out to feel something and so to feel anything they end up self mutilating or cutting themselves and she emailed me and said,” When I heard this sound, when I heard this sound and she was not even a believer, she just happened to randomly come across my music and she said “I heard this sound and I have not wanted to harm myself since.
Sid: Well, my guest this week is Grace Williams and she has a new CD called “Take Me Away” that for the last few months I have been soaking daily under and I have to tell you I have never heard music that brings such peace. Grace, people are having all sorts of healing from your music, tell me about a few specific that come to mind.
Grace: Yes, well we had a testimony from Evelyn and she was actually was bed ridden for years and God brought her. She said these are her words, “She said God brought me out from being a skeleton that slept eighteen hours a day.” And she’s had huge miracles, HUGE that she writes in caps. In one mighty moment God took me off a duffle bag full of meds. I take no meds now His Glory and presence are fully known in your music.” And when I got that I thought, “Praise God, you know that she’s been brought out of darkness into marvelous light and that spirit of death has been broken over her life” how powerful. Another just amazing one was a woman called and her nephew was actually in a mental institution and the Lord told her to bring, actually bring this CD to the hospital, to the mental hospital. She told the staff and the nurse she said, “Whatever you do, keep this music playing continuously and she said the Lord had told her on the 20th day that He was going to be set free and walk free.” So she told the staff, “Whatever you do do not stop this music.” And so she went, took the CD set it to playing on repeat. And she says, “Hallelujah as sure as the Lord said and has spoken to me and to the doctors amazement he walked out completely drug free, free, free, free she says.” So this is powerful, like I say this is strong medicine, this is strong therapy, this is spiritual CPR that reaches out to whatever. Whatever is ailing you, whatever sickness, whatever disease, whatever has been spoken over you, “The Lord has a good report for you, He has good things in store for you.” And I just pray right now Lord, that you would send forth that spiritual CPR Lord, I thank you that you just release life right now Lord, life, life, life over your people and love, Lord. Your banner over us is love and God I pray you release your love over, over us right now Lord and we thank You for it in Jesus Name.
Sid: Tell me about a selection we’re about ready to play from the take me away CD called “Healing Oil,” tell me about that.
Grace: Yes, this song is just really powerful and we’ve actually had testimonies from this song. People said that they pray it in their prayer meetings and Bible studies and actually that the oil of the Lord has manifest when this song begins to play and so that’s like a really amazing thing. But also, as I was recording this song and I prophetically just begin to sing towards the end of the song I say, “Breathe on Me, Overshadow Me” and I’m just crying out to the Lord. And as I was singing this, I literally felt the Lord’s breathe just blow across my face. It was like this huge burst of cool wind. It was like airy like it was like this airy breath and then He began to whisper to me and it was like this face to face encounter and He was excelling into me and He was breathing His very life. And it was then and in that moment He reminded me, and He reminded me that this is what He desires with His people, this is what He wants, a passionate closeness where we are revived by His breathe, where we are having that fact to face encounter. And you know just like He longs for that, He desires that and so as we cry out for this, this breath of Heaven, this face to face encounter it is then that we are then that we enlivened and energized in that presence and seeing him face to face.
Sid: I would have to believe that your music brings such a anointing for people to breakthrough into intimacy with God, that’s why it releases so much peace. And that’s why the people that even have insomnia, you get so many reports they play the music through the night. But I have a better idea; it should be played 24-7 in a house. Let’s hear the selection “Healing Oil” from this CD “Take Me Away.”
“Healing Oil” from this CD “Take Me Away.” Excerpt.
Sid: Now you can see why I just love to just relax and soak in that kind of music it sure beats watching movies with all the violence and everything. How would you like to go to sleep with this type of music rather than the junk you’re watching on television? Grace, tell me what the Lord told you that this music would accomplish prophetically.
Grace: Well, really that Psalm 91 anointing, a prophetic impartation it would not just be something that we know and we would even read, but we would have an impartation and a personal experience, a personal journey and He would open the eyes of our heart to see and experience this Psalm 91 anointing to be hidden in the shadow of the Almighty. To be you know safe and protected in His arms, to fear nothing if you read through this, no disease would touch us, every kind of calamity would be around us; but we God’s people will stand untouched. We will make God our refuge, even evil can’t get close to us. It can’t come through the door Sid. He’s sent His angels to keep us to just protect us and God says if you will hold on to me for dear life, I’ll get you out of any trouble. So I just speak forth today any trouble, any trouble, any trouble that you are going through it may seem dark; you may be going through the dark night of the soul today. You may be facing something that seems so daunting, but the Lord says in the Name of Jesus that He is your shelter, He will lift you up. He will carry you, He will be your strong right arm and He, He, He will lead you and blow on you and revive you and refresh you with His presence in the Name of Jesus. And I just also feel like the Lord is setting someone free right now. It is almost like and inferiority complex like you felt like you are not enough. That you’ve just, it’s almost like this voice in your head for your whole life has just been tormenting you and beating you down.
Sid: But no more is it going to beat you down.
Sid: My guest, Grace Williams has just come out with a new CD called “Take Me Away” we’ve had her on before with her first CD “Fire Fall” and I was so impressed with that, but as far as I’m concerned the CD that I use for my regular soaking time daily is “Take Me Away.” And we’re finding out some very supernatural things. I mean the devil tried to snuff her life out just as she was born and I kind of think that’s even though her mother Jerry wasn’t even a believer at the time, she knew enough to know to call her new born baby Grace. And at four years of age, as some children will do, they see a piano and they walk up to it and they make a lot of noise, Jerry tell me about age four when Grace first saw a piano, what happened?
Jerry: Yes, we did not have a piano in our home and she had never seen one, we went to a neighbor’s house for a Bible study and they had a rickety old piano that was missing a few keys and she walked over to it. She reached up and put her pudgy little hands on those keys and she looked at me and said, “Momma I want one of these!” So her little spirit man…
Sid: Now, Grace can you remember that at all?
Grace: Yes, I do it’s really awesome because basically my first memory as a child is being filled with the Holy Spirit that was the first memory. And then the second memory I remember, I mean vividly, it’s like I remember as if it were yesterday; this friend’s house, I could picture it today and this piano and me going over there. And it was literally like my spirit was so drawn to this object I had never seen before, but it was like I had found my calling, I had found my destiny at that young age and something inside of me just leapt and I knew that that was part of my destiny and part of what God had planned for me.
Sid: Well, and then you really got a clue from God when you had an angelic visitation at age seven, tell me about that.
Grace: Yes, and I really believe it was a destiny dream; a destiny vision that God you know gives us very often in our life and that was really my first destiny dream I had had. And I literally saw my music circling the world, it was going around just in these beautiful, for those you that read music you know how it’s like a long, the musical notes and the staff I could literally see them like this beautiful ribbon encircling the earth and touching the utter most parts of the earth. And these music notes were like bursting forth and they were just shining forth with God’s love and it was almost as if they were exploding and going into you know these different regions and they were releasing God’s love, God’s glory, God’s healing whatever people needed, it was like bursting forth in these musical notes which are the Heavenly songs, the sounds of Heaven. It’s not something I do it’s something God pours forth and I just say yes Lord, just flow through me, do what only you can do so.
Sid: What does “Take Me Away” and that the title of your new CD, what does that mean to you?
Grace: That means take me away into the presence, take me away into the secret place, because we know I’ve discovered in my journey, as a daughter of God, as a worshipper that one moment in God’s presence can change everything. And that’s what’s so powerful about being in that presence. Being in that secret place, you know it takes one moment to shift mine sets to shift into a healing to shift into a breakthrough. And it’s so powerful, I like to think of it as strong medicine, you know. It’s like we only need small moments in His presence to reshape and change everything.
Sid: Well, you know doctors say that stress is like a common denominator for the roots of just about every sickness under the sun and I can’t think of anything that would put you in a stress less environment than your music saturating someone’s home.
Grace: Yes, yes its powerful Sid when you talk about that the physical body actually retains stress.
Sid: I know and do you know what happens, I don’t believe it I drive a car, I feel as calm as can be and I get out of the car and I take my blood pressure and it’s high. So my body doesn’t know what my mind thinks is going on. Somehow the body reacts to all the stimulus that’s going on all around it.
Grace: Yes, because we were made to worship Him Sid, we were created to worship Him so our physical body responds to that presence, it responds to that worship. And that’s why it’s so awesome when we soak in His presence you know, it’s like sometimes when you have stains on your laundry or whatever, you have to put it into the soaking sink for a little bit and put some detergent on there and I think about that as the presence of God. You know when we have stains, when we have issues, when we need healing we have these things that need to be removed and only the presence of God and soaking and spending that time in His presence can remove those stains and take them away and bring us that freshness, that newness.
Sid: What do you want to be taken away into His presence? Do you want to be taken away into the secret place? Let’s have the title song of the CD “Take Me Away” lets have a selection from that. “Take Me Away.”
“Take Me Away” excerpt
Sid: That was from the brand new CD “Take Me Away” the title song actually called “Take Me Away.” Take me away into the presence of God and you know in your last CD Grace, you had so many testimonies of people that insomnia that were able to sleep through the night by just having this music quietly in the background, but I think that this CD will do even a better job of that. I know that it’s new, but are you getting any reports along those lines?
Grace: We are, we are getting reports of people having that overwhelming peace, you know it’s a very turbulent and stressful time for so many people. And I just got an email in fact from a woman and she said, “This past year she said I’ve gone through everything imaginable and then some and I stumbled across your music and she said this CD, she downloaded some songs and she said this CD has brought me such incredible peace. She said the it’s the only CD that I listen to now because I just keep it going in my car, on my computer and in my home because it brings such incredible peace and such incredible presence she said, I know that this has been a tool that God has used to sustain me
Sid: And I have to tell you something, I look forward everyday and lately I have a big confession I haven’t been able to do it the last few days because things have just been so hectic, but do you know what when things are so hectic that’s even more reason to spend time with God. But, I just take about an hour and I close my door, I put a little sign “in prayer” and I put a CD on and I soak in the presence of God. And see the soaking in the presence of God is accumulative and the more I soak the more the presence of God that is released through my life. And one of my favorite soaking CDs was by Grace Williams and it’s called “Fire Fall” and then she sent me a gift of her second CD. And I have to tell you that normally when someone has a top music CD, when they come out with a second one it usually doesn’t, to me it is not as good as the first one that was the hit. Well, this new one is called “Take Me Away” and I have to tell you from my perception it out does “Fire Fall” and so I was so exciting that I invited Grace Williams and her mother Jerry to be guests again. And Jerry for those that did not hear our first interview, I am very very intrigued at your ancestry; your great great great grandfather was someone I wish I had met. Tell us about him.
Jerry: He was a preacher on holiness that was mantled with a tangible glory of God. He went up and down the coast of California, right before the Civil War. And it was written of him when he was in San Francisco, which was a very debauched outlaw, sailor town at that time. When he sent in and preached he glowed in the pulpit, he burned, his words poured forth in a mouton flood and his face shone like he had a furnace heated within. And it was so amazing that they said that you could feel the mighty blast of God’s blowing breath. He was actually transfigured before the people as he preached holiness. He actually traveled on horseback up and down the coast of California into Oregon and in his journals that God has been entrusted into me his fingers were frozen almost too stiff to write and he had to reach the military post by night or else he would be attacked by the Indians and he was a great man of courage.
Sid: Abraham Lincoln visited his church.
Grace: Yes, he did. He was at one time a Methodist circuit rider preacher up the east and Abraham Lincoln actually came to his church. So you know he wasn’t religious because I know that Abraham Lincoln was not a religious man but a godly man that loved Spirit and Truth. So…
Sid: Well, I have some notes here about this great, great, great grandfather of yours and the prayer for his sons and daughters of which that’s you and that’s your daughter and the prayer was “The fire that burns within me will be their heritage.”
Jerry: Yes.
Sid: And now let’s talk about your daughter, Grace. She had an attack on her life from the very beginning, she should have died. Tell me about that briefly.
Jerry: Yes, she was born premature and there was water on her lungs and her chest would concave inches, one or two inches just to breath. And she was given up that she would not live and then miraculous the Lord came in and breathed on her and she was made whole and divinely healed. And her lungs today she uses her lungs for His Glory, so He’s so amazing.
Sid: Isn’t it amazing though here she is a singer and where is the attack? On her lungs!
Jerry: Yes.
Sid: I mean, you don’t have to be a mental giant to see that the devil tried to snuff her life out. And then the other thing that intrigues me immensely about her is that when she was just three years of age she was filled with the Spirit and spoke in tongues. How’d you pull that off Jerry?
Jerry: That was an amazing encounter which is God’s grace because I was rocking her older sister and trying to encourage her to be filled with the Spirit and I just heard these little melodies from heaven laughing over in the corner, it was Grace. She was just a toddler cruising around and the first thing I knew she was singing and praying in the Spirit. She just picked up from the atmosphere in the room.
Sid: Why did you call her Grace?
Jerry: I called her Grace because when God did something that we were incapable of doing ourselves with His grace, that which we cannot do and He alone can do. So how he saved her and…
Sid: Now did you have the name Grace before she was born or after?
Grace: After she was born because I was not particularly a believer at that time and I know after He healed her we literally felt the presence of God, the atmosphere of Heaven come in.
Sid: Speaking of the presence of God in the atmosphere of Heaven, let’s hear that selection from this new CD “Take Me Away.”
CD “Take Me Away” worship excerpt (about 4 minutes)
Sid: Grace tell me what was going on inside of you when you were recording this CD “Take Me Away?”
Grace: Well as the Lord was shaping my newest CD “Take Me Away” He spoke to me that this would be a musical revelation, a prophetic impartation of Psalm 91. And that Psalm is so beautiful because it talks about being hidden in God and being hidden in the shelter of the Almighty.
Sid: It also talks about every conceivable problem a human could have in this life. So if someone could get that impartation from music, wow!
Grace: Yes, the overall theme is fear nothing, you know God is with you His outstretched arms are there to protect you, you are safe. And exactly what you said, there’s going to be, there’s wolves and there’s going to be snakes, but we through you know God’s protection we are going to trample on these snakes. No evil, no evil can even get close to us when we have His angels to guard us and keep us and protect us and it is such a safe place being hidden in the shelter of the Almighty.
Sid: Well, I can tell you one thing, since I personally use this and this is my favorite soaking music I can tell you that my office reeks of peace. Has anyone said to you, “They feel such peace on your music?”
Grace: Oh yes, we have testimonies all the time.
Sid: Oops, our time is up.
Sid: Now, you were red hot, but not for the Messiah Dennis Walker when you broke your toe. Ouch, that must have really hurt.
Dennis: Ha-ha, I was dancing.
Sid: I’m sure. Tell us what happened.
Dennis: You know how it is in the early morning when it is dark, you get up and you are walking and not totally awake, well I hit my toe against a real heavy piece of furniture.
Sid: Yes, I have done that and ouch is right.
Dennis: Yeah, it was and so you dance awhile and in the dark I continue to get dressed but about the middle of the day this thing just started throbbing; every beat of my heart it was just intense pain. And so I finally took off my shoe and saw that it had swelled up really big and turned black and blue all across the front of the foot. And so I laid on my bed waiting for this thing to kind of subside but it just got worse and worse. And I kind a figured at that point I had broken bones before; I kind a figured I had broken my toe, two days before I have to travel to another country. And my wife came in and she looked at my toe and she said, oh you poor thing, and I said listen; I don’t want pity I want an initiative from Heaven! And so she called a couple of our friends, Dennis needs healing, let’s get quiet, hear what God says to do right now.
Sid: And by the way, that’s what he means by initiative from Heaven, not your formula, not what you’ve seen happen on TV. Not even the person that thinks well maybe I need to put the tent in my living room like Dennis did. No, an initiative from Heaven is unique at that moment by God just for that person. What did God have unique from Heaven just for you?
Dennis: Well, my friend John was there and he said I just saw to do something, but it really looked stupid and my wife said, good that’s the kind that really work. And so he said, what I saw was simply to pour water on his toe. So we took a bottle and opened the top and poured some water on my toe and it did look, very stupid. It looked very powerless, but it was an initiative of Heaven directed from Heaven to bring healing on my toe. Almost instantly, in fact instantly the pain started subsiding within a few minutes all the pain was gone. I actually went out to watch the news on TV, turned on the TV and propped up my feet, and I looked down about ten minutes later, fifteen minutes later and all the black and blue , all the swelling everything was gone. My toe and my foot was 100% healed and I actually got up and started walking around testing it. There was absolutely no pain.
Sid: Now, there is something called the power of the testimony, I believe as Dennis shared this if you have a broken bone or if you have pain of any kind, I believe Dennis could pray for you right now and it would disappear. Some it won’t be until tomorrow, but most it will be instant, would you pray for people right now Dennis?
Dennis: I will, in fact I am already getting something, that there are people listening to this radio broadcast who you have had serious problems going on with your liver to the point where your life is at risk and I believe God wants you to know right now how much He loves you. See that’s the big message, through all of these things, is God is pouring out His love on people and He wants you to know that he cares for you and He loves you. And I proclaim over those people with problems in the liver whether it be sucrose of liver or whether it be damage through some disease or some virus, I command healing on that liver. I command every duct of the liver to open up and begin to flow and for the liver to function, come back to 100% functionality. And I believe right now that even inflammation and swelling throughout your body, water retention and other things is absolutely being turned around because of this liver functioning the way it’s caused your spoken by God to function. Somebody right now, you have been having a problem with one of the valves of your heart and I see almost like it functions but not to its capacity, it’s almost like a lazy valve or some sort or a valve that isn’t closing all the way and I command right now for a recreation of the way that valve functions, the muscles and the way they control and valve and I proclaim right now absolute healing. Anyone with congestive heart failure, I proclaim right now that the congestive nature of that heart is being turned around and for the fluids that have been building up to go in Jesus name. I proclaim the veins in all the different parts around the heart are absolutely refurbished, he-he restored by the hand of God in Jesus name.
Sid: You know plaque can’t stand against the blood of Jesus, that’s what he just prayed, if you have clogged arteries he just prayed that for you that those arteries are going to flow like a river, just like the river of God that is flowing the this studio right now. Just like the river of God that is flowing throughout your body right now, it’s opening up those clogged arties, right now in Jesus name. And as a matter of fact, the spirit of pain, you’ve been had, when Dennis shared his testimony about his broken toe, you don’t need water on you, the word of God is enough. And the word of God says that pain must bow under the name of Jesus. So in the name of Jesus I command pain to bow and to leave right now and backs are being healed, I mean this is so amazing. Any pain that you have in your body, whether it be in your back, whether it be in your neck, whether it be in your shoulder do something that you couldn’t do before and watch what God has just done.
Dennis: Oh, and God’s love is evident to you, this is His love reaching you, He wants to give you the clear message I know you and I know about you I know your pain and I know your situations. Someone has been having difficulty in relationships with children. These are grown children, I have seen grown children that have absolutely come to not forgive and be at odds with the parents. God says I know your condition, that this has made you miserable and I proclaim that I am about to bring transformation into the family. You are going to have the family healed and touched by the power of the Messiah.
Sid: And isn’t that what God really wants, God wants Christian homes to be the head and not the tail and doesn’t want these long chronic misunderstandings to just fester and have poison come. I mean did you hear that, he has just set your house free? God just set your house free, so you can have a real Mishpochah, a real family, set in God’s order, the Heaven order.
Dennis: Yeah, the Messiah has come to this home today; I’m just hearing the words of Zaccheus being echoed throughout history.
Sid: You know what? You’ve got to share that lady in Peru where you had a picture of someone with a hand and with a scar below the fingers.
Dennis: This was amazing amazing encounter, I was in a meeting in a church in Oc Alta, Peru one of the bigger jungle cities and at the end of the meeting I got quiet. Lord what do you want to do right now. And it so clearly in my mind, I saw a hand with kind at the palm, the heel of the hand and the small finger was not functional any longer. And so I held up my hand is there someone here that has a scar in this part of the hand and this finger doesn’t function and there was a lady who was standing in the back door of the church and she raised her hand, that’s me. And I said come and let me see it; it was exactly what I had seen in my mind. This was it, so I got quiet again, Lord what do you want me to do right now? And the Lord gave another word of knowledge and that was this woman has just had a fight with someone she loves. So, and so I asked her, did you just have a fight with someone you love and she just began to weep and cry and she said, I just had a fight with the man that live with and he threw me out of the house. I was walking down the street, I saw people standing in this doorway, I put my head in to see what was going on and you asked if there was someone with this on their hand? This woman wasn’t even part of the church; she was just walking down, contemplating what to do with her life after having this explosion. So the Lord said, she needs to receive salvation, so I just simply asked her, “Would you like to receive the Lord Jesus Christ, His Spirit to come live in your heart so that you can have His help, the help from Heaven for every need you have and she said yes. So I prayed with her and she asked Jesus to come and live inside her, she is still weeping and then I got quiet again. Lord, what do you want to do next, and the Lord said, simply place your hand on her head and bless her. So I asked her if I could do that, she said, yes, I laid my hand on her head and I wasn’t able to pronounce even three words before she started jumping up and down and speaking in tongues and after about five minutes of that she got quiet she looked at me and said, what was that? I told her that you need to sit with the pastor over here on the front row; he is going to tell you everything that just happened. So he went through scriptures and showed her what had just happened and the following day she came back for the next nights’ meetings with twenty some people that she had been talking to about all that had happened and all of them gave their heart to the Lord.
Sid: Do you realize what he’s saying right now? That if you are a pastor if you have a house congregation; if you start operating under the initiatives of Heaven you won’t have a building large enough to contain all of the people that are going to flock there. But what is going to be even better than you operating that way, how about every member of your churches operate that way. We won’t have coliseums big enough to hold all of the people… because when you hear from God and do it you never miss. I like it that way…
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah; it’s so hard for me to believe that my good friend, Rabbi Michael Zeitler went through a pass like we’ve been talking about. He was raised in a nice Jewish home, both parents Jewish. He was Bar Mitvahed like most Jewish people. Then he went off a little bit, we went into drugs, and sex and alcohol and rock music. In fact you were a musician, right Michael?
Michael: That’s correct, yes I was a singer and I played the Blues Harp, the harmonica in a Rock band.
Sid: But then, I mean for a Jewish person, he gets involved in witchcraft, in Wicca reading tarot cards; then he goes into forms of Buddhism, he chants three hours a day. He’s got these beads, what you do with these beads Michael?
Michael: Well, what I did you had them in our hands and we’d rub them together and they would make this very strange noise as we were praying, were rubbing these beads together. I have no idea what it meant.
Sid: But as a Jew how could you do that?
Michael: Ha ha ha ha ha, I told you, Jewish people they have a nick name, wandering Jews, and so I was a seeker.
Sid: Okay, speaking of wandering you then wandered to Peru with your girl friend, she wants you to see her parents, it happens to be Resurrection Sunday time and you don’t want to go to church because you’re Jewish? Why didn’t you want to go, oh I remember, because when you were eight years old you had that trauma.
Michael: I had that going on Sid all the way up until I was twenty one.
Sid: I mean, when you heard the name Jesus, what happened to you, when you heard His name mentioned?
Michael: Sid, every time I would hear the name of Jesus spoken to me, all the way from the time I was eight years old until…
Sid: That’s when you were called Christ killer and you went home crying.
Michael: Yes, my friend had a yellow broom stick in his hand he was slamming it down in the middle of the street yelling and screaming at me, saying I killed Jesus, that I was a Jew. After that, I would smell an infant’s vomit strongly in my nostrils every time the name Jesus was mentioned from that point.
Sid: Okay, so you are definitely not going to go to church with your girl friend in Peru for an Easter Service because you know that you are going to hear the name Jesus. So you find you’re looking for a movie that is in English that may not be too easy in Peru to find a movie. Did you find one?
Michael: I found one.
Sid: What was it called?
Michael: Hahahaha, Jesus Christ Superstar.
Sid: How could you go to that? But that was better than church I guess.
Michael: That and also because you got to remember I was a Hippie, so this was like a Hippie thing and I didn’t want to go to any of the other movies that were playing because they were all passion plays, and I did not want to see that. So I went to see Jesus Christ Superstar and as I said, you know God can use a donkey so he could use anything. And during that movie supernaturally God delivered me from that smell.
Sid: In other words every time that he heard the name Jesus he would almost get sick to his stomach and all of a sudden instantly he was delivered. So then you decide to go to the Catholic Church, did you become Catholic?
Michael: No.
Sid: Why, you became Buddhist, you became a witch, why not Catholic?
Michael: Hahahaha it was too far to go.
Sid: Okay, but you did pick up a couple of saints. Tell me about that.
Michael: Yes, while I was in Lima living there for eight months in Peru and Lima is Capital of Peru I picked up the Patron Saint of Lima, St. Rose Santa Rosa. And also the black saint of Peru which is the only black Saint in the hierarchy of saints in Catholicism, San Martin de Porres, I took them home with me.
Sid: Statues of them
Michael: I had a big framed picture of Jesus with a bleeding heart. Hahahaha
Sid: You go full circle, hahaha. Okay, so you go home with your two statues and your girl friend, you marry her and how did that marriage work out by the way?
Michael: It worked out wonderfully for ten years; I had a beautiful son who is now thirty-one years old, Jeremy and a beautiful daughter Alisha who is now twenty-eight. She was on your program a number of years ago. And then after I came to accept the Lord a number of years later you know during the marriage, the tenth year of our marriage I was no longer the fun party animal that my wife enjoyed and fell in love with. She felt I was like a priest around the house, and she made that statement. And little by little she got more and more turned off to me being this on fire believer that was running around chasing all our friends away because of who I was witnessing to and why I was witnessing to them. And eventually she decided to divorce me because she could no longer live with this zealous believer.
Sid: Okay, you get invited while you are still married, you get invited to an organization that I actually started speaking for almost the moment I became a believer and that’s the Full Gospel Businessman’s Fellowship International. It’s a group of businessmen that have a luncheon or have a dinner and they invite people and you were invited and at the end of the meeting were you surprised when a Jewish man walked up to you and started talking to you?
Michael: Yes, very much.
Sid: Tell me about that.
Michael: He introduced himself as Joe Cohen.
Sid: And Cohen, you come from the Cohan’s which is the priests of Israel. But go ahead.
Michael: I didn’t know that there were Jewish people that believed in Yeshua. I was shocked. I thought everybody was Gentile that believed in Yeshua and when he came up to me after I had been asked by the person who was the President of that chapter to give my testimony of what I’m telling you now on the phone and this interview to 150 people public speaking for the first time in my life. And after I gave this whole story, he came up to me at the very end of the dinner.
Sid: But wait a second, why would they ask you to share, you weren’t really a believer in Jesus?
Michael: I don’t know? I have no idea to this day I don’t why Norman Sherry asked me to give my story, because it wasn’t really a testimony, you know to have a testimony you have to have a test.
Sid: Okay, so this Cohen fellow comes up to you and what does he say?
Michael: He says that was a nice story, but do you know Jesus? And I said, no.
Sid: Now, we Jewish people, we cut right to the quick, do you know Jesus?
Michael: Hahahaha.
Sid: Okay, you said no, then what?
Michael: Then he proceeded to take me outside, because they were closing up and we were in the parking lot for over an hour till about 1:30 in the morning and he told me his testimony about being a gambler, about being involved in drugs and all of his life and how he changed and after he explained everything, it made perfect sense. And so he asked me if I wanted to accept Yeshua and I said yes, and I prayed with him that night and accepted the Lord for the first time.
Sid: Okay, and then he tells you you need to go to a congregation to get mentored and disciple and you need to be immersed in the Holy Spirit. It didn’t take long, you got rid of all of your charms and amulets and statues ha-ha, and you renounced your sin and then tell me about your immersion in the Holy Spirit.
Michael: Well, after I called up Norman Sherry the next day, I was so excited and on fire for the Lord and this change…
Sid: Do you know what every congregation in America needs, a brand new Jewish believer like Michael Zeitler, am I right Michael?
Michael: Yes.
Sid: I mean this would cause that life from the dead resurrection power in your congregation. Okay, you called him.
Michael: Okay, I called him up and said is there anything else to the Full Gospel Businessman. And he enticed me by coming to a free dinner that was the only reason why I went honestly because he was inviting me to a free dinner. I didn’t know what it was about. So I said, is there anything else going on, he said yes, there is a breakfast this Saturday; so all of this is taking place so far in a week’s time. So Saturday I go and they say to me tell the people that you are Jewish and you accepted the Lord, well I was afraid, because I thought that maybe they would be persecuting me because of that. And then the president of this other chapter said, “Do you have the baptism of the Holy Spirit?” I said no, I didn’t even know what he was talking about. And at the end of the meeting he invited those that wanted to receive the baptism to come forward. I came forward; a number of men laid hands on me, he’s saying there it is, there it is, I’m like, there is what? All of a sudden a bubbling going on in my stomach and a stirring, I feel something coming out of my throat and the next thing I know I’m speaking in another language and I can’t stop for two your hours and I’m shaking like a leaf.
Sid: Two hours?
Michael: Couldn’t stop, I tried to close my jaw and it would pop open and I’d keep going.
Sid: I’ll tell you though that when you receive the anointing for miracles, we’ll pick up right there on tomorrows broadcast. But Mishpochah something so wonderful is happening in Rabbi Michael’s ministry now, I’m speaking to him by way of telephone, he is in Peru and the most outrageous miracles are happening when he talks about the miracles of Israel it’s like God is so pleased the presence of God just radiates. Then for some reason, I shouldn’t say some reason, the shofar, the rams horn is a supernatural instrument when he blows that rams horn so many miracles have happened in the last few months?
Michael: Over a thousand.
Sid: Over a thousand and how many people have been saved?
Michael: Over two hundred.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah; Mark Virkler’s come out with a series called “Prayers That Heal the Heart.” It’s on eight CDs and it’s got seven supernatural prayers that covers every imaginable base to remove the anchors or the legal rights that spirits have and then they have to leave. And people that have had problems and sickness, problems with certain emotions like fear that have been successive, problems with addictions, they’re getting free. I wonder Mark if you would explain to me what a heart is like that needs to be healed and what a heart is like that’s been healed.
Mark: Alright, that’s a great question Sid because a lot of times we don’t realize our need for deliverance and I didn’t realize my need for deliverance and when Kaye Cox prayed for me she cast out a good twenty demons or so. And so I asked the question afterwards, “How could I had twenty demons inside of me and been a Spirit-filled pastor for the Lord and not known I needed deliverance?” And the Lord gave me a definition of a healed heart, He said a healed heart is a heart that is full of faith, hope and love. 1 Corinthians 13:13 “Faith, Hope and Love now abide, faith, hope and love. The abiding realities; they go into eternity and a healed heart is a heart that has that in it and an unhealed heart is a heart that has any opposite of faith, hope and love in it. So the opposites of course of faith would be things like, fear, doubt, unbelief. Opposite of Hope would be rejection, abandonment, loneliness; opposite of love would be anger, hatred, rage and bitterness; so those would be heart wounds. We would consider each one of those categories a heart wound: fear, doubt, unbelief is a heart wound. Rejection, abandonment, loneliness is a heart wound and demons can live there. So if there is any area of my life or your life that you can look at and say I don’t have faith, hope and love there. Like I look at my marriage do I have faith, hope and love this is going to be an exquisite marriage. Do I look at my finances and say I have faith, hope and love; I’m going to have abundance and no lack. Do I look at my children and my ministry and say I have faith, hope and love there. If there is any area that you can look at and say I don’t have faith hope and love there then that’s a heart wound that needs some prayer ministry.
Sid: Mark as a pastor you had a very effective deliverance ministry and then when you saw just not getting results, you pray and nothing would happen, did you figure that maybe you didn’t have a deliverance ministry?
Mark: Ha-ha-ha, well I obviously knew I did have a deliverance ministry because I cast thousands of demons out of hundreds of people.
Sid: So why did you stop?
Mark: Well, because I’m a theologian primarily and I got very frustrated theologically because I commanded a demon for an hour to come out in the Name of Jesus and it wouldn’t move and I said, “I’m so confused theologically I’m not going forward in this area anymore, I’m sorry.”
Sid: Okay, so you stopped for at least a decade what caused you to start again?
Mark: Ha-ha well, I got messed up in my own heart, my own heart picked up wounds during that ten to twelve year period and…
Sid: It’s fairly easy to pick up wounds by being in ministry; actually it’s pretty easy to pick up wounds by being a human.
Mark: Well, it really is you know, I got fired from a job or two, and I had a few people reject me from the things that I was saying so I picked up a spirit of rejection and a self rejection and I picked up anger and hatred towards those whose who fired me. And so I had demons of anger and hatred and rejection and fear and fear of rejection and doubt and unbelief and all of them were attacking me. And the way it would manifest for me is that I got into a situation that was the least bit fearful I would feel something rise up within my heart and grip me, it would rise up and grip me and I would be terrified. And I said, “Man you know the situation is a little bit threatening but this fear owns me, it’s gripping me, it’s driving me and when something rises up and gripes you then that’s a good clue that it’s a demon.
Sid: Okay, tell me about your experience with this woman, I’m not familiar with her “Kaye Cox.”
Mark: Yeah, Kaye Cox she was in Austria in the first seminar I went to. Her husband was a surgeon and he said, that some of the third world patients he had he would give them to his wife and she would do prayer ministry and they wouldn’t need surgery afterwards and so…
Sid: She’s going to put him out of business!
Mark: Well, that’s why he didn’t give her all of his people… Ha-ha and so I said, “Do you think that she would pray for me?” And so he asked her and him and her got together and prayed for me the next day. She spent about three hours and they cast about twenty demons out of me. But they did more than that, before they cast the demons out they removed all the legal rights, the legal anchors that the demons had to get there. They did inner healing prayer, breaking soul ties, ungodly beliefs, inner vows, inner healing, word curses and they went through and had me repent in all those different areas and that was removing the anchor that the demons were tied to and once the anchors were gone the legal rights were gone then she was able to cast the demons out very very easily and then the lights when on for me. And then I said, “Now I understand why I couldn’t get that demon out even though I hollered for an hour at it in the Name of Jesus to leave because the demon had a legal right to be in the person’s life because the person had unconfessed sin. And if we can break the legal rights and the anchors first then deliverance is easy.
Sid: Just out of curiosity, when you had that session with Kaye and she cast these demons out of you you had been in ministry for how many years?
Mark: Oh, probably a good fifteen to twenty years.
Sid: Okay, what was there a perceptible difference in the way you felt, I mean did you feel lighter? How did you feel?
Mark: Oh yeah, see now I can face a fearful situation and nothing rises up within me and grips me. Fear doesn’t rise up and gripe me and say, ah ha I own you, you know and now I don’t have anger rise up within me and say I hate this person, and control me and push me. And I don’t have doubt and unbelief rise up. You know my heart is free again, alright where it wasn’t free, I would have these things gripping my heart and there’s nothing inside now gripping my heart and pushing it in negative directions. The only thing gripping my heart is the Holy Spirit saying, “Why don’t you forgive, why don’t you love, why don’t you be nice?”
Sid: Tell me about the early church, we’ve kind of lost a lot of things from the early church, but was there view on deliverance?
Mark: Well, one of the books I read many many years ago said that in the early church before people got saved, they automatically took everyone through deliverance as part of their preparation for water baptism and then they water baptized them; so it was normal and natural for everyone, everybody to experience deliverance.
Sid: And do you know what’s kind of interesting is in books that I have read that after they ministered a little bit to the person they would exercise their faith just as in your series after someone dismantles all of the; you call them the anchors that are allowing the legal rights of that demon to be there, after that’s all dismantled you pray for the demon to leave. Well what they use to believe is after everything is dismantled you just put someone and immersed them in water and when they come up they are free of every demon. I kind of like that.
Mark: Well, I like that too, you know we’ve heard stories today about people who went into the water of baptism and they were smokers and when they came out totally delivered from nicotine and they believed when then went into the waters they would be delivered and because they believed God met them. And so yeah, we could train Christians, the young believers why don’t you believe to be totally set free of the power of darkness as you go through these baptism waters and if you’ll believe that God will break this all off you.
Sid: Well what difference would it have made to you if you had gotten rid of all these legal rights, if these seven supernatural prayers had been prayed over you and every spirit was cast out when you first started as a believer? Can you imagine the difference?
Mark: You know I could have been a lot further down the road I think, because you know when you are believing people are going to reject you that doesn’t really facilitate an effective ministry because you are sending out waves of belief saying to the person I think you ought to reject me and there spirit hears that from my spirit, I think I should reject the guy. So I went through a lot of rejection in those early years just because I believed that’s what was going to happen.
Sid: Well, you have some amazing testimonies of people that have gone through your course and what’s happened with them and will talk about some of them later on this week. But what do you feel like after you have taught this course and a hundred, two hundred people have these spirits cast out of them and their whole lives are changed, their whole destiny’s are changed?
Mark: Ha-ha, well I tell you, yeah I’m over the top I am just as happy as I can possibly be, cause I’ll stay to the church and preach on Sunday because we do the deliverance on Saturday afternoon and evening usually and boy will share testimonies and they’ll say, “I’m free, I’m free, I’m free, I’m light, I’m light, I’m healed,” and it’s so rewarding to see the power of God transform a person’s life to deliverance for ministry. It is just one of the greatest things that I’ve experienced.
Sid: Give me something that just happened, a testimony that was just set free.
Mark: Well, I’ll give you one from three days ago. I was at Living Waters Ranch out in Idaho this last weekend and at the end of the seminar we broke into groups to pray for people who needed physical healing and one of the ladies in my group she had a neck wound. She was in a car accident years ago and her neck, her vertebrae hurt her for many many years and we prayed for healing for that neck. One of the things I prayed for was for deliverance for any demons attached to that neck to leave it. And as we prayed that she said she felt something leave her neck, and we got done praying and she moved her neck all the way around in directions that she had not been able to move it for years. And she said even though she had been prayed for several times for healing of her neck she had never had deliverance prayer and she felt that prayer and she felt that demon leave and it restored full mobility to her neck.
Sid: This may be the key for all types of healings, but this has to be basic, basic, basic; the first type of discipleship for every new believer but the sad thing is most believer’s haven’t gone through this and so where ever you are at it is time to go through it and help others go through it.
Sid: You know many years ago I was a stock broker in Merrill Lynch and we were taught that it’s really wrong to get inside information, you can get in trouble over that and you could lose your license as stock broker. But guess what, we have a book called the Bible that gives us inside information about what’s going to happen from today till the return of Jesus and even after. For instance, I can tell you what’s going to happen to many nations in the world. And my guest he’s put together a book so that you will finally finally understand end time Bible prophecy called “God’s War on Terror” Islam prophecy in the Bible. His name is Walid Shoebat, and Walid tell me about some of these nations that are in the headlines today, what’s going to happen…let’s take the one where the revolt really started, Egypt. What’s going to happen to Egypt, what’s their fate?
Walid: Well, you could have a civil war in Egypt, because in Isaiah 19 “The Lord comes riding in a swift cloud that is coming into Egypt. When He comes to Egypt it is clear, it says an Egyptian will go against an Egyptian, brother against brother, neighborhood against neighborhood; so it’s clear Egypt is doomed to basically self destruct as this revolution will collapse be basically taken over in the future. It will be taken over by the Anti-Christ because even Daniel tells us Egypt, Libya and Cush, which is Sudan and Somalia will follow at his footsteps will follow him in submission. Islam literally means submission. They will follow the Anti-Christ. It is very difficult to have a European Anti-Christ with all of these Islamic hordes following him. It doesn’t make any sense so the fate of Egypt is clear; also the fate of all the Islamic countries are clear if you want me to share…
Sid: Tell me about Syria.
Walid: Well, Syria Damascus will cease to exist in one day and that is a believe in Isaiah…
Sid: Well, if I were a stock broker I wouldn’t be buying any stock in Syria right now.
Walid: It wouldn’t be a good idea, in fact Isaiah tells us from 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 you know it’s amazing including in Isaiah 21 that God will destroy Arabia the burden against Arabia. So it’s pretty clear.
Sid: So Saudi Arabia has some problems too.
Walid: That’s correct, it’s going to get nuked because Elam, which is Iran, Persian will arise and destroy it. Saudi Arabia is that Harlot that the Bible talked about and the beast must burn the harlot, they must burn their holy place. It is not farfetched. God says I will put it in their heart to do such a thing. God will burn Arabia with the oil with it by the hands of the Muslim nations. If you think that this is farfetched then we need to ask the question in the 1st gulf war, how was it possible that the Muslim world was silent when Saddam Hussein lobed scuds at Saudi Arabia?
Sid: Speaking of that, I don’t want to digress too much, but I was recently talking to a man that watches the news and in particularly CNN and he said, how can Israel be so inhuman, how can most of the press be supported of Israel when they murder innocent women and children? When they attach the Palestinians and the people you know that are having the scud missiles? It’s horrible to scud missiles, but how can they kill these innocent children and women? What would you say to him?
Walid: Well, we are looking at only one part of the equation, Israel retaliating. This kind of analysis is a faulty analysis, because we have to understand that every day in Israel buses blowing up, cafés and restaurants people being murdered.
Sid: Well, I’m told many of the Palestinians put the woman and children out as human shields to protect their scud missiles.
Walid: Well look, I know the subject very well because my cousin Irene Shoebat was a famous suicide bomber who was behind the operation of Rezone Letdowns (?) in which three Israeli’s died and of course when the Israeli’s retaliated they will always position their terror factories, their bomb factories amidst a major population. You look at Mohammed Ambout a very well wanted terrorist in my village in which when he was finally executed by Israel the entire walked into the ceremony of the martyr; which mean the people themselves are very much imbed with the terrorists and support the terrorists and allow the terrorists to set camp in their midst. This calls for high casualty which is not the fault of Israel but the fault of the cowards who are murdering their own children by the hands of Israel.
Sid: Well why, if it’s unequal, unjust waste which it is why doesn’t the world see it? Why is the world on the Palestinian side?
Walid: Because the world hates the Bible, because the Bible declares that that land belongs to Israel. And the world who don’t want to believe and reject the Bible; reject Israel because of the hatred to God. It’s really a war on God and this is why Christopher Hitchens author a book is “God is not great.” I dare him to author a book “Allah is not great.” No such thing will ever happen.
Sid: Okay, what about what we’ve talked about a lot about these Muslim countries and your book goes into detail, I mean you will know what is going to happen before it happens, what about Israel? What’s going to happen to Israel with all this money and all of these nations have aiming their guns at Israel and their bombs?
Walid: Well, eventually a war will commence coming from Turkey, holding hands with Iran against Israel in which Jerusalem will be invaded. In fact the Bible tells us half the city shall go into captivity. In other words not even all the city is occupied by the armies of the Anti-Christ. Which tells me that the Anti-Christ doesn’t rule the globe; he only occupies half the city to Jerusalem. The women will be raped in the old city of Jerusalem in which will cause jealousy among the Jewish population in which the Bible tells us and the feeble amongst Jews that will fight like King David. That’s when the Messiah will land on the Mount of Olives.
Sid: So the Jews will become super warriors at that point.
Walid: Absolutely, absolutely it will be a tremendous day, the day of the Lord, in which we will all join with Christ in that battle.
Sid: Okay, now out of just curiosity it seems like all the action is the Middle East. What’s happening to us in America? Are we going to survive? Are we Swiss cheese, what’s going on?
Walid: No, we will survive, because it says in the Bible in Daniel chapter 11 that the Anti-Christ declares war on the strongest fortresses. The strongest fortresses in this case will be the west, will be the might of the United States of America. Some might argue and say well that means he will defeat America. No such thing is written in the Bible; in fact the Bible tells us the opposite is true; that the most powerful of the nations will defeat the Anti-Christ. It is basically the wrong message when we tell people America will go down. It’s not true.
Sid: Okay, they are going to get your book but tell me about…I was amazed on your understanding and of course I shouldn’t have been amazed because of your background; of the crescent moon, explain that to me.
Walid: Well, the crescent moon is called in Arabic language or Aramaic language, Hay ell.
Sid: That’s the symbol of Islam?
Walid: That’s correct it’s the symbol of Islam, but biblically it’s also the symbol of Lucifer.
Sid: Really!
Walid: Hosea fourteen, how aren’t thou fallen from heaven oh Hillel bin solar. Look at the Hebrew, not the word Lucifer, which is a Latin word, the Hebrew word says, Hillel which means brightness, it also means crescent moon. In fact the nick name of Lucifer in the Bible is always been crescent moon. It is the Bel, the Bel was the horns, the two horns resembling the crescent moon. In fact every knee will bow; every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord in the New Testament. We must also look at the Old Testament in Isaiah 45 and 46, Bel bows, there’s Bel, the moon god, Bel bows, Nebo stoops. But when it says every knee will bow, every tongue will confess, Bel bows, it’s pretty clear. Even Arthur Jeffrey who is one of the greatest historians on Islam said that Bel is the moon god. In fact even Christ will take the moon god and He will cast it down to the ground in fulfillment of Psalm Chapter 83 in which he will be like Gideon fulfilling Judges Chapter 8:21 when he casts the crescents to the ground.
Sid: What goes on inside of you with your background, Walid when you hear our politicians on television saying Islam is a peace loving religion? What goes on inside, I mean when I’ve seen these facts that you have in your book I know what goes on inside of me, but someone like you coming as an ex-Muslim terrorist, how do you feel?
Walid: I look at them and I see them in fear, but we must always understand that the Bible tells us that the cowards will not inherit the kingdom. We cannot be believers and be cowards, the cowards will not inherit the kingdom, it is very clear. We cannot be Christians and be cowards at the same time. For the ones that coward to Islam are not one of the children of God, they will reject God.
Sid: You know, I feel a lot of news people are afraid to say what they know about Islam.
Walid: That is correct. I’m sorry we are out of time.
Sid: Now several years ago I got the thought there are so many Jewish people trapped in the New Age. There are so many Christians that are in mixture and they don’t even know it, trapped in aspects of the New Age. Perhaps one of the most exciting evangelistic and/training books I can do is to the same format I did for Jewish people “They Thought For Themselves we followed that format in which I took the testimonies of Ten Jewish people that thought for themselves and became believers in Jesus with commentaries at the end of each of the testimonies. Maybe I should do that same thing for the New Age and of course I knew my friend, Mike Shreve and Mike had a background before he became a believer as I did also in the New Age so I brainstormed with him a little bit and I said, why don’t I take some of the people that I have interviewed and some of the people that you know and do a book? And let’s come up with a title and the title we came up with which is brilliant for people in the New Age “Truth Seekers” subtitled “Ten Amazing People Who Found It.” And Mike was the editor and put it together and I am so excited, what am I excited about? Because of the potential, now for starters for some of you that really don’t know what the word New Age means, “What does it mean, Mike Shreve?”
Mike: Well the term “New Age” actually stems back to astrology, I’m sure some of the people listening to this broadcast remember that song that was so popular in the latter ‘60s “The Age of Aquarius.” Well, that was talking about an astrological age; in astrology they believe the sun passes through houses as it goes around the earth. Of course that’s an old way of viewing the solar system and that each of those ages last about 2200 to 2400 years. And we happen to be according to astrological teaching in the Piscean age; which is an age of knowledge and reason and we’re about to enter into what they call according to that worldview the Age of Aquarius. Which is supposed to be an Age of great enlightenment where the human race walks in self realization and god consciousness and wars end and many of the problems and crisis’ that are going on in the world right now are solved; and we’re lifted to a whole new level of existence so it is a very hopeful optimistic way of looking at the future. And that’s where you get the word or the phrase rather, New Age; it’s an anticipation of an Age to come that will be a beautiful and harmonious and peaceful Age here on the earth.
Sid: You know as I hear you describe that it sounds like it is a perfect counterfeit of the Kingdom Age of God!
Mike: Absolutely.
Sid: I mean it’s a mirror perfect counterfeit of it!
Mike: It is, because in a very qualified sense you could call Christians “New Agers” because we do believe a new age is coming, but we do not believe in the way that it will evolve or come about as taught in “The New Age Movement.”
Sid: Also, as you share that I think about some of the other related movements on planet earth like the people that are after peace, no war and they have these bumper stickers, is that tied in with it?
Mike: Well, of course one of the basis tenants of the new age movement is the belief that all religions are different paths to the same god and you see a lot of bumper stickers promoting that idea that we can all live together having all the different religious symbols on the bumper sticker. And I do believe that we need to tolerate one another’s’ difference of opinion to the degree that we still respect the person even if we don’t embrace the beliefs. However, I do not believe as a Christian that you can synchronize or emerge all of these belief systems together. But that’s a basic fundamental idea or concept in New Age.
Sid: Now what about disarmament, is that part of it in your opinion?
Mike: Well certainly that will be part of the platform of the…
Sid: I mean, I remember when I interviewed you several years ago you you had a prophetic word that during the Obama administration there would be such a proliferation of nuclear weapons and it such looks like that’s true and yet there’s a move for disarmament which means if you could trust everyone, everything would be fine. But if you are dealing with liars as we are with many of these other countries I don’t think that it’s smart to disarm ourselves.
Mike: Not that we would ever want a nuclear war or that God would want a nuclear war, but to disarm ourselves is to place ourselves in a vulnerable position. I agree with you and the irony of the matter is that Obama has promoted, as part of his platform ridding not only our nation but other nations of nuclear weapons and thus hopefully making the world a safer place. Yet what God told me is that during his administration that will increase; but see there’s three things Sid that are moving us toward a one world government. Three forces that will provide the platform for the anti-Christ; one is economic, one is political, and the other is religious. And the first is comprised of the elite banking societies that want a one-world currency and so forth, they want control of the world through finance. The second, we can see that happening right before our eyes, individuals even in our government that are trying their best to dissolve our national sovereignty to blend us in with this new world order and that’s on both sides of the political spectrum, republican and democrats are working toward that end. But the new age movement is that third leg or that third pillar that is pushing us toward a one world government because it provides the philosophy necessary to synchronize all these religions; because in the new age movement it pulls Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, all together into one. And it says we are all in essence worshipping the same god and we are all basically saying the same thing. Which sounds beautiful to the ear, but when you really inspect the doctrinal base of different religions you see how impossibly, illogical such a statement is.
Sid: Well, you know Mike my heart in doing this book is I see it as so hugely evangelistic but I began to realize there are so many Christians that are involved in mixture and they don’t even know it. For instance, your background before becoming a believer in the Messiah was in the area of yoga. You taught at I believe it was four different universities; you had a couple a hundred students. Today, knowing what you know about yoga would you be involved in it?
Mike: Absolutely not! Half of yoga is the most basic simple physical form of exercise in yoga but there are many reasons why I no longer do it.
Sid: Tell me a couple of major ones.
Mike: Well, one of the major reasons is its spiritual roots are in Hinduism and it’s inextricable from Hinduism. The main purpose for Hoffa-yoga is to prepare a person’s body and soul for something they call the awaken of the kundalini. And the kundalini is a supposedly a coiled energy at the base of the spine and once it’s awakened it travels up through the spine and brings a person to enlightenment and is called, and now hold on to your seat, it’s called the serpent power. That’s what kundalini means.
Sid: But but but wait a second Mike, I have read that the exercise portion of yoga is very very healthy for an individual. What if someone is that their goal…they’re not interested in these spiritual things, they just want health?
Mike: Well, they’re putting themselves in a dangerous place though, if you walk into a studio where the statues of Buddha and Charisna and Shiva and pictures of gurus’, you may say well when they meditate, I’ll just say the Lord’s Prayer. When they chant ohm, I’ll just think about the name of Jesus. However, you are in an atmosphere which is impregnated with a demonic influence and you are positioning yourself in a very vulnerable place. I have people call me all the time desperate for me to pray for them that got involved in just Hoffa-yoga but they started having these arousals of energy of suddenly surging through their bodies.
Sid: But what if what if the teacher is even a church person?
Mike: Well, this is something people don’t realize Sid, and I know it because I’m very much in communication with leaders in the industry, in the Christian fitness industry. Most people don’t realize to be a Certified Yoga Teacher, even if it’s just plain old Hoffa-yoga, to be a Certified Yoga Teacher recognized by the yoga community you have to spend a certain amount of hours, I don’t remember what it is maybe a hundred, possibly two hundred hours studying under people who are given over to that far eastern mindset and studying Hindu scripture – debadas and so forth. And in order to receive your certification you have to be immersed in Far East philosophy. Very few people could do that without being tainted and what I warn people about is that if that yoga teacher is in any way given over to a New Age World view, even if they profess to be Christian, they believe all religions are different paths to the same god ect. ect; then by sitting underneath them and letting them dictate what you do and when you do it and yoga class you are submitting yourself to whatever spirit is in that room and whatever spirit…
Sid: And some of the articles that are in this book, I believe every Christian in America because I mean this is part of Satan’s end time strategy…