Sid:  The middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile, praise God it’s finally come down to form what Paul calls in the 2^nd Chapter in the books of Ephesians “The Full dwelling Place of God by His Spirit.”  And that’s where we’re headed right now, but between today and the time the Messiah comes we know from the Bible what’s going to happen.  But we as believers I believe it should not be such a big mystery that as true believers in the Messiah we should understand the times and seasons that we’re in.  And I have a friend that’s a Messianic Jewish Rabbi by the name of Jonathan Cahn and several years ago he had some supernatural experiences and he’s a brilliant Bible teacher.  And he has come up with an understanding of a pattern from the Old Testament that God used with Israel and it’s so amazing it’s even got dates and times and the deeper in God in this the more he saw that it is a pattern for the United States of America.  Here let me read from the front page of our newsletter for those that receive our Mishpochah newsletter.  “Is it possible that there exists an ancient mystery in which is hidden the secret of America’s future?”  “Is it possible that this possible lies behind everything from 9/11 to the war in Iraq; to the American housing bubble and it’s bursting to the crash of Wall Street and the global economy to the great recession and much more; even the President of the United States.”  Strap on your seatbelt we’re about ready to go for a ride.  Jonathan you know that I have wanted to interview you on this subject for a long time and you kept say, “It’s not quite the right time.”  Why did you keep saying that to me?

Jonathan:  I just, I just felt that there was a time when this word was going to go forth and it’s almost as if the word is always sought to go forth, it tends to become viral when I bring it up.  But I felt like it wasn’t the time and then things started changing and I have no question right now that this is the time.  And just when I was kind of moving ahead or praying about that I get a call I get a call from your ministry saying, “Hey let’s do the Harbinger.”  So I believe that your lead by the Spirit Sid, because that’s, I believe that this is the time.  We are approaching the tenth anniversary of 9/11 and America is fastly, or rapidly moving away from God; and this is a serious you know call, but it is something that; everything in God has an appointed the time.  He kept giving me the scripture you know. “The vision is for the appointed time,” You know write it down and it will go and now it’s just happening.

Sid:  I believe that also so let’s start out the series and there’s two CD series that we are making available and one is called “Harbinger, the Warning” and the other is called “The Harbinger, the Shaking.”  And let’s start out with the word “harbinger.”  What does that mean to you?

Jonathan:  The Harbinger means a sign, a herald of what is yet to come.  It can be used in a good sense; but generally harbinger is generally it’s a sign of warning.   And why this links up is that God gives harbingers a warning before judgment.  You know and a good God would do that and the sake of the warning is so that there won’t be judgment.  Isn’t that correct?

Jonathan:  Exactly, exactly and He did that in ancient Israel, which is really which is really the pattern which gives us really the revelation of what is happening now.  But exactly, God’s ultimate purpose is to save from judgment.

Sid:  But I don’t believe you could have come up with this key if you hadn’t seen what happened at 9/11.

Jonathan:  Yes, exactly.

Sid:  So therefore, no one could have unlocked this before 9/11, I believe.

Jonathan:  I believe you’re absolutely right and it’s not that, you know there was things that I sensed with 9/11 came you know our ministry is in Northern Jersey were near everything.  We have people in the building at the time who got out, but you know it was a sense in America that something had happened.  There was a sense among believers that there was something deeper going on and America has been – was not right with God and there’s something for this to even be allowed, you know it means something and this is the same pattern.  Actually at that time there was a scripture that came to me and I didn’t realize it back then, but it was right – it turned out to be really one of the keys of the puzzle piece.  And I was down there in ground zero, you know a little bit after and I’m walking the ground and I saw an object it was linked to a tree and something started and mystery started unfolding.

Sid:  You know I recently had lunch with a strong Christian believer and he looked me in the eye and he said, “I’m very concerned about Israel, look at Iran, and their nuclear ability and the missiles they have.”  But I said to him, “I’m not concerned about Israel, I am concerned about the United States of America.”  I see the future of Israel in the Bible, and I don’t and maybe you are one that would differ with me, but I don’t see a locked in concrete future for the United States in the Bible; I’m concerned about the United States.

Jonathan:  Well, well I believe that you are right, you know, clearly, you know there is two main things going on.  America has been blessed more than any nation has been blessed and there’s two things of it.  One is that as much as it follows God, “As a nation follows God it gets lifted up.”  We’ve been blessed from the beginning, even the early founders of America, the Puritans.  They said this was going to happen and it’s happened, but if America turns from God those blessings are not going to remain.  And the other thing is; “As America has been the greatest blesser of Israel and the principal is clear from the beginning of the Bible to the end that if you bless Israel you’re blessed, if you turn away you will not be blessed.”  And both of those factors are changing now and so we are in danger.  And the other thing is when you look at end time prophecy you don’t see America as the leader, it says all nations come against Israel.  Something has to happen between now and then and I believe you are absolutely right.

Sid:  Okay, the word harbinger as you’ve explained means “A sign or a foreshadowing of a future event” and you have found in the scriptures. “Nine harbingers,” explain what you mean.  Because if these things occurred in these steps and this is what happened in Israel then your premise is those same steps are going to happen in the country that God raised up to preserve Israel if they turn from God.

Jonathan:  Yeah, not that every situation is different, but the overall pattern is there, which is basically “A pattern of warning and coming judgment.”  Yeah, basically here’s the beginning of the key of the foundation of it.  Ancient Israel, 8th century BC Israel is founded by God or founded on His word; blessed by God, but then it departed from God.  They grew complacent they turned away from Him, they went to other gods; they turned against His ways into immorality, they actually then started coming against His people.  And now God calls them back, “He sends prophets and then He allows something to happen that was unprecedented, He allows Israel’s hedge of protection to be breached.  He allows and enemy to make a strike into the land,” and this is again as you said before, “This is not to bring judgment it is to warn of judgment,” and its wakeup call it’s an alarm.  And that’s strike, the enemy has come in; it’s temporary, it’s limited but it traumatizes the nation.  It was a sign and this is where were talking “it was a harbinger” that if the nation continues going away from God, departing from his ways it’s blessings, it’s peace, its prosperity, it’s safety it’s even defenses are going to be removed.  So the attack comes, it is short lived, but and this is the time to repent and to turn back and God gave them several years to turn back, but after a while it seemed that security had returned, but they were in danger and they didn’t realize it.  It was a grace period, the nation to choose God or to completely go away from Him and then judgment, but instead of repenting and turning to God they hardened themselves.  Israel becomes defiant they make a vow and this is going to be the key here, In Isaiah 9: verse 10 they say, and this is God telling through Isaiah; making it known what they did, they say this here is the verse, “It says, “The bricks have fallen, (that was the destruction) but we will rebuild with hewn stone the sycamores have been cut down, but we will plant cedars in their place.”  Now, it’s hard to say, “What’s that saying?”  It’s saying that you know, “No matter what God, no matter what He does to us were not going to be humbled; we’re not going to turn back; we’re just the opposite, we’re going to defy the judgment; we are going to fight back; we are actually going to turn the calamity around we are going to come back stronger than ever.  So they harden themselves and about ten years later after that first encouraging comes judgment of Israel, the same army reenters now but it’s not limited it’s a full strike and the ancient kingdom of Israel is wiped off the face of the earth.  Now what does that have to do with the last days of the ancient, what does that have to do with America?

Sid:  Right.

  Jonathan:  You see and this is a specific pattern of judgment and the calling of God.  And the last days of a nation under judgment that doesn’t turn back.  So what does that have to do with America?  America was also founded on God’s principal, blessed as no other nation has been, turned away from God, has increasingly been turning from His ways, I think it’s obvious.  It’s become complacent and actually literally coming against the ways of God.  It’s rapidly so and God is calling America back; but what happened to ancient Israel?  God lifted up the hedge of protection; it was the wake up alarm so too God has lifted up the hedge of America’s protection.  The wakeup call September 11^th 2001 America’s hedge of national protection is removed just as it was in ancient Israel.  It’s a strike comes in, God allows an enemy to come and strike and breach the borders, its temporary it’s limited but…

Sid:  I mean, I remember where I was, I remember exactly watching the television screen and watching those planes go into the Twin Towers and it looked like fantasy to me!  It looked like it wasn’t real, this is America; this doesn’t happen in America, it only happens in the movies.

Jonathan:  Exactly, exactly.  And we’ve had this sense that we were invulnerable and we were invulnerable as long as we were in God’s way.  But if we are not it says, “Unless the Lord watches the city the watchman watch in vain,” and clearly God allowed it.  And this the same exact thing that happened to ancient Israel and so in the same way this is the time for America to come back.  If you remember Sid, at that time there was…

Sid:  You know we’re out of time right now, but I know that our Mishpochah will be back.  I have a saying which I got from a Messianic Jew by the name of Dick Reuben at the Brownsville revival.  He says, “When the pattern is right, the Glory comes down.”  But the reverse is also true, “When the pattern is wrong, the judgment is released.

Sid: The devil has gone wild trying to separate Jews and Christians and the best that we can do is an ecumenical meeting of Jews and Christians where you don’t witness, you agree not to witness to the Jewish people about Jesus.  But that’s a false unity, we need the real unity and the real unity is when Jew and Gentile recognize there’s only one God and he has a name, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  And there’s only one Messiah, not a Messiah for the Muslims, a Messiah for the Jews and a Messiah for the Christians; one God, one Messiah, the Jew, Jesus and then were going to have peace.  Now my guest Gary Kah, if he was sitting in a congregation right now would be Amening me.  But Gary has worked his whole life based on a call from God to educate Christians on the entire end time anti-Christ system, the economic anti-Christ system, the religious anti-Christ system, and the political anti-Christ system.  This material is so hot that I can’t even say some of the things that he says on his three DVD’s…Now Gary a question that comes to me all the time has to do about rebuilding the temple.  Do you think that that will occur and do you think that it will occur quickly?

Gary: I do believe that it will occur.  We’ve been to Israel we were over there as a family here just a few years ago and did some research into that.  And of course just a few blocks from the Temple Mount is the Temple Institute and I’m sure you’re familiar with the preparations that have been made there.  It can actually unfold very quickly once we get to that point.  But there is I believe it’s going to be difficult for the Jews to rebuild the Temple under their own authority.  I believe that there is push underway an interfaith effort to try to make whatever is going to take place on the Temple Mount be of an interfaith nature, and there are various parties pushing that.

Sid: But wait a second now, I come from a Jewish background, and I can’t see Orthodox Jews agreeing to the Temple being interfaith.

Gary: Well now most of them would not, I believe agree to that, but here’s an interesting fact.  In fact I will give credit on this to a Christian author by the name of Joel Richardson who first broke this story; it was really historically really unprecedented in development.  And he spoke of an Islamic figure by the name of Adnan Oktar.  He actually uses the pin name Harune Yaya.  He is I believe right now the number one best selling Islamic author, over 65 million of his books are in print worldwide.  And Oktar a couple of years ago met with three representatives from the reestablished Jewish Sanhedrin and they met in Turkey and they discussed how religious Muslims, Jews and Christians can work together on the project of rebuilding the temple.  If you can believe it or not, Mr. Oktar refers to this coming Temple as the Majid or the mosque or the palace of Solomon.  This is a direct quote from Adnan Oktar, this leading Islamic figure; he says “The palace of Solomon is a historically important palace and rebuilding it would be a very wonderful thing.  It is something that any Jew, a Christian, or a Muslim should welcome with enthusiasm.   Every Muslim, every believer will want to return to those days to experience those days again and all be it partially to bring the beauty of those days back to life.”  Then he adds that the Temple of Solomon “Will be rebuilt and all believers will worship there in tranquility.”  Then he added that he believed that the temple will be rebuilt in one year.  And I quote him one last time. “It could be done in a year at most; it could be built to the same perfection and beauty. The Torah says that it was built in thirteen years, if I remember correctly, it could be rebuilt in a year in its perfect form.”  So this is coming from a top Islamic leader.  And then you also have some figures in the Sanhedrin, in fact they post this on the…

Sid: Excuse me, for those that don’t understand, what is the Sanhedrin?

Gary: Well this is a group now that has reemerged to prepare everything for temple worship in the future.  They are getting this ready and they see they see themselves as being the priests or the leaders and setting the stage for the coming worship in the temple once it is rebuilt.  And so they are moving in that direction.

Sid: And do you know what I find interesting in your literature, you talk about an ultraorthodox Jewish group that wrote in their Israeli newspaper “Children wanted for future temple services.”  I mean that is, that’s really getting there.

Gary: Yeah, that’s correct and that was a few years back and of course these children would be getting older now and being prepared to lead in the temple.  And so this is coming together behind the scenes.  But what I’m wondering Sid and I hope that this does not take place, but where I see some of these individuals going from Islam and at least a few from Judaism is a type of International House of God or House of Prayer that could be a type of interfaith place.  And I’m wondering if that were to happen, if that were to happen that would come across as being the politically correct thing to do that the UN and other political international entities would seem to be supportive of.  And I’m wondering if that might not be part of the big deception of how to get the religions of the world on board and to go along with this.  So we’ll just have to watch and see.  I don’t know but it is very interesting to say the least.

Sid: Well, talk just a tiny bit about this movement called “Chrislamic.”

Gary: This is growing very quickly in Christian circles in the United States including in evangelical circles.  And you’ve got some of the top names, some of the top three or four names, I won’t name them here, but most people listening would recognize their names who have thrown their name into the ring on this.

Sid: This is on our DVDs you do name a lot of these people.

Gary: Yes, I do, I do but those that are trying to bring about global government, unification of the world religions have realize that their biggest obstacle and challenge has been in the area of Uniting Christianity with Islam.  And that is beginning to change now; they are pushing hard on bringing Islam and Christianity very closely together to the point where one of these individuals an evangelical Christian allegedly, actually celebrated Ramadan with an Islamic friend.  Now again, I have nothing against reaching out to Muslims in love, but when you celebrate and participate in the religious ritual of another religion to me that is interfaithism.  You are embracing part of that religion and this is very serious stuff and I believe  that it’s forbidden in scripture to do that but some of these individuals have gone that far to actually practice certain rituals with Islamic people.

Sid: And also you brought to my attention that within a few days of each other many major people called out for a two state solution in the Middle East.  People like the Pope, President Obama, Tony Blair, the only way they could have done that within a couple days is as if it was orchestrated.

Gary: Yes, in fact the terminology was nearly identical that all three of those individuals were using and so clearly they are on the same page together I believe when it comes to a two state solution in Israel and also with the internationalization of Jerusalem.

Sid: Now speaking about the internationalization of Jerusalem most people aren’t aware of the amount of money Syria is pouring into Hamas to win by military force Israel for the Moslems and you say that a lot of the damage their doing isn’t even reported in our press.

Gary: Oh, that’s right Hamas has been attacking Israel almost weekly they’re bombarding Israel with rockets and Hasbola recently has also been on the attack and almost nothing on the international media about this because it would make Israel appear to be the victim and something the bias international media does not want to do and so there is very little reporting about this.  And also very little reporting over the fact that Syria has been the bastion for most of the terrorist organizations of the Middle East, almost all of them have their main hub in Syria, although they’re being supplied largely through Iran.  Iran is shipping some of their best equipment to Syria. And Iran is getting much of it from North Korea and China so there is this funnel from North Korea and China through Iran into Syria and from there into various terrorist groups, such as…

Sid: Then you have the alliance of Russia and China, strange bedmates.

Gary: Well, that’s it too, and Syria is still a major stronghold for the Russians in the Middle East, in fact there are thousands of Russian advisors in Syria right now and they pretty much control and command the base along the Mediterranean.

Sid: Gary, I’m sorry our time is slipping away.

Dennis: Well, either God is in control or he is not, this is a prophetic song I received for a couple of my children when I got to the Lord in intercession for anyone, I begin asking the Lord for a song of deliverance for them.  About three years ago one of my daughters called, she had just been married a year and I heard her say Daddy, and just the way that she said, Daddy I knew that something was wrong, come to find out her marriage was struggling, she and her husband were struggling through that first year of marriage and they were about ready to call it quits.  And a long story made short we just began to ask the Lord “What is this song of deliverance for Glory and Shawn, we need to hear that, they need to hear that, so let me hear it Father.  In the meantime we begin to do warfare; we went to their home, prayed over it, just for quite a while.  Long story made short, their marriage was reconciled, there stronger than ever; they’re young men and women of faith but they had just believed some lies.  And this song is just from the Father’s perspective, I heard Father singing it over my daughter and my Son -in-law and it does have a definite anointing.  We’re just seeing people set free in the area of understanding God is in control even when it seems like the storms are raging around you, even when it seems everything is falling to pieces, He’s still on the throne.  He still rules and reign and He will use even the storms, He wastes nothing, He will use everything that we bring to Him for His glory and our good.  And so that’s the story of this song.

Sid: You know Dennis if someone was listening to us right now and they heard a word from God Himself that everything was going to be all right, I believe they would believe everything is going to be all right.  But I happen to believe that you got this word from Heaven and when they hear this music everything it’s going to be all right.  Are you getting reports like that?

Dennis: Oh, all the time, all the time it just, the way that people put it is that they’ll say things like “You’re saying things that we didn’t even know how to say and you put our prayers and our thoughts into words that we can actually sing or receive from the Lord.  Another thing that you hear is that I never knew God loved me like that, can you believe that in this day and age people don’t know, even Christians don’t even believe that God loves them.  Not only do I believe that He love us, I believe that He likes being with us, because I love being with my kids.  I literally just love being in their presence, and if I do that as an earthly father, how much more does our Heavenly Father just love being in our midst.  He loves it, He absolutely loves it.  So He loves us so we just need to just enjoy and rest in being His children.  And I guarantee life will get very abundant when we learn to do that.

Sid: Now, you originally got this from heaven for your own children, they were having marital problems, after you played this, what happened to them?

Dennis: Well, hope begins to rise up in the soul because all of a sudden when you begin to see from the King’s point of view you realize that you’ve been deceived, you’ve been lied to.  So you put he lies under your feet where they belong and my son-in-law and daughter just began to do that.  They just began to put on the truth and began to realize first of all my son-in-law believed he wasn’t good enough for my daughter and my word to him was you know what, the Lord thought you were good enough for my daughter, we would have never let you marry her if we didn’t think that you were the one.  So let’s put that under our feet where it belong and put on the truth of who God says you are; you are the chosen one for my daughter.  Same thing for her, and so we saw the marriage restored, we literally saw the marriage restored, amazing.

Sid: If you will believe right now that this is a song from heaven that this a promise to you from God Himself, no matter what you’re dealing with all things are possible.  And this is what God is saying to you right now; it’s going to be all right.

Dennis Jernigan’s excerpt, “It’s Going to be All Right.”

Sid: …Now that song is from his CD of the most anointed music that he has. Dennis I want you to say a prophetic word that everyone is going to be all right.  Would you say that to them right now?

Dennis: Sure, God is absolutely in control and one of the things that we can do to come along side and really affirm that belief in our own lives and encourage our own souls is to realize, you do not have to jump through any hoops for God’s approval or His love, He loved you while you were yet a sinner and Christ died for you.  So that means He loves being with you, love being with Him, enjoy His presence and understand that there’s nothing that you go through that you go through alone, absolutely nothing.  He is there, realize it and call out to Him, He can be anywhere you are instantaneously because He is.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to understand what the Jewish Patriarchs understood about the power of the blessing, to understand what Jesus understood about the power of the blessing.  I have Pastor Bill Ligon who has devoted a great deal of his life understanding this mystery that has been stolen from the church.  He went back to the Jewish roots, he studied with was it a reformed Jewish Rabbi?

Bill: No, he was a conservative, Rabbi.

Sid: A conservative, oh well, that’s Jewish; my Father used to say reformed wasn’t even Jewish.  No, he was Jewish.

Bill: He was conservative and kosher.  He was kosher.

Sid: When I became a Messianic Jew my Father said, “Reformed looks pretty good.”  Ha-ha.  So, he’s made it a point to really study and as far as I’m concerned he’s the pioneer in understanding imparting the blessing.  And Jesus understood this; I mean he understood it, because it hadn’t been stolen from the Jewish people; it was just stolen from the church.  How did Jesus use the power of the blessing?

Bill: Jesus began his ministry by speaking a series of blessings over his disciples.  Now consider who those men were; they were fishermen, they were called Galileans, they were considered unlearned, untrained in the rabbinical schools, one was a tax collector.  And yet Jesus took these men and he formed them into apostles, they had apostolic statue now eternally in the church and it all began when Jesus started speaking a series of blessings over them.  We call them the beatitudes.  He blessed them with everything that they needed to fulfill their destiny and purpose as successful men in the kingdom of God.  But then in Matthew chapter 5: 13 & 14 He said something unusual to them; now this is at the beginning of His ministry with them.  He said, “You are the salt of the earth and you are the light of the world.”

Sid: But at that point they weren’t.

Bill: They were neither, they had no evidence of it, they were rowdy men, they were jealous with each other, they would argue with each other.  The fact is before it was over; Peter would deny the Lord three times and even curse the third time.  But Jesus said to them, “You are and they became everything that He said that they were.  Now that becomes a model for us, so that we are to pray and ask God to show us not only with our children, but with our husband, with our wife, the potential in them with our employees, and with our employer, with other people.  All people show me the potential in this person that I’m going to speak blessing over.

Sid: Now you are talking about loving people the way Jesus did and seeing them not as they are, but what they are destined to be.

Bill: Exactly, and then Jesus then taught them the Biblical principles of blessing; He showed them how to do it.  Even showed them how to bless children, when in Mark chapter 10 He lifted children up upon His lap and he blessed them; the scripture says that He blessed them.  You know the last thing that Jesus ever did Sid is found in Luke 24:49 when he was ready to lift up into heaven as he was going up into the cloud the scripture says that He lifted His hands and blessed the people.  Now I attended, my wife and I attended a Jewish Bar mitzvah for the grandson to some Jewish friends of ours one time and afterward we went to a nice dinner with them and I was seated with a Rabbi who was a visiting Rabbi and I found him to be a very congenial man.  And I said, “Rabbi, I said, you know in Luke 24:49 when Jesus was ascending into heaven he lifted his hands and blessed his followers; what do you think he said over them?”  And this is what he said Sid? “He said, Jesus was a Rabbi,” I said, I agree, a teacher that means teacher.  He said, “In order to fulfill his rabbinical Judaism, among other things he had to be saying the high priestly blessing.”  He said, “I agree with you fully.  “I believe that when Jesus was ascending into Heaven that he was saying over his people, May the Lord Bless you and keep you; may the Lord cause His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you, may the Lord let the light of His countenance on you and give you His peace.”  The Rabbi said, “I agree with you, I believe that he had to be saying that when he was ascending into heaven.”  And I said, “Yes and I believe that at that point he released upon them special favor that was followed not to many days after that with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon their lives.”  Now Jesus did that and that becomes our model and that’s the way that we are to live.  Were to all the people, we to whom we relate, we are to do the same thing Sid.  And it makes a tremendous difference in our lives.

Sid: Now, you’ve pointed out if people sit under your teaching get this revelation you pointed out that marriages, husbands and wives bond together in their spirit; that children start fulfilling their destiny and honoring their parents.  What about businessman, how does the blessing affect them?

Bill: Tremendously, we had one man move to Brunswick with his wife and a little girl and he worked very hard in his company, but he couldn’t seem to get ahead everything always seemed to fall apart for him.  He secured a copy of this material on “Imparting the blessings,” studied it carefully.  And then it dawned on him, my problem is my father raised me under verbal curses.  He always spoke negative to me, he didn’t talk to me accept when I was doing something wrong.  And you know a study was made that determined that the average father speaks to his child five minutes a day and that’s only when he’s misbehaving, speaking correction over him and warning him that he needs to change his ways.  Now that’s what that father has been doing to him.  Not only that, but the Father had never said, “Son, I love you.”  He had never heard his father say that, so he got in his car, drove to Atlanta, where his father lived, about a five hour drive from here.  And when he reached his father’s home walked into the house, his father gave him a stiff arm hand shake, with a manly hello son, “How are you?”  And he said, “Pastor I didn’t let go of his hand that time, it’s the first time I’d ever done that.”  He said, “I pulled him to me and I said, “Dad I want you to know something, I love you.”  He said, “My father turned away from me,”  He said, “I grabbed him by the shoulders and turned him back toward me, looked him in the eye and said, “Dad, I said I love you and she said, my father turned his head away from me and mumbled.”  And I grabbed his cheeks and turned his face back to me and I put my nose up against his and looked him in the eye and said, “Daddy I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you.  And he said, I said it until finally my Dad broke and he said, Son I love you too.  And at that point when he fell into my arms he said, and he said, we just hugged and hugged for a long time.  When he regained his composure I taught my Dad the principals of blessing.  And I said, “Dad you never received blessing in your life, you never heard your Dad say, I love you and now you’ve told me that you love me and I knew that you loved me I guess, all the time, but I didn’t feel it within me.  I was struggling under that curse, now would you reverse that and speak blessings over my life?” He had them written out, he said, “I’ll do it son.”  So he got down on his knees in front on his daddy and his daddy laid hands on him, and spoke blessing over him.  Sid he came back to Brunswick and the only challenge I had was that he became so successful with his company they promoted him and moved him out of town.

Sid: Oh, you got to watch this blessing teaching though.

Bill: That’s right to the national headquarters.  And several years later my wife and I were in Birmingham speaking in a church and I looked and he was in the congregation.  After the service he came up and said, “Pastor would you go home with me?”  So we followed him to his house, went through a guard gate, up a mountainside, up a hillside to a home, beautiful home up on the mountain side and we sat in his beautiful library.  And he said, “Pastor, thank you for what I learned on the power of the spoken blessing; when I went to my Dad it changed my life,” he said, “Everything you see here is paid for,” he said, “I’m active in my church, I’m more than a thither.” And he said, “It all came about because of the power of the blessing,” that’s what God did.”

Sid: Bill, tell me the areas that you cover in your course.

Bill: Well, first of all we talk to people about the value of their children; they need to understand that first of all.  Or the value of your wife or the value of your husband, they have to get that in their mind first.  Employers, they need to understand the value of their employees; or the employees, the value of their employer; that’s so important.  Secondly we talk to them and give them a biblical overview of the principals of blessing.  And then we teach them on why they should bless their children and then we teach them what the patriarchs knew, how the patriarchs imparted blessing.  And then we show them the redemptive power of the blessing.  There is tremendous redemptive power and it’s all played out in the life of Jacob in the Old Testament, we show them how that is done.  Then we have a chapter on how to bless your children showing them how to impart blessing to them and then a chapter on how to break the curse, the spoken curses over their lives.  You see there are two types of curses in the Bible.  There is the curse of the law that’s broken by the blessing of the Blood of Jesus, of Yeshua.  And then there is spoken curse that can only be broken by the spoken blessing, we teach them how to do that.  And then in the last chapter in the book we show them how to plan a special blessing service just like a Birthday Party and to have that service one at a time for each member of the household.

Sid: Well, you know when in Jewish circles that’s a time for presents too, so I mean that sounds better than Christmas to me, our Bar Mitzvahs.  Well, you’ve been to Jewish Bar Mitzvahs, those are happenings.  So it’s got to me a happening when someone has opened up to the blessings of God and the name of God is invoked on them; what a blessing, better than a fountain pen.  Ha-ha.

Bill: We were at a Bar Mitzvah for one of our own church members.  One of the boys in the church Sid, while we were in that blessing that boy the parents were there, the grandparents, the friends and neighbors with their pastors the Lord spoke and said to my wife, “Well, you are finally doing what I wanted you to do all the time.”  And that’s why God put it on my heart in 1973 to be a part of restoring the principals of the spoken blessing to the church and to the families in America and other places in the world.

Sid: Missing, missing, missing, but no longer will it be missing for you.  What the Jewish Patriarch knew…

Sid: My guest A.J. Jones is a little epistle of the love of Father God, as you understand her story you’re going to get a revelation of how much God really loves you.  And once you get that revelation no one will ever take that away from you again.  And we found out that AJ was contemplating suicide; overdosing on medication; audible voice of God stopped her; friend forced her to go to a Vineyard Church; wasn’t her style.  The very first song was “Father I want You to Hold Me” and her own father had recently committed suicide.  Just a horrible story and she went to pieces; just sobbed and cried and then John Arnott had a word of knowledge, what was that word and what happened to you AJ?

AJ: Well, I was at the very back of the sanctuary and I had cried through most of the service and he said, “There’s somebody here that needs to know that Daddy loves them.”  And I remember thinking in my head I’m not going up there, there’s sixty people here watching me, but it was literally like angels were pushing me or something, because I got up out of my seat.  Even though I had no intention of doing it and I walked to the front and I walked into his arms and I literally cried all over John for over about forty minutes, I mean snot, tears, the whole thing.  And John closed out the service; he was supporting most of my weight, I think I was crying to hard and he closed out the service and at the end of the service he introduced me to Jeremy Senate who was our worship pastor and another man named Ian Ross.  Those three men and between John and Ian and Jeremy started fathering me really and loving me back to life.

Sid: Now, how in the world did you get free of your anorexic condition; your suicidal condition; your severe asthma; how did you get free of those things?

AJ: Well the anorexia and the suicidal was all the same night it was a number of months later it was in ’92 the beginning of ’92 and it was a Sunday night and we were doing like a Sunday night service where they invited all the different churches together.  And I was sitting there and in the midst of the service the guy that was speaking he stops and he started prophesying over me so he turned to my friend next to me and he said, “Sandy, who is this sitting next to you.”  And I didn’t really understand prophesy so in my head I was kind of mocking him.”  Well, like “If you’re a prophet why don’t you know my name that kind of thing.”  And any way he told me to stand up and he said, “He started by saying, AJ your father’s dead and he’s not coming back.”  And that really shocked me, because nobody knew, nobody knew I was hallucinating.  I had been removed from a mall that week, I had convinced myself that even though I cleaned up the suicide, I identified his body in the morgue, and I picked his casket.  I didn’t want to deal with life and so I had convinced myself that “No, he’s not dead and he’s on a trip somewhere, he’s going to be back,” you know whatever.  And now I was hallucinating and seeing him in this mall and so I had run through a mall screaming “Daddy wait,” and when I couldn’t find him, I dropped to my knees and started bawling in this department store.  And the mall security had come and got me and so he started with that and I knew right away, I don’t know how he knows this but somehow he’s hearing from God you know.  And then he walked back through my life, and he as just like, “You know when you were seven you tried to kill yourself and when you were thirteen you tried to kill yourself,” and he went through all this stuff.  And he said, you know he came to the end of it, he went on for about ten minutes and he said, “You don’t want your life now,” which was accurate, I had written suicide letters and I was planning my escape you know.”  And you know I was still having trouble and he said, “If you don’t want your life, why don’t you give it to God and see what He can do with it.”  And at the end of that service he called me out into the aisle and I came out and he came over and he prayed for me and I ended up on the floor.  I had no idea why I was on the floor, this wasn’t part of what I understood church to be about, but I was on the floor and I started laughing.  And it was the first time I had laughed since before my Dad had died and I didn’t know why I was laughing and I couldn’t stop laughing.  But when I got up off the floor from that day on I never struggled with eating disorders again, I never struggled with suicide again.  I mean it was just like all this stuff…

Sid: Well, you know the Bible says that a merry heart is good medicine, you had about forty-five minutes of intense medicine and you literally were set free.  But what about the severe asthma briefly tell me.

AJ: Well, that happened a couple of years later, or I guess it was about; well it was New Year’s Eve going into ’94 and I was away with WYAM.  And my asthma had sort of stepped up a level in the last two years where my lungs were collapsing and they didn’t know why and I could just be talking, not over exerting myself or anything and my lower lung would collapse and that would single a start of a very severe attack.  So it would be like countdown to getting to a hospital and I always had medication and crazy stuff with me.  Anyway, that particular evening we were all taking communion as a team, we were going to fly out  the next morning to go to Honduras and my specialist in Toronto had asked me not to go; he said, “That I believe if you go to Honduras you come back in a body bag; there is no way you are going to survive it.  And I said “Well you know I believe that the Lord has told me to go and so it’s His plan, not my plan and I just want to go with what I’m supposed to do”.  So he had phoned my Mom and said, “You let her go and she comes back in a body bag.”  And so I went back with insurance to have my body shipped back, and I’m sitting there and my lung collapses and so I left the group and I went into the room to find my medication bag because I had an oxygen machine I travel with.  And my medication bag was missing and that was very very bad.  And so I started ripping apart everybody’s bags even though we were leaving in six hours and couldn’t find it anywhere.  My cousin came in because she came to YWAM with me and she looked at me and I said, “Call an ambulance.”  And so she called an ambulance and the leaders of the school came in and they said, “Can we pray and I said, “I don’t care, as long as you called an ambulance.”  Because I’ve had prayer like thirty times and never been healed and in that moment didn’t have faith, my faith was more in line with this could be very very bad you know.  And so they said, “Fine, we’ve called it and can we pray and they prayed and as they prayed they actually did deliverance more than healing prayer.”  And as they did that all of sudden my lung re-inflated;  the asthma attack just stopped dead and I haven’t had one since then and it’s now been over twenty years.

Sid:  You got a letter from your doctor, what did it say?

AJ: It said, well when I went back in to see him, he didn’t believe that I was standing of him and so; you know we had gotten kind of close because he saw me every week and so he was like, “You didn’t go.”  And I said, “No, I did go do the tests God’s healed me.”  And so he did the tests, he did all these pulmonary function tests that I had to do on a regular basis, I mean they had so much information on me because they didn’t know why my lungs were collapsing and he did them.  And when the information came back he said, “Your lungs are more than three times the size of the capacity that they have ever had on a very very good day.”  And he wrote me a letter that said, “I can’t not explain this than anything other than an act of God.”

Sid: Was this doctor a Christian?

AJ: No, he wasn’t, he was lovely Jewish guy.

Sid: Ha-ha, even better!  You know with all the experience that you’ve gone through, with the understanding that you have now…your teaching is so amazing, for instance your revelation when Jesus said to His disciples, “I’m not going to leave you as an orphan,” what is God showing you about that?  That’s in John 14:18.

AJ: Yeah, “I will not leave you as orphans,” well I mean Jesus there is actually, He’s not speaking to speaking to physical orphans he’s speaking to actual disciples and we know who some of their parents were.  But he’s actually speaking about a spiritual condition and the revelation that sort of goes along with that is just that most of us are, even though we are loved by the Father, and it’s a positional truth that we are children, you know we are His children, we are not living like we are.  We are not living like we are fully loved, we are not living like we’re accepted, we’re not living like we have an inheritance we’re still living like orphans.  We are still living like we still living like we have to fight for everything we can get like, you know we’re in it on our own instead of Him actually being Our Father and helping us live our lives and live them to the fullest.  And what He meant was you and I are designed to live 24 hours a day seven days a week in the Father’s presence.  That’s the place that we’re designed to live, and we’re not actually meant to live any place less than that.  And most of aren’t, most of us aren’t living in the Father’s presence.

Sid: And you know what?  As you with all you’ve been through as you live in the Father’s presence you’re seeing the most outrageous miracles.  Tell me about the time when you prayed for eight deaf people.

AJ: That that was awesome we were in Iceland and we were just having a meeting in Iceland and there was eight deaf people in one service just during like the worship and ministry time at the beginning that all got completely healed.  And probably my favorite ones within those eight were this couple that were in their sixties and had been deaf their whole lives.  They were married and they came up on the stage and they heard each other talking for the first time with us standing there and they just were bawling and everybody was bawling and I mean it was amazing.

Sid: What’s it like to be; to know you’re not an orphan you’re living in God’s presence 24-7 and you have the pure love of Father God.  What is like for you A.J?

AJ: It changes everything, I mean it enables you to deal with the stuff that you’ve been through and trust that God’s going to get you through it.  It enables you not to be defined by what you’ve been through, but to be defined by who God says that you are.  It changes absolutely everything; you can go out and be His representative, be His kid and see His Kingdom come wherever you go because you know that you’re his.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Kerry Kirkwood. And Kerry, you received a revelation. It was a revelation to you, but it was an ancient revelation. It’s in the Jewish Scriptures. It’s the power of the blessing. Give me an example, like the pastor that would go by the topless bar and curse it every day; and he’d go by it everyday, every month, every year, and nothing would change. Nothing! Tell me about him.

KERRY: Well he thought he was really doing what God wanted him to do, to curse. And so he’d go by and he would just say, “I command that place to burn down” or “I command those people to feel the fear of God upon them.” So nothing happened. In fact, he actually saw the parking lot get more full. And so we began to talk about this. And I said, “You know, the will of God is speaking what is on the heart of God; and you’re just cursing the very thing that God wants to change in their lives.” And so he said, “What do you mean?” And I said, “Well just consider: the Bible says that it’s not God’s will that any should perish; but all shall come to the knowledge of the Son of God. So why not get on the same page as what God is for those people.” So when he started going by, he said, “I bless them to come into the knowledge of the Son of God. I bless them to have a revelation of the Lord himself.”

SID: That’s really a different thing coming out of his mouth. It’s a different spirit.

KERRY: Exactly. He felt empowered by the cursing. But now he began to see that it really was; he was in agreement with Heaven itself. And so when he started doing that, after about a week of this, he came by one day and there was a For Sale sign in the parking lot; and the place was for sale, and they moved out. And it wasn’t for a lack of business. But he saw things began to change because he came into agreement with the Word of God.

SID: Explain to me briefly, what the power of the blessing is, as you understand it.

KERRY: Well we all understand and we use the word “generally”. But blessing is not just about material things. But it’s actually a prophetic declaration. In the Old Testament the word, “barach;” in the New Testament: “eulegeo.” Eulegeo is the idea of “speak well of”. We get the word “eulogy from it. People have a eulogy at a funeral.

SID: And they usually speak well of someone even if he hasn’t been such a good guy.

KERRY: That’s exactly it. But when you begin to see things from the perspective of God and you’re beginning to bless them, not for where they are, and here’s really the difference. Blessing is not reporting to God the way things are, but declaring the intentions of God, the way He intended for them really to be; and cursing means to declare for something to be in a lower place, lower position than what God really intended for it to be.

SID: So it’s really Hebraic understanding. How does that comes from the Jewish Scriptures?

KERRY: Well you look in Genesis 49, where Jacob is laying hands on his sons, and he’s prophesying over them their destiny; not just of their past reporting of their experience. But he says, “Joseph, you shall be a fruitful bow.” Well what happens to Joseph? He’s moved into Egypt, and now he is exactly that, a fruitful bow who’s there to save his own race. And, so you see that blessing is a prophetic destiny; that can release people into what God intended for them all the while.

SID: How would you like to feel the pleasure of God? How would you like your mouth; which God says has been called to bless and not curse, and change everything around you? Kerry, you told me even generational curses are broken when you do this. How’s that work out?

KERRY: Yes. Well for years, people have reported the facts around their life. They just talk about how bad things are. They talk about how bad the economy is. Their family is negative in a sense. And so I’ve seen families where they begin to reverse that curse by declaring God’s intention for their family; and blessing their children, and speaking over them. Isaiah 54 is that: “That your children shall be blessed of the Lord.”

SID: So rather than reporting, “You never pay attention! You’re never going to amount to anything! You’re going to end up in prison!” What should they be saying?

KERRY: Well all they have to do is say, what the heart of God in this? As a parent, what would you like to see happen for your children?

SID: How about your children? Tell me what you did with one of your children.

KERRY: We started targeting a particular blessing. I have a son that began a general contracting business. So he began to bless the contracts and the people that he was going to do business with that day. I bless them that they are given by God as an effective tool to bless me, and I bless them. And his first contract out, he made $80,000 and never saw the people, never saw the work. It was done through the Internet.

SID: And it was done by the power of the Jewish blessing. When we come back, you’re going to find the power that can occur in your marriage; the power that can occur in your job; the power that can occur…Believe this or not. Someone took; a pastor, took this teaching to heart and started blessing their body; and new arteries, after a quadruple bypass occurred, started growing. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Chuck Pierce. Chuck, I love the gift of prophecy, the true gift of prophecy. And I have to tell you, I have a problem. My problem is, coming from a Jewish background, reading the prophets in the Old Testament; reading about Samuel; reading that not one word fell to the ground that he stated; and after all, if there’s no time in eternity, and God knows everything, He’s not going to make a mistake. I hear too many cop-outs today on prophecies. Well people didn’t pray enough. I hear these excuses. I just want to see someone prophecy like an Old Testament prophet, and we have even a better covenant.

CHUCK: A newer, a new covenant.

SID: Ok. Now in 2005, God told you something that you had a lot chutzpah to say; that there would be an African-American president. In 2008, you received a word of what this president that will be in office; obviously it’s now, it’s Barak Obama; would do that would dramatically affect our nation three years later, in May of 2011. Tell me about it.

CHUCK: Well see, Sid, what was happening was, he had yet even been nominated. And yet, I knew, because of what God had said, who was going to be nominated. But that wasn’t the issue. Because remember, God was going to heal this issue of the division from racism in our nation. But it was going to actually get a little worse for us, because we were going to have to go deeper, and deal with anti-Semitism. And what God showed me, He caught me up. He gave me an incredible vision. We were at the Liberty Park. I was doing a big meeting there. I was the guest speaker. It was a meeting of1500 people. And the Lord caught me up, and began to show me three years in advance, what would happen; and how He would start looking at America based upon how America would align with Israel. And that this President would then come back, and start pulling Israel; and be a tremendous advocate, to pull Israel out of its current progression and restoration; back to the state of where it was, before it actually began its new boundaries, and new progress.

SID: So in effect, when President Barak Obama made the proclamation…

CHUCK: …in May

SID: …In May, which you knew three years from then.

CHUCK: It was very specific. It would be May 2011.

SID: And the proclamation was Israel should go back its pre-’67 borders. When President Barak Obama made that proclamation, what happened in the invisible world to America?

CHUCK: It pulled us back into the progress we had made spiritually. See, when you make a declaration like that…

SID: Could it affect racism even?

CHUCK: It will cause racism to rise up – back to 1967.

SID:  Whoa!

CHUCK:  See, it’s going to cause things. But see, God saw it in time, so it will be in this age. It won’t look like it was pre-1967. It will cause our nation to begin to have to process this age with that demonic structure; that we’ve already warred through, in measure. See, covenant, all nations reconcile around Israel. So if you’re attempting to bring; and being the proponent or voice, to bring Israel back into a place where it is not progressing, but back where it loses a lot of what it’s already worked for; you’re going to do the same thing in your own freedom.

SID: Do you see a correlation of the following events? Right after President Barak Obama made that statement, in Joplin, Missouri, we were hit with the deadliest tornado; the deadliest in 70 years. Do you see a correlation?

CHUCK: Well see, actually you had Alabama. Again, we’re back to Alabama. Then you had Missouri. Both had deadly, deadly tornados. Alabama, I just came from there last weekend, here. Alabama went into, it lost almost 400 people, and then Joplin lost a whole city. I mean, almost a whole city wiped aside. Do I see a correlation? Yes, I see it releases a spiritual force that brings; because I believe God controls the wind; and I believe biblically from a prophetic standpoint; we see that winds can be adverse and controlled by the enemy, or winds can be sent by the Lord. I believe the enemy structure came into this land. And now what God is going to ask us to do now; we’re coming into a place where we’re going to have to war for our covenant alignment; and the roots of the covenant of this land, coming back into alignment with the God of Israel.

SID: You have so many revelations. Do you see a correlation, right after President Barak Obama released those words into the atmosphere; that Israel should go back to the pre-’67 borders? Do you see a correlation with what happened to the president of the IMF, International Monetary Fund?

CHUCK: Absolutely. Absolutely.

SID: And by the way, this was the man that was caught attacking a maid in a hotel room, and lost everything as a result of it.

CHUCK: See, I see all of a sudden. And it just wasn’t Barak Obama. You can go back to President Bush, when he made certain statements that created a movement in the atmosphere, during the time of Katrina; the hurricane that hit America, and came up through New Orleans. You’re going to start seeing a correlation. Why? Because there’s certain scripture that talks about how we are in the process, when we won’t listen to the voice of God, He has ways of speaking. He has ways of getting our attention.

SID: Now here’s some good news. There are ways that you can be like the children of Israel, when they were slaves; and the curses came on the Egyptians, and they bypassed the Jewish people. And there’s ways of…you can get out of the mess that’s coming. In fact, Chuck Pierce saw what will happen over the next five years, in the United States of America. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.

Matt: Yeah, that’s right it was you know, I believe everyone is on a private journey in the Lord where God is bringing them from glory to glory and making them the person He’s destined them to be.  And one of the things I really believe is that if we are to have an extraordinary power filled anointed life where we move into our future, our future is brought into our now moment there are times where God will have you deal with issues from your past because you can’t move forward until you deal with your past.  And for me as God was raising me up and calling me and preparing me for His future work for me one of the things that He dealt with in my own heart was my sense of identity.  You know, I think because of what God was doing in my life I was not the type of kid that just fit in with the crowd.  I didn’t fit in with the crowd and as a result of that I experienced some rejection, I experienced some things in my life that were very painful and the Lord had to come into my heart and show me how even my painful life experiences distorted my sense of identity and self image and self worth.  The Lord had you know, I was going on a Young Adult Retreat, I was one of the youngest ones there and I was in prayer during the retreat and the Lord spoke to me that my identity had become an idol.  The way that I perceived myself had become an idol because it was exalted above what God said about me.  And I didn’t even realize that my perception was off, I didn’t realize it, I didn’t know it; that my identity was wrong or that there was…

Sid: Just briefly so I can understand what was this wrong identity?

Matt: It was a sense of rejection that I carried around with me, where I just felt like an outcast, I felt like I didn’t fit in, I felt like I didn’t belong.

Sid: So how did He change this to have your correct identity?

Matt: Well, as I was praying the Lord through that weekend the Lord began to give me revelation.  First He spoke to me at another point in the weekend that, that my mindset that the enemy had gotten a foothold in my mindset and then another day later He said that foothold has been there so long that it’s now become a stronghold.  It’s become something ingrained in your way of thinking and you need to be set free from it.  And once I got that revelation that I actually needed to have my mindset free I went to some of the leaders in the group and we prayed together and as we prayed together this anointing came upon me and I could feel inside my heart inside my soul walls crumpling down.  Literally emotional things, walls that had been built up on the inside of me just crumble and demolish and I could feel freedom.  And the Lord began to renew my mind and began to renew the way I saw myself, the way I saw God, the way I saw other people and my whole identity began to get formed and solidified in Christ.  Who He said I was who I was in God and it totally set me free from the past so that I could be free to move forward.

Sid: And this is so important for everyone, because everyone has been wounded from the past but then there was another highlight in your life where you spent a day with God at your office at the church.  Briefly tell me about that.

Matt: Yeah, this was when a few years past and you know God was working in my life and then the Lord called me into ministry and I was a young pastor at the church and as I was one day walking into my office in the church and as I opened up my office door the literal tangible presence of God’s glory was in my office.  And I walked in and the voice of God spoke to me and He said, “Shut the door I want to spend this whole day with you.”  So I shut the door, I sat down in my chair and the weight of glory so strong I didn’t even have to wait a minute it was just right there, He was right there.  He came upon me and it must have been twelve hours where I spent the whole day, afternoon into the night just in the manifest presence of God.  One of the strongest glories I have ever experienced in my life.

Sid: And He spoke to you about taking time with Him.

Matt: Yeah, because you know what happens is that I think this happens with a lot of people, they start to pray, they start to set time aside with God and then their mind goes in all these different directions of what they have to do and just things of life and that is what started to happen to me that day.  And I felt guilty actually for taking time to pray, because I knew that I had other things that I had to do in the natural.  But the Lord spoke to me so clearly that day, and it shifted my whole life.  It literally set a plumbline for my walk with God.  And He said, “If you don’t have this time with me now, you’ll not be able to walk into what I have for you in the future.”  And at that point as a Pastor I had no idea that God was going to launch me into a worldwide healing ministry, prophetic ministry where we would see thousand saved and healed.  I did not know that that was in God’s plan for me back then.  But alls he told me was you have to have this time with me now, it’s vital if you want to move into what I have for you in the future.

Sid: And you know, it’s like I can see how God is preparing you for what you would do in the future, but there’s an area where most ministers that have a tremendous presence of God fall.  And when you were a freshman in college, God spoke to you about the importance of character.

Matt: Yeah, it was the very first prophetic word God ever spoke to me.  I was a freshman in college and there was a word that the Lord gave me.  He said, “The top of my list for you is the bottom of your list and the bottom of your list is the top of my list.”  And the Lord said to me, “The top of my list for you is the refinement of your character, not the fulfillment of your ministry.”  He said, “I want your roots to go so deep in Me that when the day of success comes to you you’ll not be moved, but you’ll be solid and strong.”  And the Lord showed me that day that His agenda for my life was the refinement of my character and building that firm foundation and having my personal roots go so deep in Him that when He would use me in the future that it would not move me at all; all the glory would go to God and there would be a depth in my spirit.

Sid: You know Matt, one of my concerns is there are so many young people in many new Bible schools that are getting moving in the prophetic, moving in signs and wonders, but it seems as though they’re deficient in the character, they dress like the world, they talk like the world, they go to the same entertainment as the world.  And I have a great trepidation that with all that power they’re still going to self destruct.

Matt: Right, and you see the power of God is access by faith, so you can be saved one day and by faith begin to access the prophetic, access the power realm, access miracles, but yet you’ve had no time for character development or that refinement.  And I think that it’s so important that we teach people that you don’t have to be perfect for God to use you, but let it be a priority in your heart for God to really refine you so that you can carry whatever anointing God chooses to give you for the long haul it’s not something that’ll be temporary or momentary, but they’ll be a real firm foundation and it does take years to develop character.

Sid: You know Matt, just kind of a PS on what’s you’re saying in the forty’s it was called the Great Healing Revival and hundreds of men and women, it’s just the presence, they got saved, the presence of God went on them and the next day they were in a tent.  And just about all, and they accomplished good from the view point that people we healed, they accomplished good from the viewpoint people were saved, but all of them self destructed; not all but most.

Matt: Yeah.

Sid: And that is so important, why do you believe that God told you to write your new book, “Power for Life” and the four CDs “How to Pull Your Future into the Now?”

Matt: Well, I believe that God wants people, His people to live an extraordinary life in His presence.  You know God wants our lives filled with power.  Not just power to heal the sick or power you know to walk in signs and wonders, but also power to live victoriously over sin, power to have joy, power to have peace.   So I really…

Sid: Matt with the times we’re moving into you don’t have to be a prophet or a mental giant to see that unfortunately you US economy is on the downward rollercoaster roll, but if people don’t understand what God has taught you over the years even though they know the Lord I don’t think they are going to stand.

Matt: Yeah, we need to know in these days, in this time that we’re living in with everything being shaken we need to know God is our source, we need to know how to plug into His power and presence, how the sustain it and then release it through us to help other people.  And I think it’s such a vital time right now for people to really know for themselves how to do it.  You know it’s one thing to see somebody else moving in the power or moving in anointed life, but you want to know the behind the scene stuff.  How do you personally in your day to day life not just in a church meeting, but no one else is there and you have to go your secular job or you have to take care of your family or you just have to live your life, how do you it with the power of God in every area of your life.

Sid: And you do such a masterful job, you really are a God ordained teacher.

Sid: My guest Don Heist is Red Hot for the Messiah, he blows God’s instrument and there is such an anointing on this.  Don briefly tell me about one church plays you CD with the shofar blowing all the time except when they are having a service.

Don: Yeah, I received an email from a pastor that was telling me about how they received the CD back in December of 2010 and from that point on they have been playing the CD in their church sanctuary 24-7 except for when they were having service.  They just had a disk player there and it just kept playing it over and over.  Well, they did that in an effort to sanctify the sanctuary a little more and to keep demon spirits at a distance and away.  Shortly after this the pastor said that there was several people at different times came into her office and made the comment that, “I just went into the sanctuary to sit and pray and I became under the power of God and when I was able to pick myself up again from praying I was healed.”  So they were, people were being healed in this church without anyone actually laying hands on them and actually praying for them because they were praying themselves but the sanctuary of the Church was so demon free and the enemy did not want to stay around because of the constant shofar playing.

Sid: You like to say that when people are under the anointing of your shofar it’s a cancer free zone.  What do you mean by that?

Don: Well, what it does is when we sound the shofar, the molecular structure in the room and of the bodies of the people in the room actually changes once again because it is the voice of God, it is the power of God.  And by that, it changes molecular structure so that people are healed and by prayer not just the sounding of the shofar but by prayer and pulling in God’s presence and allowing to do His own, what He does best by being Our Father and Healer and Deliver but through that prayer as well as sounding the shofar people are healed.

Sid: Tell me about the woman that was stooped over her whole life.

Don: I was in a Bible study at this ladies house and at the end of the teaching I did a teaching on the shofar and history and what not and at the end of the teaching time we had a time of prayer.  And I could remember very clearly that she was wearing a fairly tight knit sweater and in the back you could see and in fact I ran my hand down her back and I actually could feel it, touch it, that several inches, around about her hip area a little higher about the small of her back it protruded out much like a letter s if you were looking at it from the side.  And we prayed for her and prayed some more and I sounded the shofar, started at that lower end of her back and as I raised the horn I could see this lump in her sweater going behind my view out of my view because it was being blocked by the shofar and as I kept raising the shofar and as her back came back into view, below where I was playing her back was straight; there was no lump.  And I just talked with her recently and she is still healed and claiming that healing and passing the word about the Messiah that has healed her.

Sid: And some amazing healings are happening Mishpochah, there was a person who came into his meeting with a built up shoe about three inches and when he left because of that anointing that changes the molecular structure he could even wear his built up shoe because his legs were perfect.  And tell me one healing of cancer briefly.

Don: We have received an email and a call from a person that’s retired from the navy and he explained to me that he had just been diagnosed with stage four prostate cancer and he was wondering if Sue and I would come over to his home and pray for him and then blow the shofar.  So we arranged a time and we did this and we were with him for a little over an hour and when we blew the shofar and prayed for him.  He said that he felt warmth of God coming over him and he was just very excited about that.  Well right after that he went to cancer centers of America in Philadelphia and when he went in to get his forty plus treatments of chemotherapy that they had prescribed for him he asked them to retest his body because he said, I’ve had people praying for me.  I’ve had people blowing the shofar over me and into my body and I just believe that God has changed things.  So they retested him and when they found out the results of all these tests his cancer was gone all but just a very tiny little speck which by now how been gone because as he said, God took it all away and what didn’t disappear the chemotherapy of one or two treatments took out of his body.

Sid: Tell me about the people that see angels, tell me one person that saw angels when you blow the shofar.

Don: Well, it was a evening of worship and I was feeling really week and down that particular night and I really struggled with even going to play.  That particular evening and we started playing and many of you know, many of you have heard the song “Lord God of Abraham” by Paul, recorded by Paul Wilbur and we started out, the worship service with that song and the first time I played I actually was embarrassed because it was not very good, I was struggling spiritually, I was struggling physically to do what God was calling me to do that night.  So at a point where I was not playing, I said, I stood on the platform and I just prayed, I looked up and I said “Lord please help me get through this I’m not prepared for this, I’m not in the right frame of mind for this, but you need to be glorified and I want to do this well but I’m not just there are the moment.”  So the next time I started playing, unbelievably I was very strong and I played very well to my own liking.  And then later at the end of the service this lady comes up to me and she says, “You know at the beginning of that song you were standing there by yourself, but after about the second time you played I saw an angel standing behind you holding a shofar and he was dressed in a turquoise gown with gold sparkles on the sides.  And every time you played shofar he played.”  And she said, “This was just amazing that her friends didn’t see the angel but they heard the angel was playing.”  So that’s what happened at that particular evening and really she just confirmed what happened with me that suddenly I felt this incredible power and strength behind my playing which I can take no claim for at all, but it was was just I prayed and I asked the Lord to help me.  He sent an angel and that angel played with me or for me and supported me through it all.  I believe people are going to hear angels playing the shofar with you as we take a selection from your CD “Take Me In.”  Let’s here “Take Me Into the Holy of Holies.”

Don Heist’s selection from “Take Me In” 8.37.5-11.19

Sid: Family with a Jewish Heart, made up of Jewish and non-Jewish people where the middle wall between Jew and Gentile it’s finally come down to form One New Man, one new species of being that will form a complete dwelling place of God by His Spirit; and devil, watch out.  It kind of reminds me of the new book by Chuck Pierce called “Time to Defeat the Devil,” and it us time to defeat the devil.  Now Chuck on yesterday’s broadcast we talked about in 2005 and this has been recorded, you had an extremely accurate prophecy that there would be a black man in the White House.  And then you had a vision of what would happen in May 20011.

Chuck: Well see Sid, the Lord showed me three years ahead from May 2008 and he showed me this like a transition period as we were making a transition in history as a nation.  But this is really what He showed me, that in May of 2011, this President, the new President which was in 2008 we really didn’t have President Obama then, would make a decree that would start dividing our nation.  And this decree would be linked around Israel and some people might even say “Well, you know we always hear about Israel, we always hear about the Middle East and we don’t see how anything can divide our nation just because President Obama says we really don’t want Israel to have its present borders to go back to 1967.”  No, that’s where we don’t understand God, the God of Israel and how God the God of Israel would look at our nation if we take a stand to try to produce that.  And so the Lord specifically said, “That would happen in May 2011.  I wrote it, I’ve shared it, I’ve shared it.

Sid: Alright, what repercussion does it have on the United States of America by that statement by President Obama?

Chuck: I think what it does is it starts a dividing process just as God plans Jew and Gentile to be one in days ahead, One New Man.  And that wall as you said yesterday to be down, that is God’s plan of fullness, when you come against that plan of fullness, now I’m talking about both spiritually and naturally; when you come against that plan of fullness Sid, what happens is you start becoming unfull yourself.  And so what happens is when you start decreeing against the plan that God has for fullness and you quit aliening yourself with His ultimate plan over His land, what will happen then with this is that all of a sudden we start seeing walls come up in this nation.  And what God showed me was there would be twenty-one states that would stand with Israel in this nation.  There would be two states that would hang in the balance; there would be one state that would produce a turning point and the other states really they would, there would be such havoc in those other states because they chose not to follow the God of Israel into the future.

Sid: Well, I for one would not want to live in a state that will not be pro-Israel because I happen to believe Genesis 12:3 is still in reality today which says, “I God will bless those who bless the Jewish people and I God will curse those that curse them.”  So could someone be in a state that’s pro-Israel, but yet the nation is, or at least the administration is anti-Semitic and still be blessed?

Chuck: Well see, I think we’re so religious from old religious structures, that sometimes we are not even aware of the decrees that are being made, we’re not aware of what’s going on around us and what will happen then is what happens is, economically you stop being blessed, and you start seeing states start going bankrupt.  And do you remember in David’s time Sid, when it took him three years before he asked, “Why are we in draught?”

Sid: Right.

Chuck: I think that’s this three years ahead.

Sid: So, do you see three years of draught for the United for the United States of America, is that what you’re saying?

Chuck: Well, this is what I’m saying because look what’s happened in May already with Joplin, MO and with Alabama and other places like this with the atmospheric tornadic condition of this nation.  This is what I am saying; I think you’re going to start seeing such a division in this nation.  Certain states will come under certain structures and it will take them three years before they really say, “What happened to us?”  And I don’t think every state; I don’t think every state will.

Sid: Okay, again, and you don’t have to be a prophet to find out what’s going to happen, all you have to do is see the position of the administration of your state to know what’s going to happen.  For instance, I am so optimistic about Canada right now because of such a healthy stance they’re taking on Israel.  I mean at the G8 they came out so strong against a Palestinian State that I believe that God is going to bless that country, have you seen anything for Canada?

Chuck: Oh, my I went with Kenny Blacksmith, he’s a native leader and matter of fact I tell you what, Canada has done two things. Canada went back and reconciled over their native issues, over the issues of the first peoples of their land.  Governmentally they made a decree to ask forgiveness and reconcile with the First peoples of their land.  That was one step and I was with Kenny Blacksmith and I began to tell him the nation.  Because see God, took me beyond the states Sid and showed me One Hundred and Fifty-three nations that would begin to rise up and move toward Israel throughout the world.  Canada was the leading nation and so I told Kenny that, we were in a meeting so we had that recorded.  We were in New York, the very upper part of New York right next to Canada, on one of the native reservations and then I went to Red Deer and I shared this very specifically, “Canada will stand with Israel, therefore you will have a healing outbreak and the sick will come from all over to be healed in Canada.

Sid: I can just picture that right now.  You know Chuck; you don’t have to be a mental giant to figure out what God’s going to do in the last days.  Tomorrow I want to talk about how you had a revelation about Israel as an eighteen year old, but before we do that, why in your heart of hearts did you write the book, the brand new book that we’re making available this week called, “Time to Defeat the Devil?”

Chuck: I felt like Sid people needed to understand the concept of timing and the times that we are living in and in it I really thought Charisma was going to call this book, “A Time to See.”  But when they started reading the book and getting ready to publish the book I write in this book about how our spirit can be vexed in the times that we’re living in; I’ve got two or three chapters on it.  Therefore they named the book, and I thought it was very bold, because you know how compromising we are in the Body of Christ.  They named the book “A Time to Defeat the Devil” because in a world that we live in and the chaos of the world we live in, your spirit can become vexed just like Lot’s spirit.  Lot, who was righteous, his spirit became vexed.  And this book is about how to protect your spirit man from being defiled by all the changes of the atmosphere that’s going on around you and make the most of the time we live in to defeat your enemy.

Sid: Some of the things that you teach on are keys to live in victory, even in tough times, which obviously we are about ready to enter into.  If you think it’s tough now, you don’t know what’s coming.  How to live in the cycles of blessings, how to stay in Devine health, how to break the power of trauma of your life and that’s what Chuck you were alluding to, how to break off bareness; how to break off a spirit of poverty, how to enter into the new season that has begun in your life; how to hear the Spirit of God.   Can you see the difference it would make in your life when you have this revelation?  And Chuck, I’m kind of in awe of the gift that God has given you; and especially the tie in with Israel and the Jewish people.  There are so many Christians today that don’t understand this distinction; they don’t have a clue about it.  For instance there are many people involved in walking in miracles and the healing movement that have not come into this revelation.  How come God’s blessing them so much if they haven’t come into this revelation?

Chuck: Well, God is God first of all and you know that and I know that and He loves His people and He will use those who respond to Him; and many of those people they just love Him, they devote their life to Him, they enter into childlike faith and they start operating in childlike faith and they start demonstrating that faith in miracles.  And I think they move forward for a season but notice something about wineskins, because Jesus talks about wineskin; what’s going to happen is eventually that wineskin that their moving in makes a shift.  It becomes more formed and you have to embrace other revelation to keep moving, I don’t think you can keep moving without understanding the covenant God has with Israel.

Sid: So you believe they will either make the shift or fossilize, is that what I’m hearing you say?

Chuck: That’s what, that it in a nutshell.

Sid: Okay, Chuck we’re running out of time right now; the thing that I love about your book; it shows how to restore everything that was lost.