Sid: I am so excited about my guest he’s been a guest before, Dr. Robert Heidler. I’m featuring his book “Set Yourself Free” it’s actually the most practical deliverance manual I’ve ever seen. If I had interviewed him 10 years ago I don’t think I could have been as excited because 5 years ago the Holy Spirit began to show him how simple deliverance is. How you can at the specific sin areas; how people can repent and how it doesn’t have to be messy, or complex. In fact, Robert I have a copy of your book right here, and I’m looking at page 84; you talk about a subject called “Spiritual Pollution.” What is Spiritual Pollution?
Robert: Well Spiritual Pollution Sid is when things come into our homes, come into our lives that have demonic powers attached to them. The Bible says there are things that can actually pollute our spiritual environment. When those things are present then we live under the oppression of the enemy just because of the presence of those things in our lives…
Sid: I’m reading in your book right now; you list them of course because most people wouldn’t even realize it that they can be objects used in pagan worship, or occult practices such as crystal balls, Ouija boards, things related to astrology, good luck charms, objects exalting or promoting evil like demonic or occultic games. People can really get into bondage with games such as Dungeons and Dragons, is that correct?
Robert: Oh definitely, definitely.
Sid: Then you list things in New Age… also I like the idea of these symptoms. If you have the book handy you might want to read from page 84.
Robert: Yes here’s some of the things that happen we experience when we have spiritual pollution. It can be continual bad dreams and nightmares, insomnia, lack of peace, a lot of fighting and arguing in the family; Children are restless, disturbed, have a lot of behavioral problems; People see ghosts or demonic apparitions in the home; there’s foul unexplained odors; there’s just a heaviness in the atmosphere that makes it hard to breath; there’s on going unexplained illness, continual headaches and nausea. Now some of the things can be caused by other things, but when you begin to see those things one of the first thing to check is to see if there is spiritual pollution in the house.
Sid: Now I read a few, but tell me a few of the things that… give me some examples of what might be spiritual pollution in the house.
Robert: Well one of the most common things is people by literally idols that have been made as objects of worship for a false god, and they buy them to decorate their homes with.
Sid: Well for instance I see a lot of these mask people pick up in Africa and they put on the wall. Those are for tourist or could they carry a demonic presence?
Robert: Oh they very often do, and it’s amazing most malls today, you walk through the malls, and their home décor shops filled with idols; Buddhas, and statues of various gods masks. People don’t realize that very often they are bringing spiritual forces into their home and it produces desolation in the home. You know Daniel talks about the abomination that produces desolations. Very often the presence of an idol or an object like that will produce spiritual desolation.
Sid: What should someone do that they say “Oh I do have that prob…” What about someone that used to be addicted to pornography and has a bunch of pornographic literature in one of their dresser drawers?
Robert: Well that’s another example, it can be objects related to past sin, We did a teaching on this at our church several; we said “We’re gonna give you opportunity to get rid spiritual pollution.” We had some friends that lived out in the country, and we had people search their homes for any spiritual pollution and we ended up with a huge huge stack of things. Made a bonfire that was about 6ft high and about 15ft across, it was amazing how many things were there. People came out of that thing “We are so free, that was wonderful to get those things out of our house.”
Sid: Now you list objects exalting, or promoting evil; includes things such as posters or CD’s with obvious demonic representations. I mean a lot of teenagers have this; books on Satanism, witchcraft, New Age, Free Masonry. Free Masonry?
Robert: Oh definitely.
Sid: Have you seen people that were set free as a result of repenting from being involved in Free Masonry?
Robert: Oh yes. In the area of the country we’re in that is very common for people to have that in their ancestry, for people to have that many many times in their own lives. They’ll be… you know when a person joins the Free Masons at every level they go into there are very specific curses that they give over themselves and over their descendants if they don’t continue in Free Masonry. So they’re literally putting curses on themselves…
Sid: Now when these curses are broken what difference could it make to a person as far as their freedom?
Robert: There are many many different kinds of things that are produced by that spiritually, and when those things are dealt with the oppression is broken. My wife is really the deliverance minister, but she’s shared with me many times of people that go through the specific steps that were taken and renouncing each step.
Sid: Now when you say there were curses, what kind of curses are in Free Masonry?
Robert: Oh there are some dreadful things about, [Laughing] there are some I would not want to repeat on the air, but literal ways of torture and destruction being brought into someone. When those things are dealt with it literally is the breaking of a curse, then people that were living under a curse are set free.
Sid: Now you were talking earlier this week about a woman by the name of Connie. Take me step by step in her deliverance.
Robert: I think hers is one of the clearest that I’ve ever seen, and it was also one of the most traumatic. As I said she was a strong Christian, she loved the Lord, she served the Lord, she was a wife and a mother, she was involved in ministry, but she had a debilitating problem. The problem was literally for a space of about 2 years everyday she had debilitating headaches. They would usually come on in the afternoon, she would have to go and lay down for 2 or 3 hours, literally could not do anything because of the severity of these headaches. She had been to doctor, after doctor, after doctor no one could find a cause, no medicines would work. So finally she came and said “Do you think this could have a spiritual solution?” We began to talk, and the first thing I wanted to see was what was the cause, was there something at the root of this that gave Satan an opportunity. I said “Do you remember when the headaches began?” She said “I remember exactly the day they began.” She said “Our family was going through a time there was a lot tension, we were very busy, it was very stressful, and my husband’s employer was putting some very unreasonable demands on his time. There was one day when his employer called and gave him an assignment that was so unreasonable in its demands.” She said “I just lost my temper, I got furious with that man.” She said “That day the headaches began.” I said “Well you know an outburst of anger like that is sin. That is something that gives the enemy an opportunity to come in and find a place.” I said “Have you ever forgiven your husband’s boss for what he did?” She said “No I never have.” I said “Would you be willing to pray right now and forgive him?” We talked for a few minutes and finally she said “Yes I would be willing to pray and forgive him.” So I led her in a very simple prayer, very specifically forgiving that man and releasing her anger. With that done I then took authority over that spirit of infirmity, I bound it I broke its power, and I commanded it cease and to leave her alone. The whole process did not take more than 20 minutes. That was, as I said about 5 or 6 years ago, and I ran into her last year, I see her from time to time. Every time I see her I say “Anymore headaches?” and she says “I have not had one headache since the day that we prayed.”
Sid: Why is it that so many Christians are afraid of deliverance?
Robert: Their afraid of deliverance partly I think because it deals with something they don’t understand. The idea of a demon sounds very frightening, something that’s very intimidating. Yet we look at the ministry of Yeshua and He cast out demons everywhere He went. It was one of the most common things He did. The other thing is because of the model of deliverance people have seen, and people are afraid if they get deliverance their gonna have to talk in strange voices and curse and roll around on the floor, be embarrassed, it’s a very intimidating thing. It amazes me how many people are willing to come for deliverance with the fear they have of what might happen to them. Yet what we’ve seen people don’t have to go through any of that, we don’t usually talk to demons, we don’t usually let demons manifest. A person can sit in their living room and go through this book.
Sid: You know that’s the most amazing thing you don’t have to find an expert like Dr. Robert Heidler.
