16 Apr 10 Sid Roth welcomes Bob Larson

BOB: Yes, absolutely. Look, the classic movie “The Exorcist” was indeed a story of a child who did just that with a Ouija board, and I cannot tell you of the hundreds of case studies I have of people with Ouija boards or other forms of divination who have tried to communicate with the spirit world who they themselves got those spirits, and then they need exorcism and deliverance.

SID: I have even heard of people going to movies needing exorcism as a result of what they have seen in the movies.

BOB: Well, a spirit of fear can enter into somebody at a slasher movie, if you want to go see Texas Chainsaw Massacre, be prepared, you may come home with something you didn’t have when you went there.

SID: Listen, Bob Larson is talking about movies like Star Wars, talking about Zen Buddhism, talking about things that are kind of, you know, just kind of in, Kabala, all these things are doors to the demonic. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want any door to the demonic, do you believe what he is saying? He is going to tell you some real life experiences, don’t go away, we’ll be right back.  

SID: I’m here with Bob Larson, foremost world expert in deliverance, cults and occult groups, and Bob, we’re featuring your new book, it’s a wonderful book, as a matter of fact, you have so many different cults and occult groups mentioned, so that if someone says something and you feel like, well there just might be something wrong with it, you look it up in the book, it’s written in such a simplistic fashion, you find out its roots, its origins, why its wrong and what to do about it. I think that every believer in the Messiah needs this book and if you are not a believer in the Messiah you doubly need this book, what kind of results are you getting from people reading this?

BOB: Absolutely fascinating, peoples reaction they after give me is just, “I can’t believe this.” We had a woman who came to one of our conferences, and she was a massage therapist and a very sweet Christian girl. She said, “I looked at this book, I think I’m doing something wrong.” I said, “What are you doing?” She said, “Well the person who taught me these therapies did hot stone therapy.” I said well you know a nice hot rock to relax with is not a bad idea, but she said there’s more to it than that. They told me to lay these stones at the location of the seven chakras and in doing so I would spiritually enlighten the people. She said according to your book I’ve done something wrong. And I said well lets pray about it, I said just renounce what you’ve done. And when she began to speak the words they would not come out of her mouth and she had to go through a full- blown exorcism to get free from that. She was innocent; she didn’t know what she was doing

SID: the blind leading the blind.

BOB: The blind leading the blind. But ignorance is no excuse in spiritual law.

SID: So you are touching something. What about a massage therapist that says I’ve got healing hands and when I give you a massage I think good thoughts and you, is there anything wrong with that?

BOB: Let me tell you another story, I had some people come to me with a child paralyzed from birth in a wheelchair, and I began to delve into this and I said well you know the only way the devil gets that child if this is of the devil and not simply an organic disease is through the parents, so lets talk to you about the entries of your life. And I began to work with the mother and she actually manifested demons right on the spot. I said, “How did you get this child?” And it said the aunt; I said the aunt, what’s the aunt got to do with it? And the spirit said aka. And I talked to this woman and said you have a sister. Yeah, she’s a massage aka practitioner. What happened was one time she had left the aunt to baby-sit her child, and this aunt did this energy distribution, passing the hands over the baby, and actually put spirits into the little baby, which were spirits of infirmity that had paralyzed this child.

SID: What about something as innocuous as yoga, especially the exercises, which they lower blood pressure, they relax people, they limber them up, what’s wrong with that?

BOB: Yoga is a Sanskrit word that means yoked with or in union with God.

SID: So every Christian, every Messianic Jew should want to be yoked with any union with God.

BOB: The catch is the definition of God, and it’s the god of ultimate unitary conscientiousness of the enlightenment, the Brahman if you will of Hinduism. And all the classic yoga texts teach this. In fact the classic yoga texts warn you cannot separate yoga from Hinduism. You cannot do it, they tell you this outright and they become very angry when Americans try to do this because they say it can’t be done and I believe them.

SID: Okay, someone doesn’t, forget Hindu, smindu, all they want is exercise, its good exercise Bob, what’s wrong with that?

BOB: I do good exercise, Sid, I have a

SID: No forget what you do, what’s wrong

BOB: No, no, no, no, I have a stretching routine every single day and some of what I do can resemble certain yoga positions, but I am not practicing the world-view and all the accoutrements of it, I am not putting myself in a body posture and calling them after names of Hindu gods and goddesses and various animals. I’m simply stretching my muscles. The difference is in the process of yoga you don’t do one or two stretching positions, you do a whole routine, all of which is designed just like just like a radio to tune you into the spirit world and to awaken these chakras which I believe are some kind of locale in the body of spirituality and the devil knows that.

SID: Tell me about some people that have been involved in yoga that you had to pray that evil spirits leave.

BOB: I’ve had so many I can’t begin to tell you who just went for, like Hoffa yoga that just went for the physical yoga

SID: Yes.

BOB: And they picked this stuff up along the way. And I remember one particular woman all I did was just take a Bible and run it up her spine and in doing so called forth seven demons which were in the spine. I remember another man, a very prominent businessman came to me and he had been involved in this and the Lord spoke to me and said take your Bible and put it right there in the seventh chakras, and he was just sitting there calmly, when I put the Bible there and said I come against the psychic third eye, the seventh chakras, this guy just went berserk, he said oh my God what’s that? And I said this is what you got doing yoga and it becomes localized. See the whole purpose of yoga is to achieve a psychosexual union between shockte and shiva. Shiva is the third member of the trinity of Hinduism, the destroyer, the death angel if you will, linked with shockte who is the female consort and the two of them come together, this is the whole purpose for yoga. There is a whole field called tatra yoga, which is designed to create demonic sexual arousal.

SID: Listen you’re stirring a lot of things up right now

BOB: Good.

SID: I want to find out about Zen Buddhism, I want to find out about the movie, Star Wars, we’ll be right back after this word. 

SID: Sid Roth here with Bob Larson. Bob is the worlds foremost leader in understanding, you’ve probably seen him on Oprah, or Larry King, or any of the other popular shows, but one of the most foremost spokesman on behalf of deliverance, cults, occults, as a matter of fact I have your brand new book called “Larson’s Book of World Religions.” Why did you write this?

BOB: Well first of all to give people an understanding of the place that Judaism and Christianity play in the larger picture of religion. So the book starts out, you can’t understand what cults do until you understand the fountain of cults, which is Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Daoism, and the so called great religions of the world, and then from there I move into the basic concepts, you have to understand what words like meditation, enlightenment, reincarnation, these things that are bandied about to give you a foundation. And then we move into hundreds of specific cults and show you this root structure manifested in all these belief systems.

SID: You know, I couldn’t believe, we were talking previous to this interview and you said in England they asked for the number one religion, what was it?

BOB: Stars Wars, or The Force, or Jedi. In fact the same thing happened in New Zealand, they did a poll there and they found out that, I believe that it was about fifty percent of the people put down as their religious preference Jedi Knights.

09 Apr 10 Sid Roth welcomes Bob Larson

SID: What is going on? You can’t turn on a television these days without seeing something about the new age, something about someone communicating with the dead, there is Harry Potter, I mean it is sort of like what was whispered in the closet is now wide open. What is, Bob Larson you a world renowned expert, if not the world renown expert in the occult, in new age, in deliverance, what is going on, why is it all of a sudden all over the place?

BOB: Well it’s nothing new of course, it’s as old as the tarsus, it’s as old as humanity, this idea that we can connect with something which is out there, but what you’ve got is the result of scientific and rational thought having overtaken the western world but not producing anything that meets the spiritual hunger, so people are still asking the question, “Is there anything beyond this life, do we survive after death?” And into this vacuum: psychics, spiritualists, trans-channelers, have stepped to say, yes, and I will put you in touch with those spirits

SID: How many Hollywood movie stars are involved in these things, BOB: Absolutely, absolutely.

SID: There’s something called Kabala, but what is actually going on when someone says, well look, I talk to people all the time who says my husband died, my father died, and it is so good, they are still with me, they communicate with me. What’s wrong with that?

BOB: Why they always have some unfinished business, that’s the whole idea, these are beings that haven’t totally passed to the other side because they have something to share with us here. In Biblical terminology, if we look at the Old and New Testament, it is consistent; there is absolute, impenetrable gulf between the living and the dead. We are here and they are wherever they are going to go. There is no communication between the two, it just doesn’t happen, it can’t happen.

SID: But wait a second, these people are hearing something, they are not making it up, it is not imagination.

BOB: Absolutely, what they are hearing are the voices of demons, of discarnate entities, spirit beings who rebelled with Lucifer, who fell,

SID: Well but wait, how do these people know these intimate things at séances, they might say something that no one knew?

BOB: Cause Satan’s been around for thousands of years, he knows what happened; the demons were there they saw it, so they can tell you about it. It’s no problem, they knew Uncle Fred before he died, Uncle Fred, was probably full of the devil.

SID: All right, how do you explain the doctrine of reincarnation then, that you come back until you get it right?

BOB: Well once again, spirit beings know what’s happened in the past and so they are able to implant thoughts and memories of previous existences in peoples minds of events, you know what’s interesting to me Sid, I’ll tell you, everybody was always the king or queen of something, nobody was ever a bag lade in an old life, nobody was ever homeless in an old life, it was always good.

SID: But Bob, people pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to psychics to communicate with the dead.

BOB: Because they’re desperate, they’re desperate; they are filling a spiritual hunger that the church and the religious community should be filling by speaking existentially into reality of what exists in the spiritual world after we are not here anymore. But because you don’t hear preaching about heaven and hell anymore the psychics have stepped in and said well we’ll tell you what’s after death.

SID: You know what I find interesting, that is totally, one hundred percent kosher on secular television, but let someone be talking about the blood of Jesus, about forgiveness of sin, about sin, and ooh, don’t want them to say that. Why is it so acceptable, why does the public, listen, in Hollywood they don’t supply movies because they are evil, they supply movies of what the public want, they want to make money.

BOB: Because… the answer is simple, in spiritualism, in talking to the dead, there is never a moral frame of reference, there’s no sin, there’s no judgment, there is no ethical accountability because everybody is okay on the other side, you don’t hear any of these psychics communicating with somebody who is in hell screaming out in torment, and no matter how they lived, everybody gets to go to a good place.

SID: Okay, what is the spiritual repercussion for someone going to a séance, trying to communicate with the dead, even using a Ouija board to get a message from the spirit world, what is the repercussion, what harm is there?

BOB: Because you are not talking to something, which is human, passed to the other side, because you are talking to a demonic spirit being by virtue of your connection and communication with it you give it the right to come into you and possess you.

SID: All right, but what about if this thing doesn’t say anything evil, what about this thing you communicate with

BOB: Well, it never does.

SID: is maybe helping your spirituality, isn’t that okay?

BOB: Oh, they do a lot of good, like I mean they find lost people, they discover dead bodies, and you know.

SID: I mean just watch Larry King; you have these psychics on all the time.

BOB: Absolutely. Well but the Bible says in:  So he looks good, but the real test is whether or not something is Biblical, whether it is supportable from a faith foundation, not whether or not if feels good or looks good.

SID: Can someone open themselves up to a demon to actually come inside of them from dabbling in these areas?

BOB: yes.

SID: Even if they don’t know the bad things?

02 Apr 10 Sid Roth welcomes Bob and Janie Duvall

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Bob and Janie DuVall. And Paul says in Corinthians, “First the natural, then the spiritual.” And it is so amazing looking at natural Israel and then seeing when God deals with natural Israel first, there is a repercussion on the church. Janie, explain that.

JANIE: Well there is a connection with natural Israel. There’s a connection with the feasts. The year 300, everything Jewish that was with Christianity, they stopped it. They took the feasts out and at the exact same time miracles stopped. But then, now we’ve heard and other people have heard about this, in 1948, when Israel became a nation it was at the exact same time that we had the healing revival of A. A. Allen, William Branham. But in 1967, we had the Six Day War and we have the charismatic renewal. It’s an outpouring of miracles. There’s a connection of the supernatural. 1973, we had the Yom Kippur War and we had a healing revival going on with the vineyard movement. But I did more research and it’s so exciting. I found out that it started way back, and probably back even further. 1830, there was this man named Lewis Way, and he said, “We’ve got to start praying for a Jewish nation.” Well at the exact same time, there was churches that started talking about, “We need to move in miracles.” It was happening at the same time. 1840, a whole bunch of Jewish people immigrated to the Holy Land. At the exact same time Maria Woodworth-Etter was born, who had a healing ministry of incredible miracles, and we still read her writings today. 1896, Theodore Herzl, he had a plan for creating a Jewish state, the birth of Zionism. At the exact year, Alexander Dowie had a healing ministry and the healing ministry was in a city called Zion, Illinois. I mean, it goes on and on.
BOB: It’s so clear that there is supernatural connection between Jew and gentile, the Jewish people and the church. And, you know, we were talking a little bit ago about how the blindness is coming to the Jewish people. They’re coming into the body of Messiah. Well that’s even more exciting for the gentile as well, because Paul says in Roman 11, “When the Jewish people come back into the body of Messiah it will be life from the dead.” And that’s exactly what the body needs today.

SID: For sure. And as a matter of fact, it begs the question, what’s gonna happen next to Israel? Therefore, what would the repercussion be for the church? This is what I believe. There is going to be discovery of oil in Israel. Oil represents the Holy Spirit. And when Israel discovers oil we are going to see just such an outpouring of God’s spirit. Actually, someone was just healed. Someone’s neck was just healed. Someone’s back, just talking about Jewish people.

JANIE: A goiter is leaving right now. A goiter is leaving and eyes are opened right now. And actually, there’s someone, you have this ringing in your ears. The ringing is leaving right now.

SID: And God has just told me that someone’s back is fine. It’s being straightened. This is something that you must, must understand. There is one sin that will trigger judgment, and this sin, according to the prophet Joel, in the third chapter, “Nations will be divided over one sin, dividing up the land of Israel.” And what will the repercussion be for dividing up the land of Israel? The repercussion is going to be dividing up the land of the United States. Two prophets, John McTernan and John Kilpatrick, both saw the same thing. Let’s look at it.
John M.: In the center of the United States there’s a massive fault called the New Madrid fault, and it has the potential of literally, like ripping right through the center of the country. It will be greatest disaster ever to hit America.
John K: When I dreamed of an earthquake that took place, the Lord showed me the earthquake was gonna hit in the middle part of the country right where the New Madrid fault is. What the Lord was showing, I believe, that if we continue to fool with Jerusalem and our secretary of state and our president keeps putting pressure on Israel to give up land and to give up Jerusalem for peace, I believe that a major earthquake is gonna strike America.

SID: Why is there such a diabolical strategy plan to divide Jews and Christians? I’ll tell you why. John 17:21: “I pray,” Jesus said, “I pray that they,” and there were only two people groups there at that time, Jew and gentile. “I pray that they, Jew and Gentile, might be one.” What’s the repercussion? “So the world will believe.” And what is going to happen? John 17:22: “The same glory that is on me, that is on Jesus is going to be on them. When the two come together the same glory that is on Jesus will have the full dwelling place of God.” I have a dream. I see all of the churches in the city renting a coliseum for, let’s say, Passover, Resurrection Sunday, and all of the Christians come together, more people than a Super Bowl, more important than a Super Bowl. I see dancing before God. I see worship before God. I see the last Passover Seder, the Last Supper before God. I see a release of miracles like the world hasn’t seen. And Christians will not come together for celebration of Resurrection Sunday and Passover because they have to. They’ll come together because God says it is a set appointment that He promises to show up. It’s not a “have to”, it’s a “get to”. And when the two become one this is what our Messiah said, the world will believe. I pray that they, Jew and Gentile, might be one so the world will believe.
I sense by the Spirit of the Living God by what He has done in my life, what I have seen with my very eyes that we are at the fullness of the gentile age. And I’ve got good news for everyone. The angel said to the women that came to the tomb on Resurrection Sunday, “He’s not here because he’s risen. He’s alive. Praise God. Our Messiah, Yeshua, the King of Jews is alive.”
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26 Mar 10 Sid Roth welcomes Bob and Janie Duvall

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Bob and Janie DuVall. There is a phrase called “The fullness of the gentiles” that most people don’t understand. And if I was a gentile that believed Jesus was the Messiah I would understand this. I would want to understand this. Bob, what does “fullness of the gentiles” mean to you?

BOB: Well it comes from, the timing of it comes from Luke, Chapter 21, where Jesus said, “Jerusalem will be trampled down by the gentiles until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled.” Well that’s important to me as a gentile to know what that timing is. And in 1967, Israel, in the Six-Day War, took possession back of Jerusalem, and it has been in Jewish hands. So the exciting thing is we are in the time of the fullness of the gentiles. We go to Romans 11 and Paul said what happens at that time. And he said, “The blindness that has been on many of the Jewish people comes off.” So we’re looking forward to, in this time now that we’re living in, the blindness coming off and multitudes of Jewish people coming to know their Messiah, Jesus.

SID: So what you’re saying is there’s two things to look for to know that we’re at the fullness of the gentiles. First, that Jerusalem would be in Jewish possession. Check. Jerusalem, ’67, as Bob said, in Jewish possession. Two, the spiritual scales come off of the eyes of Jewish people. Now I have lived, when I became a new Jewish believer in the Messiah, I have lived in the period of time where the spiritual scales came off the eyes of Jewish people. Every week I saw Jewish people coming to the Lord. But then it just gradually diminished. So I know the difference between normal times and when the spiritual scales are off. Something new is going on. Something so exciting it absolutely proves we’re at the fullness of the gentile age. It absolutely proves that the Messiah is ready to come back. And this is what I have seen. I rented a secular auditorium in Brighton Beach, New York, Brooklyn, New York. In a ten-block radius there’s 100,000 Soviet Jews. And we advertised, “Lecture on the Supernatural”. And Bob, you were there and I was shocked about how many people showed up to that lecture.

BOB: It was close to 400, Sid, and it was amazing. It was a lot of fun.

SID: But what was even more exciting, Bob, was in the middle of the lecture, a woman gets out of a wheelchair.

BOB: That’s right.

SID: And starts walking. Her attendant stands up and says, “I’ve never seen this woman.” And there was just a rush, a move of the Spirit of the Living God, and when that occurred, close to 400 Soviet Jews made professions of faith. The blindness is coming off.

JANIE: Okay, so now you’re talking about Soviet Jews, but how about plain, old American Jewish people?

SID: Okay, that’s the acid test, Janie. So I went to a suburb of Los Angeles, Oxnard, California. We rented a hotel room. We ran ads in the Jewish press saying, “Lecture on the Supernatural, no charge, and many people that attend the lecture will be healed.” Well something so wonderful happened. This is plain, old American Jews. Close to 400 of them showed up again. I mean, this is unprecedented. This to me is the fullness of the gentile age. And the minute I started speaking, God had what are known as supernatural words of knowledge, and I spoke them out, and something like 30 of them stood up. They didn’t know what was going on. It was just “Lecture on the Supernatural”. Nothing about religion, nothing about Jesus, nothing about God. “Lecture on the Supernatural”. They stood. Thirty of them stood up. They said they were instantly healed. I had their undivided attention and then I told them about the Messiah’s death, burial and resurrection. And 30 stood up in front of everyone and made professions of faith, 30 Jewish people. These are unprecedented.

JANIE: This is the sign of the times.

SID: I believe we are at the fullness of the gentile age. Get your seatbelt a little tightened. We’re going to really go for the greatest outpouring of miracles when you understand as we come back. Be back in just a moment.

19 Mar 10 Sid Roth welcomes Bob and Janie DuVall

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. When a Christian looks at Passover, the Christian says, “I don’t see anything Christian in Passover.” And when the Jewish person looks at Resurrection Sunday they say, “I don’t see anything Jewish about Resurrection Sunday.” Could there be a diabolical reason to keep these two people groups separate, especially in light of the Book of Ephesians, which tells us the reason Jesus came was to break down this middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile to form one new man? Is there a reason to separate these two groups, because the result will be, Paul goes on to say about this one new man, the reason Jesus came was to break down the wall of separation between Jew and Gentile to form one new man, one new humanity, one new special being, because this will form the dwelling place, or the complete dwelling place for God. I say there is a diabolical reason. That’s why I’ve asked my guests, Bob and Janie DuVall to be with me. They’re on staff, The Messianic Vision and It’s Supernatural. And Bob comes from a gentile. Janie comes from a Jewish background, a perfect example of the one new man. I say that Resurrection Sunday is the most Jewish feast in the world. I say that Passover is the most Christian feast in the world. Let me give you a couple of examples. For instance, four days before Passover they take a lamb, an unblemished lamb, a lamb without broken bones. And isn’t it interesting? Not one of the Messiah’s bones were broken, because if the bones were broken this would not be an acceptable lamb. So four days before they inspect this lamb to make sure that it’s perfect without blemish. Four days before Passover the Sanhedrin inspected Jesus to see if he had any blemishes on him. At Passover the lamb is killed. At Passover Jesus died. At Feast of Unleavened Bread Jesus was buried. At First Fruits, Jesus rose from the dead. The thing is so Jewish. Janie, tell me a bit about feast.

JANIE: You know, people will say, “Okay, that’s really nice. The Feast, Jesus fulfilled itself. Okay, that’s for back then.” But there’s very supernatural about the Feast. In Leviticus it says God calls it “My Feasts.” He calls the feasts holy congregation rehearsals. The first church, I’m sorry, the Jewish believers, they knew that they were expecting Messiah to come. A lot of them were in the first church. They were rehearsing the spring feasts. Jesus was the fulfillment of the spring feasts. We have to be rehearsing the feasts for the Second Coming. And so that’s why they didn’t miss it back then. But there’s something very supernatural. This week is Passover, and it’s very supernatural to celebrate the feasts. I mean, again, God calls it “My Feasts”. It’s not the Jewish feasts. There are very supernatural things on those days that happen. When we rehearse those feasts, Pesach, Passover, when they ate, when the Israelis ate the whole lamb they were totally physically healed. So when we’re rehearsing Passover and we’re having that appointment with God, we’re rehearsing the healing. And the other feasts, then you have when he’s resurrected three days later, Jesus is resurrected. That’s the First Fruits. But 50 days later which were leading up to that time, that’s the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Shavuot. That feast, Pentecost, people were having dreams, visions, miracles.

SID: Well you know what’s so amazing to me is God says, “These are My feasts.” In the Hebrew, the word “feast” means appointments. I mean, there’s a Hebrew word. It’s called meshuga, crazy. You’d have to be meshuga. You’d have to be crazy to miss an appointment with God. He promises to attend. Bob, tell us about the Last Supper or what Christians called Communion and we Jews call a Passover Seder.

BOB: Absolutely. Well to put the Last Supper in context, it happened, like you said, during a Passover Seder, the Last Supper. And let’s look back at the first Passover. What happened? Well they were, the Jewish people, Israel was instructed to kill the lamb, to put the blood on the door post and to eat the whole lamb. And what was the result? Well their first born was protected and they were brought out of slavery. They were set free from bondage. And it also tells us in Psalm 105, “God brought them out with silver and gold. There was great provision for them.” And also, it says, “There was none feeble among them.” So I think that one of the things that many of us miss when we take Communion, because we don’t understand the full context of the Passover and what Yeshua did for us is everything that he provided for us in that he provided healing. “By his stripes,” by Jesus’ stripes we were healed and we know about forgiveness of sin. But then also, this financial provision there were all sorts of things that Yeshua, Jesus provided when he sacrificed himself as the Passover lamb. Everything was pointing toward Jesus. Everything was a shadow, and when he came he said this to his disciples at that Passover, that Last Supper, “This is my body. This is my blood of the New Covenant” and announced that he was what everything was pointing toward.

SID: You know, Bob and Janie, what I believe is we take Communion, which is very Jewish. I even know the prayers that Jesus prayed at that Last Supper, that Passover Seder, because we Jewish people do it every year. The Messiah took the grape juice and he took, and by the way, according to the Talmud, it doesn’t say “grape juice”. It says “wine” and it not only says “wine” it says “red wine” because the red wine represents the blood of the Messiah, and the matzah represents his broken body. As we participate in this right now watch what God is going to do in your physical body. Watch how God is going to touch you. [chanting-Hebrew] Thank you, Lord, for the bread that you’ve given us, your body that was broken for us. And when his body was broken for us, his blood shed, and this wine represents the blood of the Messiah. In the Book of Leviticus 17:11 says, “I’ve given the blood upon the altar as atonement for your sin. It is the blood that makes atonement for your sin.” [chanting-Hebrew] There are six blessings in participating in what the Messiah did for us. I want to pray a blessing over you that Moses was given from God Himself for Aaron to pray over the Jewish people so that His name would be on the Jewish people. “The Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord calls His countenance to shine upon you and be gracious to you. The Lord grant you His shalom.” That’s his completeness in your spirit, in your soul, and in your body, in the name of the Sar Shalom, the Prince of Peace, Yeshua, [Hebrew], Jesus the Messiah, our righteousness. Jesus is coming back soon. Don’t go away. You come back after this word and you’ll find out why.

12 Mar 10 Sid Roth welcomes Rick Joyner

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Rick Joyner. Did you know that God has every hair on your head numbered? That not two sparrows fall to the ground without Him being aware of it? And of how much more value are you? You have value, and you have worth. Of how much more value are you than the sparrow? My guest, Rick Joyner, is just a man. I’m just a man. But we know God. We have intimacy with God. And there’s a prophet by the name of Bob Jones that wandered into your life, and he described property that you were going to own. Explain that.

RICK: Well, he had a dream. And when I moved to North Carolina, I came with the word I was to go to the mountains of North Carolina. And I met Bob Jones through a friend of ours, Mike Bickle, and he immediately started telling me details about my life and things that had happened in my history that I didn’t even know. I had to check them out later, but they found out to be true.

SID: That’s amazing.

RICK: Things about my ancestors and stuff. But anyway, later he called me back and said he’d had a dream about me moving to the mountains of North Carolina, and he described the place in detail; exactly how far it was from where I was living at the time,
which he got within 2/10 of a mile. We told him he’s got to do better than that.

SID: Well, hey, according to the Bible you have to be 100%, but I’ll take within 2/10 of a mile, out of the whole world.

RICK: Yeah, that’s right. But he described it in detail. Tom Hess, who is a friend of yours, was involved in this, and was given some land nearby and he called and told me he was supposed to give it to us.

SID: And it’s a small world. I was on his board and I was involved in that decision. But go ahead.

RICK: So Tom calls me from Jerusalem and tells me about this land, and he described it,
and the deed had some of the details that Bob had told me in his dream. It was measured like they do in the mountains sometimes, “from white rocks to an old oak tree”, and Bob, in his dream, had seen the land was measured from white rocks to an oak tree, and details like that. He said there were buildings in the middle with red roofs and a mountain with a rock face on it and antennas on it, and all this. Of course that could’ve been a lot of places in North Carolina, but when we found it had every detail that Bob told us about in his dream, including where the streams were on the land, and things like that…

SID: But Rick, that is natural. I mean there was a king of Syria that was upset with Israel because as this king said “They know what I’m discussing in my bedroom.” It was a prophet, and today, according to the New Covenant, we’re all supposed to be able to prophecy. Now I am so excited about this new property that you have. Was that prophesied also?

RICK: It was. And you know, we prophesy in part, and we know in part. And Bob had all these details about he property we were going to, the rectangular building. He saw a lot of other little details that worked out later. But he saw some damage to it, water leaks and damage. We went looking all over Charlotte for old buildings, and almost bought some that we thought fit the description.

SID: Been there, done that. I understand.

RICK: And then we finally happen upon the property that was exactly as Bob had described, and now we’re in it.

SID: And this is the old PTL Headquarters that Jim Bakker had a vision to develop. And Rick, I don’t have to be a prophet to know that that mantle has fallen upon you, and that’s going to be even greater than Jim thought it was going to be. You’ve got that beautiful Grand Hotel, and it is now grand. I mean how did you end up getting that property, which Bob Jones saw in a vision, which you couldn’t even find when you went in your peanut brain trying to find it?

RICK: Well it’s interesting. Jim Bakker, when he got out of prison, he kind of spiritually bequeathed that property to us in a conference, publicly. And we were saying “We don’t want it. We don’t want to run a hotel. We’re in missions.”

SID: Besides that, he didn’t own it. He couldn’t give it to you.

RICK: Yeah, but he spiritually said “We think you’re supposed to have it.” So anyway, there were some reasons, some things I had to be a part of, some business things and all, where if I’d known that property was coming to me I could not have been a part of those. It would’ve been a conflict. We had no idea. So I think, in a way, the Lord hid it from us, where it was, and then at the right time, it came into our hands for, well, we bought $60 million, well Jim paid $60 million to build it in the 1980′s.

SID: Right, so that would be worth even more now with the value of real estate.

RICK: I’d think so. We bought it for $1.6 million.

SID: How come so cheap?

RICK: Well, they didn’t think the buildings could be restored.

SID: Did you have a good Jewish attorney by the name of Ruach Ha Kodesh, the Holy Spirit?

RICK: I’ve had Jews tell me I’ve made the Jew jealous.

SID: Well that’s what you’re supposed to do. You’re just being normal. Speaking of normal, very quickly, tell me about the glory cloud that came in at a meeting you were at where you were speaking, and everyone saw it.

RICK: Well this was back when we were first starting, had our first Worship and Warfare Conference, called The Heart Of David. And we had spent about eight hours worshipping the Lord that day. You know, taking some breaks in between. It was at an intensity that we used to hope we could get to and maintain for 15 minutes. It was the most intense worship we’d ever experienced, and it had gone on and on. The last session had gone into hours, and it kept building. It was the greatest worship I’ve still ever been a part of. And at the end, Leonard Jones was playing the last song, and all of a sudden, it felt like a nuclear fire in the building. I felt burning inside. You know how nuclear’s supposed to burn from the inside? I felt like my insides were on fire, and I watched two girls who were on the stage start grabbing like they were on fire. And then… Now I’m feeling heat, fire, and I watched one of these girls run and dive through the drum set,
scared, terrified. And I turn around and looked and there’s this cloud, pillar of cloud right in the middle of the stage. And my first thought is “We’ve got a fire.” Because heat, fire, all this, you know. And the whole audience that had been worshipping at the top of their voice went instantly silent, started wailing, crying. I’m looking at everything going on and I think we’ve got a fire, and then I just said “The presence of the Lord is so intense, let the place burn.” That was my thinking.

SID: Did everyone see that cloud?

RICK: Yeah, everyone that was in there saw it, except for a few.

SID: Did you hear that? Everyone outside of a few saw this glory cloud. We’re coming into the days like you read about in the scriptures, where the glory is going to show up and everyone’s going to be healed. I feel such a presence of God in my face right here that I happen to believe that God’s presence is invading wherever you are right now. And in His presence, all things are possible. What do you need right now? The first thing you need is to get right with God, repent of your sins, and believe Jesus is your Messiah and Lord. Get ready. Get ready!

05 Mar 10 Sid Roth welcomes John McTernan

SID: Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, John McTernan, has found the most amazing statistics. Since 1991, how many times have you seen that, when the United States goes against Israel, there have been, what the world calls, natural catastrophes?

JOHN: Sid, at a minimum, 50, but probably closer to 70.

SID: Now, many people feel that when there are things like earthquakes and hurricanes and the stock market goes down, and that’s the type of things we’re talking about, many people think that that’s the natural decay of planet Earth in every arena. How would you respond to that?

JOHN: Well Sid, obviously there is truth to that, the natural decay. But it’s the timing of it, Sid, and the magnitude of the hurricanes, for example. Like hurricane Andrew, hurricane Katrina, and other hurricanes, falling precisely on these events. Precisely, Sid.

SID: Why is it though? What I’m pondering, and what I’d like John to explain is, why are there these warning judgments from God within 24 hours of the event, when the United States tries to divide up the land of Israel. Why is that, John?

JOHN: Well Sid, in the Bible, God has made promises. Starting with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendents, which would be the Jewish people today, about the land. And there are blessings and curses about how people react to Jewish people on the land. So, part of the cursing is, if you try and divide the land, which unfortunately the United States is really the leading nation in the world pressuring Israel to do this, since 1991.

SID: Give me some examples of what the United States did, and what happened. Just a couple.

JOHN: Well Sid, we’ll start at the very beginning, the Madrid Peace process, which is really a codeword for the dividing of Israel. The date was October 30, 1991. We’ll say President Bush Sr., and not the current President, but his father, President Bush Sr. He initiated this after the Gulf War, thinking that, with the power of the United States, you could have this comprehensive peace in the Middle East, and part of it would be dividing the land, including Jerusalem. And when the President was delivering this speech in Madrid, Spain, initiating the Madrid Peace process, on that very day, Sid – in fact, I’d almost go so far as to say the very hour – the perfect storm hit. And if you can think back to 1991, the perfect storm…

SID: There was a movie.

JOHN: A movie, a best-selling book. The perfect storm had generated… it was the most powerful storm ever recorded in history, in the north Atlantic. It generated 30 foot waves that came against the President’s home in Kennebunkport, Maine. He has a home on the coast.

SID: It really caused destruction?

JOHN: Yeah, 30 foot waves. Eyewitnesses said, Sid, that the waves just engulfed the home; they came over it. So as the President of the United States was in this process of touching the land of Israel, his own home was being devastated.

SID: Give me another example.

JOHN: Well, the next year the Madrid Peace process was transferred from Madrid, Spain, to Washington D.C. The very first day that they met was August 23, 1992, on American soil. They previously had been in Madrid. And you can see the headlines in the newspapers, I have all the headlines, where hurricane Andrew… At that time, it was the greatest natural disaster ever to hit the United States. Since then, hurricane Katrina has surpassed it. But hurricane Andrew hit 4 hours before they met on American soil. So you’ll see the newspapers with the headline “Hurricane Andrew”, and all the damage,
and right there with it is the Madrid Peace Process. So you can’t miss it, Sid.

SID: Which is, again, the Madrid Peace Process is “land for peace.” But you mentioned hurricane Katrina. Is there any correlation with that?

JOHN: I’m going to stretch your mind a little, but to go back to hurricane Katrina and the Jewish people being evacuated from Gaza.

SID: The settlements?

JOHN: The settlements. And of course Gaza is part of the Covenant land. It’s that land that was given to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendents. In fact, Sid, the prophet Obadiah, which your viewers may have a hard time finding, because it’s the smallest book in the Bible… When I preach on Obadiah, I give people extra time to find it. But right there in Obadiah, it talks about “the Day of the Lord”, which of course is the second coming of the Lord Jesus…

SID: Which we’re obviously approaching.

JOHN: Without a doubt. And it says specifically that the plain of the Philistines are going to belong to… the Jewish people are going to be in control of the plain of the Philistines, which in modern terminology is Gaza. So the prophetic word says that this land is going to be inhabited, controlled, by the Jewish people. Yet, through pressure of the United States, with George Bush Jr., and with Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of State, we’ve pressured the Jewish government, the Israeli government, to unilaterally abandon the land. And plus, the President also promised American money to help with the resettlement of the Jewish people that are being taken off the land. So that was taking place exactly at the time that hurricane Katrina hits the United States. So we’re forcing Jewish people off the land in Israel, and Americans are being forced off the land in the United States.

SID: Now listen, I would not call this a warning judgment, I would call this a judgment.

JOHN: Yes Sid, yes. In my book, when I first started, in the mid-1990′s, I called it warning judgments, or judgments unto repentance.

SID: But we’ve passed that line right now.

JOHN: Yes we have, Sid.

SID: This is what John has uncovered now. It’s the best-kept secret in American history. There is a key to American prosperity that is not mentioned in any of the history books. We’ll reveal that, and you are going to be absolutely amazed when you hear the best kept secret. It won’t be secret anymore. Be right back after this word.

We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.

26 Feb 10 Sid Roth welcomes Joel Richardson

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Joel Richardson and the wealth of information. I see why God has hand-picked this man to give us a revelation of End Times. But there’s going to be a false unity that will occur in the last days we read about. And you told me the most amazing statement about a Hasidic rabbi in Israel. Tell me about that.

JOEL: Well I recently have been in dialogue, not only with some of the representative rabbis from the Sanhedrin, which is a body of 70 Hasidic rabbis in Israel, but also a very influential Turkish Islamic Muslim leader, named Adnan Oktar. I recently had the chance to visit with him in Istanbul, and amazingly, you have this Muslim that is actually calling for the Jewish temple to be rebuilt. He calls it “Solomon’s Mosque” or “Solomon’s Palace.” Shortly after I visited with Adnan in Istanbul, some of the representatives from the Sanhedrin met with him, and after meeting with him one of the things that they came out in a joint statement was a call for the Temple Mount to become a house of prayer for all nations. And, you know, when you listen to their dialogue, the rabbis regularly refer to God as Allah, and they speak about worshiping the same God all under one Abrahamic umbrella. So there’s an emerging unity. You know, they have their clearly defined parameters, but they see each other as brothers who all worship the same God.

SID: And obviously, by the description of Allah, that is not the description of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But I’m talking about that Hasidic rabbi. What did he say to you?

JOEL: Well not to me specifically, but Menachem Froman, very influential rabbi in Israel, the founder of the Tekoa settlement, he’s written a letter to the government of Turkey, and he’s asked for a meeting between the religious leaders of Israel and the government leaders, political leaders of Turkey to come together to form and forge a Middle Eastern peace treaty that they could then submit to the surrounding nations. And what he has said is that Turkey is the only hope for Middle Eastern peace, that Turkey is the premier bridge nation, the only nation that can mediate between the Islamic world and the State of Israel.

SID: And that’s probably why you talk about keep your eyes on Turkey.

JOEL: For over 500 years it ruled the Middle East, right up until 1924. Now in 1924, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the secular reformer of Turkey, abolished the Office of Khalif, which is essentially the pope of the Islamic world. But he’s actually more than that. And so the Khilafat, the government of the Khalif was abolished, and since that time, the Islamic empire has essentially been dormant. The Bible predicts this. It calls this “the fatal head wound that the beast would suffer”, the beast being the empire. And now that empire is reviving, and everything looks like Turkey will emerge once again as the leader of the Middle East.

SID: You know, when you put End Time prophecy together with the Islamic world, as opposed to the European world. It just makes so much more sense.
JOEL: Absolutely. And you know, sometimes it’s as if they’re reading right from the script of the Bible. And Adnan Oktar, this Muslim leader that I met with, after I had been teaching for some time that the Bible predicted that Turkey would emerge as a regional leader, suddenly he comes out and he’s calling for what he calls a Turkish-lead Islamic union. And there is these massive movements throughout the Middle East calling for a neo-ottoman empire in the Middle East. We’ve been concerned that Al Qaeda would revive a Khilafat, but Turkey may very accomplish what Al Qaeda could not do.

SID: And you have another interesting revelation from the prophet Micah about the Assyrian.

JOEL: This is one of the most basic prophecies about the Messiah. In the Bible, in Micah 5, you have the prophecy of the Bethlehem-born Messiah. We all know this one. But if you read a little further it says that one of the primary things that this messiah does, it says, “When the Assyrian,” that’s the Antichrist, “When the Assyrian invades our land and tramples into our borders that the Bethlehem-born Messiah would deliver us from the Assyrian.” Now you have to ask yourself, if you’re a believer who takes the Bible at a face value approach, you take it for what it says, if the Antichrist is called “the Assyrian” then is it more reasonable to conclude that the Antichrist will come from the former region of the Assyrian empire, or is it more reasonable to conclude that the Antichrist will be Nicolae Carpathia from Romania, or that he’ll be from Germany, or London?

SID: Now of course, we’re hearing all of this stuff, which is kind of heavy. But there is so much exciting things going on by the supernatural power of the living God. Jewish people and Muslims are having supernatural experiences with the Messiah of Israel. Tell me about some Muslims.

JOEL: Amen. First let me say this. Yeshua, a Jewish man, will soon come back and he will take over the earth. This is the yearning of mankind. Righteousness will cover the earth. Before he does this, this is all we’re talking about. We’re talking about the End Times, we’re not talking about the end of the world. We’re talking about the beginning of the good stuff. We’re talking about the day when all the things that we groan about, the child slavery, the sex slave trade, the unrighteousness of the earth, the unrighteous leadership will be eliminated. Before he does that, the Lord right now is reaching out and He’s drawing Muslims to Himself all over the Islamic world. Reports are coming in from missionaries, and one of the primary ways that Muslims are coming to become followers of Yeshua is through supernatural dreams and revelations. Yeshua himself is personally evangelizing Muslims. He hears their cry and he’s calling them to himself.

SID: Briefly tell me one Muslim story.

JOEL: You know, I just heard one recently. I believe it was Joel Rosenberg, not to be confused with Joel Richardson, was telling a story of a woman who was praying. She read the scripture that says, “Behold, I stand on the door and knock. If you open the door I will come in a sup.” She was praying about that scripture. She heard a knock on the door. She opened the door and there was a man in a white robe with holes in his hands, and she said, “Come on in.” And Jesus himself came in, sat down, ate with her and taught her the truth about himself and the scriptures, and she became a follower of Jesus.
SID: But based on your research, this is not just an exception. This is happening to many Muslims.

JOEL: Reports are coming in, again, from across the Islamic world. Missionaries are reporting this. I have a friend in Berlin right now who just, about two weeks ago, he was able to lead nine Turkish Muslims to the Lord in one meeting. He prayed for them. They had various sicknesses. They were healed. Jesus healed them. They could not deny the power that he had in Yeshua, for Yeshua. They came to faith. He preached the crucified Christ of the Bible, not the false Jesus of the Koran.

SID: And the amazing thing is when these Muslims come to know God they have such a love for the Jew and Israel. This is where Romans 11:11 says that, “The gentile will provoke the Jew to jealousy.” What greater gentile than an Arab coming to faith.

JOEL: Exactly. What a testimony when these Muslims who were raised on anti-Semitism, the anti-Semitism that is in their holy book, the Koran, and they have this hatred for the Jews. Suddenly, they fall in love with Yeshua. They read the scriptures and they realize the Jews are God’s people, that Isaac is my brother, and they come to love Israel. They come to love Jews. This I believe is one of the primary ways that the Lord is going to use the gentile world to provoke His people, the Jewish people, to jealousy, that they will turn to Him.

SID: That kind of a transformation could only come through knowing the Messiah of Israel.
Do you need that kind of transformation? I believe you do. It’s time to tell God you’re sorry for mistakes you’ve made in your life and you believe the King of the Jews, Jesus the Messiah, washes away your sins. Ask him to be your Lord and ask him to live inside of you right now.

19 Feb 10 Sid Roth welcomes Joel Richardson

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Joel Richardson. We just found out in the last segment that the one that the Muslims refer to as their messiah has a perfect description of what Christians refer to as the Antichrist. It’s amazing how similar it is. Joel, in Matthew 24, it says, the Messiah says, “The love of,” and in the Greek it says, “The love of most will grow cold in the last days.” That’s a pretty somber statement. “The love of most will grow cold in the last days.” Why do you believe that will happen?

JOEL: This is one of the most, in my opinion, one of the most terrifying warnings in all of scripture, because not only does it say that “the love of most will grow cold,” it also says that many will betray the faith and betray each other. And of course, the End Times will be a catastrophic, cataclysmic time. But to put this in context, in the 1970s, there was a movement that swept through the United States called the Jesus Movement, and that’s affected this country. Few people realize how much that affected. All these hippies were coming to following Yeshua and throughout the country. This was a revival, a biblical revival. One of the primary underlying factors of this religious revival was the fact that Israel had become a nation and fulfilled the prophecies of the Bible. People, when they look and they see that the prophecies of this book, unlike, you know, Nostradamus or some other vague prophecy, when they see that this book can predict things with accuracy precision thousands of years in advance, they come to recognize this book is true. Well likewise, if the majority today of the Church is believing that the Antichrist is going to come out of Europe and if they have all of these ideas about the End Times that are perhaps flawed, then likewise, even as the fulfillment of biblical prophecies affected people in a positive way during the ‘70s, I believe that if the opposite takes place, the potential that this has to shipwreck people’s faith, to lead them into deep levels of disillusionment and confusion, and lose faith in this book, is tremendous. And so we need to, when we look at this warning in Matthew 24, we need to take an incredibly humble approach to the prophetic scriptures and keep our eyes open.

SID: Okay. Islam talks about their messiah is the perfect description of the Christian Antichrist. What is Islam’s description of Jesus?

JOEL: This is essential. This is an essential point. A lot of Christians when they find out that Muslims also believe that Jesus will return at the end of the Age, they get all excited and say, well we have so much in common. What Christians don’t realize is that what Islam teaches is that when Jesus returns he will essentially come back, not as the Jesus of the Bible, but as an Islamic prophet, and he will come back to tell the Christians of the world and those that follow him that you’ve had it wrong all along, that your Bible is corrupted, that he never claimed to be the Son of God, that he never died on the cross, the whole Christian religion is false, that Islam is the true religion. He will command Christians to become Muslims otherwise they will have no other choice but to suffer the death penalty. Beyond that, Muslims teach that Jesus will come back as a Muslim prophet to kill the false Jewish Antichrist and to slaughter Jews in the Land of Israel. So in a nutshell, Muslims believe Jesus returns to abolish Christianity and to kill Jews.
SID: How about Daniel 2:43? How does that fit in?

JOEL: Daniel 2, this is the prophecy about this metallic statue, one of the most essential, prophetic passages in all of the scriptures. A lot of people believe that this is the foundation for this whole idea that the Antichrist will come out of the Roman Empire.

SID: Right.

JOEL: It’s speaking of these legs of iron. It’s all very complicated. But when we look at the biblical description, the criteria that the Bible lays out for us to identify this fourth empire, it says that it will crush Babylon, think Iraq, Persia, think Iran, and Greece, think Turkey and Greece. The problem is the Roman Empire did not crush those empires. It conquered a little bit of some of them. But in terms of Persia and Iraq, largely most of these regions were left untouched. The Roman Empire does not meet the biblical criteria. The Islamic empire does. And then when we look at Daniel 2:43, specifically of this fourth empire, it says, “The kingdom will be mixed.” And in the Aramaic, that word is “Arab”. “The kingdom will be “Arav, Meh’arav.” The same word for “Arab” is the word that we translate as “mixed”. In ancient times, the Arabs were known as the “mixed peoples”.

SID: So why does everyone think the Antichrist is going to come out of Europe?

JOEL: Well again, it’s because of a misplaced interpretation of two key passages. And there’s a huge wealth of passages throughout the Bible, consistently that speak of the surrounding nations. In the Hebrew it’s the “goy sabhib”, the “goyim sabhib”, the nations that surround Israel that come against her in the last days. And you have dozens of passages that say this. But then based on two passages, Daniel 2 as well as Daniel 9, some point to Revelation 17, they form the foundation for their eschatology and believe the Antichrist will come from the Roman Empire, and they ignore all of these other passages which are clear, which are consistent and easy to understand.

SID: Very briefly, what is the Islamic view of the one they call the Antichrist?

JOEL: Muslims also believe that an Antichrist will come at the end of the Age. They call him “adagela al massae”, the “imposter Messiah”. He comes back as the Jewish Messiah who claims to be Jesus Christ, who claims to be God, the Son of God, who does miracles, and he’s followed by Jews. So when you look at the Book of Revelation when it says that, “The rider on the horse Jesus has come back, and the kings of the earth gathered together to make war against him,” you think, what has gotten into them? The Muslims have been set up by their own religion to believe that when Jesus returns that he will be the Antichrist.

SID: Well, you know, I can see why 99 percent of the people that hear Joel teach on this area say for the first time, I understand the End Times. Don’t go away. You’re going to find out some amazing statements of Orthodox rabbis about the End Times. Be right back after this.

12 Feb 10 Sid Roth welcomes Joel Richardson

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Joel Richardson, has such amazing insight into the End Times. The prophet Daniel, in the 12th chapter, talks about the End Times. Explain what he says.

JOEL: In the conclusion of this incredibly prophetically book, the prophet Daniel made clear, in fact, it was revealed to him by an angel, that all of the things revealed to Daniel, the primary message of this entire book, would literally be sealed up until the End Times. And he makes this very clear that when he’s speaking about End Times, he’s saying the time when the dead, those that sleep in the dust of the earth, are resurrected. This is talking about the end of the Age, that at that time, the understanding of this book would be opened up to the Church.

SID: And I can see how you’ve been hand-picked, literally by God, to give revelation of the End Times. In fact, you were sitting among 7,000 people. Get this, he’s sitting around among 7,000 people and the man that is speaking has a word of knowledge, but he starts out by even saying Joel’s name. What did he say?

JOEL: Let me just back up a teeny bit and make mention of something else. Just before my wife and I met, there was a prophetess that prayed over my wife, and one of the things she said was she said, “Your husband, you’ll marry someone that will have significant insight into the End Times and he’ll release new prophetic understanding concerning the End Times into the Church, and to the world.” And so my wife and I are sitting in this meeting, 7,000 people, large civic center type of situation, in the very back. And before he spoke, he said, “I want to share prophetic word, in order to show that what I’m about to speak on is from the Lord.” He called us out by name and then he spoke things to us that no man could know, things that we had been praying about, things that only we knew that only the Lord, only God could reveal to a man, and that gets your attention. And then one of the things that he said was he said that the Lord was going to bring me into a season of Divine revelation, which I knew intuitively was tied into this word about understanding the End Times. And of course, I had no interest in the End Times. I’m an incredibly unlikely candidate. My heart has always been to I love sharing my Christian faith with Muslims and I love reaching out to the poor, and I thought if I ever had a ministry, that that’s what it would be geared toward. But somehow the Lord has managed to bring together this love for Muslims, as well as this call to speak about the End Times and He’s joined those two together.

SID: But what if everything we’ve been taught about in series like the “Left Beyond” or “Late Great Planet Earth”, the basic premises are wrong? What if? I believe God has raised up Joel. People that understand his teaching, say for the first time, the whole End Times scenario makes total sense to me. Joel, in preparation for this, you spent time in the Middle East. You have studied the scriptures from an eastern, a Middle Eastern mindset. What difference does this make when you study the scriptures from that mindset versus the West?

JOEL: One of the things that I try to emphasize, whenever I’m teaching on these issues, particularly when I’m addressing Americans, is I try to address this issue of American centricity, this idea that we have as Americans, whether we articulate or verbalize it or not, we believe the world revolves around us, and we even, again, we wouldn’t quite come out and say it, we believe that the Bible is written primarily for Americans. What I’m trying to do is bring people back to the context of this book so they can understand that this book is first and foremost, is and always has been Jerusalem, Israel and a Middle Eastern centric book, and that includes the subject of biblical prophecy, that the epicenter of all biblical prophecy is the Middle East. So when we try to, as westerns, try to read our world view into the prophetic scriptures, the prophecies of the Bible, we often make mistakes. We read things into this context that don’t belong. So if you’re sitting in Jerusalem today, the primary spirit that is coming against the Jewish people, coming against the people of God, is the spirit of Islam. Now here in the West we have other spirits that we’re contending with, but we need to be careful not to read our world into the pages of this book.

SID: Now the thing that’s so amazing to me is as you began studying and reading about what the Bible calls the Antichrist, and then in the Middle East and talking with Muslims, and beginning to understand the one they consider to be their messiah, they seem to be the same person.

JOEL: Exactly, exactly. What shocks a lot of people is that when we look at the basic template, the basic description of who the Antichrist is in the Bible, it is an exact description of the Islamic savior, the Islamic messiah figure. So in the Bible, the Antichrist is a charismatic leader, a military, political, religious leader that rises up at the end of the age. He initially comes with a spirit of peace, a spirit of tolerance and unity for all faiths, and he initiates a peace treaty with the Nation of Israel and the surrounding Islamic nations, and then three and half years into this peace treaty, he violates that. He invades the Land of Israel with the surrounding nations, the Islamic nations that are under his authority, and he literally comes against the Jewish people to kill them, to conquer them. He sets up his seat of authority in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount. And the Bible says that the time that he has to do this is seven years. In Islam, their messiah figure is said to come at the end of the Age. They call him the “Mehedi”. In English we can just say “the Madhi”. He comes at the end of the Age to revive the Islamic empire that’s been dormant for the past 80-plus years. He then invades the Land of Israel to retake Israel for the Islamic world, and then he establishes the seat of his authority of world Islamic authority from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. And according to sacred Islamic tradition, it says that the time period that he has to do this will be seven years.

SID: I mean, I think that is so phenomenal, because I’ve always been told it’s going to be someone that will emerge from Europe, from the European Union, the ten nations coming together. But this is going to get interesting. Don’t go away. It’s going to be supernatural. Be right back after this word.